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Note: This thread was proposed by @MissConduct.

Daylight Horror is a very broad concept. "Scary things happen during the day or under bright lights" is teetering dangerously close to People Sit in Chairs. I'm sure there's a valid trope in there somewhere, but it's certainly not being used for it most of the time.

I also see it being misused in a way that Adult Fear used to be misused, as a very subjective Nightmare Fuel bullet on the objective Main. I've seen examples that are better fit for subtropes like Axes at School or They Look Just Like Everyone Else!, because these tropes often happen during the day, the fact that they're under Daylight Horror and not their main tropes makes me think that they're trying to subtly sneak an "And That's Terrifying" into the example, if they aren't just straight up using sensationalized language like "horrifying" in the example.

Wick Check says...

  • 9/50: The terror in the daylight is used for Mood Dissonance, or is juxtaposed with things that happen in the dark, or is a plot point, like some monsters can only attack during the day (by the current really loose definition I think all of these are technically valid examples, but these have the most meat on their bones).
  • 20/50: Scary stuff just so happens to happen during the daytime. Examples like these lead me to think the trope either isn't tropeworthy or is being used for Nightmare Fuel on Main, there's a lot of "The monster attacks during the day".
  • 20/50: Straight up ZCE's. A lot of these don't even mention what's supposed to be scary, they just say "this game takes place during the daytime", as if, without context, we know that it's scary.
  • 1/50: Miscellaneous misuse (it was on SpecialEffectFailure.Doctor Who and it implied the garish lighting of '80's era Who made it less scary.)

My suggestions would be either...

Wick check:

The true Daylight Horror is the quality of these wicks...

Why?: Nothing's scarier than ZCE's! The trope tends to be used for "anything scary that happens when it's not dark", which is probably Chairs; I'm going to argue towards redefining the trope as "horror where the bright setting is called attention to or is a plot point a la Midsommar", or possibly redefine as a subgenre of Horror instead of a trope. It's reminding me a bit of Adult Fear as well - people just straight up saying "this is scary" as if to sneak a Nightmare Fuel example onto Main.

Potholes to Daylight Horror have been Bolded.

Needs 50 wicks. 50/50 Complete.

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     Horror is juxtaposed with the sunny setting as deliberate Mood Dissonance or is a plot point, aren't ZCE's (9/50) 
  • Recap.Buffy The Vampire Slayer S 6 E 19 Seeing Red: Spike's rape attempt [of Buffy] occurs in a brightly-lit bathroom, in deliberate contrast to their rough but mutually-agreed sex in crypts, catwalks and dark alleys. The scene is being deliberately compared and contrasted with positive things happening in the dark.

  • ContrastingSequelAntagonist.Live Action Films: The Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park III, in contrast to the Tyrannosaurs that were antagonizing the heroes based on territorial reasons and end up being Accidental Heroes, Spinosaurus hunts the main cast out of revenge after being wounded. The Tyrannosaurs in both Jurassic Park and The Lost World are first encountered in the rain, while the first appearance of the Spinosaurus is Daylight Horror and its final confrontation is in the rain.
  • Doom (2016): Unlike in Doom³ where you faced demons and zombies in darkened rooms this installment is back to facing them in brightly lit areas so that you can see your opponents in all their horrific glory.

  • JusticeLeague.Tropes A To L: Director's commentary of the episode "A Better World" said that, for them, it was far creepier when we see Alternative Universe Gotham entirely by daylight, which added to the dystopian feel that the universe's Justice League had created. In addition, the episode in question sets all events in the Justice Lord universe in the daylight and all in the Justice League at night. Trope was Invoked.

  • The Missing: J.J. Macfield and the Island of Memories: The Old Holy Town chapter is the only one in the game set during full daytime (the rest of the game takes place either vaguely at night or with a heavily overcast sky), and is the setting of the second Hairshrieker chase.

  • Otter Island: Darkness Equals Death: The creepy stuff actually starts happening during the day, although it's more subtle at first and not overtly threatening. It's not until night falls that the horror kicks into high gear and the characters really start to grasp that they're in danger; it's also only at this point the player character runs into situations where they can be killed.

  • Snarled: In "The Noonwraith", Ola and Sophie go out into a field on a sweltering day. Sophie ends up dead at the hands of the titular spirit, and Ola only escapes thanks to her little brother's intervention. It makes sense given that the Noonwraith (also known as "Lady Afternoon") is the personification of heatstroke. The horror is meant to be allegorical for something that can only kill during daylight.

  • Train to Busan: The zombie apocalypse begins to run wild early in the morning, and the rest of the movie happens in broad daylight, save for when the train passes through tunnels. In fact, the zombies actually have to hunt in daytime; while they can still follow sounds, they're severely hamstrung if they can't see their prey. However, this is moot if said prey are screaming for their lives in a dark tunnel. The broad daylight is a plot point.

  • Wings of Fire: Turtle notes that a bright, sunny day on a beach doesn't really seem like a fitting time for (spoiler: confronting Anemone). Lampshaded in the book.

     Scary stuff just so happens to occur when it's not dark (20/50) 

  • Abraxas (Hrodvitnon) - Titans and Other Creatures Section: MaNi/Elder Brother: Briefly. He first attacks Monster X in daylight, and unlike the Many, there's no prominent storm covering the sky.

  • Dead State: The best time to explore is during the day. Unfortunately, zombies don't sleep.

  • TheElderScrolls.Tropes D: Several vampire bloodlines and lycanthropes with voluntary transformations are just as capable of hunting during the day as they are at night. In some cases, they'll even invoke this trope directly.

  • Game of Thrones S7E4: "The Spoils of War": The battle takes place in broad daylight and bright sunshine and glowing green fields and it's still pretty horrifying. One shot of Drogon flying low over a beautiful lake only highlights how incongruous the scenery is, when it then flies over a burnt out battlefield.

  • Headless: A good number of the murders are committed while the sun's still out, and in the open field, no less.

  • Insidious:
    • The demon first appears to Lorraine (spoiler: in the front room of the Lamberts' second house) in the middle of a sunny afternoon.
    • Same for Chapter 2 with the Woman in White. She appears to Renai, nearly steals the baby, and knocks her out in the full bright of day.

  • Characters.Jumanji 1995: Section: Van Pelt: Unusually Uninteresting Sight: Only Carl takes notice of him, and it is because he is shooting an elephant gun in a residential area and in broad daylight. Nobody comments on the fact that he is dressed like a 19th century African Great White Hunter in 1995 New England.

  • NightmareFuel.Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous: The surreal first encounter with the Spinosaurus. It causally approaches barely visible in the heat, in broad daylight before attacking.

  • Law & Order: Special Victims Unit S11 E22 "Ace": Munch and Fin catches the Serial Rapist while he's targeting another woman at noon.

  • Left POOR Dead: Most of the outdoor scenes happen during the daytime.

  • Recap.Mahabharata S 01 E 12: Babies start dying in broad daylight in Gokul while Puthana walks around.

  • Mayday: The 9/11 attacks, as well as a number of other disasters (such as the mid-air collision in "Deadly Detour"), are shown to take place on beautiful sunny days in perfect flying weather. Plane crashes can happen during the day.

  • Missing Since Monday: Courtenay is kidnapped in the morning, as she is dropped off at school. The kid napping is discovered that afternoon, as a storm is breaking.

  • The Mist: The mist's monsters attack and kill whether it is day or night.

  • Recap.Mr Robot S 02 E 05: The massacre of the FBI in China.

  • Palus Somni: The Gol are only active at night, except when they're not. The Dream Eater Gol is seen to be active during the daytime as it gnaws its way through the outer wall.

  • PaperThinDisguise.Web Videos: The Slender Man Mythos: The Slender Man is obviously not human, but it usually works. To the point where he can pull off the usual Child Eater shtick in broad daylight, in direct view of their parents, who usually refuse to believe he exists. Also fails to explain how this is an example of Paper-Thin Disguise.

  • Phenomena: The first murder is the only one that happens during the day but because of the cold, isolated landscape and the offbeat music it is one of the eeriest scenes.

  • Serial Experiments Lain (commented out example): The anime liberally uses highly contrasting light and shadows in its animation, creating eerily bright days.

  • Waxworks (1992): The only waxworks that take place during the day are the Mine and Witch scenarios. Both the Graveyard and London ones are set at night, and the Ancient Egypt one takes place during a single night. The sun sets just as you enter the pyramid, and rises as you leave.

     True ZCE's (20/50) 

  • ABCs of Death 2: Three for the price of one!
    • Section: B is for Badger: This segment takes place during the daytime.
    • Section: M is for Masticate: The director would like to call it, "An act of cannibalism in a broad daylight."
    • Section: V is for Vacation: Justified in that the man calls his girlfriend early in the morning after they arrive. (spoiler:The horror part kicks in when both of the men die, with her Forced to Watch.)

  • Channel Zero: Nearly all of the most disturbing and dramatic scenes unfold outdoors in broad daylight.

  • Death on Demand: A recovered Sean impales Darla with a grappling hook, and reels her back into the house as she's leaving.

  • Digimon Ghost Game E30 "Bad Friend": Just like the Asuramon and Toropiamon incidents, the whole Kayono incident takes place in broad daylight.

  • Recap.Doctor Who S 30 E 8 Silence In The Library: It's a lovely day in the completely and utterly abandoned Library.

  • Eden Green: While some of the monsters prefer the shadows, plenty of the worst action occurs in the daylight. While it does compare and contrast with something darker, it's still a ZCE.

  • Fluttershy Is Free: Adolescent Fluttershy encounters the (spoiler:Changelings) by broad daylight.

  • NightmareFuel.Grand Theft Auto III: The very atmosphere of the game. Similarly to Grand Theft Auto IV, the game has a bleak, eerie atmosphere, even in the daytime.

  • Halloween Horror Nights: The event starts at least an hour before nightfall, giving plenty of time for the sun to shine over the scarezones. This trope is something of a Necessary Weasel for a horror show at a theme park.

  • Hitman 3 - Surprise Creepy: Don't be fooled by the level's bright weather and golden color scheme - it features some of the creepiest elimination methods in the entire World of Assassination trilogy. From the very bloody usage of wine-making equipment, to (spoiler: one target's sudden execution on the orders of the other, to Don clinging onto life after being stabbed in the gut by Diana), the level almost borders on Daylight Horror at times. Note: This bulletpoint of Surprise Creepy, despite that trope having been disambiguated, was still on the page as of May 19 2023. Despite the depreciation of that trope, this bullet still stands as misuse of Daylight Horror.

  • It Steals: The three bonus variants of Classic, Shutter Mode, and Hide and Seek take place in broad daylight. The Sun will slowly set in the Shudder Mode, however.

  • Kamikakushi: Most of Tobirama's encounters with Youkai have occurred during the day.

  • Lake Placid vs. Anaconda: Much of the monster mayhem takes place during the light of day.

  • YMMV.Night At The Museum - Nightmare Fuel: The Daylight Horror of the museum exhibits frozen mid-battle with Kahmunrah and his henchmen.

  • Pumpkin Eater: The majority of the story takes place during the day.

  • Ruby Quest: Well, not daylight, as Ruby is indoors for the whole quest, but things like the Bear Zombie, the Plant Zombie, and Ace are usually seen in good light.

  • Shibito no Koe wo Kiku ga Yoi: A lot of the horrific situations that occur in the manga take place in broad daylight. Many supernatural beings are also not shy about showing up in daylight.

  • Steve Niles' Remains: Likely due to the small budget, but the grand majority of the movie happens during the day.

  • Ultraman: Towards the Future: Lots of fights take place in broad daylight, giving us a good view of Ultraman and his foes.

  • Recap.Zekkyou Gakkyuu Period 9 Kasakosan Is Coming: [Simply potholes to "Daylight Horror"]

     Miscellaneous Misuse (1/50) 

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 29th 2023 at 5:30:14 AM

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#1: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:49:08 PM

To-do list:

    Original post 
Note: This thread was proposed by @MissConduct.

Daylight Horror is a very broad concept. "Scary things happen during the day or under bright lights" is teetering dangerously close to People Sit in Chairs. I'm sure there's a valid trope in there somewhere, but it's certainly not being used for it most of the time.

I also see it being misused in a way that Adult Fear used to be misused, as a very subjective Nightmare Fuel bullet on the objective Main. I've seen examples that are better fit for subtropes like Axes at School or They Look Just Like Everyone Else!, because these tropes often happen during the day, the fact that they're under Daylight Horror and not their main tropes makes me think that they're trying to subtly sneak an "And That's Terrifying" into the example, if they aren't just straight up using sensationalized language like "horrifying" in the example.

Wick Check says...

  • 9/50: The terror in the daylight is used for Mood Dissonance, or is juxtaposed with things that happen in the dark, or is a plot point, like some monsters can only attack during the day (by the current really loose definition I think all of these are technically valid examples, but these have the most meat on their bones).
  • 20/50: Scary stuff just so happens to happen during the daytime. Examples like these lead me to think the trope either isn't tropeworthy or is being used for Nightmare Fuel on Main, there's a lot of "The monster attacks during the day".
  • 20/50: Straight up ZCE's. A lot of these don't even mention what's supposed to be scary, they just say "this game takes place during the daytime", as if, without context, we know that it's scary.
  • 1/50: Miscellaneous misuse (it was on SpecialEffectFailure.Doctor Who and it implied the garish lighting of '80's era Who made it less scary.)

My suggestions would be either...

Wick check:

The true Daylight Horror is the quality of these wicks...

Why?: Nothing's scarier than ZCE's! The trope tends to be used for "anything scary that happens when it's not dark", which is probably Chairs; I'm going to argue towards redefining the trope as "horror where the bright setting is called attention to or is a plot point a la Midsommar", or possibly redefine as a subgenre of Horror instead of a trope. It's reminding me a bit of Adult Fear as well - people just straight up saying "this is scary" as if to sneak a Nightmare Fuel example onto Main.

Potholes to Daylight Horror have been Bolded.

Needs 50 wicks. 50/50 Complete.

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     Horror is juxtaposed with the sunny setting as deliberate Mood Dissonance or is a plot point, aren't ZCE's (9/50) 
  • Recap.Buffy The Vampire Slayer S 6 E 19 Seeing Red: Spike's rape attempt [of Buffy] occurs in a brightly-lit bathroom, in deliberate contrast to their rough but mutually-agreed sex in crypts, catwalks and dark alleys. The scene is being deliberately compared and contrasted with positive things happening in the dark.

  • ContrastingSequelAntagonist.Live Action Films: The Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park III, in contrast to the Tyrannosaurs that were antagonizing the heroes based on territorial reasons and end up being Accidental Heroes, Spinosaurus hunts the main cast out of revenge after being wounded. The Tyrannosaurs in both Jurassic Park and The Lost World are first encountered in the rain, while the first appearance of the Spinosaurus is Daylight Horror and its final confrontation is in the rain.
  • Doom (2016): Unlike in Doom³ where you faced demons and zombies in darkened rooms this installment is back to facing them in brightly lit areas so that you can see your opponents in all their horrific glory.

  • JusticeLeague.Tropes A To L: Director's commentary of the episode "A Better World" said that, for them, it was far creepier when we see Alternative Universe Gotham entirely by daylight, which added to the dystopian feel that the universe's Justice League had created. In addition, the episode in question sets all events in the Justice Lord universe in the daylight and all in the Justice League at night. Trope was Invoked.

  • The Missing: J.J. Macfield and the Island of Memories: The Old Holy Town chapter is the only one in the game set during full daytime (the rest of the game takes place either vaguely at night or with a heavily overcast sky), and is the setting of the second Hairshrieker chase.

  • Otter Island: Darkness Equals Death: The creepy stuff actually starts happening during the day, although it's more subtle at first and not overtly threatening. It's not until night falls that the horror kicks into high gear and the characters really start to grasp that they're in danger; it's also only at this point the player character runs into situations where they can be killed.

  • Snarled: In "The Noonwraith", Ola and Sophie go out into a field on a sweltering day. Sophie ends up dead at the hands of the titular spirit, and Ola only escapes thanks to her little brother's intervention. It makes sense given that the Noonwraith (also known as "Lady Afternoon") is the personification of heatstroke. The horror is meant to be allegorical for something that can only kill during daylight.

  • Train to Busan: The zombie apocalypse begins to run wild early in the morning, and the rest of the movie happens in broad daylight, save for when the train passes through tunnels. In fact, the zombies actually have to hunt in daytime; while they can still follow sounds, they're severely hamstrung if they can't see their prey. However, this is moot if said prey are screaming for their lives in a dark tunnel. The broad daylight is a plot point.

  • Wings of Fire: Turtle notes that a bright, sunny day on a beach doesn't really seem like a fitting time for (spoiler: confronting Anemone). Lampshaded in the book.

     Scary stuff just so happens to occur when it's not dark (20/50) 

  • Abraxas (Hrodvitnon) - Titans and Other Creatures Section: MaNi/Elder Brother: Briefly. He first attacks Monster X in daylight, and unlike the Many, there's no prominent storm covering the sky.

  • Dead State: The best time to explore is during the day. Unfortunately, zombies don't sleep.

  • TheElderScrolls.Tropes D: Several vampire bloodlines and lycanthropes with voluntary transformations are just as capable of hunting during the day as they are at night. In some cases, they'll even invoke this trope directly.

  • Game of Thrones S7E4: "The Spoils of War": The battle takes place in broad daylight and bright sunshine and glowing green fields and it's still pretty horrifying. One shot of Drogon flying low over a beautiful lake only highlights how incongruous the scenery is, when it then flies over a burnt out battlefield.

  • Headless: A good number of the murders are committed while the sun's still out, and in the open field, no less.

  • Insidious:
    • The demon first appears to Lorraine (spoiler: in the front room of the Lamberts' second house) in the middle of a sunny afternoon.
    • Same for Chapter 2 with the Woman in White. She appears to Renai, nearly steals the baby, and knocks her out in the full bright of day.

  • Characters.Jumanji 1995: Section: Van Pelt: Unusually Uninteresting Sight: Only Carl takes notice of him, and it is because he is shooting an elephant gun in a residential area and in broad daylight. Nobody comments on the fact that he is dressed like a 19th century African Great White Hunter in 1995 New England.

  • NightmareFuel.Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous: The surreal first encounter with the Spinosaurus. It causally approaches barely visible in the heat, in broad daylight before attacking.

  • Law & Order: Special Victims Unit S11 E22 "Ace": Munch and Fin catches the Serial Rapist while he's targeting another woman at noon.

  • Left POOR Dead: Most of the outdoor scenes happen during the daytime.

  • Recap.Mahabharata S 01 E 12: Babies start dying in broad daylight in Gokul while Puthana walks around.

  • Mayday: The 9/11 attacks, as well as a number of other disasters (such as the mid-air collision in "Deadly Detour"), are shown to take place on beautiful sunny days in perfect flying weather. Plane crashes can happen during the day.

  • Missing Since Monday: Courtenay is kidnapped in the morning, as she is dropped off at school. The kid napping is discovered that afternoon, as a storm is breaking.

  • The Mist: The mist's monsters attack and kill whether it is day or night.

  • Recap.Mr Robot S 02 E 05: The massacre of the FBI in China.

  • Palus Somni: The Gol are only active at night, except when they're not. The Dream Eater Gol is seen to be active during the daytime as it gnaws its way through the outer wall.

  • PaperThinDisguise.Web Videos: The Slender Man Mythos: The Slender Man is obviously not human, but it usually works. To the point where he can pull off the usual Child Eater shtick in broad daylight, in direct view of their parents, who usually refuse to believe he exists. Also fails to explain how this is an example of Paper-Thin Disguise.

  • Phenomena: The first murder is the only one that happens during the day but because of the cold, isolated landscape and the offbeat music it is one of the eeriest scenes.

  • Serial Experiments Lain (commented out example): The anime liberally uses highly contrasting light and shadows in its animation, creating eerily bright days.

  • Waxworks (1992): The only waxworks that take place during the day are the Mine and Witch scenarios. Both the Graveyard and London ones are set at night, and the Ancient Egypt one takes place during a single night. The sun sets just as you enter the pyramid, and rises as you leave.

     True ZCE's (20/50) 

  • ABCs of Death 2: Three for the price of one!
    • Section: B is for Badger: This segment takes place during the daytime.
    • Section: M is for Masticate: The director would like to call it, "An act of cannibalism in a broad daylight."
    • Section: V is for Vacation: Justified in that the man calls his girlfriend early in the morning after they arrive. (spoiler:The horror part kicks in when both of the men die, with her Forced to Watch.)

  • Channel Zero: Nearly all of the most disturbing and dramatic scenes unfold outdoors in broad daylight.

  • Death on Demand: A recovered Sean impales Darla with a grappling hook, and reels her back into the house as she's leaving.

  • Digimon Ghost Game E30 "Bad Friend": Just like the Asuramon and Toropiamon incidents, the whole Kayono incident takes place in broad daylight.

  • Recap.Doctor Who S 30 E 8 Silence In The Library: It's a lovely day in the completely and utterly abandoned Library.

  • Eden Green: While some of the monsters prefer the shadows, plenty of the worst action occurs in the daylight. While it does compare and contrast with something darker, it's still a ZCE.

  • Fluttershy Is Free: Adolescent Fluttershy encounters the (spoiler:Changelings) by broad daylight.

  • NightmareFuel.Grand Theft Auto III: The very atmosphere of the game. Similarly to Grand Theft Auto IV, the game has a bleak, eerie atmosphere, even in the daytime.

  • Halloween Horror Nights: The event starts at least an hour before nightfall, giving plenty of time for the sun to shine over the scarezones. This trope is something of a Necessary Weasel for a horror show at a theme park.

  • Hitman 3 - Surprise Creepy: Don't be fooled by the level's bright weather and golden color scheme - it features some of the creepiest elimination methods in the entire World of Assassination trilogy. From the very bloody usage of wine-making equipment, to (spoiler: one target's sudden execution on the orders of the other, to Don clinging onto life after being stabbed in the gut by Diana), the level almost borders on Daylight Horror at times. Note: This bulletpoint of Surprise Creepy, despite that trope having been disambiguated, was still on the page as of May 19 2023. Despite the depreciation of that trope, this bullet still stands as misuse of Daylight Horror.

  • It Steals: The three bonus variants of Classic, Shutter Mode, and Hide and Seek take place in broad daylight. The Sun will slowly set in the Shudder Mode, however.

  • Kamikakushi: Most of Tobirama's encounters with Youkai have occurred during the day.

  • Lake Placid vs. Anaconda: Much of the monster mayhem takes place during the light of day.

  • YMMV.Night At The Museum - Nightmare Fuel: The Daylight Horror of the museum exhibits frozen mid-battle with Kahmunrah and his henchmen.

  • Pumpkin Eater: The majority of the story takes place during the day.

  • Ruby Quest: Well, not daylight, as Ruby is indoors for the whole quest, but things like the Bear Zombie, the Plant Zombie, and Ace are usually seen in good light.

  • Shibito no Koe wo Kiku ga Yoi: A lot of the horrific situations that occur in the manga take place in broad daylight. Many supernatural beings are also not shy about showing up in daylight.

  • Steve Niles' Remains: Likely due to the small budget, but the grand majority of the movie happens during the day.

  • Ultraman: Towards the Future: Lots of fights take place in broad daylight, giving us a good view of Ultraman and his foes.

  • Recap.Zekkyou Gakkyuu Period 9 Kasakosan Is Coming: [Simply potholes to "Daylight Horror"]

     Miscellaneous Misuse (1/50) 

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 29th 2023 at 5:30:14 AM

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#2: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:49:18 PM

Paging ~@MissConduct to the thread.

Anyway, I don't think either redefinition option would work without TLP, and I'd prefer to see a list of tropes that would go on an index before voting for that. I wouldn't be against turning it into an index if we can get a list of tropes to put there, but I'm going to hold off on voting for that until a list is provided, and I'm against both redefinition options (I'd be fine with them sending back to TLP; I just don't think it could be done through TRS).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 22nd 2023 at 10:52:13 AM

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#3: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:57:09 PM

By the description it sounds like Subverted Safety, as setting where it's believed monsters are Weakened by the Light, they are not and attack in public for shock factor.

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#4: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:57:50 PM

[up] I'm not getting that at all.

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#5: Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:34:22 PM

I think the issue with the "categorizing Daylight Horror as a subgenre" proposal is that the qualifier for "works that build their whole identity around bright horror" still feels arbitrary and just as likely for misuse. Say something like BioShock Infinite, which is an Actionized Sequel to two dark horror games (or at least with a more blatant Bio Punk horror aesthetic), but while in a much brighter and sunny setting still carries several horror hallmarks established by those prior games, namely the upsetting Body Horror and level of graphic violence (which is arguably even more blatant in Infinite). Would that pass the "builds its identity around bright horror" test in a way that's as visibly deliberate as Midsommar?

I do think the simple portrayal of "scary thing in broad daylight" is probably Chairing and should be trimmed, but I also do think there is value in keeping the trope for specifying pointed momentary dissonance (the deliberate juxtaposition of bright environment and disturbing horror for unique atmospheric purposes). For entries on that level to work, they'll need to establish the context that describes the mood it's trying to achieve in making it daylight horror; ie, if the explanation describing the scary thing could just as easily have been taking place in darkness, it fails the bar.

Edited by number9robotic on Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:52:48 AM

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#6: Aug 22nd 2023 at 10:37:23 PM

"deliberate juxtaposition of bright environment and disturbing horror for unique atmospheric purposes" should be covered by Scenery Dissonance.

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#7: Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:37:15 PM

[up] True, but Scenery Dissonance has a lot of potential application, such as "bright settings amidst dissonant settings for tragic atmosphere", and covers other states like "tense action amidst comedic settings" as well as the inverse range of "pleasant scenarios with unpleasant scenery". Daylight Horror suggests a very specific kind of the manner.

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#8: Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:41:31 PM

[up][up]Maybe redirecting to Scenery Dissonance could be an option, or disambiguating between that and Mood Dissonance.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 22nd 2023 at 1:42:07 PM

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#9: Aug 23rd 2023 at 2:23:41 AM

[up]Both options sound good. think I prefer the disambig to the redirect in this case.

Edited by amathieu13 on Aug 23rd 2023 at 2:23:57 AM

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#13: Aug 23rd 2023 at 9:16:01 AM

I'm in favor of disambiguating after seeing the feedback for that idea.

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#14: Aug 23rd 2023 at 11:59:36 AM

My logic behind the "Daylight Horror as genre" suggestion would be that it would be a subgenre of horror the genre. I've never played Bioshock, but if Bioshock Infinite is not a horror game it wouldn't be classified as this new Daylight Horror trope. It's just like what Sunshine Noir is to Noir, Daylight Horror would be to Horror.

I had an idea, since the misuse was starting to remind me of the misuse Adult Fear got, of giving it the same treatment as Adult Fear and turning it into an index of comparable tropes/tropes I saw getting misused as Daylight Horror.

The tropes I was thinking for that index were (and obviously there's room for more):

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#15: Aug 23rd 2023 at 12:30:41 PM

So, going back to a previous post of mine:

I'd prefer to see a list of tropes that would go on an index before voting for that

Since such a list has been provided, I'm changing my vote from disambiguating to turning into an index. (Yeah, I know that Adult Fear's original outcome was disambiguating; changing it from a disambiguation page to an index was suggested on the page's discussion page because the page got very long, so mod discussion led to that suggestion being implemented.)

(And I noticed I messed up the ping when I made the thread last night.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 23rd 2023 at 2:32:26 PM

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#18: Aug 25th 2023 at 2:59:35 AM

I am not happy to let this one go as a trope. As explained on Darkness Equals Death:

because our species is primarily diurnal and associates daytime with more freedom in making more practical decisions, there's a reason why so many horror movies as well as horror media in general primarily takes place during the night. If humans evolved from nocturnal animals instead, it would be significantly harder to stimulate our Primal Fear response with nighttime horror setting.

Subverting that expectation of daylight as a safe haven seems like a legit tool in the creator's playbook. I don't see it as a genre because it could be one scene in a movie and it's still this thing. Take for example this scene from Mulholland Dr..

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#19: Aug 25th 2023 at 3:40:34 AM

[up]That can easily be described by Mood Dissonance and is likely better there than here, since because the trope is somewhat general, tropers are more clearly directed to explain exactly why and how this scene taking place in the day time creates dissonance, rather than what this trope is mostly being used for (scary thing happens when the sun's out regardless of whether or not it creates any tonal contrast).

Edited by amathieu13 on Aug 25th 2023 at 1:53:02 AM

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#20: Aug 25th 2023 at 1:02:31 PM

I agree that Mood Dissonance covers that.

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#22: Aug 25th 2023 at 11:59:03 PM

Scenery Dissonance is a subtrope of Mood Dissonance, so I'm not sure there'd be a point in listing both of them on a disambig for Daylight Horror. If Daylight Horror is about scenery, then it stands to reason that any example of it that fits Mood Dissonance would also fit Scenery Dissonance.

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#23: Aug 29th 2023 at 3:24:50 AM

Calling in favor of disambiguating between Mood Dissonance, Scenery Dissonance, Axes at School, They Look Just Like Everyone Else!, Crapsaccharine World, Light Is Not Good, Pure Is Not Good, Sinister Sentient Sun, Sunshine Noir, and possibly other tropes. I discovered tropes to list other than Mood Dissonance and Scenery Dissonance in the opening post, so that solves Twiddler's concern about the disambiguation page only listing Mood Dissonance and a single subtrope thereof.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 29th 2023 at 5:29:23 AM

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#24: Sep 2nd 2023 at 5:09:23 AM

I disambig'd the page since it hadn't been done yet. I added only the tropes that focus on/can be applied to setting/scenery. 875 wicks to clean

[down]np

Edited by amathieu13 on Sep 2nd 2023 at 6:49:28 AM

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#25: Sep 2nd 2023 at 6:02:12 AM

[up]Thank you. I'm guessing I didn't feel up to doing that myself when I called the thread based on the timestamp, and then forgot to come back to it after that.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 2nd 2023 at 8:02:24 AM

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Trope Repair Shop: DaylightHorror
25th Aug '23 10:00:42 PM

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Daylight Horror is suffering from an overly broad scope. What should we do to fix the problem?

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