History BrokenBase / WesternAnimation

9th Feb '16 12:43:35 AM PKMN37
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** The show changes up the [[AdaptationalPersonalityChange personalities]] and romance lives of the characters heavily. Robin is usually MrFanservice and a [[BadassNormal strong, capable leader]] however in ''Go'' he is a neurotic, self-centered ButtMonkey who has an one-sided crush on Starfire. Beast Boy (who is much more comedic and annoying than before) and Raven are love interests when they were canonically platonic in the original. Terra has AdaptationalVillainy which makes her more like the comics Terra I and loathes Beast Boy's guts. Naturally all these changes have upset fans greatly.
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** The show changes up the [[AdaptationalPersonalityChange personalities]] and romance lives of the characters heavily. Robin is usually MrFanservice and a [[BadassNormal strong, capable leader]] however in ''Go'' he is a neurotic, self-centered ButtMonkey who has an one-sided crush on Starfire. Beast Boy (who is much more comedic and annoying than before) and Raven are love interests when they were canonically platonic in the original. Terra has AdaptationalVillainy which makes her more like the comics Terra I and loathes Beast Boy's guts. Naturally all these changes have upset fans greatly.
9th Feb '16 12:39:05 AM PKMN37
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** Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows [[TakeThatAudience way of handling criticism]]. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of ''Teen Titans'' who loathe ''Go''. To many the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while to others they agree with them.
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** Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows [[TakeThatAudience way of handling criticism]]. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of ''Teen Titans'' who loathe ''Go''. To many some, the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while to others they agree with them.
4th Feb '16 3:27:47 PM kablammin45
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** The fact that the bears were redesigned to be less chubby. Feelings were split between "the redesign was long overdue" and "the redesign was uncalled for".
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** The fact that the bears were redesigned to be less chubby. Feelings were split between "the redesign was long overdue" and "the redesign was uncalled for".for". * The possibility of a [[Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit Roger Rabbit-esque]] movie crossing over Creator/{{Nickelodeon}}'s famed Nicktoons, including, but not limited to ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'', ''WesternAnimation/RenAndStimpy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAngryBeavers'', and even ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold''. Some are excited at the idea of their favorite childhood characters meeting up and having an adventure, and think a movie like this could work if the folks working on it know what they are doing. Others, however, think that the idea is pandering too much to the 90s fanbase and brings back bad memories of poorly received [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks previous]] [[Film/YogiBear movie]] [[Film/TheSmurfs revivals]] of classic TV shows; fearing that a 90s Nickelodeon movie like this would fall into WereStillRelevantDammit and HumanFocusedAdaptation like those movies did. Another fear had by those against the idea of this is that crossing over the wildly different TV shows is just too complex to be done well.
3rd Feb '16 8:19:48 PM RAMChYLD
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** Scar has a new backstory that he was leader of former The Lion Guard before he had the power go to his head and killed the others. Most in the fandom have accepted his backstory as Taka from the semi-canon books for years so this new version doesn't mesh well. It also [[FridgeLogic confuses]] people on why Mufasa allowed a murderer around.
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** Scar has a new backstory that he was leader of former The Lion Guard before he had the power go to his head and killed the others. Most in the fandom have accepted his backstory as Taka from the semi-canon books for years so this new version doesn't mesh well. It also [[FridgeLogic confuses]] people on why Mufasa allowed a murderer around.around. * ''WesternAnimation/CareBearsAdventuresInCareALot'' was a center of at least three known broken bases. To wit: ** Canon foreigner and designated woobie ''Oopsy Bear''. Feelings about him are split between "Want to cuddle him all the time" and "Stupid bear, don't like him". Didn't help that some fans also felt like he was put in to replace Good Luck Bear (he wasn't, it was just that Good Luck Bear was conveniently demoted to extra). ** The demotion of Tenderheart Bear to extra and promotion of Cheer Bear to new leader. Likewise, Good Luck Bear only appearing in background. ** The fact that the bears were redesigned to be less chubby. Feelings were split between "the redesign was long overdue" and "the redesign was uncalled for".
3rd Feb '16 9:55:08 AM Streetstyle97
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* The fate of the Creator/MetroGoldwynMayer cartoons seems to be an example of an odd BrokenBase for marketing. Since as a brand it's long dead, but the question becomes are these more popular due to all the characters who Creator/HannaBarbera interacted with at one point or another or for the one-shot works by certain star animators? The queston also correlating for Warner Brothers being will more Creator/HannaBarbera or WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes fans care to buy them? This got to the point the general series releases got sent to Warner Archive like Hanna Barbera and bonus episodes made it to Bluray on a Looney Tunes set. ** Given that Looney Tunes brand of sets got canned, it looks like the future will lean a certain way. * Creator/CartoonNetwork: The biggest divider in CN's fanbase is without doubt when CN started going bad and whether it has improved since WesternAnimation/AdventureTime premiered on the network. To put it simply, bringing up anything made in 2007 or later can easily elicit negative responses from people who's favorites were gone by then. Take it back even further for fans of older cartoons. Not everyone is like this of course, but there seems to be a lot of bases where people are inclined to like one brand and hate the others. * Likewise to CN is the entirety of the WesternAnimation fandom. There are those who say that cartoons have been going downhill since [[NostalgiaFilter (insert year their favourite shows ended or least favourite began)]] and their are those who say that animation still maintains its sense of decency.
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* The fate of the Creator/MetroGoldwynMayer cartoons seems to be an example of an odd BrokenBase for marketing. Since as a brand it's long dead, but the question becomes are these more popular due to all the characters who Creator/HannaBarbera interacted with at one point or another or for the one-shot works by certain star animators? The queston also correlating for Warner Brothers being will more Creator/HannaBarbera or WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes fans care to buy them? This got to the point the general series releases got sent to Warner Archive like Hanna Barbera and bonus episodes made it to Bluray on a Looney Tunes set. ** Given that Looney Tunes brand of sets got canned, it looks like the future will lean a certain way. * Creator/CartoonNetwork: The biggest divider in CN's fanbase is without doubt when CN started going bad and whether it has improved since WesternAnimation/AdventureTime premiered on the network. To put it simply, bringing up anything made in 2007 or later can easily elicit negative responses from people who's favorites were gone by then. Take it back even further for fans of older cartoons. Not everyone is like this of course, but there seems to be a lot of bases where people are inclined to like one brand and hate the others.\n* Likewise to CN is the entirety of the WesternAnimation fandom. There are those who say that cartoons have been going downhill since [[NostalgiaFilter (insert year their favourite shows ended or least favourite began)]] and their are those who say that animation still maintains its sense of decency.
2nd Feb '16 9:26:36 AM PKMN37
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' fans can't seem to decide amongst themselves whether Gwen is the [[EnsembleDarkhorse only good thing about the show]] or its [[JumpTheShark debilitating ruination]]. Her ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]]'' version gets a lot of this too.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' fans can't seem to decide amongst themselves whether Gwen is the [[EnsembleDarkhorse only good best thing about the show]] or its [[JumpTheShark debilitating ruination]]. Her ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]]'' version gets a lot of this too.
30th Jan '16 3:46:45 PM StFan
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* Some crossover here between animation and comic book fandom, over wither "WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan" is a good show with funny jokes or a cheap, pandering replacement for "WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan" that got Marvel's [[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes best cartoon in years]] cancelled to be replaced by [[WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble similar]] [[WesternAnimation/HulkandtheAgentsofSMASH crap]].
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* Some crossover here between animation and comic book fandom, over wither "WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan" ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan'' is a good show with funny jokes or a cheap, pandering replacement for "WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan" ''WesternAnimation/TheSpectacularSpiderMan'' that got Marvel's [[WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes [[WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes best cartoon in years]] cancelled to be replaced by [[WesternAnimation/AvengersAssemble similar]] [[WesternAnimation/HulkandtheAgentsofSMASH crap]].
24th Jan '16 6:10:01 PM nombretomado
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* ''{{Superjail}}'' encountered a big example of this trope after the second season premiered, as the story format in episodes had changed along with the animation style (Augenblick had been too busy with ''UglyAmericans'', so the job went to Titmouse). Cries of RuinedForever could be heard, although there were fans that wound up on the defensive of ''any'' sort of criticism, claiming that anyone who didn't like any new stories had to be anti-character development and not a "real" fan. Likewise, certain season 2 critics also asserted that those who appreciated anything weren't real fans.
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* ''{{Superjail}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Superjail}}'' encountered a big example of this trope after the second season premiered, as the story format in episodes had changed along with the animation style (Augenblick had been too busy with ''UglyAmericans'', so the job went to Titmouse). Cries of RuinedForever could be heard, although there were fans that wound up on the defensive of ''any'' sort of criticism, claiming that anyone who didn't like any new stories had to be anti-character development and not a "real" fan. Likewise, certain season 2 critics also asserted that those who appreciated anything weren't real fans.
21st Jan '16 3:59:13 PM Pichu-kun
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** The series is an EdutainmentShow yet contains [[ArtisticLicenseBiology multiple zoology errors]]. Fans have pulled its edutainment status into question for that reason.
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** The series is an EdutainmentShow yet contains [[ArtisticLicenseBiology multiple zoology errors]]. Fans have pulled put its edutainment status into question for that reason.
19th Jan '16 8:46:48 PM Pichu-kun
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** While few would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first-season BigBad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans are sharply divided over the ''extent'' to which the VillainHasAPoint, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government is a vast [[FantasticRacism Fantastic Racist]] conspiracy, [[GodwinsLaw benders are Nazis]], and Amon is a [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighter]]!"
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** ** While few would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first-season BigBad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans are sharply divided over the ''extent'' to which the VillainHasAPoint, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government is a vast [[FantasticRacism Fantastic Racist]] conspiracy, [[GodwinsLaw benders are Nazis]], and Amon is a [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighter]]!"

** While few ** Asami was originally an Equalist inside agent however that was scrapped in development. In hindsight fans wonder if that would dispute that there's at least some grain of truth to first-season BigBad Amon's complaints of non-bender oppression by benders, fans have been better on not. On the pro-Equalist side are sharply divided over people who think it was [[{{foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] for much of Book 1 and would have liked Asami to have gone through a HeelFaceTurn similar to Zuko. People who dislike the ''extent'' to which idea don't like Asami as a stereotypical FemmeFatale or think she would have been handled poorly and have been locked up in jail for the VillainHasAPoint, from "there are a few bad seeds among benders, but there's no institutionalized oppression" to "the entire government series, instead of given a redemption plot or turning on the Equalists. ** Suyin's relationship with Kuvira is a vast [[FantasticRacism Fantastic Racist]] conspiracy, [[GodwinsLaw benders deeply debated one. There are Nazis]], lines that imply Su adopted Kuvira as a child and Amon is had a [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters freedom fighter]]!"strong bond with her however [[InformedAttribute it never appears in the series]]. They're always at each other's throats and show no relationship besides animosity. Whether Suyin was an emotionally AbusiveParent who didn't really think of Kuvira as anything more than a pupil, whether Suyin [[spoiler:trying to assasinate Kuvira]] was right or not, whether Suyin had a double standard towards her son, and whether Suyin [[spoiler:refusing to [[EasilyForgiven forgive]] Kuvira]] are debatable. This only adds onto Suyin's BaseBreaker status from Book 3.

** The series finale "Things Change": Brilliant and bittersweet way to end the series where Beast Boy learns a lesson about letting go, or a confusing and anti-climactic mess that goes against the mood of the series and leaves way too many unanswered questions? ** Beast Boy/Raven or Beast Boy/Terra?
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** The series finale "Things Change": Brilliant and bittersweet way to end the series where Beast Boy learns a lesson about letting go, or a confusing and anti-climactic mess that goes against the mood of the series and leaves way too many unanswered questions? questions? The way the episode treated Terra really upset contemporary fans who had other ideas of what would happen [[spoiler:when she was revived]]. ** Beast Boy/Raven or Beast Boy/Terra?Boy/Terra? Are Beast Boy and Raven even [[ImpliedLoveInterest a thing]] or do fans have their ShippingGoggles on too tight? WordOfGod says they were meant to be platonic however most of the fandom disagrees. Bumblebee and Cyborg suffer from a similar RelationshipWritingFumble.

** Whether or not ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' is a fun comedy that manages to properly make fun of the characters and the DC Universe as a whole or an abomination that mocks the memory of the original series is a debate that overshadows almost everything else regarding the Teen Titans...[[RuinedForever other than the quality of the current comics run]]. *** "Why are you getting so worked up over a kid's show?" (or variations thereof) being asked in relation to ''Teen Titans Go!'' tends to bring up debates over whether detractors' problems with the show are justified (whether or not the show is even kid-friendly, thanks to the heavy BlackComedy tone and the rampant [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Family Unfriendly Aesops]]) or are just them over-reacting to a show [[PeripheryHatedom not meant for them in the first place]].
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** Is Robin Dick Grayson or Tim Drake? There is nothing that suggests he is Tim - in fact everything from him being Starfire's love interest, to him being Nightwing, to the fact it's a ''New Teen Titans'' adaptation show very clearly he isn't - however it has been debated. * ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'': ** Whether or not ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' it is a fun comedy that manages to properly make fun of the characters and the DC Universe as a whole or an abomination that mocks the memory of the original series is a debate that overshadows almost everything else regarding the Teen Titans...[[RuinedForever other than the quality of the current comics run]]. *** ** "Why are you getting so worked up over a kid's show?" (or variations thereof) being asked in relation to ''Teen Titans Go!'' tends to bring up debates over whether detractors' problems with the show are justified (whether or not the show is even kid-friendly, thanks to the heavy BlackComedy tone and the rampant [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop Family Unfriendly Aesops]]) or are just them over-reacting to a show [[PeripheryHatedom not meant for them in the first place]]. place]]. ** The show changes up the [[AdaptationalPersonalityChange personalities]] and romance lives of the characters heavily. Robin is usually MrFanservice and a [[BadassNormal strong, capable leader]] however in ''Go'' he is a neurotic, self-centered ButtMonkey who has an one-sided crush on Starfire. Beast Boy (who is much more comedic and annoying than before) and Raven are love interests when they were canonically platonic in the original. Terra has AdaptationalVillainy which makes her more like the comics Terra I and loathes Beast Boy's guts. Naturally all these changes have upset fans greatly. ** Even fans of the show have mixed reactions to the shows [[TakeThatAudience way of handling criticism]]. The target demographic probably hasn't even seen the original cartoon and doesn't get the jokes but there have been no less than three episodes poking fun of fans of ''Teen Titans'' who loathe ''Go''. To many the episodes come off as extremely immature on part of the writers while to others they agree with them.
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