To-do list:
- Blade On A Stick was disambiguated between Weapon Specialization, Weapon-Based Characterization, Prongs of Poseidon, Devil's Pitchfork, Naginatas Are Feminine, and A Thicket of Spears. Move any wicks
that fit, and remove wicks that simply refer to characters using spears.
Original post:
Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes (copied from Sandbox.Blade On A Stick Wick Check).Blade On A Stick suffers from the "character uses x weapon" problem many weapon tropes have because includes anyone that uses a lance/polearm/spear as weapon regardless of the meaning.
Most wicks with context could be slotted to Weapon Specialization, Weapon-Based Characterization, Prongs of Poseidon, Devil's Pitchfork, and Naginatas Are Feminine + other tropes.
Looking at the description, I think something like Primitive Spear might be worth yarding but that's about it. Either way, spear/weapon related TL Ps can be drafted independent of this TRS thread.
Conclusion
I vote disambig between Weapon Specialization, Weapon-Based Characterization, Prongs of Poseidon, Devil's Pitchfork, and Naginatas Are Feminine and possibly other tropes.50/50 wicks checked.
Wick tally:
- Weapon Specialization: 18 wicks~~~~36%
- Lance as a weapon: 24 wicks(+1 wick from the multiple examples folder)~~~~48%
- Covered by other tropes 5 wicks (+2 wicks from the multiple examples folder): 10%
- Other: 3 wicks~~~~~~3%
- No-Nonsense Nemesis:In Gamaran, Combat Pragmatists are common. One of the straightest examples could be Ango Kuryuu(pothole)...
- Characters.The Ancient Magus Bride: Under Morph Weapon: Shows himself to be skilled in the use of these, transforming the key Isaac lent him into a halberd pothole
- Characters.Caterpillar Main Characters: Fights with a "Kabuto Horn" spear, which she can swing with amazing speed.
- Characters.Fire Emblem Awakening First Generation Males:His default weapon. Weirdly, his class change options are sword-wielding Mercenary and axe-wielding Fighter. None of his promoted classes (Hero, Warrior & Bow Knight) have lances as an option either, meaning he has to discard his lance rank altogether.
- Characters.Clash Royale:
- More like axe blades on a Magic Staff, which she uses with devastating effect.
- Their weapon of choice.
- Characters.Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Global Originals And Precursors:
- Natch, as a Dragoon. Her Trust Mastery reward is also her signature spear, which is slightly less powerful than Aileen's for pure numbers, but comes with a dragon-killing effect that stacks with other such effects, allowing her to hit Dragons with non-Jump attacks for truly absurd amounts of damage.
- She uses spear in battle and has a skill that reduces enemies' resistance to spear attacks.
- Characters.Dragon Quest The Adventure Of Dai Main Party: After losing the Demon Magical Armor Sword, Larhart hands him his Demon Magical Armor Lance, and Hyunckel retrains himself from scratch as a lancer. When offered another sword, Hyunckel decides to keep the lance to honor Larhart.
- Characters.Fire Emblem Three Houses Holy Kingdom Of Faerghus: The preferred weapon of choice for most Kingdom warriors is the lance. It's reinforced by the fact that most Heroes' Relics from the Kingdom are lances, including Areadbhar, the Lance of Ruin, and Lúin.
- Characters.Fire Emblem Three Houses Blue Lions: He has a hidden talent in lances, which he can express in the soldier and cavalier classes.
- Characters.Kuon: Wields a "Ceremonial Spear", a short cutting spear adorned with paper tassels she can use to cut monsters to shreds.
- Characters.Naruto Nagato:Pain's preferred choice of weapon is a black rod with a sharp tip, conjured by the powers of the Rinnegan. These are chakra receivers that Nagato uses to control the Six Paths of Pain. While they can be used for short-ranged combat, the blades can transit Nagato's chakra onto those who have been stabbed by the receivers.
- Characters.Sekiro Shadows Die Twice Secondary Characters: Wields a massive kata-kama yari. The description for Gyoubu's Broken Horn indicates that Isshin gifted it to Gyoubu Masataka Oniwa for his services during the rebellion, and Sword Saint Isshin himself wields it during the second and third phases of his boss fight.
- ComicBook.The Smurfs: Halberds seem to be the standard weapon for Smurfs, as they are seen many times whenever security is needed. They were never shown to hit anyone however.
- Film.Butterfly And Sword: The self-proclaimed "No. 1 Bladesman in China" uses a guandao as his weapon. He still gets his ass kicked by Meng anyways.
- Film.Tower Of Death:The aforementioned monk uses a two-sided monk spade as his preferred weapon when fighting Bobby.
- Film.Snake Eyes GI Joe Origins: Akiko's choice of weapon is staffs with retractable blades on the tips.
- Literature.The Ending Chronicle: G-Sp2, a Cowling Lance that holds inside 10th-Gear's Concept Core. This is a "divine lance" with a will on its own that recognizes Chisato as its owner.
- Recap.Uchu Sentai Kyuranger Ep 24: Gyabler's weapon of choice, the Chupacablance. It can even shoot lasers!
- Cute as a Bouncing Betty: Kinda tame and cute sounding compared to the other magical devices in the show, like Bardiche (pothole)
- Flying Weapon: Hell Gazer Device becomes a Flying Broomstick / Blade On A Stick
- Characters.Fire Emblem The Blazing Blade The Eight Legends: Maltet, the Lance of Ice And Snow.
- Characters.Beetleborgs: His Metallic Lancer as the Gold Beetleborg.
- Characters.Black Desert Online:Kerispear (Maewha) / Crescent Blade (Musa) (pothole)
- Characters.Fire Emblem Vision Quest:Has an higher Lance rank than her Sword rank, and starts with a Silver Lance
- Characters.Kirby Enemies:
- She wields a spear and throws it at Kirby to attack.
- Spear Soldiers wield spears.
- Spear Mariners wield spears.
- Characters.Mega Man X Maverick Bosses: What Zero will get from him.
- Characters.Tensou Sentai Goseiger Evil Spirits
- Commented out ZCE
- He’s based on a long spear.
- Characters.Warhammer 40000 Eldar:The zepherglaive is an elegant and perfectly balanced polearm used by those Harlequins who fight from the back of a skyweaver jetbikes. These weapons are wreathed in a molecular disruption field that allows them to cleave through flesh and armour with equal ease.
- Characters.Battle Arena Toshinden:
- VideoGame.Vindictus: She's an agile, acrobatic fighter with a battle glaive (pothole)
- Characters.Pirates Vikings And Knights
- His weapon is a halberd.
- Uses a Spear as his weapon
- Characters.Warriors Orochi:Her commented out ZCE
- CodexEquus.Tropes G To H: It's noted that as he continues experimenting with his powers, Written Word has since weaponized them in a few ways to differentiate himself from his father, such as throwing "shards" of purifying light from a distance, or manifesting it as other weapons such as spears (pothole), staffs, and maces.
- Fanfic.Heavens Light: Big Nose uses a spear in battle.
- Film.What Price Honesty: Sun Long uses a guandao during his rampage scene. By the time Zhong Heng, Luo Zhang, Ying Hao arrives with a detachment of reinforcements to arrest Sun Long, there are at least a dozen dead officers beside Sun Long, and plenty of red on the blade of that guandao.
- Fridge.Eternal Fighter Zero: Mishio's spear (pothole)
- Recap.King Smurf: Hefty Smurf and the other guards are armed with halberds.
- VideoGame.Weaponlord: Divada's weapon is a staff with blades attached on each end. There's also Zarak's guillotine-on-a-spear.
- VideoGame.Sa Ga Frontier 2: Nebelstern, Cordelia, Kelvin, Primiera and Rich Knights. Gustaf has a good affinity with spears, but sadly can't equip them... Not that he needs them anyway.
- Characters.Kan Colle One: Her mast is rendered into a spear. Her Kai Ni art lacks it, but an official publication◊ shows that she still has her spear with a slightly altered design, including an actual spearhead instead of just a pointy end.
- Characters.Deadliest Warrior
- The Ikwla spear, so named for the sound it made while stabbing someone and being removed.
- The Naginata.
- The Glaive.
- Characters.Starfinder Constructs: They wield tactical spears as weapons in addition to their usual melee strikes.
- Characters.Black Knight Marvel Comics:His power lance has many functions: thermal beams, ionic energy blasts, force blasts, bolo cables, a lasso, a machine gun, buzz discs, and sappers.
- Characters.Vinesauce Miitopia: After Part 5, his weapon becomes forks, spears and trident-like weapons, as of result of becoming an Imp. Devil's Pitchfork
- Webcomic.Tsunami Channel:
- Haruna is quite proficient in handling a naginata.
- She is presented as the perfect Samurai wife, with naginata handling (pothole) Naginatas Are Feminine
- Characters.Berserk Antagonists:
- He uses a trident that harmonizes with his knight division's whale/shark theme. He later uses a ranseur when he dons his shark armor at Doldrey. Prongs of Poseidon
- His favorite weapon is a long-hafted berdiche, with which he is capable of cutting men in half. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Feng Shen Ji
- His Blood Spear. ZCE/spear as a weapon
- During his fight with Huang Long, he manages to create his father's Blood Spear which he uses to finally defeat the powerful Ancient God. Ancestral Weapon
- VideoGame.Super Mario RPG: Under Meaningful Name—"Yari" means "spear" in Japanese. Yaridovich's design is decidedly spear-like.
- Sandbox.Nightelf 37 Personal: Pantheon sandbox page
- Pantheon.Dodging And Defensiveness: Pantheon page
Edited by Berrenta on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:39:44 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Paging ~MacronNotes and ~Theriocephalus and ~Hello83433 to the thread as requested.
I think we can safely disambiguate this between the tropes that were mentioned in the OP, and Yard anything salvageable like the suggested Primitive Spear trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 6th 2023 at 7:27:29 AM
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Disambig, yes.
In practice, how many examples of "primitive spear" are there to work with?
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Just stoic wisdom.
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@Theriocephalus I didn't find anything in the wick check although there are 4000 wicks so maybe we can find some through wick cleaning. I picked up some potential examples from Blade On A Stick's on page examples. Some of them might need expansion though.
- Fallout:The games feature a small assortment of spears that can be useful in the early to middle parts of the game, before getting completely eclipsed by various quality melee weapons, guns, and grenades. Still, dropping a fleeing Mook by hurling a spear through his back is far more badass then just shooting him. Spears are largely seen as primitive tribal weapons used by uncivilized peoples as John Cassidy implies. His daughter Rose of Sharon, despite being the daughter of a tribal, does not know how to use one.
- ElfQuest:
- Unsurprisingly given the stone age setting of at least the classic series and the fact that they make good hunting weapons when you're not fighting anything else, spears see quite a bit of use.
- One issue of Hidden Years deals with young chief Ember set on learning how to fight with a sword, like her father, until Redlance points out that that she has more talent when it comes to handling a spear and that, yes, a spear is a chief's weapon, too, citing among other examples Two-Spear. He goes on to train her, soon after drawing a comment from Pike that she was already better than himself.
- Warhammer 40,000: The Tau's closest allies, the Kroot, use gunpowder rifles with curved blades on them, harkening back to the days before Kroot had access to guns and fought with bladed staves. (Not sure if this counts)
There's also this one but the only "primitive" context comes from Nubile Savage
- The Warlord DC: The Nubile Savage Shakira wields a spear as her weapon of choice.
There's also this wick from Tarzan. It's on the on page examples but the "Lord of the Jungle line" isn't on the on page version.
- It's generally been lost in other media adaptations, but the Lord of the Jungle is an expert spear wielder and thrower. In each of the first two books, he uses one to save William Clayton's life.
Primitive Clubs also mentions that the oldest weapons were actually spears in real life but that they have very different connotations in fiction. Not sure if that's true.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 7th 2023 at 8:37:47 AM
Macron's notes
Professional Wick Checker
Disambig + yard.
the Retromancer
Just an idea thrown out there, but what about a trope called Stoic Spearman? As the page, there is a certain personality type usually associated with spear users and its rare to see a character like The Big Guy or The Berserker use a spear?
the Retromancer
Yarding is a free action. Also Weapon-Based Characterization is a thing.
Edited by Amonimus on Jun 7th 2023 at 7:20:52 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I feel Stoic Spear Man might be worth a subtrope of Weapon-Based Characterization like Brutish Character, Brutish Weapon, like how Billy is the Smart Guy of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers and uses a spear.
Or in Ever Oasis, the spear using Drauk are known as the most intelligent and graceful of the four races, contrasting with the plain seedlings that use Swords and the brutish Serkah that use hammers.
the wick check doesn't show that as a prevalent pattern so that idea would have to be developed from scratch at the Trope Launch Pad.
I'll say that personally, I'm not convinced that is an actual character archtype, but that's because the sole example of a spearman that comes to mind for me is Ikkaku Madarame from Bleach, who is a Hot-Blooded Blood Knight
Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 8th 2023 at 3:58:32 PM
I was worried something like this is gonna happen.
Like, knives, axes, staves, and whips are now TRS-ed and Green links...
How about Slender Spear User or something for how spear users who tends to be skinnier / taller / thinner to match the length of their weapon? Like Brutish Character, Brutish Weapon, but inverted
Edited by RobertTYL on Jun 9th 2023 at 8:00:47 PM
the Retromancer
As mentioned, existing Blade On A Stick examples put no focus on characterss appearance or personality, so any new idea ideas have to be made from scratch.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of disambiguating and Yarding Primitive Spear.
Edit: Put up a bulletin after asking the other mods whether it would be a good idea.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 9th 2023 at 8:17:10 AM
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All right, the page is disambiguated and Primitive Spear has been Yarded. Here are the wicks. The bulletin should help speed things up.
As Amonimus said. That said Robert, if you'd like to start that draft, you can move examples that fit that concept over to that draft page (and encourage others dewicking to do the same) while helping to dewick the old one. That way if there are examples in line with that idea that the wick check didn't capture, they won't be lost.
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
I added Double Weapon to the disambiguation, as I noticed several examples of that trope after cleaning up only a few pages.
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Another one of those weapon ones like Whip It Good I assume?
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Man in the Yellow Hat
Is it alright to add Jousting Lance to the disambig?
There's so much I wish I could take back.
To-do list:
Original post:
Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes (copied from Sandbox.Blade On A Stick Wick Check).Blade On A Stick suffers from the "character uses x weapon" problem many weapon tropes have because includes anyone that uses a lance/polearm/spear as weapon regardless of the meaning.
Most wicks with context could be slotted to Weapon Specialization, Weapon-Based Characterization, Prongs of Poseidon, Devil's Pitchfork, and Naginatas Are Feminine + other tropes.
Looking at the description, I think something like Primitive Spear might be worth yarding but that's about it. Either way, spear/weapon related TL Ps can be drafted independent of this TRS thread.
Conclusion
I vote disambig between Weapon Specialization, Weapon-Based Characterization, Prongs of Poseidon, Devil's Pitchfork, and Naginatas Are Feminine and possibly other tropes.50/50 wicks checked.
Wick tally:
- Characters.Black Knight Marvel Comics:His power lance has many functions: thermal beams, ionic energy blasts, force blasts, bolo cables, a lasso, a machine gun, buzz discs, and sappers.
- Characters.Vinesauce Miitopia: After Part 5, his weapon becomes forks, spears and trident-like weapons, as of result of becoming an Imp. Devil's Pitchfork
Swiss-Army WeaponEdited by Berrenta on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:39:44 AM
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