Even the fans who don't like it anymore can't agree exactly on "when" it started sucking. Though most fans agree that the show's golden era was Seasons 3 to 8, fans are divided over whether the first bad season was the ninth, the tenth, the eleventh, the twelfth, and so on.
"The Computer Wore Menace Shoes.": One half says it's one of the worst episodes because the second half is shamelessly contrived and out of place and the other half found it hilarious. Other episodes involving bizarre plots, such as "Saddlesore Galactica", "Kill The Alligator and Run" and "Simpson Safari" have received similar criticisms.
"Lisa's Sax": Some call it a cute, heartwarming episode with an awesome ending to boot, while other can't get past Bart's sad subplot (If somebody hates this episode, chances are that will be the reason) and despise the character pampering Lisa is given in it.
Fans are very divided over the following episodes, all of which were controversial:
"Lisa the Vegetarian": Was Lisa right to express her sudden loathing of meat consumption and then learn to tolerate it, or was it an unnecessary development that detrimentally Flanderized her character?
"Homer'sEnemy": Was the relentless torture of one-time character Frank Grimes funny and meaningful (demonstrating how an ordinary person could not survive in the chaotic Simpsons universe) or incredibly mean-spirited?
"The Principal and the Pauper": Was this episode a clever, interesting twist on a classic Simpsons character (Seymour Skinner) or an insulting waste of time that permanently ruined him and the previous character development he went through?
"Homer vs. Dignity" Was the major humiliation Homer experiences in this episode (including the scene where he is raped by a panda) funny and well-deserved, or is it so painful to watch that it destroyed any remaining purity the show retained after its quality dropped?
"The Boysof Bummer": Was this episode a clever satire of the ways in which over-patriotic sports fans take games too seriously and forget the importance of sportsmanship, or a seriously cruel and unfunny episode where Bart is subjected to relentless abuse (and is even driven to suicide at one point)?
Family Guy is in basically the same position as The Simpsons now.
For a good summation of trends, cutaway gags have gone from unsteady experimentation to get the formula down, to legitimately funny cutaway gags that generally use the same formula (and so get old after a few years), to cutaways that derive comedy from subverting the expectations of those savvy to the formula, to cutaways that forget the "gag" part, the cutaways for which the gag is is based on mocking the vary concept of cutaways. All of these are very different types of humor.
Sexually ambiguous Stewie vs evil genius Stewie.
Multiple reviewers have complained that the newest seasons have effectively run out of ideas and don't make any effort to change things, while fans have either sympathized their position or sided with Seth MacFarlane and see them as ridiculous.
Brian's No-Holds-Barred Beatdown by Quagmire in "Quagmire's Dad" on whether Brian deserved it or not. And the Quagmire vs Brian running feud as a whole, particularly since it was conceived as a Take That, Scrappy! against Brian initially. Brian eventually hating Quagmire back and abusing and calling him out in a similar manner only made it even more polarising.
There is a sharp division on fans about who likes "Quagmire's Dad", "The Juice is Loose", "Road to the Multiverse", "You May Now Kiss the...Uh...Guy Who Receives" , "Tea Peter", "Go Stewie Go", "Be Careful What You Fish For" and especially "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven".
Fans and non-fans alike were effectively torn over the whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?
Futurama is catching up too, but nowhere near as much as The Simpsons.
Though it's fashionable among critics to bash the "new episodes," there's a lot of internal debate as to at what precise season/year/moment the show begins being "new."
The movies especially tend to be love-it or hate-it. Some were just happy to have new Futurama after 5 years. Others felt that it wasn't doing justice to the original run. The debate has (mostly) settled down, with people agreeing that the problem was format, having to create a movie that could be divided into four television episodes.
Fans are also divided over the movie - was it a hilarious animated comedy that did justice to its source material, or was it an overblown, cash-grab that foreshadowed the show's gradual decline? Was Season 4 the last good season, or the first bad one?
Some fans have noticed an increase in quality since Season 8, and admittedly there have been a few gems in that and Season 9 so far. Still, some fans refuse to acknowledge any improvements.
There's a group that prefers the Un-Cancelled seasons to the original seasons.
Most fans agree that the Transformers franchise has had its ups and downs, but which is which is forever the subject of heated debate. Transformers Animated is simultaneously the best and worst show ever.
Or maybe the franchise has been "Ruined FOREVER!" (the trope naming franchise, actually): "Fans realize something Hasbro does not, that robust 25-year-old billion-dollar franchises, while seemingly healthy, are in actuality as fragile as two bricks tied together with tissue paper." That line pretty much describes the fanbase's position on everything.
There are Transformers fans who think the original was the ONLY series, with all other subsequent series to be inferior knockoffs. These people are known as "Geewunners", and can be identified by their distinctive rallying cry of "TRUKK NOT MUNKY!". On the flipside there are "Reeduners"(a derogatory take on "geewun" based on "G1", a parody of "redone") who hate everything old and groan every time a past series is references.
Arguments over the Bay films, comic vs cartoon, Marvel vs Dreamwave vs IDW...
The 2009 film Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen divided the fanbase, with half of the fans considering the film an unwatchable monstrosity that ruined the reputation of the franchise, and the other half loving it regardless, looking past the tacky storyline and bad acting and instead enjoying the plentiful amounts of action, huge explosions and highly complicated special effects in the film.
It's seriously to the point where the only thing fans can agree on is their hatred of Pat Lee, and Squick at Kiss Players. And even then, there's room for other opinions, especially those who find creepy imagery, and therefor Kiss Players, funny.
Strange as it sounds, nobody really questions whether or not Ben and Gwen are "meant to be together", as it's more of whether or not the Gwen/Kevin relationship was an ass-pulled cover story, or a legitimate attempt to separate characters they forgot were related (ironically, they WEREN'T supposed to be related: it was last-minute to give them a good reason why Gwen should even be on the trip).
Season three is also controversial for the fanbase. If you don't like it and explain why, you're likely be harassed for not being a 'true fan', but if you do like it, you're dismissed as a drooling, zealot fanboy/girl.
Azula's series finale Villainous Breakdown is a subject of much controversy as well. People who think the influence of Azula's father on her actions gives her a valid Freudian Excuse, and that Azula deserves to be forgiven and redeemed, are accused of downplaying her numerous wicked actions over the course of the series, including advocating genocide of the Earth Kingdom in the finale. People who think that Azula has no excuse for her actions, and that not only was her Villainous Breakdown well-deserved, but that she deserves to spend the rest of her life suffering in prison, are accused of overlooking Azula's mental fragility and her father's influence on her actions. The fact that Bryke left Azula's fate ambiguous will likely leave fans warring over this issue for a long time.
Heck, Azula herself is guaranteed to cause arguments in the fandom, between those who think she's way too powerful and those who think she's awesome. But then again, the same could be said for almost all the cast.
How Aang defeats Ozai has created quite the break, itself. There are those who feel Aang's "spiritbending" trick (or as many call it "The Easy Button") was a lame Ass Pull for the sole purpose of not having Aang kill Ozai, rendering three seasons worth of training to master Water, Earth, and Firebending worthless. Others feel that if Aang hadn't mastered the elements and achieved true Avatar status, he never would've been able to access the spiritbending trick at all and saw it as a perfectly acceptable third option. And, of course, there's the overwhelmed minority who's just willing to chalk it up to Rule of Cool and apply the MST3K Mantra to any argument to "how".
Sequel SeriesThe Legend of Korra was even more prone to ideological splits, with new splits seemingly occurring with every new episode. Let's start from the top.
The fan base was initially divided over the steampunk setting. Fans that like the setting point out that ATLA already used it on a smaller scale, while others still scoffed at the number of technological advancements made. The debate was rekindled when the final season introduced a giant robot. An offshoot of the debate also concerns whether the show's setting is "too modern" for the type of stories that the writers want to tell.
One of the biggest points of contention was over Korra's race and ethnicity. One side insists that Korra is of color, and fanworks depicting her with lighter or white skin trivialize the importance of a dark-skinned woman as a main character. The other claims that race is a non-issue with fictional characters, and Korra's skintone should be a matter of fan creators' individual preferences. In-show, Korra shares an ethnicity and skintone with Katara and Sokka, who are of the explicitly Inuit-based Water Tribe.
Another contention over Korra is the depiction of her build. Much like with the aforementioned skintone issue, it largely breaks into two camps. The first decries any fanwork that depicts Korra with less developed muscle tone than in canon. The second camp claims that Korra's build should be a matter of fan creators' individual preference. Depictions of Korra with greater muscle tone than in canon draw far fewer complaints.
Following the online premiere of the first two episodes, the fanbase fractured again, this time over whether or not Korra was being written as a saviour-esque character in regards to bender privilege.
And then there's the first season finale. It should be mentioned that Korra was supposed to be a twelve-episode Mini Series, which means it was going to be a series finale as well. Given the fanbase's reaction to the previous series's finale, this is fully expected. And it's for similar reasons, even.
While few would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first season Big Bad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans are sharply divided over the extent to which the Villain Has a Point, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government is a vast Fantastic Racist conspiracy, benders are Nazis, and Amon is a freedom fighter!"
Asami was originally an Equalist inside agent. However, that was scrapped in development. In hindsight, fans wonder if that would have been better on not. On the pro-Equalist side are people who think it was foreshadowed for much of Book 1 and would have liked Asami to have gone through a Heel–Face Turn similar to Zuko. People who dislike the idea don't like Asami as a stereotypical Femme Fatale or think she would have been handled poorly and have been locked up in jail for the entire series, instead of given a redemption plot or turning on the Equalists.
Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a deeply debated one. There are a number of lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and had a strong bond with her however it is never outright stated in the series. Season four shows them always at each other's throats and with no relationship outside animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally Abusive Parent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin trying to assasinate Kuvira was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin refusing to forgive Kuvira was right or not are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's Base-Breaking Character status from Book 3.
Fionna and Cake - best thing that happened to the show, or disgusting pandering to the fanbase?
The darker Myth Arcs are also starting to divide fans. Some find them too dark and out of place, others believe it adds great depth to the series and is part of the fun.
The more extreme side of this is that some people prefer the worldbuilding/backstory episodes to Finn's various and all-too-unsatisfying romance plots, lamenting when an episode focuses on him instead of a secondary character or event
The most controversial part is whether or not the break up between Finn and Flame Princess was really all that necessary
Princess Bubblegum's actions in several fifth and sixth season episodes have caused the fandom to split over whether she's a realistically pragmatic ruler doing what's necessary to keep her kingdom safe and stable, or a cruel, power-crazed tyrant who needs to be overthrown by any means necessary. This overlaps with the Lemongrab wars, with some pro-Lemongrab fans blaming all his more dangerously insane or actively malevolent behaviour on Bubblegum's ill-treatment of him. The Bubblegum vs. Lemongrab feud caused edit warring bad enough for the show's YMMV page on this wiki to be locked.
The Danny Phantom fandom has an ongoing war between "true fans" and "anti-fans." The true fans believe in only writing fandom and drawing Fan Art they believe creator Butch Hartman would approve of, and tend towards being Moral Guardians over any fora they're part of. The anti-fans, on the other hand, believe in fanart as an expression of the fan's thoughts and fantasies, from crack / fandom pairings to drawing porn of the characters (which was probably how the war started anyway).
The fan base for Wolverine and the X-Men is often split with some fans liking the fact that the show was able to adapt some of the current X-Men story lines, while the other side of the fan base complained about the show giving too much attention to Wolverine and not enough attention to the other X-Men characters.
The fanbase was once split over the issue of Character Development. Some enjoyed watching Daria open up to her peers, make new friends, get a boyfriend, soften her hard line, etc. Others, identified much more closely with Daria as a cynical misanthrope, declared They Changed It, Now It Sucks.
The entire character of Tom Sloane was a massive splitting point for the fandom.
Starting with season 2 the series became Denser and Wackier. Along with this change came personality changes to multiple characters. Fans differ on what versions they prefer: season 1 or season 2?
Due to how animation production generally works (i.e., if you aren't 'South Park'', then an episode takes at least nine months to make), the cartoon could not reference new political issues in the topical manner that the comic did. Fans of the newspaper comic are heavily torn over whether the show is a terrible adaptation or whether did they do the best they could?
Phineas and Ferb: The Time Skip episode "Act Your Age". Detractors tend to say that the designs for the future versions of the kids look bad and that the plot feels like a "bad fanfiction" where nothing happens and then the problem is simply resolved at the last moments, but there are people who also appreciate what it does and find it to be a sweet resolution to Isabella's story arc. (Similarly the "I loved you as children, you loved me as teenagers" situation is either painfully stupid, or else sweetly realistic of young love). Also could count as Hype Backlash given how anticipated the episode was, especially with Ferbnessa being canon.
The episode "If It Smells Like an Ed". There are fans that either hate it for being the cruelest blow to the Edsever, or consider it among their list of favorites for being the first half-hour episode in the series and having elements of a Detective Drama.
The later seasons of Ed Edd N Eddy had the kids attending school. Some fans thought it was a refreshing change of pace, others thought it was the series Jumping the Shark.
As for the finale movie, Jonny and his derailment into a joke villain have been met with plenty mixed results.
The series was notorious for its Robin/Starfire vs. Robin/Raven fandom war. It got so bad that stating your preference was a quick way to makeenemies. There were even little online cultures around the ships—Robin/Starfire fandom tended to consider themselves more well-adjusted than the alternative, whereas Robin/Raven fandom often considered themselves more mature due to the complexnature of their fandom.
Beast Boy and Raven pretty much won this by being lampshaded in the final season and the closing issues of the comic based on the series, as well as becoming canon in the D.C Universe (albeit in a Will They or Won't They? way).
The series finale "Things Change": Brilliant and bittersweet way to end the series where Beast Boy learns a lesson about letting go, or a confusing and anti-climactic mess that goes against the mood of the series and leaves way too many unanswered questions? The way the episode treated Terra also really upset contemporary fans who had other ideas of what would happen when she was revived.
Should Red X's identity have been revealed, or does it not really matter who he is? Another debate that continues to echo long after the show's end.
Is Robin Dick Grayson or Tim Drake? There is nothing that suggests he is Tim - in fact everything from him being Starfire's love interest, to him being Nightwing, to the fact it's a New Teen Titans adaptation show very clearly he isn't - however it has been debated nevertheless.
Whether it is a fun comedy that manages to properly make fun of the characters and the DC Universe as a whole or an abomination that mocks the memory of the original series is a debate that overshadows almost everything else regarding the Teen Titans...other than the quality of the New 52 comics run.
"Why are you getting so worked up over a kid's show?" (or variations thereof) being asked in relation to Teen Titans Go! tends to bring up debates over whether detractors' problems with the show are justified (such as over whether or not the show is even kid-friendly, thanks to the heavy Black Comedy tone and the rampant Family Unfriendly Aesops) or are just them over-reacting to a show not meant for them in the first place.
Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows way of handling criticism. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes, but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of Teen Titans who loathe Go. To some, the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while others at least find them amusing.
An overlap with Film and Live-Action TV: There are two factions of Ghostbusters fans: the Ghostheads, who prefer the Columbia Pictures film and its animated series The Real Ghostbusters, and the Go-ers, fans of Filmation's 1975 live-action series The Ghost Busters and 1986 animated series Filmation's Ghostbusters. The fandom is mostly divided on which animated series came first, and on which ghost-busting premise (proton packs vs. dematerializers) is better.
Never, ever bring up the Star Wars: The Clone Wars series on a forum. You will immediately be flamed for liking the new series over the old 2D Clone Wars cartoons. There are people who like the old series because it's more "mature", while the new series is a "kid's show". Then there are the people who say that the old Clone Wars series is "childish, plotless, and completely stupid", while the new Clone Wars series is "full of mature themes, real story, and wonderful characters."
Also, never, ever mention Ahsoka Tano. If you do, you will find your thread flooded with people who either think she's a "great character" or is "a pointless, stupid, annoying addition to Star Wars."
Tom and Jerry has had a broken base for decades, and it should come as no surprise seeing that the protagonist and the antagonist in any given short is sometimes left up to the viewer's opinion. Jerry's Hatedom can be quite passionate, however.
Grow Up Timmy Turner, the Live action version of The Fairly OddParents!. There are people who detest this movie and who view it as violating canon. Also, Shipping Wars play a part in this because according to the live action movie Timmy and Tootie are meant to be. Not to mention that many fans point out that it seemingly violates the canon of "Channel Chasers". On the other hand, there seem to be a number of fans who are looking forward to it.
Even ignoring the rabid Ship-to-Ship Combat, The Fairly Oddparents is one of the most controversial cartoons of its time. Most fans consider it fell into Seasonal Rot but no one can agree when. As early a season 3, after Channel Chasers, after Poof, after Sparky, or after Chloe? There's also a minority who like all the seasons.
The series in later seasons is markedly different from how it originally was, similarly to SpongeBob. The characters have gone through a lot of flanderization, more minor characters like Mr. Crocker and Timmy's dad were made into main characters, and much of the extended cast has become borderlinebackground characters (such as Trixie, Timmy's friends, etc). Whether these changes were acceptable or not varies, which usually coincides with when fans think the series hit Seasonal Rot.
Fans now have to make the same hard choice Shaggy faces: his best friend Scooby or his previous partner in mystery solving now romantic interest Velma.
Shaggy's relationship with Velma is one of these in itself. Many fans see it as a Romantic Plot Tumor (even those that shipped the two prior to the show) while others thought it added an interesting take on their characters.
The various changes to the characterizations are the commonly debated part of the series amongst Scooby-Doo fans. Velma and Fred are especially prone to this. Velma was always the fan-favorite but her interpretation in Mystery Inc is a Love It or Hate It deal. Is she too sassy to the point of being an annoying jerk or is she the best Velma to date specifically due to her sarcasm?
When Doug left Nickelodeon for ABC, the base was very broken over whether the new series was good or not. On one side, the Disney version's detractors disliked many of the changes made to the show, such as the characters receiving new clothes and hairstyles, locations being changed, some new characters being added like Guy Graham and Doug's new little sister, Cleopatra "Dirtbike" Funnie, and a few changes in the writing and voices. While some of the Doug fans that disliked the Disney episodes sometimes made valid reasons for not liking them (the episodes being written differently than the Nick ones, the new characters not being necessary, the colors were brightened too much, etc.), some of the other complaints end up boiling them down to them hating the show because "Doug's shirt looks different" or "Patti got a haircut". Other fans didn't mind too much, mainly as the changes were given reasons in-universe (note that the Disney episodes take place a year after the Nickelodeon episodes), and managed to gain a number of fans for the show that weren't able to see the Nickelodeon episodes first if they didn't have cable. The fanbase more or less breaks down to the fans who love the Nick episodes and despise the Disney episodes, and the fans that enjoyed both (though even fans of the Disney episodes will admit that the Nickelodeon seasons were better). And one change in the Disney episodes the fans tend to be unanimous on hating was Doug's new voice (Billy West didn't reprise the role for the series due to pay concerns).
Doug's 1st Movie broke the base even more; some fans (even fans of the Disney episodes) disliked how the movie had a more "fantastical" sense to it with the Lucky Duck Lake monster and other elements, not to mention it being a minor Cliché Storm. The same fans will also blame the movie for killing the franchise for performing badly with critics, despite it not being the case (the movie came out right before the last episodes aired; the show ended due to Disney's episode policy at the time and eventually the show's studio leaving Disney). Other fans admit that while the movie was indeed flawed, it wasn't as bad as others make it seem (but still far from a great movie) and had a number of good things about it; namely Doug and Patti's arc in the movie.
Rugrats fans can't seem to decide whether All Grown Up! was a good idea or if it was a horrible spinoff that killed every positive element from the source cartoon. The same can be said about the episodes that came after the show's first cancellation and resurrection, as well as Dil and Kimi showing up. At one point, these got more hate than the post-movie Sponge Bob episodes, despite not changing much apart from additional characters.
The My Little Pony fandom is deeply broken when it comes to the generations:
Fans of those series are torn between whether the direct-to-video G3 episodes were any good or not, especially due to the fact it's way more saccharine then the generations before it.
A lot of the modern "bronies" that came in with My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic hate anything that isn't that show (though among the brony community there exists a relatively widespread respect, if not liking, for G1).
My Little Pony Tales also had fans who disliked the original for being too dark and edgy. And both fans of Tales and G3 questioned if Hasbro is doing the right thing by making FIM Darker and Edgier.
There are many fans of the 80's cartoons that don't like Friendship is Magic. The art style in particular is subject to debate, specifically whether it's cute or whether they look more like mutant Chihuahuas instead of horses. The actual stories are also up for debate.
Similar to the above, The Looney Tunes Show, with people debating over the different personalities/roles of the main characters, the neighborhood setting, and the overall sitcom comedy style replacing the slapstick and cartoon gags of the original shorts.
The Ren & Stimpy Show: Everything after John K.'s original run on the series is polarizing. Many fans will say that the Games episodes are an insult to the original show, but many others will say they were good enough in their own right. Same with the Adult Party Cartoon episodes.
Hey Arnold! fans are hotly divided on the infamous cliffhanger ending to the series. Because of a rumored final movie that was to have resolved the show's remaining plotlines, fans are now divided between those who are fighting for the movie's revival and those who are satisfied with how things ended, or feel the movie would not live up to a decade's worth of built-up fan expectations. Mentioning which "side" you are on is a quick way to start a bloody argument.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003): Is the fifth season (the "Ninja Tribunal") a solid conclusion to the original plot lines of seasons 1-4, or is it too much of a departure from them? Were all the Ninja Tribunal characters a welcome addition, or did they become too much of a Spotlight-Stealing Squad and take too much time away from the main characters?
Fans are torn on the DTV movie, Recess: Taking the Fifth Grade, which was released two years after the show ended. One side loves it, while the other side found it too boring compared to the rest of the series. Both bases do agree, however, that T.J.'s new voice actorwhomped.
An in-universe case appears. Fans of "The Fuzzy Bunny Show" argued over which part they like more. (When he says "nick woo" or "neck woo"). They even fought over it.
Out-of-universe, opinions differ on which of Felix's voice actors was better; Thom Adcox-Hernandez or Charles Adler.
Just try to ask a Total Drama Island fan about how they feel on any of the characters, especially Duncan or Courtney. No seriously, ask. You're either going to be told about how amazingly awesome or annoyingly awful they are. And this goes for ANY character in the show. Since season 4, the most controversy usually comes regarding Mike and/or Zoey- there are those who consider them as offensive, screenhogs, or terrible role models, whereas others argue that they're funny or very relatable characters. Mike's portrayal of DID is a hot topic- some consider the portrayal of a mental disorder as a joke as inaccurate and offensive, and some don't find it a big deal and enjoy his personalities or find the portrayal accurate after all.
Superjail encountered a big example of this trope after the second season premiered, as the story format in episodes had changed along with the animation style (Augenblick had been too busy with Ugly Americans, so the job went to Titmouse). Cries of Ruined Forever could be heard, although there were fans that wound up on the defensive of any sort of criticism, claiming that anyone who didn't like any new stories had to be anti-character development and not a "real" fan. Likewise, certain season 2 critics also asserted that those who appreciated anything weren't real fans.
Season 3 was a less extreme example of conflicting fan opinions, although there are those that still miss the Augenblick team and consider the Titmouse episodes to be too cartoony in style.
Some fans of season 2 presented the opinion that season 1 was far too sexual and nonsensical, which others didn't agree with and made another divide.
Personality changes in the characters have divided other fans: Is Warden better when he's more sadistic or more childish? Did Jared's increase in snarkiness ruin his original Butt Monkey personality? Were the Twins ruined and made too weak after having their alien heritage confirmed? You'll see quite the debate on these, among others.
Lord Stingray joining the cast is either seen as the staff bringing in a new character to keep the show fresh, or a completely unnecessary and obnoxious addition.
Alice's backstory confirming her as Transsexual. There are those that believe her story was a foregone conclusion and something that helped make her seem a little more sympathetic, while other fans claim it ruined their guessing games about her genitalia and became enraged that she didn't have an ambiguous gender or that her bulge just wasn't a sight gag.
The very existence of Rule 34 in the fandom can spawn much debate and flames in certain parts of the internet. It's either seen as reasonable to exist considering the adult nature of the show, or as an abomination and proof that fans are ruining the show for their own strange ships and fantasies. This is also coupled with Ship-to-Ship Combat over slash pairings (usually male/male, rarely female/female) vs. the het. Anime-style fanart or works by the East Asian portion of the fanbase are another can of worms.
There are even debates on whether or not the Mistress is more likable as a hippie since her radical personality transformation at the very end of "Stingstress". That, and what caused her to become a hippie (Alice sleeping with her) is known to upset a particular faction of fans because of the assumption that it was the creators thumbing their noses at Warden/Mistress.
Season 4 being six episodes (reasons currently unknown) has caused another split: Fans who still want to watch it, and fans who have decided the show's as good as cancelled/dead and claiming that no one should bother (the anger over Warden/Mistress not being canonized also overlaps with this viewpoint) .
If you're a fan of the series, chances are you think the show's finale "OP: INTERVIEWS" is either a great ending to a great show or a straight up Gainax Ending from start to finish that messes up the formula of the show for the sake of having a Tear JerkerBittersweet Ending.
The Galatic KND is either an awesome plot twist or a total Ass Pull.
Also, you may consider Chad stating that he's a Good All Along double agent during "OP: TREATY", despite the attacks on the KND he made since of the end of the 2nd season, to be either a last-minute Ass Pull made for arbitrary reasons, or an acceptable twist that you think actually makes sense.
The above is not much of a problem as of "Into the Bunker" where they actually talk about Dipper's crush and decide they are better off as friends.
Is Mabel just an average preteen that revels in the bright side of life and occasionally follows her heart more than she should or a complete Mary Sue that manages to get away with everything?
The ending, more particularly Stan getting his memories back. It was either a cop-out made to avoid a Bittersweet Ending or it makes sense in the context of the cartoon.
In the end we never did learn Dipper's given name. Fans either feel annoyed and lied to that it was never stated or feel it is for the best as his name would likely leave people disappointed (many fans were already upset at "Dipper" being a nickname), plus it leaves fans to enjoy their fanon names.
Dipper's canonical given name was revealed in Gravity Falls: Journal 3* It's Mason by the way. Naturally, this resolved some people's frustrations, but not others.
The Author, aka the real Stanford Pines, is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. Is he a troubled hero, wrestling with years' worth of justified trust issues and doing his best to fix his past mistakes? Or is he a selfish glory hound whose massive ego won't allow him to acknowledge his mistakes or reconcile with his brother? You decide!
Is season 4 just as good as the past seasons or Seasonal Rot?
The episodes focusing on Mordecai's love life. Some like this story arc, but most dislike it due to being a Romantic Plot Tumor and the fact that there's a Love Triangle going on between Margaret and CJ.
If Daffy better as a screwy trickster or a greedy jerk? Fans of the former claim he's funnier, while fans of the latter claim he feels more "human".
Fresh Airedale is a very polarizing short. Some say it was supposed to convey a message of two-faced jerks coming out on top and the underdog being left out in the cold. Others say it was a mean-spirited, unfunny, flat-out horrible cartoon. This was dealt with in the DVD Commentary, in which a negative IMDb review was quoted.
Even Bugs Bunny isn't immune to this, even by his own creators. Some view him as a charismatic icon that defined the cartoon Karmic Trickster trope or basically a heroic Smug Snake. The Bugs vs Elmer shorts are of particular debate, some believe they consist of some of the most iconic shorts in the series, others feel Elmer was so pitiful Bugs' usual runaround looked more like an unpleasant glorified bullying.
Even the Sonic the Hedgehog fans are divided on which cartoon series was better for the series as a whole:
Was Sonic SatAM a great cartoon series that greatly developed Sonic's character and added more depth to the series or was it an unfaithful adaptation of the beloved video games that was too dark for its own good?
Was Sonic Underground a decent attempt at a whole different take on the franchise, or a bastardized mess that barely connected to the series in any way?
Even Sonic Boom was exposed to this before the show even premiered with Knuckles' new character design breaking the fan base in two. Does Knuckles' new character design fit greatly with the character's strength capabilities or should they have kept his original design from the video games? While the show got positive reviews after launching, fans remain divided. Half will say the show is funny and smart, while the other half will say it's too childish and/or fast paced. Also, being a new character, Sticks is a major Base-Breaking Character. Does she deserve her spot with the main cast? Are her jokes funny and original or forced and predictable? Is her voice cute or the Most Annoying Sound?
Considering how Seth Mcfarlene's previous shows fared, The Cleveland Show is of exceptional debate. Is it either a redundant lower quality copy of Family Guy with excessive "black guy" jokes, or a decent spin off that kept better moderation of humor and characterization than the former show?
Fans seem completely split over Thomas the Tank Engine's shift to CGI animation. Many fans find it a complete betrayal to the original model series, or a necessary move that opened up more potential for characterization and flexibility story wise.
The 1960s Popeye TV shorts; some fans hate them for their cheap, stiff and often sloppy animation, while others, particularly fans of the comics, enjoy them for featuring Thimble Theatre characters, like the Sea Hag and Alice the Goon, who never appeared in the Paramount shorts.
A number of fans seem to have mixed opinions regarding the music video segments. Some fans see them as being catchy and fun, while other fans find them to be too cheesy. Other fans take the middle ground and agree that some of the songs were awesome, while the others were kind of cheesy. And then there's the camp that liked the music videos more when they were in the target audience.
Season four's art style also caused this. Some fans loved ChalkZone's more detailed look, the real world becoming more colorful, and the real world scenes switching out the black outlines for colored outlines. Other fans felt as if the art evolution was a little "too much" and preferred the look of the first three seasons.
In general, season four tends to get this- one half of the fans found the show to hit Seasonal Rot by that point, feeling the episodes weren't as memorable. Skrawl not appearing very often and hitting Villain Decay, the ending songs getting a new composer and rehashing old songs, and the show being outsourced to weaker studios for animation didn't help matters. Other fans didn't really mind too much and saw it on the same level as the rest of the show.
Cartoon Network: The biggest divider in CN's fanbase is without doubt when CN started going bad and whether it has improved since Adventure Time premiered on the network.
The 2006 revival of Biker Mice from Mars had a rather divisive reception. While it was a Sequel Series rather than a Continuity Reboot and even had Rob Paulsen, Ian Ziering, and Dorian Harewood reprise their roles as the titular Biker Mice Throttle, Vinnie, and Modo, many fans of the original 1993 series didn't like the character redesigns or the fact that the original show's villains Lawrence Limburger, Dr. Karbunkle, and Greasepit were Demoted to Extra in favor of new villains the Catatonians and Ronaldo Rump.
Season 3 wound up being a divisive season for the show. Was Seasonal Rot and Flanderization (especially on Gumball and Darwin's part) setting in, or had the show grown the beard with its development of the characters and setting of the series?
In "The Shell", the status quo was shaken up something fierce when Penny shed her shell, revealing her true form as a shape-shifting fairy-esque creature. While most parts of the fanbase have grown to embrace this change, a number of folks were (and some still are) upset that True!Penny's form wasn't what they had thought it would wind up being. Especially folks whose head-canons were that Penny was actually a deer under her shell.
Almost every animated show on post-2009 Nickelodeon is this in some way. Are they worthy of the Nicktoon brand, or are they a disgrace to the franchise? For example:
Was T.U.F.F. Puppy one of Butch Hartman's better and funnier TV shows or was it a bland and annoying one-trick-pony that didn't do more with its premise?
Did Sanjay and Craig succeed in being a charming love-letter to the 90s, or was it just another substance-less post-2009 Nicktoon like many of the others, and one that ripped off shows such as Regular Show? The show is generally considered to have discovered its identity and grown the beard starting in its second season, but there are still those who stand by their opinion that the show was never any good.
Is Breadwinners a fun, energetic show that also hearkens back to the 90s, or one of the most obnoxious shows in television history?
The hop from the 2D PV to the CGI series. While most are welcome to the change in art style and are impressed by the visuals, many others would have preferred to see the Animesque, Pretty Cure-styled visuals seen in the original PV.
There are those that are annoyed at how the show was changed from a relatively darker superhero series meant for teens and young adults into a Lighter and Softer show geared towards younger audiences, while others argue that this change will help it gain a wider audience, since networks were not interested in the series until it was toned down.
The series tore The Lion King's fandom to bits. The concept of Simba having a previously unmentioned son unnerved many fans however people could buy it if they either made the series take place after The Lion King II: Simba's Pride or they retconned the film out of existence. The series uses a middle ground: It takes place when Kiara was a cub however she has a slightly younger brother named Kion, and two other unrelated cubs exist. This is a complete retcon as the second film made it clear Kiara was an only cub and the only other cubs her age were Vitani and Kovu. Many fans are perturbed by the retcon—saying it would be more interesting if Kiara was Kion's teenaged/adult sister instead. Kopa fans in particular really hate Kion, seeing him as a poor Suspiciously Similar Substitute. Fans on the other hand either don't care or acknowledge the series as taking place in an Alternate Continuity from the films, much like Timon & Pumbaa was.
The series contains a Genre Shift into more fantasy elements that weren't mentioned before. The series wasn't completely naturalistic before however it didn't contain such obvious fantastical qualities such as the Roar Of The Elders or anthropomorphic issues such as The Lion Guard. This has upset people who enjoyed the fact the franchise was a normal animal story but others find it an interesting take that could be done well.
The series is an Edutainment Show yet contains multiple zoology errors. Fans have put its edutainment status into question for that reason while others give it artistic liberty or let the writers off easy as it is aimed at very young children.
Canon foreigner and designated woobie Oopsy Bear. Feelings about him are split between "Want to cuddle him all the time" and "Stupid bear, don't like him". Didn't help that some fans also felt like he was put in to replace Good Luck Bear (he wasn't, it was just that Good Luck Bear was conveniently demoted to extra).
The demotion of Tenderheart Bear to extra and promotion of Cheer Bear to new leader. Likewise, Good Luck Bear only appearing in background.
The fact that the bears were redesigned to be less chubby. Feelings were split between "the redesign was long overdue" and "the redesign was uncalled for".
The possibility of a Roger Rabbit-esque movie crossing over Nickelodeon's famed Nicktoons, including, but not limited to Rugrats, Ren and Stimpy, The Angry Beavers, and even Doug and Hey Arnold!. Some are excited at the idea of their favorite childhood characters meeting up and having an adventure, and think a movie like this could work if the folks working on it know what they are doing. Others, however, think that the idea is pandering too much to the 90s fanbase and brings back bad memories of poorly received previousmovierevivals of classic TV shows; fearing that a 90s Nickelodeon movie like this would fall into We're Still Relevant, Dammit! and Human-Focused Adaptation like those movies did. Another fear had by those against the idea of this is that crossing over the wildly different TV shows (which includes mostly mundane slice-of-life shows such as Doug, Rugrats, Hey Arnold! and more fantastical and absurd ones like The Angry Beavers, Ren And Stimpy, and Aaah! Real Monsters) is just too complex to be done well.
The Powerpuff Girls (2016): The 2016 reboot utterly wreckedThe Powerpuff Girls fandom. The first official art showed off the girls redesigns. Fans were either confused why they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as they're minor changes it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that the girls voice actresses were replaced upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse— fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, and the way the new voices sound. There are episode rumors circulating about that may or may not be true, however they still provoked many fans to complain that the series is trying to hard to be modern. Despite all the criticism there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their Nostalgia Goggles on too hard, that it isn't even made for the now-adult fans but is for a new generation.
Was the 2014 Rainbow Brite mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its Denser and Wackier tone often occur.
Fred Fredburger was a pretty good comic relief in his first appearance, but some think he became a bit overused and aggravating.
Irwin is a mild example. There are a few people who find him too clingy, an unnecessary spotlight stealer, or dorky to the point were it was obnoxious. That being said, it seems like he's still very popular with fans, and Underfist did give him a shot at redemption.
KaBlam!: The Life With Loopy shorts tended to have a pretty broken base among the show's viewers, mainly due to the animation style. One half found the style to be too Uncanny Valley, and the combination of stop-motion animation, puppetry, and live-action a bit unnerving. The other half loved it for it's artistic look, as well as giving the short a very unique look that really made it stand out. Though they do agree that the show wasn't immune to falling into the valley- the pilot episode especially.
The DiC Entertainment continuation of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero is the source of much contention. The opening "Operation: Dragonfire" arc is typically agreed to be the best thing to come from the DiC series, but fans are divided over whether the DiC continuation is an embarrassing travesty to the original Sunbow series or a watchable, if somewhat flawed, show in its own right.
G.I. Joe: Renegades is also a source of contention with fans with some finding it to be an interesting reinvention and origin story for the franchise and others loathing it because its series premise, with Duke, Scarlett, and co. being framed for crimes they didn't commit by COBRA, made it basically an AnimatedSpiritual Adaptation of The A-Team (not helped by its versions of Roadblock, Flint, and Lady Jaye being expies for BA Baracus, Colonel Lynch, and Lt. Sosa respectively).