Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
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- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
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- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
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- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
The description for both:
"Too YMMV when applied to real life; what constitutes "cool" varies greatly from person to person."
From Too Common.
They may be meant to be cool, but this still happens. So what constitutes as "cute" when applied to ugly things should vary greatly from person to person.
I could also mention Cool Plane.
Edited by CarlFilip19 on May 20th 2023 at 12:08:14 PM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
You're missing my point.
Ugly Cute and Creepy Cute are both YMMV. They're entirely opinion.
While the "Cool" tropes are about intent, the creator specifically trying to use Rule of Cool in order to make something awesome. They're two inherently different things, and a trope being used in real life doesn't suddenly change the base definition.
I mean, the description says what it says, but that doesn't make it accurate.
Edited by WarJay77 on May 20th 2023 at 6:15:32 AM
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Okay. Ugly Cute and Creepy Cute could be too common because too many things can be called cute, while Cool Car, Cool Boat and Cool Plane are too common because too many of these vehicles are designed to be cool. All that according to you, even if I have taken some time to understand it.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yes, that's correct.
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Please chill and dont get too personal.
Edited by AegisP on May 20th 2023 at 4:08:20 AM
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Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
So, I just noticed that Shut Up, Hannibal!, which is about a speech from a hero to a villain, has a real life page even though that’s basically calling real life people villains, which as far as I’m aware is not allowed. As such, I propose the trope be made No Real Life.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Let's drop this derail regarding Ugly Cute, as well as the adjacent policy discussion since this isn't Wiki Talk (as the mod team has said several times already, and had to put in the header due to how many derails it caused). The ship sailed on that one seven years ago, so let's focus on current cleanup projects.
Edit: As I clarified in the moderation thread, I wasn't saying this derail was completely policy-related. A few posts were policy-related (hence why I said it was adjacent, since it happened as part of a larger derail), but the main issue was that the thread got sidetracked by a decision from several years ago.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 20th 2023 at 10:44:17 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Adora, the High Priestess
I want to have Terror Hero be a NRLEP please. Reasoning is that we do not apply Characterization tropes to real life people.
If I recall correctly, The Dreaded was also declared NRLEP for the same reason.
"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling the following:
NRLEP:
- Our Wyverns Are Different
- Magical Asian
- Celebrity Is Overrated
- Blatant Lies
- Sarcasm-Blind
- All Asians Know Martial Arts
- The Un Favourite
- Lonely at the Top
- Lovable Sex Maniac
- Asians Eat Pets
- Asian Babymama
- Bread, Eggs, Milk, Squick
- Brilliant, but Lazy
KRLE:
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Replaced the crowner because the indexing and removals have been taken care of.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Since we've had so many suggestions in the past few weeks I've decided to temporarily increase the crowner size to twenty tropes - it's not going to be a regular thing (unless it proves to be popular).
- Amulet of Dependency - Impossible in Real Life (the trope requires supernatural magic)
- Asian and Nerdy - Characterization, a Stereotype, Too Common
- Black and Nerdy - Characterization, a Stereotype, Too Common
- Evil-Detecting Dog - Morality, Impossible in Real Life
- Facial Horror - Gossip about peoples' injuries or deformities, attracting Squick and NSFW weblinks
- Fanservice Model - A Sexy trope, Too Common, attracting ZCE's
- Gag Nose - Gossip, as a Personal Appearance trope it's Too Common
- Gigantic Adults, Tiny Babies - Too Common, true of essentially all creatures that reproduce sexually
- Humans Are Cthulhu - Impossible in real life (this trope requires seeing humans from the perspective of a non-human species), attracting misuse and misanthropy, related to the NRLEP Humans Are the Real Monsters
- Lawman Gone Bad - Morality, Too Controversial, related to Face–Heel Turn
- Literal-Minded - Gossip, Characterization, Too Common, attracting ROCEJ violations
- Mundanger: Impossible in Real Life (the trope is about contrasting mundane horrors with supernatural horrors), attracting misuse
- Not Enough to Bury - Too Common, Gossipy, attracting problematic True Crime examples
- Overly Long Gag - Narrative, attracting misuse
- The Quiet One - Characterization, Gossip
- Raised by Orcs - Morality (the trope requires someone from a good group/species being adopted by an Always Chaotic Evil one), attracting misuse
- Sir Swears-a-Lot - Characterization, Too Common
- Stepford Suburbia - Characterization, Too Controversial, Gossip
- This Looks Like a Job for Aquaman - Impossible in Real Life (the trope requires supernatural powers, it's on the Magic and Powers index), Narrative, the RL examples imply that marine biology is uncool
- Time-Travel Tense Trouble - Impossible (because time travel), attracting a lot of misuse of the trope
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
...So, despite my repeated arguing to the contrary, Gag Nose was crownered as "too common" which remains an inaccurate understanding of the trope. Don't get me wrong, it should be made NRLEP, but because it's a character design and comedy trope specifically about intentionally silly looking noses. No idea why those arguments of mine continued to get ignored, but, here we are.
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(she/her)
^ I edited the Gag Nose option to characterization.
Macron's notes
One trope that I think is NRLEP is Does Not Like Spam. It is way too common, as I feel like every single one of us has that one food, or even multiple foods, that we just can’t stand. I feel like it could also fall under characterization.
P.S. I suggested Cargo Ship a while back, but I never got a response. Should that trope be crownered?
Your favorite storyteller and artist
Fetus Terrible only has one Real Life example and I think this is general. This trope is considered a morality trope and we don't know if an unborn baby is evil or good.
- As a specifically non-human example, many species of sharks that give live birth have this as regular behavior in the womb. The litter of shark pups starts out more numerous, but the pups predate and eat one another until only the survivors end up being born. Usually if a shark has two surviving pups, it's because the shark has two uteri they can be born separately in.
The Enforcer
Devious Dolphins is a morality trope. Unlike Killer Gorilla which got KRLE'd, it's not just "animals are dangerous sometimes" but actually relies on using the dolphins' intelligence for them to be morally evil i.e. Predators Are Mean. It's also impossible in real life on grounds that as far as we know, dolphins don't have standards of morality. (or if they do, they probably probably wouldn't be something we'd recognize)
Edited by NonexistentYeets on May 21st 2023 at 7:09:25 AM
they/them pronouns. Look at my Neocities.
Re: Cargo Ship, I will say it's being used for misuse right now, the trope is for when fans ship a person with an object, and except for the Trump x Border Wall one (which is probably ROCEJ violating but definitely a weblink-only) these are mostly when a person claims to have married an object, which isn't this trope note , Companion Cube, or Animal Sweet on Object. I'm not certain what the rules on specifically "shipping" tropes are, it might be crownerable? A part of me thinks that anything inviting Real Person Shipping content in our RL folders should be crownerable as Gossip on principle, but I don't know the rules on that.
Re: Shut Up, Hannibal!, yeah that seems like a problem trope. I'd crowner on Morality.
Re: Terror Hero, that's also a very loaded trope, both on the "terror" and "hero" sides.
Re: Does Not Like Spam, it's the equal and opposite of the recently NRLEP'd Trademark Favorite Food, makes sense to crowner.
Re: Fetus Terrible, I wouldn't say the current RL example is "general", but the trope is morality (compare Enfant Terrible, its neonatal counterpart), so I'd crowner on that.
Re: Devious Dolphin, not sure if it would pass, but I'd support it being on the crowner. Let the people decide.
Adora, the High Priestess
EDIT: NVM I just saw it.
Edited by AlicornGaia on May 22nd 2023 at 11:41:26 PM
"I just need one of you to come here to give your life to the sun god. It will be for the monkey city's glory."
The Draftsman of Doom
With regards to Does Not Like Spam, I would like to allow for examples of reviewers exaggerating their dislike of a particular food as part of a Stage Persona.
Furthermore, if someone were hypothetically planning on bringing up Gargle Blaster, Bad to the Last Drop, and A Tankard of Moose Urine on the basis of complaining, I would like to pre-emptively remind people that there is a cleanup section devoted to cleaning up examples of those tropes lacking sufficient citation.
Moral Guardians definitely seems to be way Too Controversial, and perhaps In-Universe Examples Only, as it involves people continuously disagreeing on what is and is not okay to show on TV. It also seems Too Common.
Re: If they are performers exaggerating their dislike for foods, then I don’t really think that’s real life, since it isn’t truly who they are. It’s fine to have such examples, but they should be categorized by what the performer does, (like if they do online content or sing about it, it should be listed as such)
The Enforcer
Yeah, we already discussed this re: Trademark Favorite Food. If someone's exaggerating their liking for a food as part of a persona for reviewing or stand up comedy or whatever, then that goes in the work folder since it's not "real life".
under construction
Moral Guardians merely complaining about works is too common, but I think they should still be noteworthy in cases when they're actually making serious attempts to censor or outright ban works to varying degrees of success (such as with the Parents' Music Resource Center). It also ties in with a lot of other stuff: Overshadowed by Controversy, No Such Thing as Bad Publicity, Executive Meddling, What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?, etc.
Re: Moral Guardians: As Moral Guardians have long been the mortal enemies of TV Tropes (particularly in our earlier days), this trope has also long had (ironically enough) a Morality Judgement attached to it. Look through the examples and essentially all of them imply or outright state that these moral guardians are straight-up wrong, laughable at best and corrupting the children at worst. There's also some complaining about SJW's in there, which makes me want to stamp it with the ROCEJ violations stamp as well.
Re : I think if there's an organization that has had actual say on the content of media, they should have their own Useful Note and not be on this page (for example, UsefulNotes.Motion Picture Association), and the trope should still be NRLEP.
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Edited by WarJay77 on May 20th 2023 at 2:51:49 PM
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