History BrokenBase / WesternAnimation

10th Aug '16 12:36:01 AM Anddrix
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** Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a deeply debated one. There are lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and had a strong bond with her however [[InformedAttribute it never appears in the series]]. They're always at each other's throats and show no relationship besides animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally AbusiveParent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin [[spoiler:trying to assasinate Kuvira]] was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin [[spoiler:refusing to [[EasilyForgiven forgive]] Kuvira]] was right or not are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's BaseBreaker status from Book 3.

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** Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a deeply debated one. There are lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and had a strong bond with her however [[InformedAttribute it never appears in the series]]. They're always at each other's throats and show no relationship besides animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally AbusiveParent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin [[spoiler:trying to assasinate Kuvira]] was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin [[spoiler:refusing to [[EasilyForgiven forgive]] Kuvira]] was right or not are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter status from Book 3.



** Speedy Gonzales is a ''huge'' BaseBreaker.

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** Speedy Gonzales is a ''huge'' BaseBreaker.BaseBreakingCharacter.



** Even ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'' was exposed to this before the show even premiered with Knuckles' new character design breaking the fan base in two. Does Knuckles' new character design fit greatly with the character's strength capabilities or should they have kept his original design from the video games? While the show got positive reviews after launching, [[UnpleasableFanbase old sega fans are never pleased.]] Half will say the show is funny and smart, while the other half will say it's too childish and/or fast paced. Also, being a new character, [[CloudCuckooLander Sticks]] is a major BaseBreaker. Does she deserve her spot with the main cast? Are her jokes funny and original or forced and predictable? Is her voice cute or the MostAnnoyingSound?

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** Even ''WesternAnimation/SonicBoom'' was exposed to this before the show even premiered with Knuckles' new character design breaking the fan base in two. Does Knuckles' new character design fit greatly with the character's strength capabilities or should they have kept his original design from the video games? While the show got positive reviews after launching, [[UnpleasableFanbase old sega fans are never pleased.]] Half will say the show is funny and smart, while the other half will say it's too childish and/or fast paced. Also, being a new character, [[CloudCuckooLander Sticks]] is a major BaseBreaker.BaseBreakingCharacter. Does she deserve her spot with the main cast? Are her jokes funny and original or forced and predictable? Is her voice cute or the MostAnnoyingSound?



** Is ''WesternAnimation/FanboyAndChumChum'' a clever little show with likable side characters or a annoying mess bogged down by the [[CloudCuckooLander eponymous characters]]? (Themselves being [[BaseBreaker Base Breakers]])

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** Is ''WesternAnimation/FanboyAndChumChum'' a clever little show with likable side characters or a annoying mess bogged down by the [[CloudCuckooLander eponymous characters]]? (Themselves being [[BaseBreaker Base Breakers]]){{Base Breaking Character}}s.
27th Jul '16 2:59:28 PM KiraDoom
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** Was ''Dexter's Rude Removal'' worth the wait or was it disappointing?

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** Was ''Dexter's Rude Removal'' worth the wait or was it disappointing?disappointing?
* ''WesternAnimation/TheGrimAdventuresOfBillyAndMandy'':
** Was the show's ReverseCerebusSyndrome a good call, or did it lead to SeasonalRot?
** Thanks to {{Flanderization}}, a few [[BaseBreakingCharacter characters]] became this. Is Billy still funny, or just a one-note annoyance? And is Mandy's cynicism still charming, or is she so evil that she's an UnintentionallyUnsympathetic JerkSue?
** Fred Fredburger was a pretty good comic relief in his first appearance, but some think he became a bit overused and aggravating.
** Irwin is a mild example. There are a few people who find him too clingy, an unnecessary [[SpotlightStealingSquad spotlight stealer]], or dorky to the point were it was obnoxious. That being said, it seems like he's still very popular with fans, and ''Underfist'' did give him a shot at redemption.
24th Jul '16 7:24:22 AM Pichu-kun
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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' fandom are notorious for this.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' fandom are is notorious for this. this:



*** Three more words: "Daria!: The Musical".

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*** ** Three more words: "Daria!: The Musical".



** There are many fans of the 80's cartoons that '''don't''' like ''Friendship is Magic''. The art style in particular is subject to debate, whether it's cute or they loom like mutant Chihuahuas instead of horses. The actual stories are also up for debate.

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** There are many fans of the 80's cartoons that '''don't''' like ''Friendship is Magic''. The art style in particular is subject to debate, specifically whether it's cute or whether they loom look more like mutant Chihuahuas instead of horses. The actual stories are also up for debate.
24th Jul '16 6:57:26 AM Pichu-kun
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** Starting with season 2 the series became ZanierAndWackier. Along with this change came [[CharacterExaggeration character changes]] to multiple characters. Fans differ on what versions they prefer: season 1 or season 2?

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** Starting with season 2 the series became ZanierAndWackier.DenserAndWackier. Along with this change came [[CharacterExaggeration character changes]] to multiple characters. Fans differ on what versions they prefer: season 1 or season 2?



* [[Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner Grow Up Timmy Turner]]: Live action version of The [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents Fairly OddParents]]. There are [[{{Hatedom}} people who detest this movie]] and who view it as violating canon. Also, [[ShipToShipCombat Shipping Wars]] play a part in this because according to the live action movie [[spoiler:Timmy and Tootie are meant to be]]. Not to mention that many fans point out that it seemingly [[spoiler:violates the canon of "Channel Chasers"]]. On the other hand, there seem to be a number of fans who are looking forward to it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddparents'':
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[[Film/AFairlyOddMovieGrowUpTimmyTurner Grow Up Timmy Turner]]: Turner]], the Live action version of The [[WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents Fairly OddParents]].''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents''. There are [[{{Hatedom}} people who detest this movie]] and who view it as violating canon. Also, [[ShipToShipCombat Shipping Wars]] play a part in this because according to the live action movie [[spoiler:Timmy and Tootie are meant to be]]. Not to mention that many fans point out that it seemingly [[spoiler:violates the canon of "Channel Chasers"]]. On the other hand, there seem to be a number of fans who are looking forward to it.it.
** Even ignoring the rabid ShipToShipCombat, ''The Fairly Oddparents'' is one of the most controversial cartoons of its time. Most fans consider it fell into SeasonalRot but no one can agree when. As early a season 3, after ''Channel Chasers'', after Poof, after Sparky, or after Chloe? There's also a minority who like all the seasons.
** The series in later seasons is markedly different from how it originally was, similarly to ''[=SpongeBob=]''. The characters have gone through a lot of {{flanderization}}, more minor characters like Mr. Crocker and Timmy's dad were made into main characters, and much of the extended cast has become borderlinebackground characters (such as Trixie, Timmy's friends, etc). Whether these changes were acceptable or not varies, which usually coincides with when fans think the series hit SeasonalRot.



** The various changes to the characterizations are ''the'' commonly debated part of the series amongst ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' fans. Velma and Fred are especially prone to this. Velma was always the fan-favorite but her interpretation in ''Mystery Inc'' is a LoveItOrHateIt deal. Is she too [[DeadpanSnarker sassy]] to the point of being an annoying jerk or is she the best Velma to date due to her sarcasm?

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** The various changes to the characterizations are ''the'' commonly debated part of the series amongst ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' fans. Velma and Fred are especially prone to this. Velma was always the fan-favorite but her interpretation in ''Mystery Inc'' is a LoveItOrHateIt deal. Is she too [[DeadpanSnarker sassy]] to the point of being an annoying jerk or is she the best Velma to date specifically due to her sarcasm?



** Many fans of the original series (the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTVSpecials'' and ''WesternAnimation/My Little PonyAndFriends'' TV show) hated ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' due to the AnthropomorphicShift and SliceOfLife elements compared to the fantasy-based original, along with the more cartoony look.

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** Many fans of the original series (the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTVSpecials'' and ''WesternAnimation/My Little PonyAndFriends'' ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyAndFriends'' TV show) hated ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' due to the AnthropomorphicShift and SliceOfLife elements compared to the fantasy-based original, along with the more cartoony look.



* Was the 2014 ''WesternAnimation/RainbowBrite'' mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its DenserAndWackier tone often occur.

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* Was the 2014 ''WesternAnimation/RainbowBrite'' mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its DenserAndWackier tone often occur.occur.
* ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'':
** Were the post-cancellation episodes good or a prime example of SeasonalRot with horrible characterizations and many {{retcon}}s,
** Was the art style change a good thing or not?
** Was ''Dexter's Rude Removal'' worth the wait or was it disappointing?
13th Jul '16 7:55:58 PM MegaTroper123456
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** A lot of fans bring up episodes like "[[{{Squick}} House Fancy]]", "[[WhatAnIdiot A Pal for Gary]]", "[[KafkaKomedy Keep Bikini Bottom Beautiful]]", "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Yours, Mine and Mine]]", "[[BadBoss Patty Caper]]", "[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Shuffleboarding]]", "[[DudeNotFunny One]] [[MoralEventHorizon Coarse]] [[DrivenToSuicide Meal]]", "[[AcquiredSituationalNarcissism Driven to Tears]]", "[[{{Wangst}} A Day Without Tears]]", "[[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Stuck]] [[StrawmanHasAPoint in the]][[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Wringer]]", "[[BlackComedy Good Neighbors]]", "[[StalkerWithoutaCrush Boating Buddies]]", "[[NauseaFuel The Splinter]]" and "[[FelonyMisdemeanor Little]] [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Yellow Book]]" when claiming the show has gone downhill. Whether the good episodes in the newer seasons can make up for these is a debated subject.

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** A lot of fans bring up episodes like "[[{{Squick}} House Fancy]]", "[[WhatAnIdiot A Pal for Gary]]", "[[KafkaKomedy Keep Bikini Bottom Beautiful]]", "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Yours, Mine and Mine]]", "[[BadBoss Patty Caper]]", "[[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Shuffleboarding]]", "[[DudeNotFunny One]] [[MoralEventHorizon Coarse]] [[DrivenToSuicide Meal]]", "[[FranchiseOriginalSin I'm With]] [[TookALevelInJerkass Stupid]]", "[[FranchiseOriginalSin The Great]] [[DudeNotFunny Snail Race]], "[[AcquiredSituationalNarcissism Driven to Tears]]", "[[{{Wangst}} A Day Without Tears]]", "[[MadeOutToBeAJerkass Stuck]] [[StrawmanHasAPoint in the]][[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop the]] [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Wringer]]", "[[BlackComedy Good Neighbors]]", "[[StalkerWithoutaCrush Boating Buddies]]", "[[NauseaFuel The Splinter]]" and "[[FelonyMisdemeanor Little]] [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy Yellow Book]]" when claiming the show has gone downhill. Whether the good episodes in the newer seasons can make up for these is a debated subject.
4th Jul '16 7:26:53 PM MisterCPC
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** ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'' had a near-complete change in creative teams after the first season. Fans of the show are split on which one handled it better; with some feeling that [[GrowingTheBeard Season Two and onward is when the show found its footing]], and others [[FirstInstallmentWins preferring the first season]], with everything after going through major SeasonalRot.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'' had a near-complete change in creative teams after the first season. Fans of the show are split on which one handled it better; with some feeling that [[GrowingTheBeard Season Two and onward is when the show found its footing]], and others [[FirstInstallmentWins preferring the first season]], with season]] and feeling everything after going went through major SeasonalRot.
4th Jul '16 7:25:38 PM MisterCPC
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** Asking a group of Shellheads, who all grew up with a different series 'Which is better, the '87 cartoon, 2k3, or 2012?' will not end prettily.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012'' had a near-complete change in creative teams after the first season. Fans of the show are split on which one handled it better; with some feeling that [[GrowingTheBeard Season Two and onward is when the show found its footing]], and others [[FirstInstallmentWins preferring the first season]], with everything after going through major SeasonalRot.
** Asking a group of Shellheads, who all grew up with a different series 'Which is better, the '87 cartoon, 2k3, or 2012?' will not end prettily.
29th Jun '16 12:07:56 PM LightTigerPeaceGrailRace
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* The whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?

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* The ** Fans and non-fans alike were effectively torn over the whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?
29th Jun '16 12:06:35 PM LightTigerPeaceGrailRace
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*The whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?
22nd Jun '16 10:14:47 PM Pichu-kun
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** With the new trailer some fans began debating whether or not the setting is ''too'' modern.

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** With the new trailer some Some fans began debating debate whether or not the setting is ''too'' modern.



** Due to he cartoon development process the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as [[ComicStrip/TheBoondocks the comic]]. Fams of the original are heavily torn over the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it a terrible adaptation or did they do the best with their circumstances?

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** Due to he the cartoon development process process, the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as [[ComicStrip/TheBoondocks the comic]]. Fams Fans of the original are heavily torn over the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it a terrible adaptation or did they do the best with their circumstances?



* Even the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fans are divided on which cartoon series was better for the series as a whole.

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* Even the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fans are divided on which cartoon series was better for the series as a whole.whole:



* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'':
** Gems [[AmbiguousGenderIdentity genders]] are a tough topic in the fandom. There are those who believe they have no physical sexes but are female gendered while others believe they don't consider themselves female but use female pronouns. There are arguments on both sides but debates can be quite aggressive.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'':
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''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': Gems [[AmbiguousGenderIdentity genders]] are a tough topic in the fandom. There are those who believe they have no physical sexes but are female gendered while others believe they don't consider themselves female but use female pronouns. There are arguments on both sides but debates can be quite aggressive.
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