Is this an example?

I believe this falls into playing with YMMV, correct? From YMMV.Steven Universe The Movie:

• Moral Event Horizon: Spinel very nearly crosses it when she seeks to take out her rage and frustration in being abandoned by killing every single living organic being on Earth by hijacking an injector filled with bio-poison.

and : It's been removed.

Edited by MyFinalEdits on Dec 13th 2019 at 9:34:35 AM

Right. There's no "nearly" crossing the MEH. It's purely subjective.

YMMV.Halo Reach:

• Porting Disaster: The version of the game for The Master Chief Collection has significantly worse audio quality than the original game, making gunfire lose much of its impact and rendering teammates talking over comms in the campaign unintelligible.

According to the Porting Disaster main page, it has to be buggy or broken to qualify. I removed this entry because it doesn’t really seem that way if there’s only a couple of kinks in the port like that. Besides, 343i did say they were going to resolve it, though it might take some time. Probably something with the audio encoding from the original game that made porting it difficulty.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Dec 14th 2019 at 4:43:06 PM

As the only entry on that page, either we move to NightmareFuel.Dust Five One Four or we cut. Given the response that makes it seem not at all Nightmare Fuel, not sure if it counts.

YMMV.Dust Five One Four

Take it to the Nightmare Fuel cleanup thread. The natter has to go, in any case.

There's a whole Berserk Button page for One Piece and I don't think some of these are right:

As each member of the Straw Hat Pirates has a lifelong ambition, disrespecting these dreams are the easiest way to piss them off.

• The whole Straw Hat Crew:
  • Don't treat people like garbage or that they are somehow beneath you. A good chunk of the crew have suffered this at one time or another and won't tolerate people that act this way. Just ask the World Noble that Luffy sent flying with a punch.
  • Harming a member of the crew is enough to piss the rest off. The Franky Family learned that the hard way.
• Monkey D. Luffy:
  • Don't touch his Nice Hat (a memento from his idol).
  • Don't disrespect the title of Pirate King (it's okay if you lay honest claim to it; he'll see you as a Worthy Opponent instead).
  • Don't disrespect the Jolly Roger by stealing or defacing it. Wapol learned this one the hard way.
  • Don't steal his food, especially when it's meat, his Trademark Favorite Food (he's a justifiable Big Eater).
  • Don't insult his mentor Shanks. Shanks lost an arm to save Luffy's life, inspired him to become a pirate, and gave him the trademark straw hat as a promise to meet again once Luffy was a great pirate.
• Roronoa Zoro:
  • Do not disrespect his dream or the idea of fulfilling a promise (his ambition to be the best swordsman in the world is a promise he made in memory of Kuina).
  • Do not make light of Luffy's ambitions in his presence. He made a pledge to serve him and he intends to keep that pledge.
  • Sanji, period.
• Nami:
  • Do not spend any money without consulting Nami first.
  • Do not steal anything from her, especially if she stole it first.
  • Crewmates acting stupid in front of her tend to make her pull out the Armor Piercing Punch.
• Usopp:
  • The Lovable Coward who would rather run away than fight, even post-Time Skip. But if you insult Luffy in front of him, you're doomed; he may be the weakest of the Straw Hats, but he's still a One-Man Army when he needs to be, and like Zoro, he won't put up with insults to his captain. Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas found this out the hard way, after hitting him with enough force to kill a normal human a thousand times over.
  • Mocking his father Yassop is a quick way to piss him off. Kuro earned a punch in the face for disrespecting Yassop in front of Usopp.
• Sanji:
  • Sanji's biggest berserk button is when anyone wastes food, including using food to fight with. He and Old Man Zeff almost died of starvation when Sanji was a child and before that he used to feed the poor despite the punishments his family threw on him, so this one's very understandable.
  • He won't stand for it if somebody insults his cooking.
  • His original wanted poster had an ugly composite sketch. Bringing it up was bound to draw Death Glares from him.
  • Do not bring up Kamabakka. Remembering his two years in "hell" are enough to ignite in rage and/or open up a king-sized can of kick-ass.
  • Don't say that Sanji is incapable of protecting anyone. Doing so is a one-way ticket to finding his boot planted on your face.
  • Any and all things tied to the name Vinsmoke will send him into an incredible Tranquil Fury. He's long since settled down at the agony he went through, which is why he reacts so quietly, but pushing the subject enough will send flying him into a rage.
  • Do not disrespect, hurt, or insult women in front of him. Especially Nami.
  • Zoro, period.
• Tony Tony Chopper:
  • Do not make light of medicine, and don't be a doctor who's Only in It for the Money. Learning this from Dr. Hogback really pissed him off.
  • Do not harm a child in his presence.
  • Being Caesar Clown.
• Nico Robin:
  • Do not disrespect history, and especially do not destroy it, as she demonstrates on Yama in the Skypiea arc. Her goal is to seek out the truth about the Void Century which has been lost in time, so she honestly thinks there is much at stake.
  • She also gets angry when people talk about her past and why she got her bounty (either because it touches on the first reason, destroying history, or because of the Blatant Lies told about her to keep the world turned against her)
• Franky:
  • Do not take his speedo or do anything to dent his macho image.
  • Do not deny your own creation.
  • Do not hurt Robin. Ever.
  • Never attack the Franky Family. Ever.
• Brook:
  • Brook's afro is precious to him as it is the last defining feature he has that his old friend Laboon can recognize him by. So... Nobody Touches the Hair!
  • Do not make light of life, as Brook's is intimately aware of the fact he's living a second life.
  • Another one that's Played for Laughs: in One Piece Film: Strong World when man-eating ants ignore Brook because he was considered "leftovers", he angrily states it was "a bit inconsiderate" and proceeds to cut all the ants down. This Berserk Button is pushed again in Chapter 682, when the little dragon from Punk Hazard looked disappointed that Brook didn't have any meat on his bones. This actually serves as a minor plot point, as it reveals that Kinemon also hates dragons, but for a much darker reason. Unsurprisingly, however, when he comes across animals who have a taste for bones, he's not any happier.

• Buggy's big red nose is a bit of a sticking point for him. If it even sounds like you're mocking it, he'll fly into a rage and/or attempt to kill you. Luffy insulted it twice, and one time he had a knife thrown at him and the other time he had a cannonball fired at him. Both attacks failed.
• Averted by Hatchan when Zoro cuts his hair. He... decides to forgive Zoro because it's only hair and it'll grow back.
• Whether he's falsely convicted of a crime he didn't commit, or stabbed by a spear, Tom's a rather jolly fellow. But disowning a ship that you built will enrage him.
• Gekko Moria has two notable ones. First is his old crew of True Companions, who were massacred by Kaido; just thinking about it is enough to provoke a Villainous Breakdown. Almost as big of one is stating, or even just implying, that he's weak, which stems from the same incident.
• If anybody mocked Eustass "Captain" Kid's dreams about becoming the pirate king, he wouldn't hesitate to straight out kill them for that. It's how his bounty got that huge, he just kept killing people whose only mistake was dismissing it. Challenging him about it seems to be fine, however; he respects the sort of will it takes to tell him, right in his face, that you will be the Pirate King instead, which is why Luffy didn't set him off.
• Bartolomeo, a character who first appeared in the Dressrosa arc, was introduced as a rude, Ax-Crazy Jerkass. It's bad enough if you provoke him at all, but he absolutely worships Luffy; say one bad word against him in this fanboy's hearing, and it will be the last thing you ever say. Seriously- he'll cut your tongue out!
• Kelly Funk from the Dressrosa arc, a boxer short in stature and temper with prodigious strength but no endurance at all. Call him shrimp or anything of the sort, and he'll pummel you within an inch of your life. As for the "no endurance" part that makes him less than a threat to those who are at least as strong as he, his Devil Fruit powers let him merge with his brother, a Gentle Giant with a ridiculously strong and sturdy body. When that happens, the threat level skyrockets.
• Donquixote Doflamingo has a notable one: People who bear the name of D. While pissed at the Celestial Dragons, he is very familiar with their beliefs and deep inside, still is one, and he knows at the very least that D means the person bearing it will inevitably be his enemy. That, and the tales that painted them as destructive boogeymen still have a hold over him; people bearing the D are his antithesis.
  • Trafalgar Law. The one thing that Doflamingo resents above all else is the fact that Law chose others over him, his "true benefactor", and has continuously betrayed him time and again. When Law revealed that he was a D, Doflamingo snapped, disregarding all his previous ambitions regarding Law in favor of putting bullets into him.
• Pica, one of Doflamingo's enforcers, is a giant of a man with a helium voice that doesn't match him in the least. Point this out in earshot, and you will be Buried Alive. You can consider yourself lucky if one of Doffy's other enforcers just shoots you dead before Pica can get to you.
• Trafalgar Law, of all people, has a massive one. If you're ever dumb enough to insult—or god forbid hurt— Donquixote "Corazon" Rocinante, Law will make your life hell. Just ask Doflamingo, who murdered Corazon (his younger brother no less) and had the gall to laugh about it to Law's face.
  • Also, Law does not take it well whenever someone insults or threatens his crew. After Shinobu accused Bepo, Shachi, and Penguin (who've been captured) of spilling the details of the Alliance's now-leaked plans to the enemy, Law furiously insists that his crew would rather die than betray them and that she shouldn't insult them, states that he'll prove this to her after they're rescued, and gives her a massive Death Glare when she states that captured alliance members should just be killed to keep them from talking. Shinobu's extremely lucky that Kanjuro stepped in when he did, or it's very likely that Law would've sliced her to pieces otherwise.
• Jack has one simple but very deadly button- do what he instructs you to do or face total ruination. You can't talk your way out of it- you MUST do as he says or he will bring on the destruction like you've never seen before. Specifically, even suggesting the possibility of talking things out will get you murdered on the spot.
  I didn't come here to talk
• Carrot, the rabbit Mink, has one towards her carrots. Don't eat them… unless you want to get mauled, as Luffy learned the hard way.
• Charlotte Linlin, AKA Big Mom has loads of these, and ALL of them result in Disproportionate Retribution:
  • Betraying and/or leaving her family and/or crew. She doesn't just cut the offender off- she wipes out anything and everything ever tied to them and punishes those individuals as well. Even coming to her formally about leaving her crew will make her force you into a roulette where you decide how much of your body or lifespan you lose before you can leave - and the game is rigged to kill you every time.
  • Refusing to feed her sweets when she wants them or not having them exactly when and where she wants them.
  • Destroying her sweets before she gets the chance to eat them.
  • Stealing her treasures.
  • Attempting to copy the Poneglyphs she possesses and abscond off with the information.
  • Attacking one of her crewmates/family, the Sweet Commanders in particular, results in practically the whole crew, high-tier bounties and all, launching a revenge strike. Unless you have a very good excuse for doing so, such whoever you attacked was A: making her look bad, B: insubordinate, C: actively betraying her, or D: All Of The Above.
  • Not coming to her tea party results in a loved one's head mailed to you in a box.
  • Giants and the mention thereof. Due to some childhood incidents souring them on her, followed by an utter failure of an Arranged Marriage, she's very sour on having lost the chance to ally with them.
  • Her biggest one- harming Mother Carmel's photo results in a manic and paralyzing bellow of Conqueror's Haki and the woman completely losing her mind for several seconds.
  • By far, her most dangerous one- being in her way when she's in the middle of a demented hunger pang. It gets whole scores of people killed.
• Charlotte Katakuri, one of the aforementioned Big Mom's most powerful children and her top lieutenant, cultivates a dark, brooding, aloof image, but loves sweets just as much as anyone else and happily gorges on them. He also has More Teeth than the Osmond Family beneath that scarf, which he's terribly ashamed of. Thus, his snack-times are sacred and carried out in secret; interruptions will be met with deadly force, and anyone who sees the teeth dies. Oh, and if you see him dueling another, stay the hell out. Even if you're family, and intervening in his favor, he'll call a truce to knock you out so they can fight fairly.
• Urashima, Wano's Yokozuna (sumo champion), attempts to hug his Love Interest Kiko in an embrace...only for her to avoid the hug and cut off his topknot, described to be a Yokozuna's "pride". He becomes completely enraged, and goes from wanting to marry Kiko to wanting to kill her in the blink of an eye.
• Wano's Shogun Kurozumi Orochi hates being laughed at, especially when he talks about the curse of the Kozuki Clan. He's even willing to murder a child that laughs at him.
• Queen "the Plague" is a jolly man, in a Faux Affably Evil way at worst, and also knows his stuff when it comes to matchups he can't win. However, threatening his oshiruko stocks will sour his mood tremendously and get you attacked no matter who you are; he tried to throw hands with Big Mom when she absentmindedly said she wanted to eat them (he lost, but still).

I can tell you right off the bat that anything that would get someone reasonably upset in real life has to go, as Berserk Button is for the minor stuff that sets someone off irrationally, not something like "don't hurt their friends" because...I mean... it's a pretty normal thing to get upset over...

Also in Nami's page:

• Black Magician Girl: Nami has all the trimmings of this due to her Clima-Tact: she's the weakest of the crew in a physical fight, but she's able to control weather effects as though they're magic spells being cast from a staff (with lightning being her specialty, although she's more than proficient with heat, wind, cold, water, sea clouds, and illusory techniques as well). Some of her opponents have even referred to her as a witch in response to her fighting style.

Ok, I guess I can get some of the "reasonable stuff" out.

- Black Magician Girl I'm not sure on the specifics of, but at least the Sorcery Clima-Tact plays into the witch / mage idea at least.

The Laconic, and the need to differentiate it from Black Mage, seems to imply the need for a specific... energetic / aggressive personality to match the attack magic. Does she have it?

Edited by Malady on Dec 15th 2019 at 11:35:58 AM

Nami fights through the use of fantastical science, which some would argue is the same as magic.

She's also the hotheaded type.

• Harsher in Hindsight: When Frosty asks Hocus if he has any ideas on who could get him safely to the North Pole and Karen back home safely, Hocus first suggests (by way of imitations) the Marines and then the President of the United States, both of which are shot down by Frosty. While this is Played for Laughs in the special, it becomes harsher in hindsight when one takes into account that the original special aired in 1969, when The Vietnam War was still going on with no end in sight, no real progress after four years of American ground troops' involvement, and anti-war sentiments at home reaching a fever pitch. To make matters worse, the special aired three years before the Watergate break-in with the ensuing scandal forcing Nixon to resign from office in 1974.

From Frosty the Snowman. I'm... genuinely unsure what it's even trying to say. Mentioning the army and president is harsh because... war exists and presidents sometimes do bad things?

Even if we were for the sake of argument to grant the example's frankly nutsballs premise that frosty the m************ snowman was making a satirical anti-establishment point about then-current events, that still wouldn't be harsher in hindsight.

The shoehorn is real. Motion to cut.

I don’t know if the clima tact is like a magic wand and I don’t know if a dark magic girl has to have magical powers. Nami is a normal human.

Can Muggle with a Degree in Magic count a Depowered magician/super person whose knowledge is useful to others?

Is Agioktis, Martyr Mind from Destiny 2 an example of We Named the Monkey "Jack"?

For context, Agioktis was the Hero Killer of legendary figure Saint-14 (until a Stable Time Loop of sorts eventually breaks him out of that state), after which the Vex built a tomb for him out of respect - something that would be so extraordinarily unlikely to happen, given their amoral programming. As it turns out, "Agioktis" is the Greek word for "saint."

I'm thinking this would be an example of the trope, but I'm not sure if it's played with in any way due to the name being in a different language but ultimately translating to the dead person's name anyways.

e: Another translation for the name is "void/midnight saint," which would likely reference Saint-14 using the void-based Sentinel subclass and the related buff Starless Night. With this translation, does this trope still count in any capacity?

Edited by TrocyteV on Dec 17th 2019 at 9:03:02 AM

Who is the monkey in this scenario?

The Martyr Mind would be the monkey, being named Agioktis as Villain Respect for Saint while still falling within the Vex's normal naming conventions (being heavily based in the Greek language.)

Is it an animal companion? If so, that needs to be made clear in the example text. Right now it's a mess of proper nouns that means nothing to anyone not already familiar with the work.

It's not, it's a robot that serves as a boss fight. "Named after a Worthy Opponent" seems like it should be a trope, but i don't know if that's it

FranchiseKiller.Video Games:

• Advance Wars: Days of Ruin effectively put the kibosh on the Nintendo Wars series. Days of Ruin attempted to breathe some fresh air into the perpetually bright and cheerful franchise by transplanting it into a more dismal, post-apocalyptic environment, with a much heavier emphasis on story (previous installments, if they even had a story, amounted to little more than "Black Hole is trying to conquer Wars World, go stop them"). The reception from both critics and players was lukewarm at best, and as a result, the Wars series hasn't seen a new installment in over a decade. However, the surprise success of Spiritual Successor Wargroove has given some hope that Nintendo has taken notice and might resurrect the franchise in the near future.

But under Trivia.Nintendo Wars:

• Orphaned Series: The last game in the series proper was Days of Ruin, released all the way back in early 2008.note There hadn't been a peep out of the franchise until June 2017, in which we finally get an explanation: Thanks to the success of Fire Emblem and its relationship system, a producer at Nintendo wants to integrate something similar into this series but isn't sure how to do it successfully.

Should I remove the Franchise Killer since the reasoning is contradicted by the official response, which is the lack of games isn't due to Days of Ruin but the success of their other series?

Does it qualify for Urban Legend of Zelda if the rumor is "Latest Installment changed Mechanic to work like such-and-such", and the truth is "Mechanic in Franchise has always worked like such-and-such, Latest Installment just plays such that you're far more likely to notice this fact"?

On the one hand, the playerbase does believe something confirmably false. On the other hand, they're completely correct as to how it works in Latest Installment.

That doesn't seem to fit the spirit of the trope. It doesn't sound like an urban legend, just a misconception. Is there a specific situation you're thinking of?

Edited by HighCrate on Dec 18th 2019 at 1:50:04 AM

Yeah, I've had to remove a few edits on Pokémon Sword and Shield because people think the obedience mechanic got nerfed. I put a comment on the discussion page hoping to forestall further such edits, but people don't usually check those...

But at this point it might not yet be widespread enough to count even if it fits the trivia item.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Dec 18th 2019 at 4:08:51 AM