Needs Help: Portal Door

From the Image Pickin' thread on the trope.

Most people think this is a Cool Gate duplicate, while I think it's "Doors as Teleporters" with an unclear description.

In either case, this has issues and needs to be fixed, for the Image Pickin' to be resolved.

Wick Check at Sandbox.Portal Door.

Edited by Malady on Mar 26th 2020 at 2:53:43 AM

Sorry for the wait, ~MaLady. Opened for discussion.

Merge with Cool Gate.

We already have The Lonely Door for when the portal is an actual door.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 12th 2020 at 3:31:35 AM

Edit: never mind. BTW, I support it.

Edited by petersohn on May 12th 2020 at 1:01:24 PM

^^ Would The Lonely Door cover doors that are built into houses? If yes, the name is quite misleading. If no, where would such cases◊ go?

I don't think it does. My main point is that Portal Door isn't actually door-exclusive, unlike The Lonely Door, so it's redundant with Cool Gate, whose examples don't have to be inherently cool-looking (according to the description, the name is because the fact that they exist is what's cool). Even the description of Portal Door says it "can be a Cool Gate", while Cool Gate calls Portal Door a subtrope.

Edit:

From Portal Door's description:

From Cool Gate's description:

Which implies that Portal Door can be "any kind of gate" and not just a standard-looking door, which is what Cool Gate already is. Sounds like a Distinction Without a Difference.

Edit: While Cool Gate's wick count isn't too much higher than Portal Door's, the former was launched in 2008 while the latter was launched in 2011. I suppose we could redefine Portal Door to be door-exclusive, but the wick check shows more "any kind of gate" examples than "non-lonely door" examples, though the wick check also says evidence is needed for whether the doors are mundane-looking. For example, I checked and the first "door as portal" wick in the wick check (on Bar Full of Aliens) doesn't actually say what the door/gate looks like.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 12th 2020 at 6:59:58 AM

Bumping this since it was pushed down the list by more active threads.

I think there is merit in just fixing the relationship between both tropes (make them sister tropes) and clean up the examples. The difference being:

• Portal Door: A (non-standalone) door acting as a portal besides its primary purpose as a regular door.
• Cool Gate: Any non-door-style portal (practically any opening that doesn't look like it ever had another use outside portalling) not falling in any other related trope like Portal Book or Portal Pool

Optionally, look for rename options for Cool Gate. Coolness is no qualifier.

Edited by eroock on May 18th 2020 at 9:38:52 AM

I'm fine with rewriting Portal Door to be about the use of doors as portals; I'm assuming that would make it a supertrope to The Lonely Door.

Yepp

There's already a super/sub relationship here. There's no need to make Cool Gate exclude any category of portals. I wouldn't be opposed to renaming Cool Gate, if evidence can be collected that Cool Gate has been misused. I do agree with making Portal Door a supertrope to The Lonely Door.

• Cool Gate: all portals
• Portal Door: all doors that function as portals
• The Lonely Door: a door that functions as a portal, but isn't attached to any walls.

I'm also against changing Cool Gate's definition, and I also don't think changing its name should be a priority unless someone can show that there's a problem with that trope.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2020 at 5:54:00 AM

Keeping Cool Gate as a supertrope is fine by me as well.

Then the task is to get the definition for Portal Door right and clean up pages that use both terms interchangeably. There is considerable overlap. Potential candidates:

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Edited by eroock on May 20th 2020 at 9:21:57 AM

Went ahead and made a crowner with the proposal of doors as portals. I also added an option to rename in case others think it would be necessary.

Edit: Added the option to merge with Cool Gate, since I forgot that originally.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 23rd 2020 at 6:41:07 AM

Crowner just says Rename. Rename Portal Door?

Edited by eroock on May 27th 2020 at 7:55:56 AM

I put "What should be done with Portal Door?" in the header, so yes. Either way, I tweaked the option to include the trope name in its own text.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 24th 2020 at 7:33:33 AM

I've made changes to the description but haven't started on the examples yet. I can work on it tomorrow for at least awhile. [Edit: A-G on "related to" complete]

Edited by crazysamaritan on Jul 22nd 2020 at 1:14:05 PM

Next to do is the Literature section.

Literature section done. Manga is next.

Cleaned more, at Recap now.

Recap done

Cleaned down to VideoGames/ (exclusive)

I've gone through all the wicks!