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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#214451: May 22nd 2020 at 9:29:08 PM

Lighty's shed a bit more light on this personally to me, so I'm happy to say yes to the Duke.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#214452: May 22nd 2020 at 9:35:05 PM

[tup] Duke as well.

Anyway, happy birthday Duck. Sorry it came so late, but I was doing some stuff and now just finished the second of those Higurashi: When They Cry movies you recommended. Sadly, I have no EP to show for it, as the films are straight adaptations of the first and sixth arcs respectively, so no new content.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
TheMadCr0w Gentle Laborer from Insignificant Little Blue Planet Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
Gentle Laborer
#214453: May 22nd 2020 at 11:34:35 PM

  • Outpost:
    • Doctor Klausener is the mastermind behind the events of the trilogy. A former Untersturmführer and Mad Scientist with delusions of power, Klausener conducted twisted human experiments and built a revolutionary machine in a failed attempt to create a generation of Super Soldiers. Several years after the end of the war, the old and crippled Klausener leads a Fourth Reich conspiracy to release his subjects from the now-abandoned secret facility, sacrificing mercenaries and their backup team to achieve his goals. Unleashing the undead army on war-torn Yugoslavia, Klausener's machinations force NATO to consider nuking the area with thousands of people still inside to save the rest of Europe. In the end, Klausener plans on replicating his machine in modern day.
    • Brigadeführer Götz is the cold-blooded leader of the undead army, lacking the animalistic savagery of his fellow zombies and retaining his strategic nature after his transformation. A known camp commandant involved with the experiments, Götz poses as the sole survivor of the facility while his soldiers quietly assassinate the mercenaries before launching an attack to kill the remaining men but keeping one of them alive in constant agony, linking him to the machine to expand the electromagnetic field and allow his soldiers to rampage further. Starting his crusade by wiping out the soldiers that arrived to investigate the area, Götz and his army slaughter countless combatmen and civilians across Yugoslavia, children included, going as far as to decorate his lair with the corpses of his victims and running some experiments of his own.
    • Standartenführer Strasser is the officer in charge of personally supervising the experiments for Klausener, openly embracing death and enjoying his own cruelty. Strasser treats his own men as guinea pigs in many trials of the super soldier program—which involves burning out neural pathways until their heads potentially explode—casually dismissing their brutal deaths while turning penal conscripts and other victims into zombified attack dogs for the Nazis, even setting them on POWs to slaughter them with impunity in his own Gladiator Games. Uncaring towards the soldiers under his command, Strasser simply leaves them to die to give him enough time to flee on his own after recklessly releasing the zombies.

Klausener was ironically the lowest-ranking Nazi despite his overall importance in the plot.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on May 22nd 2020 at 3:37:14 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#214454: May 22nd 2020 at 11:47:59 PM

[tup] Strasser, Ragniel, the Duke and Y'golonac.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214455: May 22nd 2020 at 11:57:34 PM

Yes to the Duke I guess.

Having read it for Helen, YES to fucking Y'golonac (I'm gonna have to find a way to work that into Helen's expansion [lol]). The fact Y'gy was impressed by Helen says something about her more than it does him.

Nobody else in Children keeps, BTW. Some of the Children are—debatably—heinous enough, but they seemed to care for Helen, one seemed to actually think he was doing good, they were warped by her if nothing else, and one has a Heel–Face Turn at the end.

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VeryVileVillian (Apprentice)
#214456: May 23rd 2020 at 12:58:28 AM

[tup]The Duke and Y'golonac

Here are my Witchblade crossover writeups:

Vampirella/Witchblade: The Feast: Rod Sterling is unofficial head of J. Holmes Modeling Agency, who discovered a magic camera, which allowed him to steal the souls of innocent women to keep himself immortal and young. Having J. Holmes himself find and prepare the women for him by promosing them the model career, Rod hires some people to track down the vampire for him and cut them apart, so he could make the "Eternal Slender" product from their meat and feed it to unsuspecting women, before he steals their souls and turn them into his undead slaves. Making a deal with other vampires, Rod feeds them his zombified models, so he could have them hunt down and harvested as well.

Lady Death/Medieval Witchblade: Queen Morrigan is a powerful dark sorceress, who took over the lands in the past. Turning her newfound kingdom into the dead wasteland, Queen terrorizes the population and when she hears of the prophecy that "Son of Light", the one who could end her reign, was about to be born, she round up hundreds of pregnant women and women with infants and tries to have them thrown into fiery pit. After Lady Death stopped that, Morrigan orders her knights to kill her, while she finds out the town where the supposed "Child of Light" should be born and burns it to the ground, along with all men, women and children inside. When she finds out that the true "Child of Light" is her stepdaughter, she immediatly tries to kill her, while attempting to spread her darkness across the world.

Witchblade/Red Sonja: Ragniel is one of the Fallen, angels who were cast down from Heavens after the Rebellion against God. Being freed by the mad wizard, Ragniel immediatly killed him and then, when Red Sonja refused to be his concubine, he forces her to fight against her deceased father, whom he ressurected. After being defeated and sealed away by Red Sonja, Ragniel eventually frees himself, forms a cult and has them commit ritualistic murders by skinning people alive. Tracking down the current wielder of the Witchblade, Ragniel zombified some of her fellow police officers and tries to force her to give up Witchblade, before he spitefully has her husband mortally wounded and declares his intention on kidnapping her infant daughter and having her breed the new race with which he intents to take over Heavens and Earth. When Sara Pezzini picked on his trail, Ragniel painfully transformed all his followers into the mindless monsters and sends them to kill Sara.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 23rd 2020 at 11:56:39 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#214457: May 23rd 2020 at 2:22:05 AM

[tup] Strasser, Ragniel, Duke and Y'gy

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#214458: May 23rd 2020 at 2:52:45 AM

For Urishtar's placement, ACW, she's just in the general DND setting. None of the fancy sub-settings.

  • Assault on Nightwyrm Fortress: Urishtar Nightwyrm is a black dragon that happened upon the fortress of the title during her exploration of the Shadowfell by the design of a being she suspects is plotting against the Raven Queen. In order to empower herself and the fortress itself, Urishtar diverts the path of souls in the Shadowfell to instead lure them into her clutches, whereupon Urishtar consumes or twists them for her own purposes. Urishtar hands off any problems—defined as anything from "denying Urishtar" to "failing to try harder"—to her sadistic Torture Technician Kailash, a rakashasa brutal even by the infamous standards of his kind. In her cruelest touch, Urishtar fertilizes her own eggs with captured souls, leaving the resultant hatchlings as stillborn abominations neither living or dead. Urishtar has seen herself displacing the Raven Queen itself and works endlessly toward this, no matter how many souls she has to rip from the cycle of life and death.

  • Vengeance of the Zombies: Kantaka is the twin brother of the Indian guru Krisna, who was lynched by a mob of rich families after he raped the daughter of one of these families to death. Left hideously burned but still alive, Kantaka perverted the knowledge he'd gained from voodoo teachings to raise an army of zombies, selecting the daughters of each family that had mobbed him to turn them into the living dead and have them exterminate their on families. Kantaka has scores of innocents butchered by his zombies alongside his targets, and has no hesitation murdering his own servants one after another when they start to turn against him, even killing his own brother in his efforts to become a god through a voodoo ritual.

Edited by Scraggle on May 23rd 2020 at 3:54:25 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214459: May 23rd 2020 at 3:12:05 AM

Yeah, after looking at it, I think Urishtar can go to "Other Settings", unless she's meant for multiple settings.

EDIT: Actually, scratch that. It looks like it's part of Nentir Vale, so I'll just slot her after the Baron.

Edited by ACW on May 23rd 2020 at 6:18:10 AM

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falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#214460: May 23rd 2020 at 3:19:56 AM

Yes to the Duke and Y'golonac.

Libraryseraph Showtime! from Canada (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#214462: May 23rd 2020 at 6:02:39 AM

Okay [tup]Duke.

Third for Alfred Molina. He was also Destiny and Ke-pa.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#214463: May 23rd 2020 at 6:22:27 AM

I'm holding my stance on the Duke until we get something more comprehensive on his qualifications.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
VeryVileVillian (Apprentice)
#214465: May 23rd 2020 at 7:40:05 AM

To help the voters get grasp of the tone and if The Duke is serious enough, here are some clips from Youtube, which involves The Wall sublot, Duke flooding The Wall, Tim becoming the new leader at the end of the arc and how Yumyulack shrinks people and put them in The Wall:

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#214466: May 23rd 2020 at 7:50:30 AM

I'm doing all the comic stuff separately, so here we go.

~Immi Thrax, you had some issues with the Deadpool stuff?


Main Comics Page
  • Camelot 3000: Morgan Le Fay is the wicked half-sister of King Arthur. Having manipulated the fall of Camelot, Morgan was banished through space and time, killing her way through multiple aliens to take control of their race and forcing their children to be her soldiers and Cannon Fodder. Raining death and destruction on Earth and attempting to torture and kill the reincarnated Knights of the Round Table, Morgan begins assassinating world leaders to establish her dominion before attempting to wipe out the Knights and kill whoever she needs to in order to rule the world.
  • Chaos! Comics:
    • Lucifer, Arch-Enemy of Lady Death, is the one who manipulates the latter's father Matthias into massacres and atrocities to eventually result in the corruption of Hope and her damnation to hell. Manipulating her from the start, Lucifer is also the one who keeps hell running as a place of damnation and agony, having countless souls tortured for fun and his own power. A Serial Rapist, Lucifer frequently marries women for a short time and disposes of them when he is done, later setting up a casino in Las Vegas to trick mortals into selling their souls, intending on making Earth into a new Hell with everything dead or tormented in his fires forever. Lucifer later steals souls bound for heaven, tricking them into blasphemy to damn them, before trying to claim God's throne and rape Lady Death to seal his victory.
    • Genocide is a conqueror who traverses the cosmos, massacring entire lands or worlds with his followers. A brutal nightmare of a Chaos Lord, Genocide cares nothing for the tenets of chaos beyond his own interpretations, gleefully assaulting Asgard and killing Odin while attempting to massacre the rest. When his own daughter Vex fails her mission, Genocide has her enslaved with no compunction in murdering her, later killing her mother Antigone for opposing him. From his fortress, Wrathworld, Genocide reveals his true plan: the Deathflash. Intending on blasting the Nexus of all things, and with his blasts consuming entire worlds, Genocide plans on triggering a horrific apocalypse throughout the universe, allowing everything to die in an instant that will last an agonizing eternity, with everything becoming as his name: Genocide.
    • Armageddon, one of the first Chaos Lords and the most powerful, is a being of such arrogance and power-thirst that even some of his fellow Chaos Lords are disgusted. Wishing to reduce reality to formless entropy with himself as its center, Armageddon waged the Chaos War against his fellow Chaos Lords, slaughtering many of them and many of their creations himself before being sealed in the Forever War. Once he's accidentally freed thirteen billion years later, Armageddon wastes no time in resuming his conquest, crash landing on Earth and swallowing all in his path. From there, Armageddon kills everything within 100 miles of himself before resurrecting them as tortured monsters, sending them to massacre hundreds of millions of people across the globe as he wreaks global destruction, regularly destroying the populace of massive cities—Los Angeles being simply one example. Armageddon spitefully exterminates thirty percent of the world's population after an ineffectual retaliation against him, tries to tempt Evil Ernie into unleashing a global nuclear holocaust, tortures and kills any and all resistance against him, and vows that all that shall not serve him will be exterminated, ultimately killing off all of Earth's population and resolving to obliterate all of reality to rule the ashes—and damning the universe to follow him into oblivion upon his death.
    • Lady Death/Medieval Witchblade, written by Brian Augustyn & Brian Pulido: Queen Morrigan is a powerful dark sorceress who took over the lands in the past. Turning her newfound kingdom into the dead wasteland, Queen terrorizes the population, and when she hears of the prophecy that the "Son of Light", the one who could end her reign, was about to be born, she rounded up hundreds of pregnant women and women with infants and tried to have them thrown into a fiery pit. After Lady Death stopped that, Morrigan orders her knights to kill her, while she finds out the town where the supposed "Child of Light" would be born and burns it to the ground, along with all men, women and children inside. When she finds out that the true "Child of Light" is her stepdaughter, she immediately tries to kill her, while attempting to spread her darkness across the world.
  • Tarzan: In the crossover with Red Sonja, written by Gail Simone, Eson Duul is a former Cimmerian who stole a sword of Sorrow after massacring its keeper's household. Obsessed with his own glory, Duul uses it to hunt heroes and legends across multitudes of worlds and times, slaughtering them and all they care about on grand scales. Not content with this, Duul hunts entire species to extinction, obsessed with never being outdone. Targeting Tarzan, Duul hunts down Tarzan's young grandson to murder him and slaughters all in his path, intending to enslave Tarzan's daughter-in-law. When Sonja and Tarzan hunt him to a lost world, Duul seeks to rally the primordial beings there to flood the surface and slaughter everything in their path so that Duul may reign supreme.
  • Vampirella:
    • Von Kreist, fascinated by the carnage he saw during World War I, made a Deal with the Devil in return for immortality, though he found his body began to decay as time went on. Giving his services to any vampire clan that would provide him with a fresh supply of victims, Von Kreist aided the vampires' efforts to reduce mankind to cattle. Taking the daughters of a Mafia boss hostage, Von Kreist forces him to choose which will live, only to shoot the one he chose; before ordering her to kill her father, turning the dead sister into a vampire and killing the living girl when she shows hesitance to do so. Also a horrific Serial Killer and rapist, a victim of Von Kreist is found with her eyes and mouth stitched shut and her arms and legs stitched together. His long list of victims includes children, as he crashed a damaged plane into a playground and casually threw a little girl off a bridge. Believed to be destroyed, Von Kreist is later resurrected into the body of one of Vampirella's close friends by his own descendant, which he uses to attempt to kill his grandson and then offer the life of his new body to forge an alliance with Dracula. A normal human aside from his immortality, Von Kreist was a monster who walked the Earth in the skin of a man, spreading suffering wherever he went.
    • Vampirella/Witchblade: The Feast, written by Justin Gray: Rod Sterling is the unofficial head of the J. Holmes Modeling Agency, who discovered a Magical Camera which allowed him to steal the souls of innocent women to keep himself immortal and young. Having J. Holmes himself find and prepare the women for him by promising them a model career, Rod hires some people to track down the vampire for him and cut them apart, so he could make the "Eternal Slender" product from their meat and feed it to unsuspecting women, before he steals their souls and turn them into his undead slaves. Making a deal with other vampires, Rod feeds them his zombified models, so he could have them hunt down and harvested as well.

Conan
  • Wonder Woman/Conan, written by Gail Simone:
    • The Corvidae sisters, Lila and Anive, are ancient immortals bored with most of existence. Finding joy in gambling, the duo set up friends, brothers or even nations to war against one another while they enjoy the duels. Helping to manage slave pits where fights to the death happen frequently, the duo attempt to set Conan and Diana to a deathmatch. When they refuse, the two decide to annihilate the city of Shamar and kill every last man, woman and child, even trying to have the slaves murdered before the heroes as an act of sheer spite.
    • The sadistic slaver Dellos is the chief minion of the Corvidae who forces slaves into duels to the death for the sake of bloodsport. A vicious murderer even outside the Corvidae's order, Dellos savagely abuses his slaves, forcing Conan and Wonder Woman to duel when he realizes Conan has mistaken Wonder Woman for his lost love. On the Corvidae's initiative, Dellos attempts to massacre every slave at the end, young and old.

DC
  • Wonder Woman:
    • Earth One: Hercules is a savage misogynist who is responsible for the trauma of the Amazons, as well as Diana's father. Attacking the Amazons and stripping them of power and agency, Hercules rapes Hyppolyta, attempting to force her to be his personal Sex Slave while giving the remainder of the Amazons to his men to suffer the same, boasting that their children will live and die by his grace.
    • Wonder Woman/Conan, written by Gail Simone:
      • The Corvidae sisters, Lila and Anive, are ancient immortals bored with most of existence. Finding joy in gambling, the duo set up friends, brothers or even nations to war against one another while they enjoy the duels. Helping to manage slave pits where fights to the death happen frequently, the duo attempt to set Conan and Diana to a deathmatch. When they refuse, the two decide to annihilate the city of Shamar and kill every last man, woman and child, even trying to have the slaves murdered before the heroes as an act of sheer spite.
      • The sadistic slaver Dellos is the chief minion of the Corvidae who forces slaves into duels to the death for the sake of bloodsport. A vicious murderer even outside the Corvidae's order, Dellos savagely abuses his slaves, forcing Conan and Wonder Woman to duel when he realizes Conan has mistaken Wonder Woman for his lost love. On the Corvidae's initiative, Dellos attempts to massacre every slave at the end, young and old.

Marvel
  • Ultimate Spider-Man: Sgt. Wadey Wilson, better known as Deadpool, is a mutant-hating supremacist who seeks nothing less than the genocide of all mutantkind. Taking a job on Mojo's Hunt for Justice simply for the chance to kill mutants over the weeks, Deadpool eventually captures the X-Men, as well as Spider-Man, on the flimsiest of charges and begins hunting them all down, extending the hunt just to torment his prey.Deadpool cares nothing for his fellow mutant hunters the Reavers, callously insulting and even murdering them if it suits his needs, and Deadpool reveals that he would prefer to systematically murder every mutant in the world in their sleep, but he is starring on Hunt for Justice so as to inspire other countries to follow his lead and eventually murder mutants like the "animals" they are. A far cry from his comedic, antiheroic mainstream counterpart, this Deadpool was a hate-filled lunatic who massacred countless mutants and wanted to wipe out the whole race just out of bigotry.
  • Deadpool:
    • MAX: Baron Helmut Zemo, unlike his usual depictions, is a disgusting racist bigot. Convinced of his racist beliefs from an early age, after his parents died, Zemo went to live with his grandparents, who were secretly Nazi war criminals. His grandfather murdered a different minority on the anniversary of Hitler's death, a ghoulish hobby Zemo picked in his adult years, eventually having a cabin with a wall of human heads and various furniture pieces made of human skin. After dropping out of college, Zemo moved to Wyoming and started a compound where only white people could live, eventually gathering 2,000 people to his compound. Eventually, Zemo decided to use sarin gas to kill most of the people in the compound, so he can play the victim and try to start a race war.
    • Pulp: In this pulp take on Deadpool, General Stryfe is a seemingly Reasonable Authority Figure who recruits Deadpool to recover a stolen nuclear weapon. It turns out Stryfe himself masterminded the theft of the nuclear weapon and plans to use it to start World War III, nuking New York City so that the US will declare war on the USSR. Stryfe wants to turn the US into a military dictatorship and use US military might to dominate the world after the war ends. Stryfe was also the one responsible for torturing Deadpool and driving him insane. Stryfe did this in an attempt to create soldiers who would only be loyal to him and succeeded with another soldier, Cable, turning him into his personal mind-controlled slave.

Red Sonja

Crossovers by publication date

  • Witchblade/Red Sonja, written by Doug Wagner: Ragniel is one of the Fallen Angels who were cast down from Heavens after the rebellion against God. Being freed by a mad wizard, Ragniel immediately killed him and then, when Red Sonja refused to be his concubine, he forced her to fight against her deceased father, whom he had resurrected. After being defeated and sealed away by Red Sonja, Ragniel eventually frees himself, forms a cult and has them commit ritualistic murders by skinning people alive. Tracking down the current wielder of the Witchblade, Ragniel zombified some of her fellow police officers and tries to force her to give up Witchblade, before he spitefully has her husband mortally wounded and declares his intention on kidnapping her infant daughter and having her breed the new race, with which he intends to take over Heaven and Earth. When Sara Pezzini picked on his trail, Ragniel painfully transformed all his followers into the mindless monsters and sends them to kill Sara.
  • Red Sonja/Tarzan, written by Gail Simone: Eson Duul is a former Cimmerian who stole a sword of Sorrow after massacring its keeper's household. Obsessed with his own glory, Duul uses it to hunt heroes and legends across multitudes of worlds and times, slaughtering them and all they care about on grand scales. Not content with this, Duul hunts entire species to extinction, obsessed with never being outdone. Targeting Tarzan, Duul hunts down Tarzan's young grandson to murder him and slaughters all in his path, intending to enslave Tarzan's daughter-in-law. When Sonja and Tarzan hunt him to a lost world, Duul seeks to rally the primordial beings there to flood the surface and slaughter everything in their path so that Duul may reign supreme.

Spawn
  • Medieval Spawn and Witchblade (2018, written by Brian Haberlin & Brian Holguin): The Trinity is a being from another dimension who managed to find his way to Earth. Splitting itself into three forms of the Mother, the Daughter, and the Unholy Spirit, The Trinity used its "Daughter" form to seduce both King Valon and his friend Leith and then convinced Leith to kill Valon. Revealing its true form to Leith, leading to him committing suicide and becoming Hellspawn, the Trinity began corrupting the lands, spreading the Blight and sending its monsters to attack and kill innocent people. Using its "Mother" form to kidnap the women of the tribe, which rebelled against her with newly arrived Spawn, it painfully killed them and tried to kill a little girl, who was the current wielder of Witchblade. Later trying to corrupt the wielder of Witchblade to its side, the Trinity attempted to consume the Earth by merging it with the Nightmare Realm.

Top Cow
  • Witchblade, by appearance date:
    • Medieval Spawn/Witchblade (1996, by Garth Ennis et al.): Lord Cardinale is a medieval wielder of "The Darkness", and definitely the vilest. Using his power to take over a large chunk of territory, Cardinale rules like an Evil Overlord. After Matthew Royale told him about the power of Elven artifacts, Cardinale eagerly invaded the Elven homeland of Faerie, massacring thousands of Elves and destroying their homes. When the current wielder of Witchblade and Spawn were close to defeating him, he decided to power himself up by absorbing all Darkness essence from—in effect killing—all his servants, including his lover.
    • Blood Oath (2004, written by R.J.M. Lofficier): Queen Mauve is a high-ranking demon who desired to conquer the Outer Circles of Hell. After being summoned by Gilles de Rais, the lover of Joan of Arc, Mauve made a pact with him, saving Joan from being burned alive in exchange for Gilles becoming the host for her servant demons. Later on, Mauve has Gilles sacrifice hundreds of infants to her by torturing, killing, and eating them at her altar. When Gilles was hanged for these crimes, Mauve kept him alive and has him commit various atrocities across history. When Sara Pezzini, the wielder of Witchblade in modern times, offered her services to her, Mauve threw Gilles aside and was ready to fully manifest on Earth and vaporize three quarters of the Earth's atmosphere.
    • Madeline Desormeaux, from 2007's 2-part "Raising the Dead" arc, has a sick fascination for torturing and dismembering her slaves, then putting them back together in grotesque ways where they suffered until death. After the escape of a little boy whose eyes and mouth she had stitched shut, Madeline ultimately died. However, even this would not keep her evil from infecting the land, cursing all of her former victims to wander in agony until the day her wicked soul is destroyed for good. When Danielle Baptiste shows up to put the slaves' souls to rest, Madeline gleefully attempts to torture her due to her fraternization with the "filth" of her former slaves.
  • Witchblade, by publication date:
    • Destiny's Child (2000, written by Christina Z): In this Alternate Continuity, Kenneth Irons is an immortal businessman who is obsessed with the Witchblade. Hiring Ian Nottingham as his personal bodyguard after beating him in a fight, Irons tortured him to make him learn his place, then he has him kill people for defying him or to get the magic items that he needed. At some point, finding out the identity of the future wielder of Witchblade, Sara Pezzini, who was a child at the time, Irons has her kidnapped, tortured, set her on a path to meet him years later and stalked her through the years. Then, setting up his underground laboratory, Irons experiments on several innocent people, with one of his victims being a child. Capturing Sara, Irons desires to transform her into his puppet goddess, who will destroy and create at his command, and use her to Take Over the World.
    • Lady Death/Medieval Witchblade (2001, written by Brian Augustyn & Brian Pulido): Queen Morrigan is a powerful dark sorceress who took over the lands in the past. Turning her newfound kingdom into the dead wasteland, Queen terrorizes the population, and when she hears of the prophecy that the "Son of Light", the one who could end her reign, was about to be born, she rounded up hundreds of pregnant women and women with infants and tried to have them thrown into a fiery pit. After Lady Death stopped that, Morrigan orders her knights to kill her, while she finds out the town where the supposed "Child of Light" would be born and burns it to the ground, along with all men, women and children inside. When she finds out that the true "Child of Light" is her stepdaughter, she immediately tries to kill her, while attempting to spread her darkness across the world.
    • Vampirella/Witchblade: The Feast (2005, written by Justin Gray): Rod Sterling is the unofficial head of the J. Holmes Modeling Agency, who discovered a Magical Camera which allowed him to steal the souls of innocent women to keep himself immortal and young. Having J. Holmes himself find and prepare the women for him by promising them a model career, Rod hires some people to track down the vampire for him and cut them apart, so he could make the "Eternal Slender" product from their meat and feed it to unsuspecting women, before he steals their souls and turn them into his undead slaves. Making a deal with other vampires, Rod feeds them his zombified models, so he could have them hunt down and harvested as well.
    • Witchblade/Red Sonja (2013, written by Doug Wagner): Ragniel is one of the Fallen Angels who were cast down from Heavens after the rebellion against God. Being freed by a mad wizard, Ragniel immediately killed him and then, when Red Sonja refused to be his concubine, he forced her to fight against her deceased father, whom he had resurrected. After being defeated and sealed away by Red Sonja, Ragniel eventually frees himself, forms a cult and has them commit ritualistic murders by skinning people alive. Tracking down the current wielder of the Witchblade, Ragniel zombified some of her fellow police officers and tries to force her to give up Witchblade, before he spitefully has her husband mortally wounded and declares his intention on kidnapping her infant daughter and having her breed the new race, with which he intends to take over Heaven and Earth. When Sara Pezzini picked on his trail, Ragniel painfully transformed all his followers into the mindless monsters and sends them to kill Sara.
    • Medieval Spawn and Witchblade (2018, written by Brian Haberlin & Brian Holguin): The Trinity is a being from another dimension who managed to find his way to Earth. Splitting itself into three forms of the Mother, the Daughter, and the Unholy Spirit, The Trinity used its "Daughter" form to seduce both King Valon and his friend Leith and then convinced Leith to kill Valon. Revealing its true form to Leith, leading to him committing suicide and becoming Hellspawn, the Trinity began corrupting the lands, spreading the Blight and sending its monsters to attack and kill innocent people. Using its "Mother" form to kidnap the women of the tribe, which rebelled against her with newly arrived Spawn, it painfully killed them and tried to kill a little girl, who was the current wielder of Witchblade. Later trying to corrupt the wielder of Witchblade to its side, the Trinity attempted to consume the Earth by merging it with the Nightmare Realm.

Edited by ACW on May 23rd 2020 at 3:35:57 PM

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#214467: May 23rd 2020 at 7:52:24 AM

Okay, thank you Vile. Looking through the first couple vids:

So buddy acknowledges the Duke killed his son but nonsensically blames Tim? The Duke declares the aliens "truly worthy adversaries" for their genius while they're just sitting there watching TV? The resistance uses a set replica of Seinfeld to be the stronghold against the mighty terror that he is? A speech about terrorists drawing dicks on his banners and because of it everyone has to donate their underwear for the cloth shortage?

Almost assuredly no and this is precisely why I called for something more comprehensive in terms of feedback on his tone.

edit: Watch the rest of it... yeah, no, there's a bit too much comedy still mixed in in the resistance's attack on the Duke's forces, Cherie's speculations about what a joke he was prior to the Wall don't help and the fact Tim immediately jumps to what's an obvious start to another tyranny throws into question how unique the show is even bothering to pitch his regime as.

Edited by 43110 on May 23rd 2020 at 11:20:15 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#214468: May 23rd 2020 at 8:16:14 AM

I've watched it. His crimes are played absolutely straight. There's not a trace of humor in his execution of Pedro, the boohoo pit, or in flooding the lower levels to kill loads of people.

We have Xykon and Bill Cipher up, and they have moments far more humorous. And thinking he was a 'nobody' before being shrunk isn't a bar to qualifications, it's just From Nobody to Nightmare. Tim going full on tyrant after is portrayed as him being well intentioned in a bad way, but killing Cherie, while a MEH crossing, doesn't make him more heinous than the guy who slaughtered maybe hundreds of people to keep power. Not yet anyways.

Edited by Lightysnake on May 23rd 2020 at 8:18:40 AM

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#214469: May 23rd 2020 at 8:21:42 AM

Hmm... maybe I'm being too harsh on it: I'm going to pull back to an abstain, granted I'd argue there's far more levity to Bill's Weirdmaggedon, in comparison to what the Duke does but put that way I can live with him going up for now at least.

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#214470: May 23rd 2020 at 8:23:22 AM

Changing back to abstain on the Duke

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#214471: May 23rd 2020 at 8:24:37 AM

Believe me, I was extremely skeptical and went in expecting this to be a Kim Jong-un situation. What I got was a kid being decapitated played for straight horror. His father blames the heroes for taking them there, but this is because he's mad with grief and doesn't think they can beat the Duke...we have some comedic moments, but the flooding of the lower levels has zero jokes, with lingering shots of drowned corpses with their faces twisted in terror and pain.

the character's got some jokes, but I can't see the Duke as anything but a keeper.

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#214473: May 23rd 2020 at 8:55:40 AM

[tup] to the Duke

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#214474: May 23rd 2020 at 9:07:37 AM

Yes to Strasser, Ragniel, the Duke and Y'gy.

I was going to have an EP yesterday. But a storm was happening and affected my internet. It also gave me a huge migraine. One that has not fully gone away. So I am sorry if I am not here much today, but my personal health has to come first.

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#214475: May 23rd 2020 at 9:12:49 AM

Switching to abstain on the Duke.


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