History BrokenBase / WesternAnimation

21st Feb '17 8:23:55 PM RacattackForce
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* SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' is even more prone to ideological splits.
** The fan base is divided over the {{steampunk}} setting, even though the ''original series'' already [[FanDumb used it]] on a smaller scale.
** [[ShipSinking Confirmation]] that Tenzin is [[OfficialCouple Katara and Aang's]] son has paradoxically caused a resurgence in Zutara[=/=]Kataang [[ShipToShipCombat shipping wars]] (complete with DieForOurShip).

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* SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' is was even more prone to ideological splits.
splits, with new splits seemingly occurring with every new episode. Let's start from the top.
** The fan base is was initially divided over the {{steampunk}} setting, even though setting. Fans that like the ''original series'' setting point out that [=ATLA=] already [[FanDumb used it]] on a smaller scale.
scale, while others still scoffed at the number of technological advancements made. The debate was rekindled when the final season introduced [[spoiler:a giant robot]]. An offshoot of the debate also concerns whether the show's setting is "too modern" for the type of stories that the writers want to tell.
** The [[ShipSinking Confirmation]] that Tenzin is [[OfficialCouple Katara and Aang's]] son has paradoxically caused a resurgence in Zutara[=/=]Kataang [[ShipToShipCombat shipping wars]] (complete with DieForOurShip).



** A comment by Andrea Romano revealing that the entire original cast is dead prompted some sections to deem Korra and her crew {{Replacement Scrappy}}s.
** Some fans debate whether or not the setting is ''too'' modern.
** There are also some concerns that the setting has become too Western.
** One of the biggest points of contention is over Korra's [[AmbiguouslyBrown race and ethnicity]]. One side insists that Korra is of color, and fanworks depicting her [[ButNotTooBlack with lighter]] or [[RaceLift white skin]] trivialize the importance of a dark-skinned woman as a main character. The other claims that race is a non-issue with fictional characters, and Korra's skintone should be a matter of fan creators' individual preferences. Rather curious considering that Korra shares an [[BraidsBeadsAndBuckskins ethnicity and skintone]] with Katara and Sokka, and the Water Tribe are explicitly based on the [[EskimoLand Inuit]].

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** A comment by Andrea Romano revealing that the entire original cast is dead prompted some Some sections to deem of the fanbase deemed Korra and her crew {{Replacement Scrappy}}s.
** Some fans debate whether or not the setting is ''too'' modern.
** There are also some concerns that the setting has become too Western.
**
One of the biggest points of contention is was over Korra's [[AmbiguouslyBrown race and ethnicity]]. One side insists that Korra is of color, and fanworks depicting her [[ButNotTooBlack with lighter]] or [[RaceLift white skin]] trivialize the importance of a dark-skinned woman as a main character. The other claims that race is a non-issue with fictional characters, and Korra's skintone should be a matter of fan creators' individual preferences. Rather curious considering that In-show, Korra shares an [[BraidsBeadsAndBuckskins ethnicity and skintone]] with Katara and Sokka, and who are of the Water Tribe are explicitly based on the [[EskimoLand Inuit]].Inuit-based]] Water Tribe.



** Following the online premiere of the first two episodes, the fanbase fractured ''again'', this time over whether or not Korra is being written as a saviour-esque character in regards to bender privilege.
** And then there's the first season finale. It should be mentioned that ''Korra'' was supposed to be a twelve-episode MiniSeries, which means it was going to be a series finale as well. Given the fanbase's reaction to the previous series's finale, this is fully expected. And it's for similar reasons, even.
** While few would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first-season BigBad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans are sharply divided over the ''extent'' to which the VillainHasAPoint, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government is a vast [[FantasticRacism Fantastic Racist]] conspiracy, [[GodwinsLaw benders are Nazis]], and Amon is a [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighter]]!"
** Some fans are wondered if Book Two: Spirits was better or worse than Book One: Air.
** As of the {{Grand Finale}} [[spoiler: Is Korrasami canon or are they just good friends? Is it a brilliant move for representation for bisexual women or {{pandering to the base}}?]] Bryke has confirmed that it is indeed canon and that they are in fact [[spoiler: bisexual]]. Won't stop people from going strictly by what's presented in the show.
** Asami was originally an Equalist inside agent however that was scrapped in development. In hindsight fans wonder if that would have been better on not. On the pro-Equalist side are people who think it was [[{{foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] for much of Book 1 and would have liked Asami to have gone through a HeelFaceTurn similar to Zuko. People who dislike the idea don't like Asami as a stereotypical FemmeFatale or think she would have been handled poorly and have been locked up in jail for the entire series, instead of given a redemption plot or turning on the Equalists.
** Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a deeply debated one. There are lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and had a strong bond with her however [[InformedAttribute it never appears in the series]]. They're always at each other's throats and show no relationship besides animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally AbusiveParent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin [[spoiler:trying to assasinate Kuvira]] was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin [[spoiler:refusing to [[EasilyForgiven forgive]] Kuvira]] was right or not are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's BaseBreakingCharacter status from Book 3.

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** Following the online premiere of the first two episodes, the fanbase fractured ''again'', this time over whether or not Korra is was being written as a saviour-esque character in regards to bender privilege.
** And then there's the first season finale. It should be mentioned that ''Korra'' was supposed to be a twelve-episode MiniSeries, which means it was going to be a series finale as well. Given the fanbase's reaction to the previous series's finale, this is fully expected. [[FranchiseOriginalSin And it's for similar reasons, even.
even.]]
** While few would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first-season first season BigBad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans are sharply divided over the ''extent'' to which the VillainHasAPoint, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government is a vast [[FantasticRacism Fantastic Racist]] conspiracy, [[GodwinsLaw benders are Nazis]], and Amon is a [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighter]]!"
** Some fans are wondered if Book Two: Spirits was better or worse than Book One: Air.
**
As of the {{Grand Finale}} [[spoiler: Is Korrasami canon or are they just good friends? Is it a brilliant move for representation for bisexual women or {{pandering to the base}}?]] Bryke has confirmed that it is indeed canon and that they are in fact [[spoiler: bisexual]]. Won't stop people from going strictly by what's presented in the show.
base}}?]]
** Asami was originally an Equalist inside agent however agent. However, that was scrapped in development. In hindsight hindsight, fans wonder if that would have been better on not. On the pro-Equalist side are people who think it was [[{{foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] for much of Book 1 and would have liked Asami to have gone through a HeelFaceTurn similar to Zuko. People who dislike the idea don't like Asami as a stereotypical FemmeFatale or think she would have been handled poorly and have been locked up in jail for the entire series, instead of given a redemption plot or turning on the Equalists.
** Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a deeply debated one. There are a number of lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and had a strong bond with her however [[InformedAttribute it is never appears outright stated in the series]]. They're Season four shows them always at each other's throats and show with no relationship besides outside animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally AbusiveParent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin [[spoiler:trying to assasinate Kuvira]] was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin [[spoiler:refusing to [[EasilyForgiven forgive]] Kuvira]] was right or not are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's BaseBreakingCharacter status from Book 3.
21st Feb '17 8:05:42 PM RacattackForce
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** ''The Boondocks'' is either a funny, thought provoking show, or it's in danger of becoming what Dave Chappelle feared [[Series/ChappellesShow his show]] was turning into (i.e. a show that was getting [[UnfortunateImplications the wrong kind of laughs, for the wrong reasons]] from the [[PeripheryDemographic wrong group of people]]).
** Starting with season 2 the series became DenserAndWackier. Along with this change came [[CharacterExaggeration character changes]] to multiple characters. Fans differ on what versions they prefer: season 1 or season 2?
** Due to the cartoon development process, the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as [[ComicStrip/TheBoondocks the comic]]. Fans of the original are heavily torn over the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it a terrible adaptation or did they do the best with their circumstances?

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** ''The Boondocks'' is either a funny, thought provoking thought-provoking show, or it's in danger an example of becoming what Dave Chappelle feared [[Series/ChappellesShow his show]] was turning into (i.e. a show that was getting [[UnfortunateImplications the wrong kind of laughs, for the wrong reasons]] from the [[PeripheryDemographic wrong group of people]]).
** Starting with season 2 the series became DenserAndWackier. Along with this change came [[CharacterExaggeration character personality changes]] to multiple characters. Fans differ on what versions they prefer: season 1 or season 2?
** Due to the cartoon development process, how animation production generally works (i.e., if you aren't 'WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', then an episode takes at least nine months to make), the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as in the topical manner that [[ComicStrip/TheBoondocks the comic]]. comic]] did. Fans of the original newspaper comic are heavily torn over whether the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it show is a terrible adaptation or whether did they do the best with their circumstances?they could?



** There are two main views on ''South Park'': either it really [[GrowingTheBeard hit its stride]] when it moved from a show comprised solely of [[BlackComedy crude, shock-value humor]] to one focused just as much on social/political commentary, or it completely [[JumpingTheShark went to hell]] by turning into an AuthorTract. The thing with ''South Park'' is, though, that it can sometimes be as polarizing to its fanbase as it is to people in general. Combine that with [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters a town full of people]] and the tendency for [[NegativeContinuity things to stay relatively the same despite earth-shattering events]], and you end up with a show that can have half its fanbase loving how it's using a character/joke/plot/etc., and the other half ''hating'' it, meaning the whole thing is constantly a Broken Base, over any number of issues from any given episode.

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** There are two main views on ''South Park'': either it really [[GrowingTheBeard hit its stride]] when it moved from a show comprised solely of [[BlackComedy crude, shock-value humor]] to one focused just as much on social/political commentary, or it completely [[JumpingTheShark went to hell]] by turning into an AuthorTract. The fandom became even more fractured as latter seasons began incorporating season-long story arcs. The thing with ''South Park'' is, though, that it can sometimes be as polarizing to its fanbase as it is to people in general. Combine that with [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters a town full of people]] and the tendency for [[NegativeContinuity things to stay relatively the same despite earth-shattering events]], and you end up with a show that can have half its fanbase loving how it's using a character/joke/plot/etc., and the other half ''hating'' it, meaning the whole thing is constantly a Broken Base, over any number of issues from any given episode.



** The episode "If It Smells Like an Ed". There are fans that either [[FanonDiscontinuity hate it]] for being [[KickTheDog the cruelest blow]] to [[FailureHero the Eds]] ''ever'', or consider it among their list of favorites for being the first half-hour episode in the series and have elements of DetectiveDrama.

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** The episode "If It Smells Like an Ed". There are fans that either [[FanonDiscontinuity hate it]] for being [[KickTheDog the cruelest blow]] to [[FailureHero the Eds]] ''ever'', or consider it among their list of favorites for being the first half-hour episode in the series and have having elements of a DetectiveDrama.



** The series finale "Things Change": Brilliant and bittersweet way to end the series where Beast Boy learns a lesson about letting go, or a confusing and anti-climactic mess that goes against the mood of the series and leaves way too many unanswered questions? The way the episode treated Terra really upset contemporary fans who had other ideas of what would happen [[spoiler:when she was revived]].

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** The series finale "Things Change": Brilliant and bittersweet way to end the series where Beast Boy learns a lesson about letting go, or a confusing and anti-climactic mess that goes against the mood of the series and leaves way too many unanswered questions? The way the episode treated Terra also really upset contemporary fans who had other ideas of what would happen [[spoiler:when she was revived]].



** Whether it is a fun comedy that manages to properly make fun of the characters and the DC Universe as a whole or an abomination that mocks the memory of the original series is a debate that overshadows almost everything else regarding the Teen Titans...[[RuinedForever other than the quality of the current comics run]].

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** Whether it is a fun comedy that manages to properly make fun of the characters and the DC Universe as a whole or an abomination that mocks the memory of the original series is a debate that overshadows almost everything else regarding the Teen Titans...[[RuinedForever other than the quality of the current New 52 comics run]].



** Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows [[TakeThatAudience way of handling criticism]]. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes, but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of ''Teen Titans'' who loathe ''Go''. To some, the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while to others they agree with them and find them amusing.

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** Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows [[TakeThatAudience way of handling criticism]]. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes, but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of ''Teen Titans'' who loathe ''Go''. To some, the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while to others they agree with them and at least find them amusing.
17th Feb '17 7:36:56 AM DecafGrub47393
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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'': The TimeSkip episode "Act Your Age". Detractors tend to say that the designs for the future versions of the kids look bad and that the plot feels like a "bad fanfiction" where nothing happens and then the problem is simply resolved at the last moments, but there are people who also appreciate what it does and find it to be a sweet resolution to Isabella's story arc. (Similarly the "I loved you as children, you loved me as teenagers" situation is either painfully stupid, or else sweetly realistic of young love). Also could count as HypeBacklash given how anticipated the episode was, especially with Ferbnessa being canon.
14th Feb '17 5:42:13 AM CaptainTedium
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%%** Were the post-cancellation episodes good or a prime example of SeasonalRot with horrible characterizations and many {{retcon}}s,

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%%** ** Were the post-cancellation episodes two seasons made without Genndy Tartakovsky's involvement good or a prime example of SeasonalRot with horrible characterizations and many {{retcon}}s,{{retcon}}s?
13th Feb '17 3:35:05 PM Crossover-Enthusiast
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** Were the post-cancellation episodes good or a prime example of SeasonalRot with horrible characterizations and many {{retcon}}s,

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** %%** Were the post-cancellation episodes good or a prime example of SeasonalRot with horrible characterizations and many {{retcon}}s,



** Was ''Dexter's Rude Removal'' worth the wait or was it disappointing?

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** Was ''Dexter's Rude Removal'' worth the wait wait, or was it disappointing?
10th Feb '17 2:27:17 AM CaptainTedium
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* The Creator/DiCEntertainment continuation of ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeARealAmericanHero'' is the source of much contention. The opening "Operation: Dragonfire" arc is typically agreed to be the best of the [=DiC=] series, but fans are divided over whether the [=DiC=] continuation is an embarrassing travesty to the original Sunbow series or a watchable, if somewhat flawed, show in its own right.

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* The Creator/DiCEntertainment continuation of ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeARealAmericanHero'' is the source of much contention. The opening "Operation: Dragonfire" arc is typically agreed to be the best of thing to come from the [=DiC=] series, but fans are divided over whether the [=DiC=] continuation is an embarrassing travesty to the original Sunbow series or a watchable, if somewhat flawed, show in its own right.
10th Feb '17 2:25:56 AM CaptainTedium
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* ''WesternAnimation/KaBlam'': The ''Life With Loopy'' shorts tended to have a pretty broken base among the show's viewers, mainly due to the animation style. One half found the style to be too UncannyValley, and the combination of stop-motion animation, puppetry, and live-action a bit unnerving. The other half loved it for it's artistic look, as well as giving the short a very unique look that really made it stand out. Though they do agree that the show wasn't immune to falling into the valley- the pilot episode especially.

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* ''WesternAnimation/KaBlam'': The ''Life With Loopy'' shorts tended to have a pretty broken base among the show's viewers, mainly due to the animation style. One half found the style to be too UncannyValley, and the combination of stop-motion animation, puppetry, and live-action a bit unnerving. The other half loved it for it's artistic look, as well as giving the short a very unique look that really made it stand out. Though they do agree that the show wasn't immune to falling into the valley- the pilot episode especially.especially.
* The Creator/DiCEntertainment continuation of ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeARealAmericanHero'' is the source of much contention. The opening "Operation: Dragonfire" arc is typically agreed to be the best of the [=DiC=] series, but fans are divided over whether the [=DiC=] continuation is an embarrassing travesty to the original Sunbow series or a watchable, if somewhat flawed, show in its own right.
3rd Nov '16 1:49:17 PM Pseudoname
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*** Dipper's canonical given name was revealed in ''Literature/GravityFallsJournal3''. Naturally, this resolved some people's frustrations, but not others.

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*** Dipper's canonical given name was revealed in ''Literature/GravityFallsJournal3''.''Literature/GravityFallsJournal3''[[labelnote:*]]It's [[spoiler: Mason]] by the way[[/labelnote]]. Naturally, this resolved some people's frustrations, but not others.
25th Sep '16 11:52:35 PM DudeWheresMyPassword
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** The Author, aka [[spoiler:the real Stanford Pines]], is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. [[spoiler: Is he a troubled hero, wrestling with years' worth of justified trust issues and doing his best to fix his past mistakes? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for his own ambition and spurns his brother's love out of arrogance? You decide!]]

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** The Author, aka [[spoiler:the real Stanford Pines]], is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. [[spoiler: Is he a troubled hero, wrestling with years' worth of justified trust issues and doing his best to fix his past mistakes? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for a selfish glory hound whose massive ego won't allow him to acknowledge his own ambition and spurns mistakes or [[spoiler:reconcile with his brother's love out of arrogance? brother]]? You decide!]]decide!
25th Sep '16 1:45:29 PM DudeWheresMyPassword
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** The Author, aka [[spoiler:the real Stanford Pines]], is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. [[spoiler: Is he a hero doing the best he can to overcome years of trauma, fix his past mistakes, and connect with his family? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for his own ambition and spurns his brother's love out of arrogance? You decide!]]

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** The Author, aka [[spoiler:the real Stanford Pines]], is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. [[spoiler: Is he a hero troubled hero, wrestling with years' worth of justified trust issues and doing the his best he can to overcome years of trauma, fix his past mistakes, and connect with his family? mistakes? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for his own ambition and spurns his brother's love out of arrogance? You decide!]]
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