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Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Witty name idea:
"And Closure" might be better, though, but if this is a Plot trope, then we should use Plot instead of Story.
Edit: But, as it calls itself a Story... We can't make this a Genre, can we?
Edited by Malady on Apr 21st 2023 at 9:45:40 AM
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576If "Story" doesn't make it clear it's about the full work/arc, I don't think any synonym would (like "plot").
Unsure if Coming Out Ending or Non Binary Affirmation Closure would be good.
Making it a genre index with no off-page examples may also be an option.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupAgree that I don't think it's possible to have a title that wouldn't attract misuse. As for what to do, my first thought was actually just cleanup.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailI'm not too keen on Non Binary Affirmation Closure — that name sounds too narrow, considering that the trope concerns anyone on the LGBT+ spectrum.
There's so much I wish I could take back.I wanted Plot because all other plots use Plot?
Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576Possible options so far:
- Rename to Coming Out Journey or other names. But here's a question, people ignored the "story" part of the Coming-Out Story trope, will renaming it fix this issue and possible misuse? I think the Coming Out Journey rename is good enough.
- Is expanding to "The moment a character or a couple finally come out as LGBT+ after keeping it a secret from the public/everyone around them" out of the question? The first thing that came to my mind is "why not just expand it to fit some of the misuse?"
- Will probably need a rename like Coming Out Scene, Out Of The Closet Moment, etc.
- "Make it a genre index with no off-page examples." The thing is we have problems with indexes like this. Will it be about any story that includes a coming-out scene or stories where the coming-out scene is important and vital to the story? Like Queer Media's criteria.
Edited by selkies on Apr 22nd 2023 at 10:35:59 AM
I'm not sure that the name is the problem here. As was previously mentioned, people are just ignoring the "story" part, which otherwise gets the point across.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Expansion is looking appealing tbh. Since the misuse isn't completely chairs, then it's a good option.
I think as long as the coming out moment is treated as notable in the story (and not a throwaway line) it should count as an example so I don't think we need to limit the trope to overarching plots. I am good with expanding the definition to cover that.
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 22nd 2023 at 4:46:00 AM
Macron's notesExpanding is also fine
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupNow that expanding has been mentioned, I'm in favor of that while leaving the name alone.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 22nd 2023 at 6:37:01 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I agree with expanding and, assuming it gets expanded, leaving the name as is.
If it doesn't get expanded, however, then I feel renaming would help.
Would something like Journey Out Of The Closet work for the non-expanded version?
That's not a bad name if we keep the definition the same, now that you mention it.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Expanding + leave the name as is
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Apr 23rd 2023 at 11:32:33 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallMaybe a new name like "Coming Out Ending" could work for this trope.
Edited by BlakeIsHere on Apr 23rd 2023 at 12:49:29 PM
A proud 18-year-old British smartass nerd obsessed with World Cup mascots, geopolitical history & British animation.to expanding and keeping the name. And if expanded, (extrapolating from number of examples to total wicks) the "coming to terms by the end" narrower def might be worth TLP-ing or yarding.
I don't think we have enough votes, so I hooked a crowner for expanding and/or renaming. (I upvoted expanding and downvoted renaming, since I'm not sure if we'd even need to clean up wicks if we keep the name the same when expanding, or at least we wouldn't have to clean up as much.)
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Calling in favor of expanding to include examples about the moment when a character or a couple finally comes out as LGBT+ after keeping it a secret from the public/everyone around them.
Get a sandbox ready if necessary.
Edit: I don't think wick cleanup will be necessary since we expanded the definition without changing the name.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 27th 2023 at 7:45:28 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Here: Sandbox.Coming Out Story. Is it good?
It really ought to be split into paragraphs for readability's sake, but aside from that, I don't see any problems with the text (just the formatting).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I swapped in the rewrite since it's been a week and the problem I had was fixed, so locking up.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Coming Out Story is supposed to be about a character coming to terms with their gender/sexual/other identity out and learning to accept who they are over the course of the story. However, the trope is often misused to refer to any time a character comes out of the closet. What should be done with Coming Out Story? Both expanding to include misuse and renaming were suggested, and are not mutually exclusive.
To-do list:
Coming-Out Story is supposed to be about a character coming to terms with their gender/sexual/other identity out and learning to accept who they are over the course of the story. However, the trope is often misused to refer to any time a character comes out of the closet, which is only one part of the trope, and that name is doing no favors. A rename would probably be a good place to start.
Summary of Coming Out Wick Check:
To-do list:
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 27th 2023 at 7:46:35 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.