During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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to the Seer
Yea for the Seer.
The wifi here sucks
Yes to the Seer I've been interested in that webcomic, is it any good?
Also I found this on Goblins in Dellyn Goblinslayer's folder.
- Lack of Empathy: Despite being Brassmoon City's defender he doesn't actually care if his actions lead to the death of any of the citizens, only about how heroic he can make himself look once the dust has settled. The only other character he's shown to have any feelings for is Saral Caine, when he weeps over his corpse.
- Pet the Dog: He is visibly grief-stricken when he sees Saral Caine's decapitated corpse. Normally that wouldn't be so much of a Pet the Dog moment except it's the only humanizing moment he has in the whole story.
Edited by papyru30 on Jun 2nd 2020 at 11:50:32 AM
Hope your prepared for an unforgettable luncheon
Are we sure we're not putting undue emphasis on the stories, to the detriment of considerations about the candidates themselves? Because I remember a couple of... heated discussions about whether a particular story "should" have a CM, and this recent development kinda feels like an extension of that mentality. We're all aware that a character qualifying as a CM is not a badge of honor, and by the same logic, I don't think it's something a story has to be "worthy" of.
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Those are concerning, but I haven't read Goblins.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 3rd 2020 at 12:03:41 PM
Nyarlatothep, the Seer, Culp.
I made one change to Captain Swings write-up on the Discworld draft page to reflect he outright killed the torturer, it wasn't something Vimes interrupts. That's all I did, I promise!
Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
Lizzid people!
Writing a story just to have a CM in it is wrong. Some movies, books, or whatever have one or a few, others don't.
Overall, I don't see what the issue is here. It kind of sounds like a Single-Issue Wonk case here.
Seer
Edited by AustinDR on Jun 3rd 2020 at 12:16:14 PM
Goku Black
seer
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Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Howdy everyone. So it is my birthday, and to celebrate, I have a new EP from a game I beat.
What's the work?
Iconoclasts is a Metroidvania game that is somewhat reminiscent of Cave Story. It stars Robin, a silent mechanic who works with Ivory, the energy substance that powers just about everything in the world. Unfortunately, Robin is illegally doing work as all jobs are chosen by the One Concern, a hybrid MegaCorp and The Theocracy that has monopolized Ivory mining. She becomes an outcast and her family becomes targeted by the Concern, so Robin teams up with friends to stop the Concern.
Our candidates today are the two people who run the Concern.
Who are Mother and Emmet Darland? What have they done?
The person known only as Mother is the local Crystal Dragon Jesus, the messiah of the Tri religion that the Concern is built around, the one chosen by the Starworm (the deity), and the Big Bad for most of the game, while Darland is the leader of the Bastion Suits, the administrators who help Mother run the Concern.
Long ago, Father was the original founder of the Concern. He and later Mother both used machines that would infuse them with Ivory blood, which they called Transendence. Because their bodies mixed perfectly with the Ivory, they became worshipped as chosen by the Starworm.
So some time after, Mother becomes the new Medium, ruling the Bastion in City One. She and Darland use the Concern to mine Ivory from the planet and use it to make them rich and powerful, eventually turning the Concern into The Empire that rules the world. But a dark secret was hidden...
See, the planet in question that the game is set on is artificial and was used as an intergalactic depot of sorts, but this was stopped. The Starworm is, as it turns out, not a divine entity at all, but a ship piloted by a birdman alien. The Ivory in the planet is what keeps it healthy and running. But the Concern’s abuse of Ivory has sapped the planet nearly dry. If something is not done, the Starworm will awaken and destroy the planet.
The two, rather than stop their activities, become dictators. Using the Tri religion to brainwash people, they begin using the Transcendence machines on people, conducting horrific experiments to infuse the subjects's blood with Ivory. Agent Black, one of the survivors of this procedure, describes it as feeling like your whole body is on fire. Those who survive often lose limbs and need mechanical replacements, as well as become mentally unstable- Agent Black herself explains that she has been left with eternal cluster headaches as a result. And that's the survivors- many people do not even survive the experiments, and at one point Robin has to go down a room to get a key- said room is flooded with the melted corpses and bones of those who died in the experiments.
Once they have built up an army, they begin instituting laws preventing the mining and harvesting of Ivory by anyone but the Concern. Anyone who disobeys these laws is scheduled for Penance- their term for an execution ritual where the heretic is locked in their house as a Controller, a robot the Concern built, bulldozes the house with them inside it. We see Elro's wife and daughter fall victim to this, and while Elro himself survives, the experience leaves him shaken. Houses that have been Penanced can also be seen throughout some areas, establishing a pattern.
The Concern's main rivals are the Isi, a competing religion that also mines Ivory. While the Concern could simply stop mining Ivory and save the planet just like that, but they have become so consumed by their desire to surpass and destroy the Isi that they decide to monopolize Ivory instead. They repeatedly launch assaults on the Isi and label them pirates, which the Isi consider a slur. The Concern also goes after ChemiCo Contra, a group that wants to find a non-Ivory source of fuel, and brands them criminals to stop them from affecting their monopoly.
Around the halfway point, it is discovered that Mother and Darland had secretly constructed a Tower to host children who would be kept in isolation from the world and brainwashed into loving Mother. When one of the pupils tries to escape, Darland has him captured and uses a prototype gun to Mind Rape him and force him to commit suicide by jumping in front of the other kids, and frames the whole thing as a sick theatre show.
Mother, meanwhile, has her own personal moment of cruelty with Royal, her adopted son. As like her, he went through Transcendence and fused perfectly, without any physical or mental issues, Mother names Royal as her successor, giving him high prestige in the Concern... or so he thinks, but everyone just treats him as an annoyance. Mother herself turns out to be keeping him in the dark about many of the Concern activities. Eventually, Royal accidentally awakens the Starworm and hastens the destruction of the planet and goes with Robin and co to see Mother, hoping she will understand. Instead, she declares him a sinner and has him imprisoned in a room full of Ivory-nullifying dust. When he returns with Robin, she initially tries to come across as a motherly and reasonable woman, but quickly loses her patience when he starts blabbing secrets in front of everyone. So Mother finally declares that he is not her son, basically tells him she hates him, and tries to kill him along with the others heroes.
Their final display of cruelty comes in the form of their ultimate plan- rather than take the time to placate the Starworm, stop harvesting Ivory, and save the planet, Mother, Darland, and several other elites plotted to build a rocket and escape with only Mother and her most trusted followers, abandoning everyone else to die.When General Chrome of the One Concern forces discovers this and reveals this plot to everyone, the two have him marked for death as a traitor. Though when Mother is beaten, Chrome throws it back in her face by giving her a "The Reason You Suck" Speech outlining what a terrible person she is.
Ultimately, Mother is killed, and Darland runs away to who-knows-where, alive but powerless as the Concern is put under new leadership.
Heinousness?
Set the standard as the people running One Concern. Mother is the leader, and while the Bastion Suits as a whole administrate the organization, Darland is more-or-less their leader, even if unofficially, as he has the most screentime and tends to take charge when the others are around. Neither of them appear that much or do much themselves, instead preferring to leave it to their minions, but everything people like Agent Black (who carries out the Penances) and the scientists do is on their orders. Also, Darland has personal murder of a child and Mother has child abuse and attempted child murder, so there is that.
As for the others, Agent Black comes closest as The Heavy, but she is a Tragic Villain who, again, is acting on their orders. Same for Chrome until he betrays them, but even then he never reaches the same levels of depravity. As for the Starworm and its pilot, he does not even seem to be aware that he is a threat to the planet and is not actively cruel like Mother and Darland.
Mitigating Qualities?
In this cutscene, Mother at first seems to be a nice lady who loves her subjects and even angrily tells Royal that he has doomed humanity and that “we had a hope...”, which seems to suggest she cares about people. She follows it up by saying that “I will go to that rocket”, and “I will not be torn asunder by His wrath”, basically showing that she's pretending to care for the crowd but really just wants to save herself. And Chrome tells her that “you were going to leave us all, bringing only those that only know how to bend a knee.” In short, Mother is a narcissist who from the beginning planned to save only those who would worship her and leave all others to die.
Darland does not even have that- he is characterized as a Corrupt Corporate Executive from beginning to end.
Verdict?
Yes. Happy birthday to me.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Goku Black
mother and darland.
Happy birthday.
Edited by miraculous on Jun 3rd 2020 at 2:21:39 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Yes to the Seer, Mother, and Darland. Happy birthday, N.
Deleted these two unapproved entries:
- On the Edge of Eureka:
- It's hard to find anything redeemable about Alestra, even considering her backstory.
- Om Shanti Om:
- Mukesh Mehra is perhaps one of the most cruel villains in Bollywood history. An ambitious producer who is secretly married to top actress Shantipriya, he forces her to keep the marriage a secret for the sake of his career. When she reveals her pregnancy to him, he lures her to the set of their upcoming film one night, promising to reveal their marriage to the public. However, he quickly reveals this to be a ruse and shows his true colours to Shanti, reasoning that their marriage and child will ruin his rising career. With that, he subsequently sets the film set on fire before trapping a horrified and distressed Shanti within it. Furthermore, he even has his henchmen ensure she doesn't escape, resulting in them beating down Om Prakash when he attempts to save her. And 30 years later, he is shown to have no remorse over killing her, even taunting Om Kapoor as he attempts to try and avenge Shanti's death.
Edited by falcontalons on Jun 3rd 2020 at 5:29:18 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Happy b-day. Yes to those 2.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Showtime!
to the seer, mother, and darland
to Mother and Darland. Happy birthday N.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So tomorrow I'll request locking Kim Newman, and, besides the D&D stuff, submit this: Crossovers with G.I. Joe
- Transformers/G.I. Joe, written by John Ney Rieber: Cobra Commander continues to prove himself capable of being an irredeemable psychopath when it comes to adaptations of his original iteration. With Cobra serving as a stand-in for the Nazi Party, Commander runs his empire with the same cruel egomania that the Nazis were known for. After discovering the Decepticons hidden in an ancient monastery whose inhabitants he has just had slaughtered, Commander forcefully takes control of the Decepticons and forces them to lay waste to numerous countries across Europe, including Berlin and Rome. Any survivors of these massacres, including the children, are forced into slave camps, and, later, used as human shields against the Commander's enemies. After forcing a Decepticon to exhaust all his energy in wantonly laying waste to enemies and allies alike, the Commander reveals his plan to use the Decepticons to institute a new world order under his rule where only the strong will survive and serve under his thumb. Cobra Commander is a megalomaniac whose status as a stand-in for the Nazi leadership makes him one of the most realistic, and wicked, baddies throughout the G.I. Joe franchise.
- G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers (Devil's Due Publishing series):
- G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II, written by Dan Jolley: Shockwave is a coldly ruthless Decepticon who assumed control of Cybertron after the disappearances of Optimus Prime and Megatron, and now rules it with an iron fist, crushing any rebellion against him. Scheming to invade Earth, Shockwave successfully turns the planet into a warzone, killing billions of humans and keeping countless more as slave labor who he routinely executes by the dozen when they fall behind in their workloads. When the past is altered and Earth is saved from this invasion, Shockwave instead attempts to bring about a time fracture upon Earth, bathing the planet in nuclear fire for decades and wiping out all life on the planet so he can then gut the planet of its resources, and planning to keep human survivors as experiments for him to vivisect.
- Black Horizon, written by Tim Seeley:
- Unicron is the Chaos Bringer, a planet-sized Transformer that devours entire planets and keeps thousands of survivors as tortured, mind-altered slaves inside his body until they die and he replaces them with new victims. Having devoured countless planets over millennia, Unicron struck a deal with Cobra-La on Earth that he would spare the planet for a few centuries until there were billions of humans populating it, at which point Unicron would return and consume them all, leaving the barren husk for Cobra-La to rule. When the G.I. Joes and Transformers try to stop Unicron as he causes natural disasters worldwide and kills countless people, Unicron sics his "antibodies" on them, gleefully boasting his plans to slowly eat them all alive in the same fell swoop that he consumes Earth.
- Golobulus is Unicron's agent on Earth, ruling over Cobra-La and using his forces to scheme for Unicron's return. Capturing and twisting several Transformers into his monstrous slaves, Golobulus uses them to slaughter anyone who tries to uncover his plans, and even takes humans captive to be kept as tortured pets. Threatening and abusing his own people should they fail him, Golobulus, believing humanity to be a blight upon the Earth, summons Unicron to Earth to wipe out the entire race so that himself and Cobra-La can reign over the planet, and tries to brutally kill the G.I. Joe soldier Firewall as a "sacrifice" to Unicron in celebration of the genocide of humanity.
- G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II
Edited by ACW on Jun 3rd 2020 at 8:49:39 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
As much as it sucks, I'd say to cut Dellyn there. And yes there, N
And Imperial, what do you want from this exactly? Who are we cutting that should be allowed to stay here?
Edited by Lightysnake on Jun 3rd 2020 at 6:21:30 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I was waiting for Lighty; I'll vote to cut Dellyn too. So I've done the Joe and Transformers stuff, and tomorrow:
Cut Goblins from Web Comics and Cinquante Nuances de Rouge from Web Original.
Lock Kim Newman.
Replace the appropriate sections at Dungeons & Dragons with these:
Multiple Settings
- Orcus, Prince of the Undead, is a demon prince who became a god. With horrific, blasphemous rites, even by the standards of evil gods, Orcus seeks to convert all that lives to his undead slaves. Constantly attempting to wipe out living regions, Orcus later achieved godhood and expanded his influence, before being murdered by another god. Returning as Tenebrous in Dead Gods, Orcus went on a god-killing spree before inspiring massive catastrophes across the planes. Seeking to punish life itself for his death, Orcus wiped out a world with a plague and kept the souls in tortured anguish, intending on massacring the City of Sigil and converting its inhabitants into an undead army to steadily exterminate all life in the multiverse. Returning to his demonic status, Orcus continuously seeks his lost godhood, even rerouting souls from his nemesis the Raven Queen to him so he may twist them into his own slaves. Seeking to usurp the Raven Queen's divinity, Orcus's ultimate goal is to enslave and convert every soul until he remains the only deity, with all life ceasing to exist save as his mutilated hordes of undead.
- Doresain is the most favored exarch of Orcus and one of his most ghastly followers. A tyrant who rules over a bony wasteland known as the Kingdom of the Ghouls, Doresain brings in droves of innocents from all over the multiverse and the City of Doors itself, pulling them in through portals to either dump them into feeding pits full of ravenous ghouls or become the subject of exquisite and gory feasts. Doresain enslaves his most prized followers to eternal hunger to ensure their loyalty, presiding over all manners of atrocities in the Kingdom—-from savage torture, to designing clothes of Genuine Human Hide, to performing plays for an audience of butchered corpses in the Theatre Of The Fleshless-—all in preparation for Doresain to bring up a horrible Primordial and exterminate all existence with it, enslaving the souls of all life in tortured undeath to Orcus.
- Vlaakith CLVII, debuting in Planescape, really makes her mark in "The Lich Queen's Beloved". Ruler of the Githyanki, Vlaakith is a powerful undead tyrant out to become a god. To prevent any challenges to her rule, Vlaakith takes those with potential and devours their souls, turning them into powerful undead monsters under her control, doing the same to those who anger her and imprisoning countless others in living agony within the walls of her fortress Susurru, the "Palace of Whispers". Vlaakith painfully experiments upon her captives, also intending to wipe out the Githzerai race, and has many sentients abducted and kept in living agony or fed to her half-dragon creations, with one Illithid prisoner frozen under a spell of eternal agony. Should she succeed, Vlaakith kills half her capital city in her ascension and intends on leading the Githyanki on bloody crusades through the cosmos.
- The Apocalypse Stone: Prince Garloth Pescheour is passed over to succeed the noble Pescheour family for his noble brother Alain due to his own personal selfishness and cruelty. Garloth later returns, driving Alain into a gibbering, crazed wreck, before turning everyone in the castle into horrible monsters, erasing their identities. To obtain the family treasure, the Stone of Corbinet, the linchpin of the world itself, Garloth hires adventurers to kill the monsters, without informing them of said monsters being innocent people Garloth had mutated. Upon realizing the theft of the stone has led to a dawning apocalypse, with demons and devils running rampant and everyone on the world about to die, Garloth decides to simply flee for a new world and to not return the stone to save the current one. A man of unbelievable pettiness and selfishness, Garloth decides if he cannot be king, then the entire world can burn for all he cares.
- Assault on Nightwyrm Fortress: Urishtar Nightwyrm is a shadow dragon that happened upon the fortress of the title during her exploration of the Shadowfell by the design of a being she suspects is plotting against the Raven Queen. In order to empower herself and the fortress itself, Urishtar diverts the path of souls in the Shadowfell to instead lure them into her clutches, whereupon Urishtar consumes or twists them for her own purposes. Urishtar hands off any problems—defined as anything from "denying Urishtar" to "failing to try harder"—to her sadistic Torture Technician Kailash, a rakshasa brutal even by the infamous standards of his kind. In her cruelest touch, Urishtar fertilizes her own eggs with captured souls, leaving the resultant hatchlings as stillborn abominations neither living or dead. Urishtar has seen herself displacing the Raven Queen itself and works endlessly toward this, no matter how many souls she has to rip from the cycle of life and death.
- The Bastion Of Broken Souls: In this 3.0 adventure, Ashardalon is an incredibly ancient, powerful and wicked red dragon. Already a cruel and rapacious creature in his own right, after having been mortally injured by a powerful druidess who didn't live long enough to celebrate the deed, he managed to sustain himself by substituting his own failing heart with a denizen of the Abyss, a Balor. The demon was not enthusiastic about this, and Ashardalon had to search for another way to extend his lifespan. He discovered an Eldritch Location deep inside the Plane of Positive Energy where the souls of every living creature are born and reside before getting a body. There, he settled down with a few of his servants and began devouring pre-incarnated souls in order to live forever. This act causes countless beings across the universe to be born without a soul, horribly alive and at the same time utterly dead. If the PCs call the dragon out on his crimes, his answer is that he doesn't care, as long as he gets to enjoy eternity as the self-styled "ultimate predator".
- Elder Evils:
- Kyuss, The Worm That Walks, was an Evil Sorcerer who wished to become divine. Having all his followers murdered and killing his own priests to make a flayed robe of their skins, Kyuss became a monster neither god nor man. Imprisoned, Kyuss created countless monstrous spawn to kill innocents and work to free him, often twisting his worshippers into abominations. While his minions slaughter freely, Kyuss attempts to have himself freed by leveling entire cities or annihilating all existence if need be, caring for nothing save his own power.
- Edwin Tolstoff is Kyuss's right-hand man. An Evil Sorcerer who once murdered his fellows, Edwin was imprisoned by his daughter, but twisted his grandchildren to Kyuss's worship and had them murder their mother to free him. Causing more death when freed, Edwin steals the Sphere of Annihilation to use it to free Kyuss, not caring that this will suck in all of existence and create the utter annihilation of all that exists.
- Monstrous Arcana: The Sea Devils trilogy (Evil Tide, Night of the Shark, Sea of Blood), by Bruce R. Cordell: Baron K'thstraam is a sahuagin war leader who throws in with the Deep Mother to destroy the world. Allowing the Deep Mother to enthrall his own kind, K'thstraam leads raids that devastate Angler Island, killing many and dragging others back to serve as food for the sahuagin, with others taken as slaves or sent to be subjected to ghastly experiments by a collaborating priestess. K'thstraam takes others and has them slowly devoured by sahuagin, intending on sacrificing captives with the Deep Mother to revive her god and drown the world.
- Tomb of Horrors: Acererak is a cambion demilich who founds cults, so he may manipulate their members into being his shield, resulting in their deaths when convenient. Creating the titular tomb of horrors to entrap adventurers, kill them horribly and drain their souls for his dark purposes, Acererak crafted even more tombs, in some cases wiping out entire cities or civilizations to do so while experimenting on countless innocents to create undead monsters, while also crafting a device to drain the souls of the dead to eventually create a new god to unleash to destroy as many innocents as possible. After his supposed defeat, Acererak returns to seek godhood by draining the essence of dead gods. Killing countless people via undead attacks, Acererak even orders a mass suicide of his followers to empower his abilities, intending on becoming a being strong enough to challenge the gods themselves and rise to force every living thing in the multiverse to suffer.
Other Settings
- Raesene was once the illegitimate son of the King of Andu. Slowly succumbing to a hunger for power and the growing rage inside him, Raesene joined the dark god Azrai and massacred his own people. Becoming the Gorgon upon absorbing some of Azrai's essence, he carved out the kingdom the Gorgon's Crown where he focuses on brutal conquest, harvesting bloodlines to kill their users and take them via Bloodtheft. Desiring to take the entire world for his own, the Gorgon brutally exterminates entire kingdoms that resist him.
- Rhuobhe loathed how humans once mistreated elven forests and became a notorious hunter of them, earning the name Manslayer for his savage zeal. Joining Azrai to exterminate humankind, Rhuobhe was the only elf who didn't desert him when it became clear what a monster Azrai was. Establishing his own nation, Rhuobhe seeks to kill humans, even helping to manipulate wars to trick them into killing one another. Rhuobhe even declares once he has killed every human man, woman and child, he will move on to goblins as well, even willing to torture and kill any elves who disagree with his genocidal mania, openly stating that he would see every elf dead if it meant humankind's extermination.
- Mordain the Fleshweaver, once a normal elf mage named Mordain d'Phiarlan and member of the Twelve, delved into forbidden magic and perfected the art of fleshcrafting. Practicing it upon innumerable living beings to agonizingly turn them into horrific new forms of life, Mordain was said to prey on children and adults alike in his quest for new knowledge. Finding a new home in his own "Forest of Flesh", Mordain continues to experiment upon those he can, and is just as likely to release a plague to examine the results or to unleash other monsters on people, driven by an insatiable form of malignant curiosity.
- "The Chimes of Midnight", "Quoth the Raven", "Hell's Heart": Genius Inquisitive Viktor/Victor Saint-Demain has his massive ego bruised by Baron D'Medani and plots a gruesome revenge, recruiting serial killers to commit murder all over Sharn with intention of wiping out the Baron, his House and to drop D'Medani's beloved daughter Zelina to her death. Foiled and placed in a sanitarium, Viktor manipulates a troubled man into becoming a serial killer who kidnaps and tortures his victims to death, with the intent of sending the heroes to die against him after creating a large body count. Locked away in the asylum of Hell's Heart, Viktor uses his manipulative brilliance to take over, allowing the insane doctor in charge to torture other inmates, before recruiting more serial killers. Having the D'Medanis captured, Viktor tries to have them killed, intending on framing the heroes for poisoning Sharn's water supply to kill thousands upon thousands of innocents, releasing his killers on the population and "clearing" his name to take advantage of the horrible chaos.
Ghostwalk
- Durgerth The Conqueror was a brutal barbarian warlord who converged upon Manifest, seeking to bring the god Aluvan under his heel. Massacring countless innocents and obliterating villages in his path, Durgerth intended to conquer death in Manifest. After conquering the city and learning his quest was in vain, Durgerth had Manifest massacred and burned, slaughtering elves around and destroying their sacred spirit trees which contain the souls of other elves before attempting to resume his conquests.
- Xaphan came to Inuitea in the service of the wicked god Orcus. Having every living thing killed and raised as undead monsters, Xaphan began the Lich Wars upon leaving Inuitea, attempting to invade all other nations to kill all that lived there. Raising every soul that fell to join his forces, Xaphan led a campaign of death scarcely seen by the world of Ghostwalk.
- Stri'sn, from The Devil's Cellar adventure, is a Yuan-Ti who serves the god of undeath, Orcus. In a scheme to assassinate a leader of Manifest, Stri'sn assists in brainwashing and murder with the goal of eventually wiping out Manifest. Known for her penchant for torture, Stri'sn takes many innocents and tortures them physically and psychologically for weeks, sacrificing some to Orcus while spending almost all her time torturing the rest in order to enjoy herself.
- Iuz The Evil is the cambion child of the demon lord Graz'zt and the human witch Iggwilv. In his early career, Iuz rallied an army and launched a series of brutal campaigns that gave him the name "Lord Of Pain"; a name also earned by the atrocities he committed on innocents. Eventually, Iuz gathered powerful sorcerers and drained them of life to add their powers to his in a path to godhood. Eventually becoming a demigod, Iuz ended up feared by all those who knew him, with no care towards either of his parents or any in his way. He eventually resorted to murdering his formerly loyal servants and replacing them with Fiends solely for convenience and power.
- Vecna, the God of Secrets and Lichdom, is a once-human wizard who became the most feared of liches. One of the most monstrous villains to ever emerge from Oerth, Vecna's evil deeds have filled volumes, having conducted murders, massacres and in one instance at the city of Fleeth shortly after becoming a lich. When Vecna was unsatisfied with how the city's officials begged for mercy, Vecna had everyone in the city tortured and massacred before sparing said officials just to let them live with the agony. Vecna has attempted to kill all living things to revive them in a kingdom of undeath, before becoming a god himself. In the adventure Die, Vecna, Die, his most audacious act was attempting to consume all reality and kill everyone who existed, solely to remake it with himself as the supreme god. One of the most recognizable and monstrous villains in all of Dungeons and Dragons, Vecna is never satisfied no matter how high he climbs, and will never stop trying for more power regardless of the countless innocent beings who suffer and die for it.
- The wicked god Izrador fell to Aryth long ago. Rising anew, Izrador launched brutal campaigns to take over the lands before resorting to more subtle means. Achieving victory, Izrador runs a nightmarishly despotic regime, with slavery, sacrifice, and more, all while seeking genocide on the remaining elves and dwarves. Draining the land of magic with mirrors that require Human Sacrifice, Izrador enslaves the souls of his victims and converts them to hideous undead monstrosities known as the Fell. Even his own elites fare no better, as one of his vaunted Night Kings was once a hero tortured and broken by Izrador into a corrupt shell of himself. Seeking to drain all of Aryth's magic, Izrador's ultimate plan is to return to the heavens and take over, overthrowing the gods of light and extending his evil reign across the cosmos.
- Baron Ludwig von Hendriks is an insane aristocrat who rules the Barony of the Black Eagle. Von Hendriks has raids conducted where innocent halflings are often taken and enslaved, and is most infamous for the tortures he inflicts. In the Black Eagle Barony, being accused of a crime gets one put before his court. The problem is von Hendriks only cares how loud the victims can scream and devises nasty tortures that he's used on countless innocents.
- Bargle the Infamous, the Baron's former right hand man, is just as evil. As the Black Eagle Barony's number two, Bargle enforced its brutal reign of terror, and deserted it when it fell. Bargle had used many innocents and captives in twisted experiments. He later participated in destroying the flying city of the gnomes and captured a well-known cleric to father his child on her, after presenting her with the tortured corpse of her husband.
- Ghul, the Half-God, pretended to be the half-demon son of the previous Big Bad to establish a base of power he called Goth Gulgamel in the great spire. Taking the name the Skull King, Ghul conducted horrible experiments to create and breed an army, while sacrificing children to desecrate his temples, imprisoning the souls of unborn babies as well to experiment on and trap eternally. Unleashing his armies, the Shrieking Hordes, in the Ghulwar to raze entire lands and murder countless innocents, Ghul held a special hatred for elves, many of whom were tortured to death in his dungeons. Some were twisted and turned into darker beings known as Harrow Elves, whom Ghul spared solely for the dark joy of seeing the devastation their new lives gave them. Upon being pushed back, Ghul later unleashed a brutal winter to freeze and starve many innocents to death, being remembered, for good reason, as one of the worst villains in the history of the world.
- Mormo is the titan of poison, snakes, and evil witches and hags. In perhaps her most significant act, when Gormoth—another titan who was technically her brother—created the viren—the first sentient race to be created by the Titans—she felt jealous of his creation and poisoned him with a species of parasitic worms so she could steal his creation, said worm infestation leaving Gormoth completely helpless and in agony for centuries as he writhed beneath the ground. Even when he finally recovered he was both permanently disfigured and Driven to Madness, and thus went around trying to warp countless other creatures into monsters. Additionally, Mormo was responsible for creating numerous Always Chaotic Evil races, including most species of hag; and frequently required Human Sacrifice, usually by throwing people into pits full of snakes or poisoning them to death. She was also extremely petty and cruel even to her own loyal followers. In one case, when a powerful hag spellcaster invented a spell to create an entirely new race of creatures, a jealous Mormo cursed the hag by turning her into a Darkwomb. Mormo even tortured her own child Chardun endlessly until he became the God of Evil she desired.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
@Imperial
I agree on the discussion(albeit with slightly different reasoning, or at least wording) but I think it's best to leave it be for now.
Things are really about to get Fun around here
@ N, Yes there and happy birthday buddy!
@ Papyru, Crying over the corpse of his friend? Yeaaaaaah, idk how we can read that as a non-DQ. No clue what the story is as to how he's been up for so long but I really don't care, just gonna call for a cut.
@ Imperial & Kylo, Like Lighty, I'd like specific examples and reasoning here. I think the purge we just did was completely justified and in many cases covered stuff that shouldn't have been allowed up in the first place. I've got a few guesses as to which you're referring to but I'd rather minimize the scope of this topic so I'll let you list out the ones that bother you.
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Funnily, this is the second CM for Goblins that's been cut. We also had Kore, but he had some issues (I wanna say agency issues? Not sure though).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I could have sworn the thing with Dellyn Goblinslayer was brought up multiple times before and rejected as a redeeming quality. Not sure why (it sounds legit to me), but I definitely think I remember this.
Oh shit, right here. Mind you, this was six years ago, Lighty just vouched for a cut, people's minds can change and imo this one sounds pretty damning.
Edited by 43110 on Jun 3rd 2020 at 10:12:57 AM
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Oh, Happy b day N and to those guys!
And I'm....I'll list my thoughts in 2 or 3 days hopefully, I'm trying to avoid any sort of drama and the like ATM for personal reasons.
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Yes to the Seer.