Broken Base / Western Animation

Western Animation is no exception to the rule: the surest sign of a fan is their hatred for other fans.

  • The Simpsons:
    • Fans all got along fine, once upon a time. Now war rages between those who believe the show is as fun and sharp as it ever was, and those who think it's well over a decade past its use-by date and new episodes are stupid and unfunny. Then there are those who acknowledge that the overall level of quality may have gone down but are satisfied if if it still makes them laugh a few dozen times an episode.
    • Even the fans who don't like it anymore can't agree exactly on "when" it started sucking. Though most fans agree that the show's golden era was Seasons 3 to 8, fans are divided over whether the first bad season was the ninth, the tenth, the eleventh, the twelfth, and so on.
    • "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes.": One half says it's one of the worst episodes because the second half is shamelessly contrived and out of place and the other half found it hilarious. Other episodes involving bizarre plots, such as "Saddlesore Galactica", "Kill The Alligator and Run" and "Simpson Safari" have received similar criticisms.
    • "Lisa's Sax": Some call it a cute, heartwarming episode with an awesome ending to boot, while other can't get past Bart's sad subplot (If somebody hates this episode, chances are that will be the reason) and despise the character pampering Lisa is given in it.
    • Fans are very divided over the following episodes, all of which were controversial:
      • "Lisa the Vegetarian": Was Lisa right to express her sudden loathing of meat consumption and then learn to tolerate it, or was it an unnecessary development that detrimentally Flanderized her character?
      • "Homer's Enemy": Was the relentless torture of one-time character Frank Grimes funny and meaningful (demonstrating how an ordinary person could not survive in the chaotic Simpsons universe) or incredibly mean-spirited?
      • "The Principal and the Pauper": Was this episode a clever, interesting twist on a classic Simpsons character (Seymour Skinner) or an insulting waste of time that permanently ruined him and the previous character development he went through?
      • "Homer vs. Dignity" Was the major humiliation Homer experiences in this episode (including the scene where he is raped by a panda) funny and well-deserved, or is it so painful to watch that it destroyed any remaining purity the show retained after its quality dropped?
      • "The Boys of Bummer": Was this episode a clever satire of the ways in which over-patriotic sports fans take games too seriously and forget the importance of sportsmanship, or a seriously cruel and unfunny episode where Bart is subjected to relentless abuse (and is even driven to suicide at one point)?
  • Family Guy is in basically the same position as The Simpsons now.
    • For a good summation of trends, cutaway gags have gone from unsteady experimentation to get the formula down, to legitimately funny cutaway gags that generally use the same formula (and so get old after a few years), to cutaways that derive comedy from subverting the expectations of those savvy to the formula, to cutaways that forget the "gag" part, the cutaways for which the gag is is based on mocking the vary concept of cutaways. All of these are very different types of humor.
    • Sexually ambiguous Stewie vs evil genius Stewie.
    • Multiple reviewers have complained that the newest seasons have effectively run out of ideas and don't make any effort to change things, while fans have either sympathized their position or sided with Seth MacFarlane and see them as ridiculous.
    • Brian's No-Holds-Barred Beatdown by Quagmire in "Quagmire's Dad" on whether Brian deserved it or not.
      • The Quagmire vs Brian running feud as a whole, particularly since it was conceived as a Take That, Scrappy! against Brian initially. Brian eventually hating Quagmire back and abusing and calling him out in a similar manner only made it even more polarising.
    • Meg's abuse being funny or not.
    • There is a sharp division on fans about who likes "Quagmire's Dad", "The Juice is Loose", "Road to the Multiverse", "You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Receives" , "Tea Peter", "Go Stewie Go", "Be Careful What You Fish For" and especially "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven".
    • Fans and non-fans alike were effectively torn over the whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?
  • Futurama is catching up too, but nowhere near as much as The Simpsons.
    • Though it's fashionable among critics to bash the "new episodes," there's a lot of internal debate as to at what precise season/year/moment the show begins being "new."
    • The movies especially tend to be love-it or hate-it. Some were just happy to have new Futurama after 5 years. Others felt that it wasn't doing justice to the original run. The debate has (mostly) settled down, with people agreeing that the problem was format, having to create a movie that could be divided into four television episodes.
  • SpongeBob SquarePants:
  • Most fans agree that the Transformers franchise has had its ups and downs, but which is which is forever the subject of heated debate. Transformers Animated is simultaneously the best and worst show ever.
    • Or maybe the franchise has been "Ruined FOREVER!" (the trope naming franchise, actually): "Fans realize something Hasbro does not, that robust 25-year-old billion-dollar franchises, while seemingly healthy, are in actuality as fragile as two bricks tied together with tissue paper." That line pretty much describes the fanbase's position on everything.
    • There are Transformers fans who think the original was the ONLY series, with all other subsequent series to be inferior knockoffs. These people are known as "Geewunners", and can be identified by their distinctive rallying cry of "TRUKK NOT MUNKY!". On the flipside there are "Reeduners"(a derogatory take on "geewun" based on "G1", a parody of "redone") who hate everything old and groan every time a past series is references.
    • Arguments over the Bay films, comic vs cartoon, Marvel vs Dreamwave vs IDW...
    • The 2009 film Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen divided the fanbase, with half of the fans considering the film an unwatchable monstrosity that ruined the reputation of the franchise, and the other half loving it regardless, looking past the tacky storyline and bad acting and instead enjoying the plentiful amounts of action, huge explosions and highly complicated special effects in the film.
      • It's seriously to the point where the only thing fans can agree on is their hatred of Pat Lee, and Squick at Kiss Players. And even then, there's room for other opinions, especially those who find creepy imagery, and therefor Kiss Players, funny.
  • Ben 10:
  • Toonami fans were split on TOM4 (the flat-faced robo-alien one). Naturally, they were also split when the original TOM replaced Moltar. As well, Cartoon Network's Network Decay propagates this.
  • The Avatar: The Last Airbender fandom is notorious for this:
    • The Zutara fans and Kataang fans get into Ship-to-Ship Combat for example. There's other Die for Our Ship moments that annoy the more sane fans of the show.
    • Season three is also controversial for the fanbase. If you don't like it and explain why, you're likely be harassed for not being a 'true fan', but if you do like it, you're dismissed as a drooling, zealot fanboy/girl.
    • Azula's series finale Villainous Breakdown is a subject of much controversy as well. People who think the influence of Azula's father on her actions gives her a valid Freudian Excuse, and that Azula deserves to be forgiven and redeemed, are accused of downplaying her numerous wicked actions over the course of the series, including advocating genocide of the Earth Kingdom in the finale. People who think that Azula has no excuse for her actions, and that not only was her Villainous Breakdown well-deserved, but that she deserves to spend the rest of her life suffering in prison, are accused of overlooking Azula's mental fragility and her father's influence on her actions. The fact that Bryke left Azula's fate ambiguous will likely leave fans warring over this issue for a long time.
      • Heck, Azula herself is guaranteed to cause arguments in the fandom, between those who think she's way too powerful and those who think she's awesome. But then again, the same could be said for almost all the cast.
    • Gene Luen Yang's post-TV-series Spin-Off comics, Avatar: The Last Airbender – The Promise and Avatar: The Last Airbender – The Search, are a very fraught topic in the fanbase, specifically the way they depict the later lives of the characters and the development of their romantic relationships.
    • How Aang defeats Ozai has created quite the break, itself. There are those who feel Aang's "spiritbending" trick (or as many call it "The Easy Button") was a lame Ass Pull for the sole purpose of not having Aang kill Ozai, rendering three seasons worth of training to master Water, Earth, and Firebending worthless. Others feel that if Aang hadn't mastered the elements and achieved true Avatar status, he never would've been able to access the spiritbending trick at all and saw it as a perfectly acceptable third option. And, of course, there's the overwhelmed minority who's just willing to chalk it up to Rule of Cool and apply the MST3K Mantra to any argument to "how".
  • Sequel Series The Legend of Korra is even more prone to ideological splits.
    • The fan base is divided over the steampunk setting, even though the original series already used it on a smaller scale.
    • Confirmation that Tenzin is Katara and Aang's son has paradoxically caused a resurgence in Zutara/Kataang shipping wars (complete with Die for Our Ship).
      • And, as with the previous series, there are plenty of shipping wars for the new cast, too, with no less intensity than ATLA's fights.
    • A comment by Andrea Romano revealing that the entire original cast is dead prompted some sections to deem Korra and her crew Replacement Scrappys.
    • Some fans debate whether or not the setting is too modern.
    • There are also some concerns that the setting has become too Western.
    • One of the biggest points of contention is over Korra's race and ethnicity. One side insists that Korra is of color, and fanworks depicting her with lighter or white skin trivialize the importance of a dark-skinned woman as a main character. The other claims that race is a non-issue with fictional characters, and Korra's skintone should be a matter of fan creators' individual preferences. Rather curious considering that Korra shares an ethnicity and skintone with Katara and Sokka, and the Water Tribe are explicitly based on the Inuit.
    • Another contention over Korra is the depiction of her build. Much like with the aforementioned skintone issue, it largely breaks into two camps. The first decries any fanwork that depicts Korra with less developed muscle tone than in canon. The second camp claims that Korra's build should be a matter of fan creators' individual preference. Depictions of Korra with greater muscle tone than in canon draw far fewer complaints.
    • Following the online premiere of the first two episodes, the fanbase fractured again, this time over whether or not Korra is being written as a saviour-esque character in regards to bender privilege.
    • And then there's the first season finale. It should be mentioned that Korra was supposed to be a twelve-episode Mini Series, which means it was going to be a series finale as well. Given the fanbase's reaction to the previous series's finale, this is fully expected. And it's for similar reasons, even.
    • While few would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first-season Big Bad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans are sharply divided over the extent to which the Villain Has a Point, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government is a vast Fantastic Racist conspiracy, benders are Nazis, and Amon is a freedom fighter!"
    • Some fans are wondered if Book Two: Spirits was better or worse than Book One: Air.
    • As of the Grand Finale Is Korrasami canon or are they just good friends? Is it a brilliant move for representation for bisexual women or pandering to the base? Bryke has confirmed that it is indeed canon and that they are in fact bisexual. Won't stop people from going strictly by what's presented in the show.
    • Asami was originally an Equalist inside agent however that was scrapped in development. In hindsight fans wonder if that would have been better on not. On the pro-Equalist side are people who think it was foreshadowed for much of Book 1 and would have liked Asami to have gone through a Heel–Face Turn similar to Zuko. People who dislike the idea don't like Asami as a stereotypical Femme Fatale or think she would have been handled poorly and have been locked up in jail for the entire series, instead of given a redemption plot or turning on the Equalists.
    • Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a deeply debated one. There are lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and had a strong bond with her however it never appears in the series. They're always at each other's throats and show no relationship besides animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally Abusive Parent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin trying to assasinate Kuvira was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin refusing to forgive Kuvira was right or not are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's Base-Breaking Character status from Book 3.
  • Adventure Time has a fiercely divided fanbase.
    • Ship-to-Ship Combat between partisans of Flame Princess, Princess Bubblegum and Marceline as Finn's ideal girlfriend.
    • 13-year-old PB or 18-year-old PB?
    • Are Marceline and Princess Bubblegum a strongly-implied former same-sex couple or was it just a close friendship?
    • Is Lemongrab an insufferable Jerkass, a pathetic Jerkass Woobie, or a sympathetic Woobie?, Or a hilarious sociopath?
    • Fionna and Cake - best thing that happened to the show, or disgusting pandering to the fanbase?
    • The darker Myth Arcs are also starting to divide fans. Some find them too dark and out of place, others believe it adds great depth to the series and is part of the fun.
      • The more extreme side of this is that some people prefer the worldbuilding/backstory episodes to Finn's various and all-too-unsatisfying romance plots, lamenting when an episode focuses on him instead of a secondary character or event
    • Most of the Fandom is split apart by episodes like "Apple Wedding", "Red Throne", "Too Old", "Frost and Fire", and "Wizards Only, Fools".
    • The most controversial part is whether or not the break up between Finn and Flame Princess was really all that necessary
    • Princess Bubblegum's actions in several fifth and sixth season episodes have caused the fandom to split over whether she's a realistically pragmatic ruler doing what's necessary to keep her kingdom safe and stable, or a cruel, power-crazed tyrant who needs to be overthrown by any means necessary. This overlaps with the Lemongrab wars, with some pro-Lemongrab fans blaming all his more dangerously insane or actively malevolent behaviour on Bubblegum's ill-treatment of him. The Bubblegum vs. Lemongrab feud caused edit warring bad enough for the show's YMMV page on this wiki to be locked.
  • The Danny Phantom fandom has an ongoing war between "true fans" and "anti-fans." The true fans believe in only writing fandom and drawing Fan-Art they believe creator Butch Hartman would approve of, and tend towards being Moral Guardians over any fora they're part of. The anti-fans, on the other hand, believe in fanart as an expression of the fan's thoughts and fantasies, from crack / fandom pairings to drawing porn of the characters (which was probably how the war started anyway).
  • The '90s X-Men cartoon, Adaptation Distillation or Adaptation Decay?
    • Same goes for X-Men: Evolution, but worse.
    • The fan base for Wolverine and the X-Men is often split with some fans liking the fact that the show was able to adapt some of the current X-Men story lines, while the other side of the fan base complained about the show giving too much attention to Wolverine and not enough attention to the other X-Men characters.
  • Daria:
    • The fanbase was once split over the issue of Character Development. Some enjoyed watching Daria open up to her peers, make new friends, get a boyfriend, soften her hard line, etc. Others, identified much more closely with Daria as a cynical misanthrope, declared They Changed It, Now It Sucks.
    • The entire character of Tom Sloane was a massive splitting point for the fandom.
    • Four words: "Depth Takes a Holiday".
    • Three more words: "Daria!: The Musical".
  • The Boondocks:
    • The Boondocks is either a funny, thought provoking show, or it's in danger of becoming what Dave Chappelle feared his show was turning into (i.e. a show that was getting the wrong kind of laughs, for the wrong reasons from the wrong group of people).
    • Starting with season 2 the series became Denser and Wackier. Along with this change came character changes to multiple characters. Fans differ on what versions they prefer: season 1 or season 2?
    • Due to the cartoon development process, the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as the comic. Fans of the original are heavily torn over the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it a terrible adaptation or did they do the best with their circumstances?
  • South Park:
    • There are two main views on South Park: either it really hit its stride when it moved from a show comprised solely of crude, shock-value humor to one focused just as much on social/political commentary, or it completely went to hell by turning into an Author Tract. The thing with South Park is, though, that it can sometimes be as polarizing to its fanbase as it is to people in general. Combine that with a town full of people and the tendency for things to stay relatively the same despite earth-shattering events, and you end up with a show that can have half its fanbase loving how it's using a character/joke/plot/etc., and the other half hating it, meaning the whole thing is constantly a Broken Base, over any number of issues from any given episode.
    • Believe it or not, Cartman has been a victim of this in later years by the same fans. Yes, a good fan base loves Cartman because he is funny as hell and the show would not be the same without him, but some viewers claim that Cartman's Comedic Sociopathy was exaggerated into him becoming an asshole extremely callous and lack of feelings with his friends and even family, and would not be very strange call it a challenge as The Scrappy in his humor becoming in Dude, Not Funny!. Many people hate Cartman by episodes like the end of "Kenny Dies". He is mostly hated by Kyle's fans.
    • A similar case would be Cartman's fight between him and Wendy. Several fans of the series (even fans of Cartman) felt comfortable that Wendy would have won in the fight with him. While there are other fans who hated her even more since she won.
    • And let's not get started on "You're Getting Old" and "Ass Burgers". Several fans weren't happy with these episodes for being overly dramatic, derailing the characters (especially Stan), and ultimately led to absolutely nothing but an excuse to bash Stan and the audience at the same time.
    • The existence of anime-style fanart and the Ship-to-Ship Combat in the fandom itself have caused further splitting of hairs.
    • A lot of characters have been this for the show, as well:
      • Butters was probably the first example. He went from Ensemble Darkhorse when he was a side character to being hated by a lot of fans due to his becoming one of the main characters, and his perceived Flanderization. Nowadays, he's used less often, but more effectively.
      • Kyle went from this Jerk with a Heart of Gold with traces of The Woobie to a Designated Monkey and a Foil for Cartman. Some fans do not like his Designated Monkey status, while others are annoyed by his newfound obsession with stopping Cartman. Some also blame him for stealing screentime away from Stan, while some others are happy to see him focused on more often.
      • Then there's Cartman himself, and whether his antics are still funny or if his actions starting in "Scott Tenorman Must Die" rendered him beyond sympathy and likeability.
      • Randy Marsh's increased role is either met with amusement or irritation, some going as far as to say that Randy's bone-headed attitude has helped run the show into the ground.
  • Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy:
    • The episode "If It Smells Like an Ed". There are fans that either hate it for being the cruelest blow to the Eds ever, or consider it among their list of favorites for being the first half-hour episode in the series and have elements of Detective Drama.
    • The later seasons of Ed Edd N Eddy had the kids attending school. Some fans thought it was a refreshing change of pace, others thought it was the series Jumping the Shark.
    • As for the finale movie, Jonny and his derailment into a joke villain have been met with plenty mixed results.
  • Did the more character-focused, less humorous 4th season of The Venture Bros. Grow the Beard or Jump the Shark?
  • Teen Titans:
    • The series was notorious for its Robin/Starfire vs. Robin/Raven fandom war. It got so bad that stating your preference was a quick way to make enemies. There were even little online cultures around the ships—Robin/Starfire fandom tended to consider themselves more well-adjusted than the alternative, whereas Robin/Raven fandom often considered themselves more mature due to the complex nature of their fandom.
    • Beast Boy and Raven pretty much won this by being lampshaded in the final season and the closing issues of the comic based on the series, as well as becoming canon in the D.C Universe (albeit in a Will They or Won't They? way).
    • The series finale "Things Change": Brilliant and bittersweet way to end the series where Beast Boy learns a lesson about letting go, or a confusing and anti-climactic mess that goes against the mood of the series and leaves way too many unanswered questions? The way the episode treated Terra really upset contemporary fans who had other ideas of what would happen when she was revived.
    • Beast Boy/Raven or Beast Boy/Terra? Are Beast Boy and Raven even a thing or do fans have their Shipping Goggles on too tight? Word of God says they were meant to be platonic however most of the fandom disagrees. Bumblebee and Cyborg suffer from a similar Relationship Writing Fumble.
    • Should Red X's identity have been revealed, or does it not really matter who he is? Another debate that continues to echo long after the show's end.
    • Is Robin Dick Grayson or Tim Drake? There is nothing that suggests he is Tim - in fact everything from him being Starfire's love interest, to him being Nightwing, to the fact it's a New Teen Titans adaptation show very clearly he isn't - however it has been debated nevertheless.
  • Teen Titans Go!:
    • Whether it is a fun comedy that manages to properly make fun of the characters and the DC Universe as a whole or an abomination that mocks the memory of the original series is a debate that overshadows almost everything else regarding the Teen Titans...other than the quality of the current comics run.
    • "Why are you getting so worked up over a kid's show?" (or variations thereof) being asked in relation to Teen Titans Go! tends to bring up debates over whether detractors' problems with the show are justified (such as over whether or not the show is even kid-friendly, thanks to the heavy Black Comedy tone and the rampant Family Unfriendly Aesops) or are just them over-reacting to a show not meant for them in the first place.
    • Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows way of handling criticism. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes, but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of Teen Titans who loathe Go. To some, the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while to others they agree with them and find them amusing.
  • An overlap with Film and Live-Action TV: There are two factions of Ghostbusters fans: the Ghostheads, who prefer the Columbia Pictures film and its animated series The Real Ghostbusters, and the Go-ers, fans of Filmation's 1975 live-action series The Ghost Busters and 1986 animated series Filmation's Ghostbusters. The fandom is mostly divided on which animated series came first, and on which ghost-busting premise (proton packs vs. dematerializers) is better.
  • Never, ever bring up the Star Wars: The Clone Wars series on a forum. You will immediately be flamed for liking the new series over the old 2D Clone Wars cartoons. There are people who like the old series because it's more "mature", while the new series is a "kid's show". Then there are the people who say that the old Clone Wars series is "childish, plotless, and completely stupid", while the new Clone Wars series is "full of mature themes, real story, and wonderful characters."
    • Also, never, ever mention Ahsoka Tano. If you do, you will find your thread flooded with people who either think she's a "great character" or is "a pointless, stupid, annoying addition to Star Wars."
  • Tom and Jerry has had a broken base for decades, and it should come as no surprise seeing that the protagonist and the antagonist in any given short is sometimes left up to the viewer's opinion. Jerry's Hatedom can be quite passionate, however.
  • The Fairly Oddparents:
    • Grow Up Timmy Turner, the Live action version of The Fairly OddParents. There are people who detest this movie and who view it as violating canon. Also, Shipping Wars play a part in this because according to the live action movie Timmy and Tootie are meant to be. Not to mention that many fans point out that it seemingly violates the canon of "Channel Chasers". On the other hand, there seem to be a number of fans who are looking forward to it.
    • Even ignoring the rabid Ship-to-Ship Combat, The Fairly Oddparents is one of the most controversial cartoons of its time. Most fans consider it fell into Seasonal Rot but no one can agree when. As early a season 3, after Channel Chasers, after Poof, after Sparky, or after Chloe? There's also a minority who like all the seasons.
    • The series in later seasons is markedly different from how it originally was, similarly to SpongeBob. The characters have gone through a lot of flanderization, more minor characters like Mr. Crocker and Timmy's dad were made into main characters, and much of the extended cast has become borderlinebackground characters (such as Trixie, Timmy's friends, etc). Whether these changes were acceptable or not varies, which usually coincides with when fans think the series hit Seasonal Rot.
  • Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated:
    • Fans now have to make the same hard choice Shaggy faces: his best friend Scooby or his previous partner in mystery solving now romantic interest Velma.
    • Shaggy's relationship with Velma is one of these in itself. Many fans see it as a Romantic Plot Tumor (even those that shipped the two prior to the show) while others thought it added an interesting take on their characters.
    • The various changes to the characterizations are the commonly debated part of the series amongst Scooby-Doo fans. Velma and Fred are especially prone to this. Velma was always the fan-favorite but her interpretation in Mystery Inc is a Love It or Hate It deal. Is she too sassy to the point of being an annoying jerk or is she the best Velma to date specifically due to her sarcasm?
  • Doug:
    • When Doug left Nickelodeon for ABC, the base was very broken over whether the new series was good or not. On one side, the Disney version's detractors disliked many of the changes made to the show, such as the characters receiving new clothes and hairstyles, locations being changed, some new characters being added like Guy Graham and Doug's new little sister, Cleopatra "Dirtbike" Funnie, and a few changes in the writing and voices. While some of the Doug fans that disliked the Disney episodes sometimes made valid reasons for not liking them (the episodes being written differently than the Nick ones, the new characters not being necessary, the colors were brightened too much, etc.), some of the other complaints end up boiling them down to them hating the show because "Doug's shirt looks different" or "Patti got a haircut". Other fans didn't mind too much, mainly as the changes were given reasons in-universe (note that the Disney episodes take place a year after the Nickelodeon episodes), and managed to gain a number of fans for the show that weren't able to see the Nickelodeon episodes first if they didn't have cable. The fanbase more or less breaks down to the fans who love the Nick episodes and despise the Disney episodes, and the fans that enjoyed both (though even fans of the Disney episodes will admit that the Nickelodeon seasons were better). And one change in the Disney episodes the fans tend to be unanimous on hating was Doug's new voice (Billy West didn't reprise the role for the series due to pay concerns).
    • Doug's 1st Movie broke the base even more; some fans (even fans of the Disney episodes) disliked how the movie had a more "fantastical" sense to it with the Lucky Duck Lake monster and other elements, not to mention it being a minor Cliché Storm. The same fans will also blame the movie for killing the franchise for performing badly with critics, despite it not being the case (the movie came out right before the last episodes aired; the show ended due to Disney's episode policy at the time and eventually the show's studio leaving Disney). Other fans admit that while the movie was indeed flawed, it wasn't as bad as others make it seem (but still far from a great movie) and had a number of good things about it; namely Doug and Patti's arc in the movie.
  • Rugrats fans can't seem to decide whether All Grown Up! was a good idea or if it was a horrible spinoff that killed every positive element from the source cartoon. The same can be said about the episodes that came after the show's first cancellation and resurrection, as well as Dil and Kimi showing up. At one point, these got more hate than the post-movie Sponge Bob episodes, despite not changing much apart from additional characters.
  • The My Little Pony fandom is deeply broken when it comes to the generations:
  • The Warner Bros. fanbase is very divided over Loonatics Unleashed. Some see it as an interesting take on Looney Tunes that needed some work but is still So Cool, It's Awesome, while others see it as an utter disgrace that made Avery and Jones spin in their graves.
  • Similar to the above, The Looney Tunes Show, with people debating over the different personalities/roles of the main characters, the neighborhood setting, and the overall sitcom comedy style replacing the slapstick and cartoon gags of the original shorts.
  • The Ren & Stimpy Show: Everything after John K.'s original run on the series is polarizing. Many fans will say that the Games episodes are an insult to the original show, but many others will say they were good enough in their own right. Same with the Adult Party Cartoon episodes.
  • While Kennedy Cartoons had a bit of a Hatedom for a while, many fans began supporting them to the point where now fans are divided whether their bouncy animation was very well done or very ugly.
  • In a less extreme case of the above, people are divided on whether Toon City is on par with TMS Entertainment, Studio Ghibli, Carbunkle Cartoons, Startoons, Disney's studios in Los Angeles, Japan, and Australia, and the like, or if they're only on par with the likes of Rough Draft Studios, Moi Animation, DR Movie, and JM Animation.
  • Hey Arnold! fans are hotly divided on the infamous cliffhanger ending to the series. Because of a rumored final movie that was to have resolved the show's remaining plotlines, fans are now divided between those who are fighting for the movie's revival and those who are satisfied with how things ended, or feel the movie would not live up to a decade's worth of built-up fan expectations. Mentioning which "side" you are on is a quick way to start a bloody argument.
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles:
  • Recess:
    • Fans are torn on the DTV movie, Recess: Taking the Fifth Grade, which was released two years after the show ended. One side loves it, while the other side found it too boring compared to the rest of the series. Both bases do agree, however, that T.J.'s new voice actor whomped.
    • Recess: All Growed Down and Recess Christmas: Miracle on Third Street have one half of the base complaining that they were only made up of previous episodes linked together, while the others are happy about that, as Disney stopped showing reruns in 2011 and there aren't any official season sets.
  • Code Lyoko fans are torn over Code Lyoko: Evolution. Many are happy to see the series again while others are decrying the fact live action replaced the 2D.
  • The American Dragon: Jake Long fandom is considerably torn between whether the art design change from season 1 to 2 was a good thing or not.
  • The Un-Cancelled seasons of Johnny Bravo. While some fans liked the larger central cast and more kid-friendly humor, other fans hated the Flanderization and Art Shift.
  • The Twisted Tales of Felix the Cat:
    • An in-universe case appears. Fans of "The Fuzzy Bunny Show" argued over which part they like more. (When he says "nick woo" or "neck woo"). They even fought over it.
    • Out-of-universe, opinions differ on which of Felix's voice actors was better; Thom Adcox-Hernandez or Charles Adler.
  • Just try to ask a Total Drama Island fan about how they feel on any of the characters, especially Duncan or Courtney. No seriously, ask. You're either going to be told about how amazingly awesome or annoyingly awful they are. And this goes for ANY character in the show. Since season 4, the most controversy usually comes regarding Mike and/or Zoey- there are those who consider them as offensive, screenhogs, or terrible role models, whereas others argue that they're funny or very relatable characters. Mike's portrayal of DID is a hot topic- some consider the portrayal of a mental disorder as a joke as inaccurate and offensive, and some don't find it a big deal and enjoy his personalities or find the portrayal accurate after all.
  • Superjail!:
    • Superjail encountered a big example of this trope after the second season premiered, as the story format in episodes had changed along with the animation style (Augenblick had been too busy with Ugly Americans, so the job went to Titmouse). Cries of Ruined Forever could be heard, although there were fans that wound up on the defensive of any sort of criticism, claiming that anyone who didn't like any new stories had to be anti-character development and not a "real" fan. Likewise, certain season 2 critics also asserted that those who appreciated anything weren't real fans.
    • Season 3 was a less extreme example of conflicting fan opinions, although there are those that still miss the Augenblick team and consider the Titmouse episodes to be too cartoony in style.
    • Some fans of season 2 presented the opinion that season 1 was far too sexual and nonsensical, which others didn't agree with and made another divide.
    • Personality changes in the characters have divided other fans: Is Warden better when he's more sadistic or more childish? Did Jared's increase in snarkiness ruin his original Butt Monkey personality? Were the Twins ruined and made too weak after having their alien heritage confirmed? You'll see quite the debate on these, among others.
    • Lord Stingray joining the cast is either seen as the staff bringing in a new character to keep the show fresh, or a completely unnecessary and obnoxious addition.
    • Alice's backstory confirming her as Transsexual. There are those that believe her story was a foregone conclusion and something that helped make her seem a little more sympathetic, while other fans claim it ruined their guessing games about her genitalia and became enraged that she didn't have an ambiguous gender or that her bulge just wasn't a sight gag.
    • The very existence of Rule 34 in the fandom can spawn much debate and flames in certain parts of the internet. It's either seen as reasonable to exist considering the adult nature of the show, or as an abomination and proof that fans are ruining the show for their own strange ships and fantasies. This is also coupled with Ship-to-Ship Combat over slash pairings (usually male/male, rarely female/female) vs. the het. Anime-style fanart or works by the East Asian portion of the fanbase are another can of worms.
    • There are even debates on whether or not the Mistress is more likable as a hippie since her radical personality transformation at the very end of "Stingstress". That, and what caused her to become a hippie (Alice sleeping with her) is known to upset a particular faction of fans because of the assumption that it was the creators thumbing their noses at Warden/Mistress.
    • Season 4 being six episodes (reasons currently unknown) has caused another split: Fans who still want to watch it, and fans who have decided the show's as good as cancelled/dead and claiming that no one should bother (the anger over Warden/Mistress not being canonized also overlaps with this viewpoint) .
  • Codename: Kids Next Door:
    • If you're a fan of the series, chances are you think the show's finale "OP: INTERVIEWS" is either a great ending to a great show or a straight up Gainax Ending from start to finish that messes up the formula of the show for the sake of having a Tear Jerker Bittersweet Ending.
    • The Galatic KND is either an awesome plot twist or a total Ass Pull.
    • Also, you may consider Chad stating that he's a Good All Along double agent during "OP: TREATY", despite the attacks on the KND he made since of the end of the 2nd season, to be either a last-minute Ass Pull made for arbitrary reasons, or an acceptable twist that you think actually makes sense.
    • Opinions also differ on Heinrich's Unsettling Gender Reveal in "OP: CARAMEL".
    • There's also the Ship-to-Ship Combat, which is still going on in some form years after the show ended.
    • Did the show take itself too seriously? Was its Cerebus Syndrome a good thing or not?
  • Gravity Falls:
    • Was the infamous Troll Fic Dipper Goes to Taco Bell just good, Squicky fun, or a horrible fanfic that's so disgusting it makes MLP's Cupcakes look like Dora the Explorer?
      • It's pretty safe to say that a majority thinks it's a horrible fanfic that makes Cupcakes look like Dora the Explorer.
    • Is Dipper trying to impress Wendy adorable or one hell of a Romantic Plot Tumor?
      • The above is not much of a problem as of "Into the Bunker" where they actually talk about Dipper's crush and decide they are better off as friends.
    • Is Mabel just an average preteen that revels in the bright side of life and occasionally follows her heart more than she should or a complete Mary Sue that manages to get away with everything?
    • The ending, more particularly Stan getting his memories back. It was either a cop-out made to avoid a Bittersweet Ending or it makes sense in the context of the cartoon.
    • In the end we never did learn Dipper's real name. Fans either feel annoyed and lied to that it was never stated or feel it is for the best as his name would likely leave people disappointed (many fans were already upset at "Dipper" being a nickname), plus it leaves fans to enjoy their fanon names.
    • The Author, aka the real Stanford Pines, is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. Is he a hero doing the best he can to overcome years of trauma, fix his past mistakes, and connect with his family? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for his own ambition and spurns his brother's love out of arrogance? You decide!
  • Regular Show:
  • Looney Tunes
    • If Daffy better as a screwy trickster or a greedy jerk? Fans of the former claim he's funnier, while fans of the latter claim he feels more "human".
    • Fresh Airedale is a very polarizing short. Some say it was supposed to convey a message of two-faced jerks coming out on top and the underdog being left out in the cold. Others say it was a mean-spirited, unfunny, flat-out horrible cartoon. This was dealt with in the DVD Commentary, in which a negative IMDb review was quoted.
    • Are Pepe Le Pew's shorts funny or just creepy?
    • Speedy Gonzales is a huge Base-Breaking Character.
    • Whether the Seven Arts shorts (1967-69) are even worth watching.
    • Even Bugs Bunny isn't immune to this, even by his own creators. Some view him as a charismatic icon that defined the cartoon Karmic Trickster trope or basically a heroic Smug Snake. The Bugs vs Elmer shorts are of particular debate, some believe they consist of some of the most iconic shorts in the series, others feel Elmer was so pitiful Bugs' usual runaround looked more like an unpleasant glorified bullying.
  • The Goof Troop fans who think Pete is the dad from hell and Goofy deserves to win Father of the Eon vs. the ones who think they're Not So Different, and that neither is totally awful but neither is perfect. This split seems to come mainly from people who prioritize kindness (or, alternatively, cruelty) and ones who prioritize competence. Though there are some who think Pete is a great father or that Goofy is a terrible one, they're usually outside the realm of the debate.
  • Even the Sonic the Hedgehog fans are divided on which cartoon series was better for the series as a whole:
    • Was Sonic SatAM a great cartoon series that greatly developed Sonic's character and added more depth to the series or was it an unfaithful adaptation of the beloved video games that was too dark for its own good?
    • Was Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog the most faithful animated adaptation of the Sonic games or was it an immature version of the famous hedgehog?
    • Was Sonic Underground a decent attempt at a whole different take on the franchise, or a bastardized mess that barely connected to the series in any way?
    • Even Sonic Boom was exposed to this before the show even premiered with Knuckles' new character design breaking the fan base in two. Does Knuckles' new character design fit greatly with the character's strength capabilities or should they have kept his original design from the video games? While the show got positive reviews after launching, old sega fans are never pleased. Half will say the show is funny and smart, while the other half will say it's too childish and/or fast paced. Also, being a new character, Sticks is a major Base-Breaking Character. Does she deserve her spot with the main cast? Are her jokes funny and original or forced and predictable? Is her voice cute or the Most Annoying Sound?
  • Considering how Seth Mcfarlene's previous shows fared, The Cleveland Show is of exceptional debate. Is it either a redundant lower quality copy of Family Guy with excessive "black guy" jokes, or a decent spin off that kept better moderation of humor and characterization than the former show?
  • Fans seem completely split over Thomas the Tank Engine's shift to CGI animation. Many fans find it a complete betrayal to the original model series, or a necessary move that opened up more potential for characterization and flexibility story wise.
  • Some crossover here between animation and comic book fandom, over wither Ultimate Spider-Man is a good show with funny jokes or a cheap, pandering replacement for The Spectacular Spider-Man that got Marvel's best cartoon in years cancelled to be replaced by similar crap.
  • The 1960s Popeye TV shorts; some fans hate them for their cheap, stiff and often sloppy animation, while others, particularly fans of the comics, enjoy them for featuring Thimble Theatre characters, like the Sea Hag and Alice the Goon, who never appeared in the Paramount shorts.
  • ChalkZone:
    • A number of fans seem to have mixed opinions regarding the music video segments. Some fans see them as being catchy and fun, while other fans find them to be too cheesy. Other fans take the middle ground and agree that some of the songs were awesome, while the others were kind of cheesy. And then there's the camp that liked the music videos more when they were in the target audience.
    • Season four's art style also caused this. Some fans loved ChalkZone's more detailed look, the real world becoming more colorful, and the real world scenes switching out the black outlines for colored outlines. Other fans felt as if the art evolution was a little "too much" and preferred the look of the first three seasons.
  • Cartoon Network: The biggest divider in CN's fanbase is without doubt when CN started going bad and whether it has improved since Adventure Time premiered on the network.
  • The 2006 revival of Biker Mice from Mars had a rather divisive reception. While it was a Sequel Series rather than a Continuity Reboot and even had Rob Paulsen, Ian Ziering, and Dorian Harewood reprise their roles as the titular Biker Mice Throttle, Vinnie, and Modo, many fans of the original 1993 series didn't like the character redesigns or the fact that the original show's villains Lawrence Limburger, Dr. Karbunkle, and Greasepit were Demoted to Extra in favor of new villains the Catatonians and Ronaldo Rump.
  • The Amazing World of Gumball:
    • Season 3 wound up being a divisive season for the show. Was Seasonal Rot and Flanderization (especially on Gumball and Darwin's part) setting in, or had the show grown the beard with its development of the characters and setting of the series?
    • In "The Shell", the status quo was shaken up something fierce when Penny shed her shell, revealing her true form as a shape-shifting fairy-esque creature. While most parts of the fanbase have grown to embrace this change, a number of folks were (and some still are) upset that True!Penny's form wasn't what they had thought it would wind up being. Especially folks whose head-canons were that Penny was actually a deer under her shell.
  • Almost every animated show on post-2009 Nickelodeon is this in some way. Are they worthy of the Nicktoon brand, or are they a disgrace to the franchise? For example:
    • Is Fanboy and Chum Chum a clever little show with likable side characters or a annoying mess bogged down by the eponymous characters? (Themselves being Base Breaking Characters.
    • Was T.U.F.F. Puppy one of Butch Hartman's better and funnier TV shows or was it a bland and annoying one-trick-pony that didn't do more with its premise?
    • Did Sanjay and Craig succeed in being a charming love-letter to the 90s, or was it just another substance-less post-2009 Nicktoon like many of the others, and one that ripped off shows such as Regular Show? The show is generally considered to have discovered its identity and grown the beard starting in its second season, but there are still those who stand by their opinion that the show was never any good.
    • Is Breadwinners a fun, energetic show that also hearkens back to the 90s, or one of the most obnoxious shows in television history?
    • Is Pig Goat Banana Cricket a return to form for the network with its entertaining (if crazy) plots and characters, or is it nonsensical and rather ugly-looking show that's just more of the same?
  • Miraculous Ladybug:
    • The hop from the 2D PV to the CGI series. While most are welcome to the change in art style and are impressed by the visuals, many others would have preferred to see the Animesque, Pretty Cure-styled visuals seen in the original PV.
    • There are those that are annoyed at how the show was changed from a relatively darker superhero series meant for teens and young adults into a Lighter and Softer show geared towards younger audiences, while others argue that this change will help it gain a wider audience, since networks were not interested in the series until it was toned down.
  • Steven Universe: Gems genders are a tough topic in the fandom. There are those who believe they have no physical sexes but are female gendered while others believe they don't consider themselves female but use female pronouns. There are arguments on both sides but debates can be quite aggressive.
  • The Lion Guard:
    • The series tore The Lion King's fandom to bits. The concept of Simba having a previously unmentioned son unnerved many fans however people could buy it if they either made the series take place after The Lion King II: Simba's Pride or they retconned the film out of existence. The series uses a middle ground: It takes place when Kiara was a cub however she has a slightly younger brother named Kion, and two other unrelated cubs exist. This is a complete retcon as the second film made it clear Kiara was an only cub and the only other cubs her age were Vitani and Kovu. Many fans are perturbed by the retcon—saying it would be more interesting if Kiara was Kion's teenaged/adult sister instead. Kopa fans in particular really hate Kion, seeing him as a poor Suspiciously Similar Substitute. Fans on the other hand either don't care or acknowledge the series as taking place in an Alternate Continuity from the films, much like Timon & Pumbaa was.
    • The series contains a Genre Shift into more fantasy elements that weren't mentioned before. The series wasn't completely naturalistic before however it didn't contain such obvious fantastical qualities such as the Roar Of The Elders or anthropomorphic issues such as The Lion Guard. This has upset people who enjoyed the fact the franchise was a normal animal story but others find it an interesting take that could be done well.
    • The series is an Edutainment Show yet contains multiple zoology errors. Fans have put its edutainment status into question for that reason while others give it artistic liberty or let the writers off easy as it is aimed at very young children.
  • Care Bears: Adventures in Care-a-Lot was a center of at least three known broken bases. To wit:
    • Canon foreigner and designated woobie Oopsy Bear. Feelings about him are split between "Want to cuddle him all the time" and "Stupid bear, don't like him". Didn't help that some fans also felt like he was put in to replace Good Luck Bear (he wasn't, it was just that Good Luck Bear was conveniently demoted to extra).
    • The demotion of Tenderheart Bear to extra and promotion of Cheer Bear to new leader. Likewise, Good Luck Bear only appearing in background.
    • The fact that the bears were redesigned to be less chubby. Feelings were split between "the redesign was long overdue" and "the redesign was uncalled for".
  • The possibility of a Roger Rabbit-esque movie crossing over Nickelodeon's famed Nicktoons, including, but not limited to Rugrats, Ren and Stimpy, The Angry Beavers, and even Doug and Hey Arnold!. Some are excited at the idea of their favorite childhood characters meeting up and having an adventure, and think a movie like this could work if the folks working on it know what they are doing. Others, however, think that the idea is pandering too much to the 90s fanbase and brings back bad memories of poorly received previous movie revivals of classic TV shows; fearing that a 90s Nickelodeon movie like this would fall into We're Still Relevant, Dammit and Human-Focused Adaptation like those movies did. Another fear had by those against the idea of this is that crossing over the wildly different TV shows (which includes mostly mundane slice-of-life shows such as Doug, Rugrats, Hey Arnold! and more fantastical and absurd ones like The Angry Beavers, Ren And Stimpy, and Aaah! Real Monsters) is just too complex to be done well.
  • The Powerpuff Girls (2016): The 2016 reboot utterly wrecked The Powerpuff Girls fandom. The first official art showed off the girls redesigns. Fans were either confused why they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as they're minor changes it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that the girls voice actresses were replaced upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse— fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, and the way the new voices sound. There are episode rumors circulating about that may or may not be true, however they still provoked many fans to complain that the series is trying to hard to be modern. Despite all the criticism there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their Nostalgia Goggles on too hard, that it isn't even made for the now-adult fans but is for a new generation.
  • Was the 2014 Rainbow Brite mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its Denser and Wackier tone often occur.
  • Dexter's Laboratory:
    • Were the post-cancellation episodes good or a prime example of Seasonal Rot with horrible characterizations and many retcons,
    • Was the art style change a good thing or not?
    • Was Dexter's Rude Removal worth the wait or was it disappointing?
  • The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy:
    • Was the show's Reverse Cerebus Syndrome a good call, or did it lead to Seasonal Rot?
    • Thanks to Flanderization, a few characters became this. Is Billy still funny, or just a one-note annoyance? And is Mandy's cynicism still charming, or is she so evil that she's an Unintentionally Unsympathetic Jerk Sue?
    • Fred Fredburger was a pretty good comic relief in his first appearance, but some think he became a bit overused and aggravating.
    • Irwin is a mild example. There are a few people who find him too clingy, an unnecessary spotlight stealer, or dorky to the point were it was obnoxious. That being said, it seems like he's still very popular with fans, and Underfist did give him a shot at redemption.
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