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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Why don't you just use your own sandbox or something? Or a work page To-Do list?
Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 15th 2022 at 11:08:45 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
~Laserviking 42 — You asked for me. I'm present.
I am giving you several courtesy links to the discussion for NRLEP regarding Propping Up Their Patsy.
If anyone wishes to dispute my arguments, I encourage them to do so, but if they do, they'd better make an exceptional case, in my opinion, considering that the trope in question involves the alleged guilt/innocence of suspects, and people potentially referring to real people as "villains".
Rawr.
Apologies, didn't realize it was a TLP decision. All good on this end.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
The Draftsman of Doom
To be fair to you, Viking, while I didn't hear any counterarguments in the TLP, I would have been open to hearing counterarguments if anyone had any.
Rawr.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Cross-posting from the ROCEJ cleanup thread (mostly copied and pasted from that post, but with tweaks to account for this being a different thread) since this one is more active:
I'm a bit late on this because I was taking a break from Projects (partially due to burnout from working on the this thread so much and partially because of health problems), but regarding the discussion on Acceptable Political Targets in the ROCEJ thread, one thing the otherwise failed TRS thread did do is make Acceptable Targets and the Acceptable [subject] Targets subtropes (but not Once Acceptable Targets or Unacceptable Targets) NRLEP, but since the TRS thread didn't really get around to acting upon the decision for reasons that have already been stated in the ROCEJ thread, then I suppose it can be done through the ROCEJ thread or this thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 16th 2022 at 10:22:55 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
The Enforcer
Trademark Favorite Food is...a mess. Most of the animal section isn't "played straight", there's an entire section for general human examples, and also, it's a characterization trope. People are not intentionally written characters. Without that, it's the decidedly meaningless "someone likes a food". Which is probably too common, given that it's got its own subpage and everyone likes foods.
The animal and culture sections, seeing as they're described as stereotypes, are redundant with Stock Animal Diet and Hollywood Cuisine as applied to fiction and patterns that have meaning. The "people in general" section feels like it could be spun off into a Missing Supertrope of stereotypical subcultural etc. foods.
Edited by NonexistentYeets on Nov 16th 2022 at 1:17:39 PM
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
The Enforcer
All of the examples on Alone in a Crowd are general. Permission to cut?
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
She / Her
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I checked, and I agree that they're all general. I also agree those examples should be cut, so ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
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The Draftsman of Doom
I am posting this as a courtesy to elaborate on why Propping Up Their Patsy is NRLEP, in case certain thread-goers are unable to access the TLP Draft:
- As a trope involving the alleged innocence or guilt of a suspect, there is an inherent risk of controversy.
- Seeing as it usually involves a villain committing a crime and defending the person suspected with ulterior motives, there's the obvious concern about mudslinging (I.E. calling real life suspects villains in cases where they are proven to have stood up for their own scapegoat and been convicted).
- There is a distinct possibility that people will add unverified stories about people setting others up to take the rap and covering their asses by claiming their fall-guy was innocent.
Based on that logic and since nobody objected, I indexed it on NoRealLife.Morality Tropes.
Rawr.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Sky, it's fine. Nobody is really arguing that it should have real life examples, especially since we have none anyway. Laser's only concern was that you added it in a rule-breaking way, which you've since debunked.
Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 16th 2022 at 7:20:55 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
The Draftsman of Doom
I'm just trying to be transparent, Jay.
Rawr.
As I said before, it's all good. Making a trope NRLEP in the TLP stage is perfectly cromulent. There was an issue with a bunch of tropes being added unilaterally, but we quickly determined it had nothing to do with you.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
- As noted above, this is (or was) standard practice in many places in Asia. The purpose varies, ranging from the logical end of religious devotion or an extreme act of political protest. this occurs even in areas whose religion views suicide as a sin, like the Muslim world.note General.
- Happens terrifyingly often in post-1979 Revolution Iran, apparently cheap gasoline + horror stories surrounding the consequences of all non-suicidal protest methods = many public displays of people burning to death. Most cases are young men protesting the mandatory military service laws, but there are also women who did this to protest for their rights. General.
- Doctor Homa Darabi was a particularly tragic case. She burned herself in the middle of Tajrish Square to protest the law of compulsory hijab enacted by the new Islamic government, which previously forced her to shut her pediatric practice. Valid.
- Sahar Khodayari aka the "Blue Girl" chose this as an alternative to going back to prison. Her crime? Sneaking into football games. Yes, seriously. She had to disguise herself as a boy to get into the stadium, she was thrown in prison for it and it was so awful it would come to this. Valid, but needs to be less snarky.
- Doctor Homa Darabi
- Thich Quang Duc, a Vietnamese Buddhist monk, set himself alight to protest against the persecution of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government of Ngô Đình Diệm, a devout Catholic who discriminated against anyone who wasn't (i.e. 90% of the country's population). A very famous photo was taken of the incident, winning the photographer and the journalist who wrote the accompanying article Pulitzer prizes. The photo has featured in a number of places, including the cover of a Rage Against the Machine album. Several other protesters followed his example (see Wikipedia list of political self-immolations). The man remained perfectly calm and in a state of deep concentration while he effectively killed himself. When his remains were collected, it was found out that, though his body turned to ashes, his heart stayed intact, which Buddhists saw as a miracle and a symbol of compassion. As noted by William Colby, the CIA's Far East Division chief at the time, the act basically spelled the beginning of the end of The Vietnam War. Valid, but needs shortening.
[Ngô Đình Diệm] handled the Buddhist crisis fairly badly and allowed it to grow. But I really don't think there was much they could have done about it once that bonze burned himself.
- Norman Morrison set himself on fire in protest against American involvement in the Vietnam War, possibly motivated by Duc's suicide. Valid.
- Jan Palach, a Czech student, who committed suicide by self-immolation in 1969 as a protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, followed by Jan ZajÃc and Evžen Plocek. Valid.
- Inspired by Palach, Sándor Bauer, a 17-year old Hungarian car mechanic apprentice set himself on fire in 1969 to protest the Soviet occuptation of Hungary. Valid.
- The Arab Spring—which lead to dictators falling in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen, as well as to massive protests and widespread attempts at reform across the Arab World, and even to civil wars in Libya, Syria, and Yemen—all originally began with one Tunisian man, Mohamed Bouazizi lighting himself on fire in response to the police confiscating his fruit cart too many times. Valid, but a bit nattery.
- The practice of Sati/Suttee in India was sometimes a voluntary act on the part of a sincerely heartbroken widow hoping to join her husband in death... though it was often more like forced immolation imposed by her in-laws, generally to snatch the poor woman's share of the inheritance. The act was documented to have been practiced up to the late 20th century and it took several governments to pass laws banning it outright. General.
- According to one tale, some Rajputs were besieged by Marathas. One Rajput warrior, deciding victory was hopeless, left his post to see to the safety of his wife. When he arrived, he saw his wife had set herself on fire to drive him back to his post, by making it clear he had nothing left to lose. Speculation.
- An extreme version of sati was jauhar, in which women on the losing side of a war committed mass suicide by immolation to prevent themselves from seeing the horrors of Rape, Pillage, and Burn. Basically, Better to Die than Be Killed. General.
- Since Tibet was invaded by China, many young monks and nuns have been committing self-immolation to protest the occupation. Most of them have been under 35. General.
- Was once widespread in Russia among the Old Believers. The Old Believers appeared as a result of the Great Schism of Russian Orthodox Church (The Russian Reformation). General.
- Some Too Dumb to Live teenagers set themselves on fire and videotape it as a "stunt," underestimating how flammable the accelerants they've used are, and/or how quickly that level of heat compromises breathing. They also may not be aware that real stunt performers generally use special protective clothing under their costumes and a flammable jelly rather than liquid gasoline. Many of them are no longer with us, and many more have been left with permanently disabling or disfiguring injuries. Setting yourself on fire for the fun of it can end badly; who knew? General.
- Some accounts about the death of Oda Nobunaga's rival Matsunaga Hisahide say that he committed seppuku when cornered in his Shigisan castle. Others said that he killed himself like this. Speculation.
- Richard Pryor's daughter Rain speculated that her dad setting himself alight and running down the street while on fire was a deliberate suicide attempt — though the official police report attributed it to cocaine freebasing gone wrong, and Pryor himself chalked it up to an accident involving burning rum.
Slow-Loading Internet Image: are any of the examples not general? they all look general to me, aside from the badly-indented transphobic joke stuck under a ZCE. can any of them be salvaged? if not, should the trope be crownered as Too Common? i think it indisputably is Too Common, but if we excise the section it might not be necessary.
Those cuts look fine to me, the natter on that folder is impressive.
You don't even need consensus to cut that entire mess as it is.
With So Beautiful, It's a Curse now NRLEP, Sad Clown is definitely the trope with RL examples that feel the most... nosey, I think is the word I want to use. The current RL examples are just a long list of celebrities that have mental illnesses or past traumas, and they feel very uncomfortable to read. I'll argue the trope of Sad Clown itself is a Characterization trope, based on its description, and it's also Gossip, based on the current examples, and it's probably also Too Common.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Yeah, those Slow-Loading Internet Image "examples" were garbage, so that's one of those cases where we can torch the section and call it a day. If that trope causes problems in the future, then we can discuss whether to take more drastic measures, but I don't think that's necessary right now.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Alright, going back, it looks like we have two tropes that were discussed and seconded:
- Vader Breath - Gossip & Stereotype, supposed to be for Darth Vader parodies and clones.
- What Could Possibly Go Wrong? - Narrative, a Stock Phrase used to show someone Tempting Fate, not just a list of things that went wrong
I'll add these in a bit unless there is some pushback.
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Edited to match
Edited by laserviking42 on Nov 18th 2022 at 8:00:57 AM
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I wouldn't say What Could Possibly Go Wrong? is too common; rather I think it's a narrative trope because it's a Tempting Fate stock phrase.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Also, Real Men Eat Meat was brought up here.
I proposed a cleanup here, but that seems to have gotten lost in the mix, so I'll once post it here (bear in mind the trope is for using carnivorism to show masculinity):
- Vilhjalmur Stefansson experimented with the no-carbohydrate diet after observing that the Inuit diet consisted of mostly meat and fish, since there is very little vegetation in the Arctic circle. Here is the article in question.not sure if this is valid or not, as it has little to do with masculinity, cut
- The book The Sexual Politics Of Meat is about this from a female perspective, making the case for vegetarianism from a feminist perspective.again, nothing to do with masculinity and meat, cut
- Simply called TurBaconEpic, it's a bird, in a bird, in a bird, in a bird, in a bird, in a pig with endless bacon strips and bacon stuffing, garnished with Baconators.disgusting, but also not this trope
- Real Life inversion: Vegan bodybuilderscannot play with RL, cut
- Alternate inversion: Vegan firefighters.cannot play with RL, cut
- Steppe Nomads were very carnivorous. And while many have said nasty things about them, no one has called them unmanly. For reasons you can guess.seems rather general, cut
- Friedrich Nietzsche believed that vegetarianism was bad for the human spirit (not just men), but his philosophy definitely emphasized manliness (although Nietzsche's definition of "manly" is much more cerebral/Apollonian than most people's); he specifically calls it a cause of "physiological inhibition" in On the Genealogy of Morals.valid
- This is possibly a reasonable stance for the time given that a poorly-managed meat-free diet can result in a lack of energy and other health problems. Of course, these days it is much easier to engage in vegetarianism or veganism and still receive one's required nutrients.natter, cut
- A lot of evidence shows that the early Neanderthals had a mostly meat-based diet. Researchers also believed this carnivorous diet may have been partially responsible for their demise, as the end of the ice age meant there was no big game for them to catch and little knowledge on how to grow crops, unlike their rivals and human ancestors, the Cro-Magnon.general, also the trope requires a line from eating meat to masculinity, cut
- Recent finds suggest that the end on the Ice Age did little harm to the biosphere, and actually increased the biomass and biodiversity of the early European lands, which became a home to what is now known as a European megafauna. The lack of big game that brought the demise of the Neanderthals is entirely their own fault: they simply hunted and ate it all. Similar situations repeated many times when the early humans arrived at the pristine ecosystems, like the Clovis culture in early North America and ancestors of the Aborigines in Australia and New Guinea. Though recent discoveries have also showed that some populations of Neanderthals apparently managed to live quite well on diets that were largely vegetarian, so the idea that they ate themselves to death by killing off the largest Europe's megafauna is losing popularity.studies have also found that too much natter bloats the wiki, cut
- Homo sapiens and earlier hominids are natural meat eaters as well, as their male ancestors evolved to hunt game on the savannah, which further contributed to brain growth. When humans switched to a mostly grain-based diet with the invention of agriculture to sustain larger populations beyond small tribes, human health as a whole declined. Human skeletons from before this dietary change were taller and had better teeth. This is still evident in our instinctual urges, seeking out food which is either sweet, fatty, or salty. Sweet because fruit contains sugar, and fatty and salty... because that's found in meat.more nattering about ancient peoples, cut
- Inverted: Alec Baldwin is a vegan animal rights activist... that pretty much settles it.cannot play with RL, cut
- Another inversion: Vegetarianism and veganism are very popular in the hyper masculine Heavy Metal and Hardcore Punk scenes. Attila Csihar of Mayhem, Gaahl of Gorgoroth, Mark "Barney" Greenway of Napalm Death, Geezer Butler of Black Sabbath and Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat are examples.cannot play with RL, cut
- See also Vegan Black Metal Chef.see also how to cut natter
- See also Vegan Black Metal Chef
- Subverted by the tenth-century warrior-saint Gerald of Aurillac. Although he would eat meat, especially venison, he preferred fish and vegetables. This did not make him any less badass.cannot play with RL, cut
- Subversion: Former Hockey enforcer Georges Laraque is a vegan and an active member of the Canadian Green Party.cannot play with RL, cut
- See also vegetarian slugger Prince Fielder, of the Milwaukee Brewers (at least for the next month or so. After free agency, who knows where he'll be?)cannot play with RL, cut
- Several cultures, such as the Massai of Africa and the Mongols of Central Asia, subsist on diets that are almost entirely meat due to living in grasslands where there is little vegetation that humans are capable of digesting. Cattle, on the other hand, thrive on grasses.wow, people who have no access to plant food don't eat it, how utterly tedious, cut
- Another straight example: Ted Nugent, who provides the page quote, basically subsists on a meat diet and yet remains healthy as a horse.possibly valid
- The Lewis and Clark expedition was so put off by the idea of subsisting on fish, of all things, that they resorted to buying dogs from the Native tribes as they journeyed west. They ended up consuming about two hundred and fifty dogs in all, though by all accounts they'd resigned themselves to eating fish like the natives by the time they reached the coast.nothing about masulinity in there, cut
- The reason the beefsteak banquet was once popular as a political fundraiser (and began to disappear due to women getting the vote). It's also the reason they haven't disappeared altogether.the first sentence isn't actually a complete sentence (the reason it was popular ... then it stops), cut
- Lemmy Kilmister of Motörhead. By his own admission, the only plant matter he'd even consider touching was potatoes and green beans, and otherwise lived on a diet of mostly meat, cheese, and Jack Daniel's. Amazingly, he was quite healthy for being in his late-60s (aside from the terminal cancer, obviously) and is well-known for his Rated M for Manly music and for allegedly bedding over 2,000 women in his life.valid
- The "paleo" diet trend, which emphasizes eating only foods that would have been available to our caveman ancestors, is very popular among male-heavy circles that usually eschew diet trends since the diet tends to be very meat-heavy.general, possibly valid since it does draw the line to masculinity
- Truth in Television: building muscle mass requires a large amount of protein, usually gained from a combination of whey supplements and meat. While it is possible to get all the protein one needs to build muscle mass without eating meat, you have to really know what you're doing, especially since large amounts of soy (a popular non-meat source of protein) can cause an excess of estrogen. Turkish oil wrestlers ideally eat four kilos of meat a day along with half a kilo of honey for this reason.nobody comes to this wiki to get super generic health info, cut
- It's a similar deal for polar explorers, who typically burn 3 times as many calories than normal while pulling sleds in the extreme cold.this is similar to a badly indented natter too
- With common chimps (Pan troglodytes), the males go off on hunting raids and enjoy the meat themselves. They might share the meat with females, but usually only as a bargaining chip for sex. At least one population of chimps, however, has seen females learning to hunt for themselves instead of waiting for a male to notice them and share.shoehorn, cut
- Male baboons are also more predatory than females. Having gigantic fangs may have something to do with this preference, although their impressive canine teeth are primarily for defense.badly indented shoehorn, cut
- Inverted with mosquitoes, as only females are blood-drinkers, while males content themselves on plant juices and nectar from flowers.cannot play with RL, cut
- Averted (and how!) by the World Championship boxer Eder Jofre. A two weight division world champion at Bantamweight and Featherweight — and a committed veggie. Still hale and hearty at the age of 83.cannot play with RL, cut
- Averted by Roman gladiators who seem to have had a mostly vegetarian diet.cannot play with RL, cut
- The Japanese term "herbivore men" refers to men not interested in getting married or having a girlfriend (often being stereotyped as Otaku with Perverse Sexual Lust), with the use of "herbivore" implying lack of manliness.related to the trope, but still seems rather general, not a hill i'd die on tho
- Similar to "herbivore men", Western right-wing online communities have taken to insulting any male they deem insufficiently manly (or insufficiently conservative) as "soyboys", due to a belief that consuming soy products can raise estrogen levels. As stated above, excessive soy consumption can result in unusually high amounts of estrogen in the body, but doing that usually requires taking in all that soy over an unnaturally short period of time; those who do consume soy-based milk/meat substitutes typically only take in a moderate amount at a time over widely-spaced intervals.same as above, probably better suited to be expanded in an analysis tab
- Vegan and vegetarian diets are significantly more popular with women than with men in the West.has no bearing on anything, cut
- Inverted with Colin Kaepernick who is a 6"4, 230 pound NFL Quarterback and a vegan since 2015.cannot play with RL, cut
- Inverted with dairy milk, another animal product that is literally made for babies.cannot play with RL, cut
- Subverted when it comes to testosterone production. While protein is needed for it, so are carbohydrates. Going on a high protein low-carbs diet will reduce testosterone production. The real key to maintaining "manliness" is, like with a lot of health matters, a balanced diet.cannot play with RL, cut
- Inverted by the state of Israel: by some estimates, it has the highest portion of vegans per capita in the world and the second-highest portion of vegetarians (after India), and Tel Aviv is considered one of the veganism capitals of the world. This does not seem to have impaired the Israelis' ability to become world-famous badass warriors.cannot play with RL, cut
- If you interpret "Real Men" as "aggressive and violent", this trope is actually averted throughout much of the animal kingdom. Predators, for the most part, are actually much more cautious when it comes to picking their fights. After all, for a predator to enter a fight under less than optimal conditions and end up injured is practically a Fate Worse than Death: unable to chase and bring down any more prey, they'd be doomed to starve. Therefore, even extremely powerful predators will often prefer to attack only if they feel confidant of having an overwhelming advantage (e.g. from an ambush, once the prey has been thoroughly exhausted, with a pack behind them, etc.). Conversely, herbivores such as rams, cattle, hippos, and elks, who don't have to worry about the grass outrunning them, "have nothing to lose" from acting too aggressive and will absolutely attack if they're so much as looked at wrong. See Herbivores Are Friendly for further details.a lot of words to describe an aversion, cut
(she/her)
^ All of those cuts look good to me.
Macron's notes
Cuts have been made.
Added Vader Breath and What Could Possibly Go Wrong? to crowner, ATT advert soon.
The crowner is at 14 entries, so I would suggest holding off for a few weeks until it clears and concentrate on cleanup.
Edited by laserviking42 on Nov 18th 2022 at 11:54:20 AM
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
The Enforcer
Kindly Vet looks to be a morality trope, being a subset of the decidedly morality-based Noble Profession. Also, most of the real life examples revolve around reality shows, so could likely be moved to Live-Action TV if they're considered worth keeping.
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Giant Enemy Crab: all of the examples are misuse, right? none of them are truly giant in the way the trope intends and none of them are intelligent enough to be classed as enemies.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I've been using the NRLEP Candidates Sandbox for the past few months to jot down the tropes that I come across that I think need to come through this thread, but we're in the middle of another discussion or something and to bring it up immediately when I see it it'll just get ignored. I was using it as a bit of a backlog so I didn't forget any tropes I saw that could use cleanup/NRLEP. I'm actually really angry you deleted it.
Also, I did make that separate thread about the Morality Tropes and which ones should and shouldn't be NRLEP from that index, no one else has posted yet.
If we want to have discussions on what counts as "Morality", let's take it there so we can iron out that section.
I stand by saying that Torture Technician should be NRLEP on the Too Controversial ticket moreso than the Morality one. A lot of other torture tropes (including the big daddy of them all Cold-Blooded Torture) are under Too Controversial and not Morality.
Edited by MissConduct on Nov 15th 2022 at 11:15:37 AM