Discussion Pantheon / Beast

Deleted. Their profiles were too short and the forum agreed that they had to go

then why are they not in the fallen section? and is it possible to re send them?

The Fallen looks to be the next thing to be axed since there is no real point to it other then negativity.

To re-ascend them, they have to be rewritten with a unique trope that's not being used by other deities and an actual trope.

Sorry for the late reply but how about this?

Agitha, Princess of Bugs (Princess Agitha)

• Theme Song: Agitha's Castle.
• Lesser Goddess
• Symbol: A golden butterfly in a glass jar.
• Alignment: Chaotic Good
• Portfolio: Being nice to scary animals, Being insanely rich, Having no family, Being completely crazy and creepy, and Stronger than you'd expect.
• Domains: Bugs and Spiders.
• Followers: Stritch, The Aburame Clan, and Wriggle Nightbug.
• Allies: Link, Zelda, Kogasa, The Giant Intelligent Friendly Talking Spiders.
• Enemies: Ganondorf, Audrey II.
• Opposed by/Opposes: Anyone who harms a bug with cruel intent, bug eating plants and evil royalty.
• High Priest: Stritch.
• Agitha was once a simple girl living a peaceful life in Hyrule when she was swept away into an alternate universe filled with war. The other gods were quite suprised to find that Agitha could not only hold her own in battle, she did so with a smile on her face. For her efforts in battle she ascended.
• Lives full time in the House of Insects but sometimes drops by the Royalty Pantheon to visit Zelda and the Nature Pantheon to hunt for more of her 'subjects'.
• Some Gods in the pantheon believe she and Princess Zelda are related but when asked Zelda simply kept quiet while Agitha just giggled. Another theory is that she is a Kokiri who wandered far from home.
• The Gods have been warned to not approach Agitha with bugs as she can suddenly turn extremely creepy as she apparently "knows you have bugs". This change in demeanour has unnerved several members of the Pantheon.

Done.

But Mufasa already got a place in the House of Family.

Aha! Should have done a more thorough check first then! Depending on his place i might consider asking for his transfer here and getting replaced by someone.

And even if Mufasa is busy elsewhere, why Nanaki? He's never shown to be especially wise unless Dirge of Cerebus does something amazing with his character. Have we really got no one better? Wait... If this is the house of beasts.. why is Baghera nowhere around?.. He really needs a place and he fits the bill better than Red XIII.

...

so how does one go about changing/adding gods to the pantheon anyway? any rules to it?

So, my proposal for adding

Bagheera, God of Awesome Panthers

• Demigod, though within his house, his knowledge of human customs and behaviour makes him as powerful as a Lesser God.
• Symbol: A broken lock.
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: Big Black Cats of the good kind, The Jungle and it's laws, Freed Animals, Seeing opporunities others don't, Scheming even better than humans, taking care of forested orphans, Learning from Humans, Learning to be better than humans.
• Domains: Nature, Cats, need more?
• Followers: The Pink Panther, The Baron(The Cat Returns), Sasaki's pet Iromote
• Allies: Baloo, Mowgli, Sasaki, Mufasa.
• Enemies: Scar, Greebo, Shere Khan.
• Mowgli used to be a follower of Bagheera but after he thrashed a village down by releasing the jungle on it, it almost became the other way around.
• Mowgli and Sasaki are so far the only humans whom he'll let close in on him willingly, with his guard down. Sasaki has even been known to pet him on occasion and often likes to spend part of her day sitting under a tree leaning slightly on ihm.

Sounds great.

Sounds good. Be a dear and add it.

I dunno, there are felines that are even more awesome. Aslan, for example, although the picture they provided in his entry in the Pantheon would suggest otherwise. Somebody needs to change that. : /

Hmm... Are there any objections to making the three of them co-gods of the trope?

Is she crane-like enough? : <

That's two tropes down. All that's left is Cunning Like a Fox. Personally, the only two examples that come to mind are Fantastic Mr. Fox and Redd from Animal Crossing...or Red, his horror counterpart from Ruby Quest.

Koku-Oh stays if you ask me. But let's see what others think.

The Tropers have spoken!

Dune's Shai-Hulud is a prime choice, especially since its the Trope Codifier (if not the Trope Maker) and, AFAIK, Trope Namer.

Wish granted!

Fortunately, there is now a Monkey God: Sun Wukong!

As what? We shouldn't be elevating characters just because we like them - we elevate characters because they are the ultimate embodiment of some trope. I don't know that Sue the Dinosaur is the embodiment of any particular trope...

She would be the patron goddess of "Raising the Steaks". She would reign over all undead critters, like the zombie animals from the Resident Evil series, the animals from Guild Wars, etc.

Maybe there's a place for her in the Magic or Life and Death pantheons?

Something tells me there's already an embodiment of that trope somewhere in the pantheon...

Well, who would take his place? And something tells me there's already another God of Well-Dressed Villains.

Alright, let's see it....

EDIT: Whoops, replied to this instead of creating a new topic.

Well, that's a pretty decent portfolio and it fits Gilda really well.

You got my recommention, though I suggest finding some gods that might get along with Gilda (I'm sure there are afew characters somewhere in the Pantheon with similar personalities).

That's gonna be a bit difficult to do. I don't fully recognize most of the Pantheon to understand if they'd go along with her.

In that case, don't worry about the Allies part, I'm sure someone will edit that section in later.

So I can put this in the page now as it is?

Did anyone agree that this was a good idea? You can't just put gods in without approval (and considering your history...)

yes and can we please forget the past

No.

you are not part of this. this is between me and Camilla

No, people are allowed to form comments. After all, this is gonna go on for quite some time.

Okay, so now you threw him to the Villains house. What the eff? Whatever happens to the Beast house applications?

We'll see how long it lasts.

Maybe Baloo if you want a good one. Not sure who would fit as an evil one, though.

I nominate this bear! http://www.badassoftheweek.com/voytek.html

Baloo would make a good choice, or maybe Shardik although that might be too obscure nowadays. If you want an evil bear, maybe the one from Over The Hedge?

Vincint is the bear you're thinking of, though for bad bears I'd recommend Mordu from Brave. That many battle scars means this guy's no pushover by any means.

I like Mordu, but what if we had him share the title with Ellinor (Merida's mom who was a bear for the majority of the movie) to have her represent good bears?

Winnie the Pooh.

He fits better in the House of Shape as the God of Animorphism.

Sonic is already in the House of Gaming as the Slayer of Polygon Ceiling.

Yes! But what about Clifford the big red dog?

That would've fit either the Otherness or Shape better. I moved it to the latter.

As much as I like the idea, I really doubt it is a good idea. It is rare to see group of people to be gods of one trope (outside of House of Music) and due the fact that Hunter's Guild doesn't really have a character to pinpoint to, I makes it bit odd.

Fair enough. I just thought it'd fit being that the Hunters are god like beings anyway and they are the best in that field. Proficient in several weapons, unkillable (you can only knock them out for a bit), and able to hunt anything anywhere with the correct equipment.

Speaking of Monster Hunter, what happened to the trio that was here before? The Lagiacrus, Deviljho, and Breakydios?

... What are you planning to make Gamera the God of?

I don't know, but the Heisei trilogy of Gamera movies could play into why he ascends, probably

Maybe with one of them as the main title and the other a parenthetical. Anything else would tend to lose clarity I would think. I'm going to put "Alicorn" in as the parenthetical for the moment, but others should feel free to alter.

If Nightmare Moon remains in "Shape" we may need a link to that (probably in another section of lore...). Much less weighty is the fact that if Applejack sticks in "Mentalism", the links to her may need updating.

Nightmare Moon is in Nature. You may be thinking of Queen Chrysalis, who is in Shape.

I think that's a fair position. The one that immediately comes to mind is Shelob, but I'm sure there are others.

Or here is an idea: Gohma, Immortal/Regenerating God of Spiders: Could Possibly be a beast version of a time lord of given regenerating powers by a time lord, which would explain it's different forms.

Couldn't Ungoliant cover that and her current title?

That was what i am talking about. Ungoliant is just a quick way out for all of the Animalistic Abominations but she is only one type of abomination. So either she should be only the Goddess of Spiders and there should be other gods of other types of abominations or someone else should be the god of spiders. Furthermore, I personally think that some gods like Bowser, for example, is the god of all giant reptile monsters or something like that. W Ouldn't that include turtle ABOMINATIONS? so honestly currently Ungoliant is just leeching off a bunch of the other Beast Gods.

I made Ungoliant the goddess of that trope because I figured she was the oldest/most well-known/Most Triumphant Example of it. Plus, as it stands, she covers the Animalistic Abomination trope in general, while abominations resembling specific animals can still be governed by their patron god. For instance, Wolf O'Donnell can still rule the lupine part of the Captain, while Ungoliant gets the abominable part.

Nota Bene: I didn't create the entry in question, although I did add the bit about Rarity wanting them to wear more clothing (no, not out of any sense of modesty). I can't remember if I added the bit about Cadance's potential ascension now that she has gotten more screen-time, but, in any case, I am now against that, since she does better as a Follower of both her aunts and Gomez and Morticia Addams (whose entry I DID take the lead on creating, although I received significant help).

With the disclaimers out of the way:

I wouldn't be adverse to knocking them down to Lesser Deities, since "Winged Unicorn" is hardly a common trope, even compared to some of the things that the Element Bearers are dieties of.

Beyond that I can't comment with much certainty without knowing what exactly you consider unwarrented, and thus what "dialed back" would entail.

In your opinion: Do they have too much in their portfolios/domains? Do their allies/followers entries make them seem too popular? Is the bit in Koku-Oh maybe dating Celestia in his entry a problem? Personally, I don't think that anything without enough personality to have its own listing in the Characters page for Fist of the North Star (and yes, I checked Kokuoh-Go and "Black King" too on that page) would be something that Celestia would consider worthy of being a Prince Consort of Equestria (IE it would be like Fluttershy marrying a panther or something... too close to bestiality). Of course, the Fist of the Northstar fans would probably just say that Koku-Oh is so awesome that it nullifies that particular problem.

Personally, I am not seeing a problem with extensive portfolios, since those can (probably?) overlap.

The paragraph-stuff below the "vital statistics" seems fine to me, since it mostly concerns how the Element Bearers interact with them, and a lampshade hung on the uncertain meaning of "Alicorn". Maybe their awesomeness of their entrances shouldn't be anything too new to deities though...

By "dialed back", I meant have fewer of those "flavor paragraphs".

As for the entry in Koku-Oh's entry... I actually added that a while back (I thought it would be hilarious to have two horses dating...). Other mentions are perfectly fine as they are, anything that has characters interacting with characters from different series is awesome. But with Celestia and Luna, it seems like they're only interacting with the Mane six.

Not to mention that having two separate pics for Celestia and Luna in the same entry is really ugly from a format perspective. If it was one pic with both, that would be grand.

Ok, I am definitely against reducing the "flavor paragraphs", and would be for any entry I have seen. This is electronic media, where you don't have to worry about printing costs, and skipping stuff is at least marginally easier than in print. Building a deep and vibrant setting and/or narrative for the pantheon seems a good thing. They are even at the bottom, so you don't usually have to scroll past them to get at something (I would support new entries on this page being added near the top to keep this the case). Now if the "flavor paragraphs" were to take up more than, say, three average screens worth on their own, that would be an issue. In such a case one is getting into borderline fanfic territory, and I suspect creating a separate page on the wiki with a link to it might be the best way to handle the size while keeping the Beast page readable.

A single image would probably be better, but my google-fu is weak, so it will probably have to be someone else who does it.

Arceus isn't the god of wild creatures, though, he's the Creator. Closer to Eru Illuvatar in terms of position in our pantheon.

Maybe have Arcues as Over Deity of Olympus Mons, Maybe?

In before Arceus vs Mew debates.

Seriously, we need an Olympus Mons listing though.

Pikachu is the series mascot of the most famous mon franchise. Arceus may be the creator god of the universe, but he isn't the first character one thinks of when they think of "mon characters".

I was going to add them in Love for "Happily Married" but then someone suggested Gomez and Morticia Addams, who have been married a lot longer. I added them as followers of The Addams couple.

Also "Battle Couple" is covered over in the House of Combat.

Just keeping everyone up to date.

If you can make a good entry, then sure.

Baine Bloodhoof, God of Minotaurs

• Lesser God
• Symbol: The Bloodhoof Clan Crest stuck on his totem
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: [[Generation Xerox]] [[Wise Beyond Their Years]] Bulls, Big Weapons, [1]
• Domains: Bulls, Philosophy, War
• Followers: Mino Magnaxe (Mega Man Zero), Alistar (League Of Legends)
• Allies: Thrall
• The son of Cairne Bloodhoof won his father's throne after retaking the city of Thunderbluff from the Grimtotem tribe.
• Fervently opposes Thralls "successor" Garrosh Hellscream for his ruthless tactics and bloodlust. Eventually going as far as helping the Alliance in bringing him down.
• Believes in achieving a peacful solution to most conflicts but will not hesitate to defend his people.

Decent, but it could use another point: The reason why it took him so long to retake his father's throne was due to a nasty rumor that permeates the Pantheon about how as a child, he got caught by Centaurs and needed rescue. (As per events of Warcraft 3 in Rexxar's scenario)

Up to you about how he vanquishes that rumor.

Baine Bloodhoof, God of Minotaurs

• Lesser God
• Symbol: The Bloodhoof Clan Crest stuck on his totem
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: [[Generation Xerox]] [[Wise Beyond Their Years]] Bulls, Big Weapons, Gentle Giant
• Domains: Bulls, Philosophy, War
• Followers: Mino Magnaxe (Mega Man Zero), Alistar (League Of Legends)
• Allies: Thrall
• The son of Cairne Bloodhoof won his father's throne after retaking the city of Thunderbluff from the Grimtotem tribe.
• Fervently opposes Thralls "successor" Garrosh Hellscream for his ruthless tactics and bloodlust. Eventually going as far as helping the Alliance in bringing him down.
• Believes in achieving a peacful solution to most conflicts but will not hesitate to defend his people.
• The reason why it took him so long to retake his father's throne was due to a nasty rumor that permeates the Pantheon about how as a child, he got caught by Centaurs and needed rescue. Baine did not deny them but says that experince helped shape him into the leader he is today.

Posted in wrong spot.

We've got Breathof Fire Ryu in Otherness as Lord of Dragons... SHOULD we have a God of dragons as we?? Not a rhetorical question, I want to get some consensus here.

Hmm... How about Toothless? With Hiccup as the God of Dragon Riders?

Smaug isn't really much though, not really well known, and there are lots of dragons from both Tolkien and other fiction that would be better, we might want a separate god of Good Dragons and Evil Dragons, since their stereotypes are distinct while overlapping. Draco from Dragonheart is a good candidate for Good Dragons i think.

If we want someone that goes for both Kinds, then Bahamut is always nice, and if we want something else than a Final Fantasy reference i'm sure we can find other suitable choices that are epic and legendary. Heck i'm sure we could find a dragon somewhere fit as an overdeity (Deathwing comes to mind).

Smaug however doesn't really seem.. epic enough, as he's not even the highest ranking dragon in Tolkien's works.

@Schizo Technician: I think we should either have a god of dragons as well, or move the Lord of Dragons here. I don't know very much about Breathof Fire myself, but is this Ryu a dragon/half dragon or something?

... oh never mind, I saw The Cheat was already appointed as such in a different house. My bad!

Plus Kyubey already got himself a spot.