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** Mr. Turner and Mr. Crocker. Are they among the redeeming aspects of the later seasons in spite of their [[SpotlightStealingSquad excessive screen time]] or one of the worst aspects because of it?
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'': "The Penguin Who Loved Me". An exciting GrandFinale that introduces new fan favorites, [[ThrowTheDogABone gives Kowalski a win]] and finally allows us to see [[UnseenNoMore Doris,]] [[spoiler:[[UnseenNoMore Manfredy and Johnson]] ?]] Or a disappointing ending that wastes [[spoiler: Dr.Blowhole's return]] and the usual recurring cast [[SpotlightStealingSquad in favour of Doris]]?

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'': "The Penguin Who Loved Me". An exciting GrandFinale that introduces new fan favorites, [[ThrowTheDogABone gives Kowalski a win]] and finally allows us to see [[UnseenNoMore Doris,]] [[spoiler:[[UnseenNoMore Manfredy and Johnson]] ?]] Manfredi & Johnson]]?]] Or a disappointing ending that wastes [[spoiler: Dr.Dr. Blowhole's return]] and the usual recurring cast [[SpotlightStealingSquad in favour of Doris]]?
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'': "The Penguin Who Loved Me". An exciting GrandFinale that introduces new fan favorites, [[ThrowTheDogABone gives Kowalski a win]] and finally allows us to see [[UnseenNoMore Doris,]] [[spoiler:[[UnseenNoMore Manfredy and Johnson]] ?]] Or a disappointing ending that wastes [[spoiler: Dr.Blowhole's return]] and the usual recurring cast [[SpotlightStealingSquad in favour of Doris]]?
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** "Horn, Sweet Horn", the episode with the pony who wanted to be a unicorn. While some have praised it for discussing gender identity in a way that wasn't too {{anvilicious}}, others have thrashed it because of the [[BrokenAesop botched moral]]. [[spoiler:The pony underwent a dangerous transformation procedure, not because he wanted to, but because ''Bubbles'' wanted it. She told him that he needed it. Not only does he become a monster, he discovers that [[ItWasWithYouAllAlong he was a unicorn all along]] upon returning to normal. His horn was simply tucked away under his mane the whole time.]][[https://web.archive.org/web/20160501095401/https://storify.com/creatrixtiara/emily-brundige-s-apology-re-the The episode's writer later came out]] and said that the episode was not intended to be about gender identity, meaning the supposed commentary was merely something the producers spun up to make the show ''sound'' progressive.
** Some praise the show for promoting [[YouGoGirl girl power]] and feel that it's in step with the previous series. Others feel that it comes off as forced and (in light of dropping Ms. Bellum and reducing Ms. Keane's bust) disingenuous, hypocritical and laced with "RealWomenDontWearDresses"-like implications. It doesn't help that the girls often get kidnapped and rescued by male characters, including [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} the Mayor]].
** The girls' personalities also came under fire. Some like the fact that they are a tad more mature than their original incarnations. They also like that the girls bicker at a more frequent basis, like any siblings would. Others feel that the writers have {{flanderiz|ation}}ed some of their more negative aspects: Buttercup's thirst for action, Bubbles' girlishness, and Blossom's need for order to the point where she's ObsessivelyOrganized.
** Some of the villains' portrayals are controversial as well. Mojo Jojo was the girl's main arch-enemy in the original series, but the reboot made him almost completely ineffectual and took away ALL of the original Mojo's vocal tics. Some find it fitting for the sake of humor, others think that it completely misses the point of the character.
** The series being a sort of SoftReboot StealthSequel. It obviously intends for fans to have seen the original series, despite the fact that the show hasn't had frequent reruns on Cartoon Network in a decade. Fans are split on this. Some are glad for the references and feel that they are a saving grace for the series. Others think that they tie the series down too much and make everything confusing (for example, [[VagueAge how old are the girls now]]?)
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** The 2014 re-designs of the girls have solicited reactions raging from "awww how cute!" to "OH GOD {{KILL IT WITH FIRE}}!". And now that the special itself has aired, opinions are divided on if the special was a fun and fast paced trip down memory lane that should lead to a revival series, or if it was a rushed mess that needs to just stay a one off. There is something of an agreement that the last few minutes of the special felt rushed and that it would have benefited from being longer, but whether or not if a person thought the rest of the special was good or not is, naturally, a matter of opinion.
** The 2009 special. Some say it is the best episode of Powerpuff Girls while others say it is one of the worst. Still others prefer this episode as the Series Finale.
** Whether or not the episodes "Equal Fights" and "Members Only" (which revolve around [[StrawFeminist radical feminism]] and [[StayInTheKitchen toxic masculinity]] respectively) fall under ValuesDissonance or ValuesResonance. Each episode also has an individual broken base:
*** "Equal Fights." Some believe that feminism was too weighty a subject for a lighthearted children's show (even Lauren Faust thinks so, even though she does agree with the episode's message), while others feel that its motives are clear and effective (at the very least, it's the best they could have done with this subject under these circumstances). Others split the difference and say it was a good Aesop but the execution could have been done better.
*** Many fans see "Members Only" as one of the funniest episodes of the series, but there are some who are rather peeved that the episode had Major Glory and the other ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'' superheroes being chauvinistic and condescending to the Powerpuff Girls.
** "See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey" is either a beautifully animated episode with an incredible opera rock soundtrack that showed the writers weren't afraid to make bold choices or a mediocre special dragged down by a nonsensical plot and the poor singing voices from the [=VAs=].

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'':
** "Exercise" -- Its fans see it as a fun episode with an important lesson on health, and enjoy the casting choice of a New Zealander as the doctor. However, there have been fights regarding the parents' WeightWoe at the beginning of the episode -- some say it could make kids insecure about their own weights or that the scene is "fat-shaming", but others defend it by pointing out that other shows have used fat jokes, kids see their parents weighing themselves in real life without any issue, Bandit has been insecure about his health and/or weight before (e.g. "Granny Mobile"), and being overweight ''is'' sometimes bad for one's health. Eventually, the scene was cut out, but this also caused controversy, with some praising the cut, and others disliking it due to either the aforementioned reasons or seeing the show as a SacredCow.
** People have argued over whether Bandit and Chilli should have a third child. Some say they should, since becoming an older sibling is something many kids go through and is thus useful to have on a kids' show, Chilli has expressed a desire to have a third kid before, and if the baby is a boy, that could even out the ratio of boys to girls in the child cast. Others, however, think that the baby would be a boring character since babies can't do much, or they feel like it would just be too much of a change.



*** "Born Again Krabs" -- some hate it because Mr. Krabs insisted on selling an expired patty just because he was stingy, then cheerfully handing [=SpongeBob's=] soul over to the Flying Dutchman for literal pocket change. However, others like it because he learns his lesson afterwards.

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*** "Born Again Krabs" -- some hate it because Mr. Krabs insisted on selling an expired patty just because he was stingy, then cheerfully handing handed [=SpongeBob's=] soul over to the Flying Dutchman for literal pocket change. However, others like it because he learns his lesson afterwards.
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** Fans are also divided over the movie - was it a hilarious animated comedy that did justice to its source material, or was it an overblown, cash-grab that foreshadowed the show's gradual decline? Was Season 4 the last good season, or the first bad one?

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** Fans are also divided over the movie [[WesternAnimation/TheSpongeBobSquarePantsMovie first movie]] - was it a hilarious animated comedy that did justice to its source material, or was it an overblown, cash-grab that foreshadowed the show's gradual decline? Was Season 4 the last good season, or the first bad one?
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'': The 2016 reboot utterly ''wrecked'' ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' fandom. The first official art showed off the girls' redesigns. Fans were either confused ''why'' they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as the changes are so minor it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that [[TheOtherDarrin the girls' voice actresses were replaced]] upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse-- fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, the multitude of amateurish mistakes), and the way the new voices sound. Fans were also up in arms about the (outdated and incorrect) usage of memes and the mere fact that the physically three-year-old Bubbles and Blossom were shown '''twerking''', accusing the writers of trying (and failing) to be relevant. Despite all the criticism, there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their NostalgiaGoggles on too hard, and that it isn't even made for the now-adult fans but is for a new generation.

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** Was "A Very Special Blossom" a mean-spirited stain on the show's second season that made everybody too out of character, causing it to be some sort of a disservice to Father's Day, or was it a heartwarming one that shows another side to Blossom, wanting to make her father happy and at the same time learning a valuable lesson about stealing, and why it's wrong?
** The final 2 seasons (made without Creator/CraigMcCracken's involvement) gain pretty polarizing opinions. Some think that it ended the series on a very low note, with rather cringeworthy episodes that drag at a snail's pace and make the characters dumb for no reason, proving positive the staff were running out of ideas. Others think that those seasons are pretty good, with some memorable ones that bring some new things to the table and others that pay homage to creators of past cartoons, such as Creator/JayWard.
* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'': The 2016 reboot utterly ''wrecked'' ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' ''Franchise/ThePowerpuffGirls'' fandom. The first official art showed off the girls' redesigns. Fans were either confused ''why'' they redesigned them at all if the changes were so minor, while others thought as the changes are so minor it isn't worth complaining about. The reveal that [[TheOtherDarrin the girls' voice actresses were replaced]] upset many fans while others encourage using more new talent in the industry. The initial preview clips only made everything worse-- fans made fun of the background characters designs, the flash animation style (specifically, the multitude of amateurish mistakes), and the way the new voices sound. Fans were also up in arms about the (outdated and incorrect) usage of memes and the mere fact that the physically three-year-old Bubbles and Blossom were shown '''twerking''', accusing the writers of trying (and failing) to be relevant. Despite all the criticism, there is an equally large amount of fans who are happy to see the series come back and think the complainers have their NostalgiaGoggles on too hard, and that it isn't even made for the now-adult fans but is for a new generation.
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** "Brian & Stewie" is a fairly divisive episode among the fandom. Some people love the episode for taking a crack at serious storytelling, the heartwarming and tearjerking moments, and the complete lack of {{Cutaway Gag}}s. Others hate it either for trying too hard to be deep or [[NauseaFuel the infamous scene where Brian eats Stewie's poop]]. Creator/SethMacFarlane took note of this during the 200th episode retrospective.
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** Season three is also controversial for the fanbase. If you don't like it and explain why, you're likely be harassed for not being a 'true fan', but if you do like it, you're dismissed as a drooling, zealot fanboy/girl.

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** Season three is also controversial for the fanbase. If you don't like it and explain why, you're likely be harassed for not being a 'true fan', but if you do like it, you're dismissed as a drooling, zealot fanboy/girl.fanboy/girl/by
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** The episodes focusing on Mordecai's love life. Some like this story arc, but most dislike it due to being a RomanticPlotTumor and the fact that there's a LoveTriangle going on between Margaret and CJ. It came to a head when the DistantFinale revealed [[spoiler:he ended up with neither but instead married a ThirdOptionLoveInterest.]] Some liked this for being a SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome and argue Mordecai screwed up too much in his relationships with Margaret and CJ to [[WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack believably get back with either of them]] while others contend it essentially made the LoveTriangle that got so much focus AllForNothing and that a [[RealityIsUnrealistic realistic result is not necessarily a satisfying one]].

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** The episodes focusing on Mordecai's love life. Some like this story arc, but most dislike it due to being a RomanticPlotTumor and the fact that there's a LoveTriangle going on between Margaret and CJ. It came to a head when the DistantFinale revealed [[spoiler:he ended up with neither but instead married a ThirdOptionLoveInterest.]] Some liked this for being a SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome realistic and argue Mordecai screwed up too much in his relationships with Margaret and CJ to [[WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack believably get back with either of them]] while others contend it essentially made the LoveTriangle that got so much focus AllForNothing and that a [[RealityIsUnrealistic realistic result is not necessarily a satisfying one]].
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* Did the more character-focused, less humorous 4th season of ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' [[GrowingTheBeard Grow the Beard]] or ruin the series?

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* Did the more character-focused, less humorous 4th season of ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'' [[GrowingTheBeard Grow the Beard]] or ruin the series?

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