To-do list:
- Since Aluminum Christmas Trees is now YMMV, wicks are now only allowed on YMMV pages. In-Universe examples are covered by a separate trope, Eskimos Aren't Real. Note that Aluminum Christmas Trees also has a Commonwealth English redirect, Aluminium Christmas Trees, whose use is permitted alongside the main name per the policy on American and Commonwealth Spellings. Cleanup can be tracked using the Aluminum Christmas Cleaning sandbox.
- A story element that exists or existed in Real Life but is assumed to be fictional by the audience, often because it seems too unlikely, bizarre, or kitschy to be real. Sometimes truth really is stranger than fiction...
So there, right at the start, it states outright that this is an audience reaction. Despite this, it isn't listed on Audience Reactions, it's not officially a subjective trope, and is usually seen on non-YMMV pages. This is not how it should be, since it is in fact a subjective trope by definition.
Wicks checked: 57
- Audience reaction on a non-YMMV page: 41/57 (71%)
- Potholes, inline use, and trope descriptions: 14/57 (25%)
- Indices: 1/57 (2%)
- Unclear: 1/57 (2%)
It's pretty natural that the vast majority of the examples are describing audience reactions, or at least what the troper imagines the audience reactions to be, since this is an audience reaction. The discussion page shows quite a few people pointing out that it's an audience reaction.
It has also been brought up in TRS thrice before.
- Angry Scientist brought it up back in 2011; Madrugada said it wasn't subjective on the grounds that even though it's subjective, it doesn't cause natter or flame wars. In the decade plus since then, we've gotten much stricter about how things are classified, and now all audience reactions go on YMMV no matter how uncontroversial they are. As such, I feel justified in bringing this trope up again.
- In 2017, psvage argued it belonged un Usefulnotes/; Berrenta said no. They were correct, since this isn't a useful note, it's an audience reaction.
- Most recently, in 2019, Brainulator9 made a "Needs Help" thread for it, suggesting that it could do with a rename. Again, Berrenta was the one who said no, this time on the grounds that there is no evidence the trope is being misused. My wick check agrees; there doesn't seem to be any misuse, but it is clearly an audience reaction.
I hereby make a straightforward proposal: Add Aluminium Christmas Trees to Audience Reactions and move any examples to the YMMV tabs where they belong.
Wick check:
Characters.Hitman 2016 Elusive Targets
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Protagonist and White Cap do use genuine hacker and coding terms while bantering with one another. For example, they mention brute forcing a database with 47 terabytes of rainbow tables, which does sound absolutely hilarious, but it is a genuine hacker term relating to using cryptography and hashes to brute-force certain codes and other hashes in a database. The Technobabble here also falls under Genius Bonus; when Protagonist mentions someone using WEP-128 WiFi encryption on their phone at the party downstairs, he calls it "cute", and immediately hacks them. WEP-128 is notoriously riddled with security holes and user issues, to the point that most modern phone manufacturers don't even support it anymore, outside of legacy options.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The motel in the movie is a real place.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees:
- Many people who viewed the movie were surprised to find that ice harvesting was an actual thing in the 19th century that was especially common in Norway and many other parts of Europe and North America, and was exported to countries as far as the Philippines and the Caribbean. Blocks of ice were put into icehouses to store food before modern refrigerators existed.
- There was some audience confusion over why some of the ice appears blue, instead of being limited to the more common white and translucent forms. In real life, blue ice is rare but not unheard of, usually forming when the ice is particularly dense.
Literature.B To The F The Novelization Of The Feature Film [[quoteblock]]
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Ryan initially believes that school disciplinarians like Mr. Strickland only exist in movies. A fan subsequently wrote in saying that their aunt works as a "Mistress of Discipline" at a Catholic school.
Comic Strip.Peanuts
- Aluminum Christmas Trees:
- Besides the trope naming artifacts in A Charlie Brown Christmas, there's an early strip where Lucy tries to make Schroeder jealous by claiming she prefers more modern music and Snoopy comes in with an accordion to play "polkas, schottisches, and waltzes." At the time this was a straight reference, while in reprints it looks as though it's a gag on how Lucy and/or Snoopy are out of touch.
- The character José Peterson represented a Melting-Pot Nomenclature joke at the time, as the idea of someone with a Swedish father and Mexican mother seemed like a bizarrely unlikely combination — it wouldn't be seen as that remarkable in the modern US.
Literature.Cujo
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The plot point about Red Razberry Zingers dying children's digestive tracts red is based on a real incident: when Franken Berry Cereal was first introduced in the early 1970s, it included an indigestible pink dye that turned many children's feces pink, prompting General Mills to change the recipe.
WesternAnimation.Clerks The Animated Series
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: From the pilot — The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer may sound like a show the writers made up to parallel the show, but it was all too real. It aired on UPN for four episodes — two more than Clerks did.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: At the airfield, several of the planes are American AT-6 Texan trainers painted in Luftwaffe colours. The Luftwaffe did indeed have AT-6s in service, captured from Belgium, who had purchased them from the United States.
- Some viewers initially thought that having one of the escapees disguised as a German soldier was a notable and rather unfortunate mistake on the writer's part, since this was completely against protocol due to the fact that the punishment for being caught in such a disguise would be far more severe than being disguised as a civilian, but the source book indicates that one escapee really was disguised a Luftwaffe Unteroffizernote .
Recap.South Park S 6 E 16 My Future Self N Me
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The punchline to the "sodomized...in the ass!" bit is obviously the redundancy of it, but many anti-sodomy laws do consider a wide range of sex acts to also count as sodomy.
Recap.Arthur S 1 E 9 Arthur Babysits Arthurs Cousin Catastrophe
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Arthur's Uncle Sean tries, and fails, to act out the book On The Bridges of Medieval Paris: A Record of Early Fourteeth-Century Life by Virginia Wylie Eggbert. While this seems like a joke about Pop-Cultural Osmosis Failure, this is actually a real book. Lampshaded when his wife chides him for not picking a more well-known work, to which he replies "Well, all my friends have read it!"
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The film exaggerates somewhat the tactics used by True Directions, but some viewers may be shocked at how similar they are to actual conversion therapy programs—mostly in the use of aversion therapy (like electroshock) and trying to make LGBT people act in more gender conforming ways. Historically, these programs were even worse than what we see here. Methods including aversion therapy, lobotomies, nausea-inducing drugs, and chemical castration were used to "cure" a person of their non-straight tendencies. Nowadays, most conversion programs in the United States stick with therapy, psychoanalysis, and (if the program is religion-oriented) prayer, though on occasion you'll hear reports of a (usually unlicensed) camp reverting to the old methods or employing full-on torture to get results.
Recap.Father Ted S 2 E 11 A Christmassy Ted
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: We're meant to laugh at Dougal for thinking that Terry Wogan is a nickname. Wogan's actual first name is Michael. His mother started calling him Terry to differentiate him from his father who was also called Michael.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: For those outside of North America, the "push pop" seems odd — but it is an actual type of popsicle (ordinarily made with frozen grape or orange sherbet) that's sold there.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Nimja exists! Though he’s not a Mew, obviously.
Recap.Pokemon S 1 E 53 The Purrfect Hero
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Children's Day is a real holiday in Japan, which the original airing was intended to coincide with.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: “More German Than German” sounds like a nonsense phrase (likely playing on “More Human Than Human”) but it’s derived from an actual expression that was common in Imperial Germany.
Characters.Rurouni Kenshin The Ten Swords
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: In real life, people with anhidrosis are at extreme risk for overheating. Though most don't actually catch fire the condition can be very deadly. Doing something very physical in a very hot place is not a great idea, no matter how badass the flaming sword attacks make the dramatic final duel look.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Systems similar to Good Boy Points do exist in real-life parenting, except, of course, they are used with actual children and usually don't actually award points for things like "not dumping your festering waste on your mother's bed".
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Projection keyboards, such as the one Hiro is seen typing on during the Baymax power-up montage, are very real.
WebAnimation.Hunter The Parenting
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: As pointed out on Patreon, the silly-sounding village names are actually real places in Norfolk.
Film.How The Grinch Stole Christmas
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: A more unconventional instance than most, but still applicable nonetheless: a good number of viewers both then and now thought the Grinch's facial expressions in the film were mostly the result of the makeup Jim Carrey wore, when in actuality he's fully capable of morphing his face to that heavy of a degree on command. One of Carrey's stand-up bits in the 90's involved him doing "facial impressions" of various celebrities, with his version of the Grinch's Evil Grin being a re-purposing of his Jack Nicholson impression; Carrey is still fully capable◊ of pulling off faces like that to this day and typically does it nowadays to amuse child fans and their parents.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Wemmick's has turned his house into a miniature castle complete with moat and drawbridge. To modern readers this may seem eccentric, but this was actually quite common for wealthy Victorians. Then again, it may also seem like the act of a rich idiot who wants to impress other rich idiots
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Critics were quick to jump at the characters of Lina and Oviedo as examples of forced representation, yet they are actually based on real people.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: According to Chef Stewrat, his stew has been cooking for 500 years and keeps getting new ingredients added to it. Such a thing is possible, called perpetual stew, although it usually doesn't last that long.
Film.Scrooged
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Younger audiences may be confused at the appearance of a cellphone in 1988. Notice how the phone is on a cord that goes to a larger part in Grace's purse. That's a real 1988 cellphone, top of the line.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The prosecution calls a former North Vietnamese soldier as a witness, who testifies about Childers having executed a prisoner during the Vietnam War. A controversial moment... but less so than the US Navy calling Commander Mochitsura Hashimoto to testify against American Captain Charles McVay, on trial for negligence after Hashimoto torpedoed and sunk his ship.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: It might look weird to see black people like General Mattias in a 19th century pseudo-Scandinavian kingdom given how many fantasy films have racially homogeneous casts, but he's not just a Black Viking. Norse settlers, traders, and Viking raiders explored all over Europe, including North African and Middle Eastern nations on the Mediterranean sea, and some people from those areas came back to Scandinavia (as either slaves/indentured servants or free-men), so it's not impossible for there to be dark-skinned descendants of those immigrants.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: It is mentioned that Heather Dunbar's family owns an armored car service. There is an actual armored car service called Dunbar Armored Cars Inc.
WesternAnimation.My Little Pony Equestria Girls Rainbow Rocks
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The instruments Trixie's bandmates are playing look bizarre to some fans who haven't seen any live performances of electronic music. They're a fairly accurate representation of typical portable sequencers.
Characters.Red Dead Redemption 2 Strangers And Other Minor Characters
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: He may seem anachronistic, but the Mafia was powerful enough during the era of the game that his presence in Saint Denis is perfectly plausible.
VideoGame.AI The Somnium Files
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Nanotechnology that cures certain illnesses like cancer do actually exist in reality and was first performed on animals like dogs and cats.
- Hemispatial Neglect, the condition experienced by Rohan Kumakura following a brain injury, is also real. While it doesn't make you into a serial killer, it does cause a deficit in attention toward half of a person's visual field and, as a result, the rest of their environment.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The idea of what some reviews referred to as a “magical t-shirt” might seem odd, but were not at all unheard of in the medieval period.
Fanfic.The Chronicles Of Karai Getting Her Shit Together
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: In Chapter 29, Karai takes Leo to KFC, claiming that it is super popular in Japan during the holidays. In Real Life, KFC as Christmas dinner has been a widespread practice in Japan since 1974.
Video Game.Gloomwood
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Despite looking like a work of fiction, the game's folding shotgun is actually based on a real weapon, although touting a regular pump-action mechanism instead of the rear grip and trigger being the pump handle.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Cooperative board games are apparently an absurd result of liberal attitudes taken to extremes in the Winslow household, rather than an extremely popular and commercially successful genre.
(This one is on the part of the writer rather than the audience, but I think it still counts)
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The songs Bonzo makes the cadets sing during the run to the battle room are a tame example of military cadence, fitting for school age children but not out of place in modern US basic training.
Recap.Yu Gi Oh Anime S 4 E 162 On The Wrong Track 3
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The There Is No Kill Like Overkill moment may seem like an element unique to the anime added for drama, but it was actually an official part of the rules before 2015 that the duel couldn't officially end in the middle of a card effect and had to continue until the card fully resolved even if a player's life points had already been reduced to 0. So for a brief time when a nerfed version of Berserker Soul existed in the real game a player could, and legally had to, replicate Yugi's overkill moment by continuing to excavate cards and continue to do damage even if the opponent's life points were already reduced to 0.
VideoGame.Super Mario Sunshine
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: All the fruit featured in this game are pretty standard and commonplace, with the exception of the durian, which amounts to an organic Spike Ball of Doom that you can't carry around. Its exotic status and spiked nature confused many a gamer but it happens to be a real fruit.
Literature.Harry Potter And The Philosophers Stone
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: The American edition actually kept the line in about Harry wanting to buy as many Mars Bars as he could eat, even though this was referencing the European version (closer to what Americans call a Milky Way). However, at the time the book takes place and when it was printed, there was a candy bar called Mars available in the U.S.
Characters.Batwoman
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Some readers have expressed disbelief that Kate would (or could) have any sort of positive opinion about the military after her dismissal under DADT, let alone still think of herself as a soldier, to the point that some think she should be explicitly antimilitary because of it. However, many real troops discharged under DADT did end up reenlisting after its repeal; while Kate didn't reenlist, her continued, overall favorable view of the armed forces isn't unprecedented for such individuals. Additionally, Kate was raised on an Army base with two career soldiers, which would obviously influence her views on the matter in a positive direction, something that tends to be true of real Military Brats.
VideoGame.Warriors Legends Of Troy
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Achilles actually was described as golden haired in the myths.
- Garfield:
- Jon once bought a "battery operated battery charger". The joke was supposed to be that he falls for scams and blows money on "useless" stuff, but it turns out such a concept is far from useless and is totally real. Such devices exist as a means to give portable electronics such as cell phones, laptops, and even car batteries juice in the event of an emergency or if they are being used much more than their battery can handle. In fact nowadays, owing to the much higher reliance on electronics and 5V USB power becoming standardized, power banks are a common household item.
Characters.Elden Ring Outer Gods
- Non-Indicative Name: Despite repeatedly being described with Flower Motifs, the Rot has far more in common with fungi then any sort of flora. This appears to be a reference to real world botanical history, as mushrooms were originally categorized as a type of flower before science advanced enough to recognise the differences.
CelebrityParadox.Western Animation
- Danny Elfman's jaunty Simpsons theme has been heard as diegetic (in-universe) background music on the show. For instance, in "Weekend at Burnsies", Phish guitarist Trey Anastasio is shown playing a few bars of the theme song during their performance at Homer's rally. This is something Anastasio actually did during the band's concerts for several years, often punctuated by him and the audience yelling "D'oh!". In the episode, however, "D'oh!" is replaced by a more generic "Boom!".
Main.Not Making This Up Disclaimer
- On Glee, Kurt has a "boyfriend pillow" named Bruce. When Rachel and Santana find out, he gets one for each of them (giving Santana's a sex change). Also a case of Aluminum Christmas Trees, as the "boyfriend pillow" is an actual item you can order.
Main.The Problem With Pen Island
- Yes, Pen Island is real. There are actually two Pen islands: East and West Pen Island. They are part of several uninhabited Arctic islands in Nunavut, Canada. West Pen Island is actually a spit, rather than an island. East Pen Island is situated off the shore of Ontario, a few kilometers southeast of Manitoba, and no, it's not a swallow.
- There's now a sequel, and it's just as good as the first one. The biggest highlight might be Joel's recital of Kira's infamous (though surprisingly accurate) discussion about his hand fetish.
- Narm:
- "Day 4: 11pm - 12am" involves the hunt for a briefcase containing the US government's nuclear launch codes, known as the "Nuclear Football". This actually is what the briefcase is called in real life, but that didn't keep the dialogue from sounding extremely silly, nor did it stop fans from making endless football jokes.
Characters.Warhammer Other Factions
- Trademark Favorite Food: Kvas, a type of very strong alcohol that is used in everything. It actually exists, though the real deal is only mildly alcoholic (it can be drunk by children).
PlayingWith.Little Known Facts
- Subverted: Joel quotes facts that sound unlikely and that no one believes, but are actually true.
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: An element that strikes viewers as patently fictional when it is, in fact, real.
- The Shake Weight.Explanation
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 7:16:39 AM
Audience Reactions. And not "any examples", they still have to be contextualized correctly.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupSounds good to me. If they have the necessary context, stick 'em in YMMV.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailThis should absolutely be indexed on Audience Reactions. There's nothing objective about this.
Edit: That, and we already have Eskimos Aren't Real for in-universe examples, which is one of the few cases of an Audience Reaction having an in-universe counterpart without the Audience Reaction being marked as YMMV (at least until we get that fixed), as opposed to the situation between Never Live It Down (YMMV) and Once Done, Never Forgotten (in-universe), for example.
Another edit: I recall bringing up the fact that this is indexed on Unexpected Reactions to This Index in the past, but I don't remember where. Either way, that's an entire index of things the creators didn't expect from audiences, to the point that the index itself is marked as YMMV (though the YMMV tag on that index could be a result of being indexed on Audience Reactions as a subcategory, but either way, the fact that the Audience Reactions index lists it as a subcategory to begin with is further evidence of Unexpected Reactions to This Index being reserved for subjective concepts, Aluminum Christmas Trees included).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2022 at 9:31:37 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Does its alleged inverted trope Reality Is Unrealistic have the same problem or it has to be checked separately? A quick glance shows me a lot of "viewers" examples.
Edited by Amonimus on Oct 13th 2022 at 5:50:33 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupAudience reaction
While I think it would be worth doing a wick check for it because it also strikes me as subjective (the inversion is in terms of what audiences think is real vs. what they think is fake; the subjective "audiences think this" aspect is present for both), it would be better saved for its own thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 13th 2022 at 9:57:37 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Audience reaction for me
Kirby is awesome.*tosses one more vote on the "yes this is an audience reaction" pile*
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.Definitely seems to be an Audience Reaction and should go on YMMV.
Audience Reaction.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?Well, this is about as straightforward as they come. move to YMMV.
Audience Reaction
Agreed. This is a textbook audience reaction.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.Absolutely should be an Audience Reaction, since not everyone will assume something weird is fictional.
Edited by harryhenry on Oct 14th 2022 at 4:19:26 AM
It pleases me that there is so much consensus.
Reality Is Unrealistic might be better as a pure index with no examples, but as has been said, that's a discussion for another thread.
Ukrainian Red Crossto YMMV
I addressed this issue last year at Trope Talk. Glad to see something being done about it.
Edited by eroock on Oct 16th 2022 at 11:08:29 AM
It's been 3 days and consensus is unanimous. Should we call this?
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
To-do list:
So there, right at the start, it states outright that this is an audience reaction. Despite this, it isn't listed on Audience Reactions, it's not officially a subjective trope, and is usually seen on non-YMMV pages. This is not how it should be, since it is in fact a subjective trope by definition.
Here's the wick check.
Wicks checked: 57
It's pretty natural that the vast majority of the examples are describing audience reactions, or at least what the troper imagines the audience reactions to be, since this is an audience reaction. The discussion page shows quite a few people pointing out that it's an audience reaction.
It has also been brought up in TRS thrice before.
I hereby make a straightforward proposal: Add Aluminium Christmas Trees to Audience Reactions and move any examples to the YMMV tabs where they belong.
Wick check:
Characters.Hitman 2016 Elusive Targets
Film.Clown Motel
WesternAnimation.Frozen 2013
Literature.B To The F The Novelization Of The Feature Film [[quoteblock]]
Comic Strip.Peanuts
Literature.Cujo
WesternAnimation.Clerks The Animated Series
Film.The Great Escape
Recap.South Park S 6 E 16 My Future Self N Me
Recap.Arthur S 1 E 9 Arthur Babysits Arthurs Cousin Catastrophe
Film.But Im A Cheerleader
Recap.Father Ted S 2 E 11 A Christmassy Ted
WesternAnimation.The Bad Guys
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: For those outside of North America, the "push pop" seems odd — but it is an actual type of popsicle (ordinarily made with frozen grape or orange sherbet) that's sold there.
[[/quoteblock]Fanfic.Pokemon X Nimja Play The Game
- Aluminum Christmas Trees: Nimja exists! Though he’s not a Mew, obviously.
[[/quoteblock]]Recap.Pokemon S 1 E 53 The Purrfect Hero
Music.Hanzel Und Gretyl
Characters.Rurouni Kenshin The Ten Swords
WebOriginal.Tendies Stories
WesternAnimation.Big Hero 6
WebAnimation.Hunter The Parenting
Film.How The Grinch Stole Christmas
Literature.Great Expectations
Series.The Spanish Princess
Literature.Geronimo Stilton
Film.Scrooged
Film.Rules Of Engagement
WesternAnimation.Frozen II
Series.House Of Cards US
WesternAnimation.My Little Pony Equestria Girls Rainbow Rocks
Characters.Red Dead Redemption 2 Strangers And Other Minor Characters
VideoGame.AI The Somnium Files
Film.Mother Of Tears
Fanfic.The Chronicles Of Karai Getting Her Shit Together
Video Game.Gloomwood
Film.Robin Hood 2010
ComicStrip.Prickly City
(This one is on the part of the writer rather than the audience, but I think it still counts)
Trivia.Enders Game
Recap.Yu Gi Oh Anime S 4 E 162 On The Wrong Track 3
VideoGame.Super Mario Sunshine
Literature.Harry Potter And The Philosophers Stone
Characters.Batwoman
VideoGame.Warriors Legends Of Troy
Main.Saturday Morning Cartoon
Main.Spelling Bee
Characters.Elden Ring Outer Gods
CelebrityParadox.Western Animation
Main.Not Making This Up Disclaimer
Main.Companion Cube
Main.The Problem With Pen Island
Main.El Spanish O
Main.Technology Marches On
Funny.Vinesauce Joel
YMMV.Twenty Four
Characters.Warhammer Other Factions
PlayingWith.Little Known Facts
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 7:16:39 AM
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