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29th Jun '16 12:07:56 PM LightTigerPeaceGrailRace
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* The whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?

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* The ** Fans and non-fans alike were effectively torn over the whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?
29th Jun '16 12:06:35 PM LightTigerPeaceGrailRace
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*The whale scene from "Peter Problems". Is it harmless dark comedy or a horrific display of animal cruelty?
22nd Jun '16 10:14:47 PM Pichu-kun
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** With the new trailer some fans began debating whether or not the setting is ''too'' modern.

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** With the new trailer some Some fans began debating debate whether or not the setting is ''too'' modern.



** Due to he cartoon development process the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as [[ComicStrip/TheBoondocks the comic]]. Fams of the original are heavily torn over the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it a terrible adaptation or did they do the best with their circumstances?

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** Due to he the cartoon development process process, the cartoon could not reference new political issues nearly as much as [[ComicStrip/TheBoondocks the comic]]. Fams Fans of the original are heavily torn over the changes made in order to better suit animation. Is it a terrible adaptation or did they do the best with their circumstances?



* Even the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fans are divided on which cartoon series was better for the series as a whole.

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* Even the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fans are divided on which cartoon series was better for the series as a whole.whole:



* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'':
** Gems [[AmbiguousGenderIdentity genders]] are a tough topic in the fandom. There are those who believe they have no physical sexes but are female gendered while others believe they don't consider themselves female but use female pronouns. There are arguments on both sides but debates can be quite aggressive.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'':
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''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': Gems [[AmbiguousGenderIdentity genders]] are a tough topic in the fandom. There are those who believe they have no physical sexes but are female gendered while others believe they don't consider themselves female but use female pronouns. There are arguments on both sides but debates can be quite aggressive.
19th May '16 5:27:28 PM erforce
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* An overlap with Film and Live-Action TV: There are two factions of ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'' fans: the Ghostheads, who prefer the Columbia Pictures film and its animated series ''WesternAnimation/TheRealGhostbusters'', and the Go-ers, fans of Filmation's 1975 live-action series ''The Ghost Busters'' and 1986 animated series ''WesternAnimation/FilmationsGhostbusters''. The fandom is mostly divided on which animated series came first, and on which ghost-busting premise (proton packs vs. dematerializers) is better.

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* An overlap with Film and Live-Action TV: There are two factions of ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'' ''Franchise/{{Ghostbusters}}'' fans: the Ghostheads, who prefer the [[Film/{{Ghostbusters 1984}} Columbia Pictures film film]] and its animated series ''WesternAnimation/TheRealGhostbusters'', and the Go-ers, fans of Filmation's 1975 live-action series ''The Ghost Busters'' and 1986 animated series ''WesternAnimation/FilmationsGhostbusters''. The fandom is mostly divided on which animated series came first, and on which ghost-busting premise (proton packs vs. dematerializers) is better.
7th May '16 3:17:38 PM DudeWheresMyPassword
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** It's pretty safe to say that a majority thinks it's a horrible fanfic that makes ''Cupcakes'' look like ''Dora the Explorer''.

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** *** It's pretty safe to say that a majority thinks it's a horrible fanfic that makes ''Cupcakes'' look like ''Dora the Explorer''.



** The Author, aka [[spoiler:the real Stanford Pines]], is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. [[spoiler: Is he a hero who's striving to save the world and struggling to connect with his family despite decades of isolation and justified trust issues? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for his own ambition and refuses to appreciate his brother's love? You decide!]]

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** The Author, aka [[spoiler:the real Stanford Pines]], is one of the biggest base breakers of them all. [[spoiler: Is he a hero who's striving to save doing the world best he can to overcome years of trauma, fix his past mistakes, and struggling to connect with his family despite decades of isolation and justified trust issues? family? Or is he an egomaniac who sees other people solely as vehicles for his own ambition and refuses to appreciate spurns his brother's love? love out of arrogance? You decide!]]
10th Apr '16 5:49:33 PM CutieTabootie
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** When ''Doug'' left Nickelodeon for ABC, the base was ''very'' broken over whether the new series was good or not. On one side, the Disney version's detractors disliked many of the changes made to the show, such as the characters receiving new clothes and hairstyles, locations being changed, some new characters being added like Guy Graham and Doug's new little sister, Cleopatra "Dirtbike" Funnie, and a few changes in the writing and voices. While some of the ''Doug'' fans that disliked the Disney episodes sometimes made valid reasons for not liking them (the episodes being written differently than the Nick ones, the new characters not being necessary, the colors were brightened too much, etc.), some of the other complaints end up boiling them down to them hating the show because "Doug's shirt looks different" or "Patti got a haircut". Other fans didn't mind too much, mainly as the changes were given reasons in-universe (note that the Disney episodes take place a year after the Nickelodeon episodes), and managed to gain a number of fans for the show that weren't able to see the Nickelodeon episodes first if they didn't have cable. The fanbase more or less breaks down to the fans who love the Nick episodes and despise the Disney episodes, and the fans that enjoyed both (though even fans of the Disney episodes will admit that [[FirstInstallmentWins the Nickelodeon seasons were better). And one change in the Disney episodes the fans tend to be unanimous on hating was [[TheOtherDarrin Doug's new voice]] (Billy West didn't reprise the role for the series due to pay concerns).

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** When ''Doug'' left Nickelodeon for ABC, the base was ''very'' broken over whether the new series was good or not. On one side, the Disney version's detractors disliked many of the changes made to the show, such as the characters receiving new clothes and hairstyles, locations being changed, some new characters being added like Guy Graham and Doug's new little sister, Cleopatra "Dirtbike" Funnie, and a few changes in the writing and voices. While some of the ''Doug'' fans that disliked the Disney episodes sometimes made valid reasons for not liking them (the episodes being written differently than the Nick ones, the new characters not being necessary, the colors were brightened too much, etc.), some of the other complaints end up boiling them down to them hating the show because "Doug's shirt looks different" or "Patti got a haircut". Other fans didn't mind too much, mainly as the changes were given reasons in-universe (note that the Disney episodes take place a year after the Nickelodeon episodes), and managed to gain a number of fans for the show that weren't able to see the Nickelodeon episodes first if they didn't have cable. The fanbase more or less breaks down to the fans who love the Nick episodes and despise the Disney episodes, and the fans that enjoyed both (though even fans of the Disney episodes will admit that [[FirstInstallmentWins the Nickelodeon seasons were better).better]]). And one change in the Disney episodes the fans tend to be unanimous on hating was [[TheOtherDarrin Doug's new voice]] (Billy West didn't reprise the role for the series due to pay concerns).
10th Apr '16 5:48:53 PM CutieTabootie
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** When ''Doug'' left Nickelodeon for ABC, the base was ''very'' broken over whether the new series was good or not. The biggest complains of Nick fanbase are the voice change and the fact the ABC/Disney [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerised]] the show. The new character design, showing less skin than before (especially Patti which got his short skirt replaced with pants and got a shorter hair) were heavily criticized. Also, some unpopular characters like Connie got more screen time and the new characters weren't well received too, like Guy Graham and the new Doug's sister, which some considered [[{{Expy}} a blatant copy]] of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Maggie Simpson]]. Old characters like Roger and Judy became less bully on Doug, which was another issue. And finally, some plot changes angered the Nick fan base too, like replacing the Honker Burger with Chez Honque and the break up of the The Beets.
** The movie gets a lot more hate from Nick's fan base and is usually blamed for killing the franchise.

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** When ''Doug'' left Nickelodeon for ABC, the base was ''very'' broken over whether the new series was good or not. The biggest complains of Nick fanbase are On one side, the voice change and Disney version's detractors disliked many of the fact changes made to the ABC/Disney [[{{Bowdlerise}} Bowdlerised]] show, such as the show. The new character design, showing less skin than before (especially Patti which got his short skirt replaced with pants and got a shorter hair) were heavily criticized. Also, some unpopular characters like Connie got more screen time receiving new clothes and the hairstyles, locations being changed, some new characters weren't well received too, being added like Guy Graham and the new Doug's new little sister, which Cleopatra "Dirtbike" Funnie, and a few changes in the writing and voices. While some considered [[{{Expy}} a blatant copy]] of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Maggie Simpson]]. Old the ''Doug'' fans that disliked the Disney episodes sometimes made valid reasons for not liking them (the episodes being written differently than the Nick ones, the new characters like Roger and Judy became less bully on Doug, which was another issue. And finally, not being necessary, the colors were brightened too much, etc.), some plot of the other complaints end up boiling them down to them hating the show because "Doug's shirt looks different" or "Patti got a haircut". Other fans didn't mind too much, mainly as the changes angered were given reasons in-universe (note that the Disney episodes take place a year after the Nickelodeon episodes), and managed to gain a number of fans for the show that weren't able to see the Nickelodeon episodes first if they didn't have cable. The fanbase more or less breaks down to the fans who love the Nick fan base too, like replacing episodes and despise the Honker Burger with Chez Honque Disney episodes, and the break up fans that enjoyed both (though even fans of the The Beets.
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Disney episodes will admit that [[FirstInstallmentWins the Nickelodeon seasons were better). And one change in the Disney episodes the fans tend to be unanimous on hating was [[TheOtherDarrin Doug's new voice]] (Billy West didn't reprise the role for the series due to pay concerns).
**''Doug's 1st Movie'' broke the base even more; some fans (even fans of the Disney episodes) disliked how the
movie gets had a lot more hate from Nick's fan base "fantastical" sense to it with the Lucky Duck Lake monster and is usually blamed other elements, not to mention it being a minor ClicheStorm. The same fans will also blame the movie for [[FranchiseKiller killing the franchise.franchise]] for performing badly with critics, [[{{Misblamed}} despite it not being the case]] (the movie came out right before the last episodes aired; the show ended due to Disney's [[SixtyFiveEpisodeCartoon episode policy at the time]] and eventually the show's studio leaving Disney). Other fans admit that while the movie was indeed flawed, it wasn't as bad as others make it seem (but still far from a great movie) and had a number of good things about it; namely Doug and Patti's arc in the movie.
23rd Mar '16 2:36:24 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'': The 2016 reboot utterly ''wrecked'' the fandom. The first official art showed off the girls redesigns. Fans were either confused ''why'' they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as they're minor changes it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that [[TheOtherDarrin the girls voice actresses were replaced]] upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse-- fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, and the way the new voices sound. There are episode rumors circulating about that may or may not be true, however they still provoked many fans to complain that the series is trying to hard to be modern. Despite all the criticism there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their NostalgiaGoggles on too hard, that it isn't even made for the [[PeripheryHatedom now-adult fans]] but is for a new generation.
* Was the 2014 ''WesternAnimation/RainbowBrite'' mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its WackierAndDenser tone often occur.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'': The 2016 reboot utterly ''wrecked'' the ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' fandom. The first official art showed off the girls redesigns. Fans were either confused ''why'' they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as they're minor changes it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that [[TheOtherDarrin the girls voice actresses were replaced]] upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse-- fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, and the way the new voices sound. There are episode rumors circulating about that may or may not be true, however they still provoked many fans to complain that the series is trying to hard to be modern. Despite all the criticism there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their NostalgiaGoggles on too hard, that it isn't even made for the [[PeripheryHatedom now-adult fans]] but is for a new generation.
* Was the 2014 ''WesternAnimation/RainbowBrite'' mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its WackierAndDenser DenserAndWackier tone often occur.
23rd Mar '16 2:34:46 PM Pichu-kun
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* The fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' all got along fine, once upon a time. Now war rages between those who believe the show is as fun and sharp as it ever was, and those who think it's [[JumpingTheShark well over a decade past its use-by date]] and [[SeasonalRot new episodes are stupid and unfunny]]. Then there are those who acknowledge that the overall level of quality may have gone down but are satisfied if [[RapidFireComedy if it still makes them laugh a few dozen times an episode]].

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* The fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
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all got along fine, once upon a time. Now war rages between those who believe the show is as fun and sharp as it ever was, and those who think it's [[JumpingTheShark well over a decade past its use-by date]] and [[SeasonalRot new episodes are stupid and unfunny]]. Then there are those who acknowledge that the overall level of quality may have gone down but are satisfied if [[RapidFireComedy if it still makes them laugh a few dozen times an episode]].



** The various changes to the characterizations is ''the'' commonly debated part of the series amongst ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' fans. Velma and Fred are especially prone to this. Velma was always the fan-favorite but her interpretation in ''Mystery Inc'' is a LoveItOrHateIt deal. Is she too [[DeadpanSnarker sassy]] to the point of being an annoying jerk or is she the best Velma to date due to her sarcasm?

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** The various changes to the characterizations is are ''the'' commonly debated part of the series amongst ''Franchise/ScoobyDoo'' fans. Velma and Fred are especially prone to this. Velma was always the fan-favorite but her interpretation in ''Mystery Inc'' is a LoveItOrHateIt deal. Is she too [[DeadpanSnarker sassy]] to the point of being an annoying jerk or is she the best Velma to date due to her sarcasm?



** Many fans of the original series (the specials and ''My Little Pony 'n' Friends'' TV show) hated ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' due to the AnthropomorphicShift and SliceOfLife elements compared to the fantasy-based original, along with the more cartoony look.

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** Many fans of the original series (the specials ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTVSpecials'' and ''My ''WesternAnimation/My Little Pony 'n' Friends'' PonyAndFriends'' TV show) hated ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTales'' due to the AnthropomorphicShift and SliceOfLife elements compared to the fantasy-based original, along with the more cartoony look.



** Fans of ''those'' series are torn between whether the direct-to-video G3 episodes were any good or not, especially due to the fact it's [[TastesLikeDiabetes way more saccharine]] then the generations before it.

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** Fans of ''those'' series are torn between whether the direct-to-video [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyG3 G3 episodes episodes]] were any good or not, especially due to the fact it's [[TastesLikeDiabetes way more saccharine]] then the generations before it.



* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'':
** The 2016 reboot utterly ''wrecked'' the fandom. The first official art showed off the girls redesigns. Fans were either confused ''why'' they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as they're minor changes it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that [[TheOtherDarrin the girls voice actresses were replaced]] upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse-- fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, and the way the new voices sound. There are episode rumors circulating about that may or may not be true, however they still provoked many fans to complain that the series is trying to hard to be modern. Despite all the criticism there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their NostalgiaGoggles on too hard, that it isn't even made for the [[PeripheryHatedom now-adult fans]] but is for a new generation.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'':
**
''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'': The 2016 reboot utterly ''wrecked'' the fandom. The first official art showed off the girls redesigns. Fans were either confused ''why'' they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as they're minor changes it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that [[TheOtherDarrin the girls voice actresses were replaced]] upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse-- fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, and the way the new voices sound. There are episode rumors circulating about that may or may not be true, however they still provoked many fans to complain that the series is trying to hard to be modern. Despite all the criticism there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their NostalgiaGoggles on too hard, that it isn't even made for the [[PeripheryHatedom now-adult fans]] but is for a new generation.generation.
* Was the 2014 ''WesternAnimation/RainbowBrite'' mini-series a horrible reboot or a genuinely decent series for a newer generation? Debates on its animation quality and its WackierAndDenser tone often occur.
17th Mar '16 10:33:10 AM kablammin45
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** "Why are you getting so worked up over a kid's show?" (or variations thereof) being asked in relation to ''Teen Titans Go!'' tends to bring up debates over whether detractors' problems with the show are justified (whether or not the show is even kid-friendly, thanks to the heavy BlackComedy tone and the rampant [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Family Unfriendly Aesops]]) or are just them over-reacting to a show [[PeripheryHatedom not meant for them in the first place]].

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** "Why are you getting so worked up over a kid's show?" (or variations thereof) being asked in relation to ''Teen Titans Go!'' tends to bring up debates over whether detractors' problems with the show are justified (whether (such as over whether or not the show is even kid-friendly, thanks to the heavy BlackComedy tone and the rampant [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Family Unfriendly Aesops]]) or are just them over-reacting to a show [[PeripheryHatedom not meant for them in the first place]].



* "[[KickTheDog The Best Burger]] [[YankTheDogsChain in the World]]", "[[TookALevelInJerkass Do Me a Solid]]", "[[CruelTwistEnding Do or Diaper]]", "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Think Positive]]" and "[[BadBoss Muscle Mentor]]" are the most divisive episodes of the series. ESPECIALLY the first and third aforementioned episodes. Did both episodes have {{Cruel Twist Ending}}s, or were the endings a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome for Benson and Margaret?

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* ** "[[KickTheDog The Best Burger]] [[YankTheDogsChain in the World]]", "[[TookALevelInJerkass Do Me a Solid]]", "[[CruelTwistEnding Do or Diaper]]", "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Think Positive]]" and "[[BadBoss Muscle Mentor]]" are the most divisive episodes of the series. ESPECIALLY the first and third aforementioned episodes. Did both episodes have {{Cruel Twist Ending}}s, or were the endings a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome for Benson and Margaret?



** Does ''WesternAnimation/SanjayAndCraig'' succeed in being a charming love-letters to the 90s, or is it too much of a GrossoutShow for its own good, just as annoying as the shows before it, or a knock-off of current shows on rival networks along with it?

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** Does Did ''WesternAnimation/SanjayAndCraig'' succeed in being a charming love-letters love-letter to the 90s, or is was it too much of a GrossoutShow for its own good, just as annoying as another substance-less post-2009 Nicktoon like many of the others, and one that ripped off shows before it, or a knock-off of current shows on rival networks along with it?such as ''Regular Show''? The show is generally considered to have discovered its identity and [[GrowingTheBeard grown the beard]] starting in its second season, but there are still those who stand by their opinion that the show was never any good.



** Is ''WesternAnimation/PigGoatBananaCricket'' a return to form for the network with its entertaining (if crazy) plots and characters, or is it [[UncannyValley a rather ugly-looking]] show that's just more of the same?

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** Is ''WesternAnimation/PigGoatBananaCricket'' a return to form for the network with its entertaining (if crazy) plots and characters, or is it nonsensical and [[UncannyValley a rather ugly-looking]] show that's just more of the same?



* The possibility of a [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Roger Rabbit-esque]] movie crossing over Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s famed Nicktoons, including, but not limited to ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'', ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAngryBeavers'', and even ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold''. Some are excited at the idea of their favorite childhood characters meeting up and having an adventure, and think a movie like this could work if the folks working on it know what they are doing. Others, however, think that the idea is pandering too much to the 90s fanbase and brings back bad memories of poorly received [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks previous]] [[Film/YogiBear movie]] [[Film/TheSmurfs revivals]] of classic TV shows; fearing that a 90s Nickelodeon movie like this would fall into WereStillRelevantDammit and HumanFocusedAdaptation like those movies did. Another fear had by those against the idea of this is that crossing over the wildly different TV shows is just too complex to be done well.

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* The possibility of a [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Roger Rabbit-esque]] movie crossing over Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s famed Nicktoons, including, but not limited to ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'', ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAngryBeavers'', and even ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold''. Some are excited at the idea of their favorite childhood characters meeting up and having an adventure, and think a movie like this could work if the folks working on it know what they are doing. Others, however, think that the idea is pandering too much to the 90s fanbase and brings back bad memories of poorly received [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks previous]] [[Film/YogiBear movie]] [[Film/TheSmurfs revivals]] of classic TV shows; fearing that a 90s Nickelodeon movie like this would fall into WereStillRelevantDammit and HumanFocusedAdaptation like those movies did. Another fear had by those against the idea of this is that crossing over the wildly different TV shows (which includes mostly mundane slice-of-life shows such as ''Doug'', ''Rugrats'', ''Hey Arnold!'' and more fantastical and absurd ones like ''The Angry Beavers'', ''Ren And Stimpy'', and ''Aaah! Real Monsters'') is just too complex to be done well.
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