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openCouldn't we have talked about this some first?
I have issues with the fact that Brainulator9 and Piterpicher have been mass-deleting potholes from "The Reason You Suck" Speech without discussing it first. No visit to the dedicated quotes thread, no use of the page's discussion page, no visit to ATT, not even personal messages to anyone who's been editing that page on and off such as myself asking us to dial back on the potholes, just a purge of the square brackets. I've had these issues for a while, but I've waited this long because I didn't want to talk about it in a knee-jerk, angry shouting match way. I've let the initial reactions fade out and am prepared to talk about them politely and courteously now.
I'm not saying they're wrong, but sweeping, zero-tolerance edits like this have massive impacts on how a page appears and this isn't the right way to compress an overly-long page. I already suggested breaking the page down into smaller, dedicated quotes pages on the thread and didn't get a lot of objections. Wouldn't that be better?
In any case, I'm paging both to come here at their nearest convenience. Let's all keep this civil.
openWeird TLP format borking?
Something weird happened to the formatting on Dark Parody, but I can't figure out how. According to the editing screen, everything is in order.
openDoes this count as a work?
Not sure where I should ask this, but does the Penguins of Madagascar "don't say the N-word" video count as a tropable work? On one end, it's not the sort of the thing that would typically, but it does have a story, so to speak. For what it's worth, we have a page on Garfielf.
Edited by Brainulator9openWhere to create a trope page
Where can I create a trope page for a work that doesn't have one? I want to create a trope page for As you Wish,Prince Kmanga on Tappytoons
Edited by P5Joker23openWhy is the trope finder icon a trash can?
It's weird and not exactly welcoming for those who are looking for a lost trope;
openUsing this wiki as a placeholder in Playing With?
OK, so using "trope" as a placeholder is frowned upon, but in the Playing With Wiki, people have been seen using "trope" and "troper" as placeholders, especially in hypothetical titles, and using This Very Wiki as an example of a "thing" (for instance, Planet of Hats has "they all love this Wiki" as the "hat".)
openAversion Example to Delete?
Found this entry on Anime & Manga. Should I delete it?
"Surprisingly averted in Shokugeki no Soma: While cooking is incredibly serious business within Tootsuki, it is recognized that gourmet food is a niche interest outside that limited sphere, and the people who take it seriously do so because they are within that niche, but most of the world couldn't care less. Even the most obsessive cooks never consider cooking to be a goal in itself, but always have another goal in mind and consider food to be a stepping stone towards that goal. The ones that actually do consider food to be the most important thing in existence (Eishi, Azami, young Joichirou, Akira during his tenure at Central) are seen as maladjusted at best, and teetering on the brink of insanity at worst. Soma, the most competitive of the lot, at one points stands to lose his culinary career, but rather sanguinely points out that as a driven, reasonably intelligent sixteen-year-old, he could do a lot of other things with his life than cook, and losing his chosen career would be a heavy blow but hardly a crippling one. Nearly all the main characters are shown to have hobbies and other interests. Isshiki is an organic gardener of growing repute, Yuuki a skilled hunter, Ryoko experiments with brewing, Megumi plays table tennis, Hisako and Ryou take care of their respective charges, Nene plays the zither and is a skilled calligrapher, Senzaemon works out rather obsessively, Azami takes time off to ski and practice iaido, Miyoko is the star of Tootsuki's basketball team and even Erina "God Tongue" Nakiri enjoys afternoons in bed reading romance manga."
openDisambiguation of work names Literature
I've drafted a page for Isaac Asimov's "The General", part of his Foundation series. However, there's already a page called The General, a series by David Drake and S. M. Stirling.
Year would be a poor method of disambiguation, but Dr Asimov's story was originally published as "Dead Hand". Would it be acceptable to violate the "most recent name" rule to make it easier to disambiguate between the two work pages? If not, should I disambiguate by formats (Novella vs series)? Should I use different terms to disambiguate (Asimov vs Series)?
UPDATE: I'll be launching "The General" within a week. Edited by crazysamaritan
openComplainy WMG
On WMG.Rugrats, a troper believes that the episodes after the Alien Episode had a "decline in quality" and so made a theory that they're just Angelica's hallucinations. Is that allowed?
openFurther splitting of pages alphabetically
The TroubledProduction.Film 0 To L page started sparking the "This page is too long" warning at some point, so I've split the titles into TroubledProduction.Film 0 To G, TroubledProduction.Film H To N, and TroubledProduction.Film O To Z, complete with changing the index listings.
My question, then, is what happens to the old pages (TroubledProduction.Film 0 To L, TroubledProduction.Film M To Z). They appear to have too many inbounds to be cut (0 to L has over 1500, M to Z has nearly 900); should they be turned into redirects?
Edited by mlsmithcaopenBumping old reviews
Bright Light has spent the last few days bumping old reviews and responding to old comments.
openAvengers: Age of Ultron Nightmare Fuel page Film
Why was the Nightmare Fuel page for Avengers: Age of Ultron cut? Personally, I felt it had excellent examples.
openCampo Santo and Firewatch: Never Live it Down? Videogame
I know that it's been a long time (2 years in fact!), but ever since that thing with Pew Die Pie and Campo Santo, are they still overshadowed by the fact that they broke their blanket permission for allowing Let's Plays for their game Firewatch? Yes I understand the context behind it, but I saw a mention of it in a thread about Half Life: Alyx. If they are still overshadowed, does Never Live It Down or Overshadowed by Controversy best describe the situation?
openGod of Evil
Almost a year ago, a very large number of examples on the God of Evil page were deleted with the reason "So many 'not actually Evil as the prime part of their portfolio, but mean and nasty things' and Satanic Archetype examples..." That seems like an overly literal interpretation of the trope, focusing only on the first line of the description, when in fact the description specifically mentions the Satanic Archetype and a broad array of other traits.
Obviously this is too old for me to just PM the troper in question or have the page reverted, but can I just manually add back the examples?
open sci fi tv show Live Action TV
this episode of a sc fi tv show a group of people visit this town uses drug users as workers. the drug is so powerful one hit and u are hooked for life. this show was in the 80's or early 90's
open Please ignore. Literature
Please ignore. I posted this the wrong place. As my apology, let me deliver a book recommendation: Bone by Jeff Smith. A wonderful comic for all ages.
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenClarification about merging or splitting game pages Videogame
So, I have been doing more game indexation recently, and I noted that Khugol had split the Splinter Cell page into separate pages for every entry in the series. The results are pretty underwhelming; at best, the pages have 10 or 11 tropes, barely bypassing the threshold for Works Needing Tropes note That page should totally be in the Administrivia namespace, but that's for another day; at worst, they have 4, like the last three, which is very much stub-grade, and practically worthless. In theory, there may be more ground to expand all these from someone dedicated fan, but let's be honest, it's probably not happening, and I believe it's best to merge it all back to how it was.
While this event is what prompted the ATT, there have actually been quite a few game pages I have been considering as possible merge candidates, and would like to request consensus on them as well.
- Outbreak + its four sequels/spin-offs. I think it's an extremely clear-cut merge case: even the main game only has 6 tropes and the rest are at 4-5, which often duplicate anyway.
- Clyde's Adventure + Clyde's Revenge: the original has only 8 tropes, the sequel has 22 (though there's already some overlap, and I believe many of sequel's tropes apply to the original anyway.)
- White Noise Online + White Noise 2 - the original has 8 tropes, the sequel has 14.
- Post Mortem + Still Life + Still Life 2 - a trilogy, where the first is at 11 tropes, second at 51 (including practically all of the original's tropes), and the final one is at 47 (again some overlap).
- Nights of Azure + Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon - the original has 80+ tropes, the sequel around 40, and nearly all of them overlap (plus a description that would likely need trimming either way).
- Kessen + Kessen II + Kessen III - an unusual case, in that the original has 23 tropes, the sequel double that, and the threequel double that still (not accounting for possible overlap.)
- Shivers + Shivers Two: Harvest of Souls - the original has almost a 100 tropes, the sequel 21 (and apparently its plot is unrelated).
In addition, there are also thorny cases where we ended up with pages for sequels (and often quite extensive ones), yet nothing for originals; examples I found include Asteka II: Templo del Sol and Zwei: The Ilvard Insurrection. I believe in these cases a "reverse merge" is also in order.
November 19th edit: More examples where merge could prove useful.
- Runaway: A Road Adventure + Runaway 2: The Dream of the Turtle + Runaway A Twist Of Fate. The first two have ~15 tropes, but there's both overlapping ones and ZCEs. The third only has 3 that either overap or are ZCE grade.
- Citizens of Earth + Citizens of Space - the former has around 40 tropes, but the latter only has 3.
- Home Alone (Sega) and Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (Sega): one has 16 tropes, the other 12.
- Black Home + Black Home 2: the former has 15 tropes, the latter 30, but there's some overlap.
- Criminal Girls and Criminal Girls 2: Party Favors: the former has 60, the latter 15, with a large overlap.
- Alphadia Genesis + Alphadia Genesis 2 - merging the other Alphadia games is probably inadvised, but these two have a pretty big disparity (40+ vs. 12 tropes)
openSubtitled video has watermark
On a video I may plan on uploading, I added translations and subtitles to it myself (because no English subs exist, and I can understand Mandarin Chinese) with Kapwing.com—which has a watermark on the top-right of the screen. Is it okay to upload it anyway?
The film is released now. Having it sit as a dead page seems untoward.