Is this an example?

It's gone. Considering two of the "Played With" examples on the page weren't being used correctly, here's the rest of them just to be safe:

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• Cats Are Mean: Asuri is a tiger spirit person... thing, and seems to be quite the savage fighter. However, this is ultimately subverted in that she acts as a guardian of her homeland. (Also a ZCE and is currently commented out)
• Don't Fear the Reaper:
  • Zig-zagged with Nix, who isn't outright malevolent but seems to be working out of selfish motives and tends to wear a maniacal grin. All of her alternate skins barring Wipeout drop any subtlety on the matter.
• Double Jump: taken Up To Eleven. All characters have a triple jump by default, and are able to cancel all momentum once while in the air, and can make aerial attack to get a final upwards momentum boost if the need arises.^note Said attack, called "recovery" or "rec" by the community, also has an "exhausted" version that doesn't go as high, using one of your jumps in the process. (Does Up To Eleven count as being played with?)
• Horror Hunger: It's implied that Mordex ate his fellow monster hunters after turning into a werewolf; that said, Mordex wanted to be a werewolf, and probably didn't care or feel any remorse for them anyway.
• Just Like Robin Hood: Subverted with the Lucien quote "I steal from the rich because they have all the money." (Also a ZCE and is currently commented out)
• Karmic Thief: Subverted. Lucien does tend to steal from the rich because, according to him, "they have all the money", but nothing is beneath him if he can turn a profit from it.
• Muscles Are Meaningless: Zig-zagged. Musclebound characters are unvariably strong, but the reverse is far from being always true. (Also a ZCE and is currently commented out)
• Naginatas Are Feminine: Downplayed: Most spear users are female, but a few males use them (6 to 3). (Also a ZCE and is currently commented out)
• Rerouted from Heaven: Inverted; despite Valhalla being the Norse equivalent to heaven for warriors, there are a few less-than-savory fighters that were considered worthy or are there through some mistake, it isn't always made clear. Namely, we have a demonic mobster, an insane pirate, a lich lord^note who is heavily implied to be a Retired Monster who regularly gets dragged out of retirement, much to his chagrin, and a man-turned-werewolf who would do anything for more power.
• You Gotta Have Blue Hair:
  • Sidra, Dusk, and Val have white hair, but as an AI, Val was purposefully created with it.

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I think that's all of them. I've been staring at this page for too long...

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I would delete them all except Double Jump, Horror Hunger, Rerouted from Heaven, and You Gotta Have Blue Hair.

Edited by Twiddler on Aug 9th 2019 at 10:56:31 AM

what said, but cut the pothole from You Gotta Have Blue Hair. the word "justified" should never be used in an edit, even in a pothole. the phrase itself is fine.

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- What's wrong with Justified Trope?

It just means it has an In-Universe explanation.

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Question about shows like RWBY.

In works like this, You Gotta Have Blue Hair and Implausible Hair Colour appear to be in effect because hair dyeing is extremely common. While there may be a couple of characters who are implied to naturally have Implausible Hair Colour, most characters who fall under one of the two tropes do so because they're most likely to be dyeing their hair. Some shows may even have in-universe reasons for why entire populations appear to dye their hair (RWBY is one show with an in-universe reason for it).

Do these tropes apply to hair dye or just to works where characters have inexplicably odd hair colours? The reason I'm asking is because the image caption for the You Gotta Have Blue Hair trope states 'Blue, purple, green, no hair dye required. (Then again, they are mermaids.)'. I'm therefore trying to figure out if the image caption is misleading or whether populations using hair dye for in-universe reasons is merely Justified Trope.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 10th 2019 at 11:41:45 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

I think the caption is just supposed to be a joke regarding how they all seemingly have those hair colors naturally.

Would like some more opinions on the whole Justified Trope thing before I snip it.

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the word "justified", in the text of an example, 99 times out of 100 means it's a Justifying Edit, and even if it's not one, it looks like one. they've been considered bad form for as long as ive been on the wiki. if there's an in-universe explanation, just say it, without including "justified", which is cruft anyway.

Edited by razorrozar7 on Aug 10th 2019 at 5:56:29 AM

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You Gotta Have Blue Hair also says "no dye" in its description, not just the caption.

e: sorry about the double post, brain fart

Edited by razorrozar7 on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:02:10 AM

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I added this to Film.Sonys Universe Of Marvel Characters, does the definition make sense:

• Alternate Continuity: This is one to Marvel Cinematic Universe although it runs concurrently to the MCU being a separate canon. Sony have said they may do future crossovers with the MCU, so this is a rare example of an Alternate Continuity that is also an Alternate Universe.

Am I correct in thinking that sometimes Alternate Continuities can become an Alternate Universe, or is this Square Peg Round Trope ?

I am asking here on whether the use of the word "Komyushu" to describe a character generally makes them examples of Ambiguous Disorder. This has been discussed in the discussion page of Komi Can't Communicate, but I'd to bring this question to a broader audience.

While "Komyushu" is just a contracted form of "Communication Disorder", the former encompasses a broader range of problems. As I wrote on Characters.No Game No Life several years ago (and I continue to stand by that definition):

• Ambiguous Disorder: One of the first things the audience learns of her is that she has a communication disorder. In Japanese parlance, that is a catch-all phrase that covers not only what English mean by this term, such as Speech Impediment, but also such things as social anxiety or autism.

This broad definition of "Communication Disorder" seems to creep into their medical usage. For example, With the Light, which I take to be aiming to be more medically accurate, refers to High-Functioning Autism as a communication disorder, something no English speaker would do.

On the other side of the token, I am under the impression that when a Japanese creator uses this term to refer to a character, they most likely mean the character is Shrinking Violet and/or No Social Skills.

Since that term is rather frequently used to describe Anime characters, I would want to have a general guidance regarding "Komyushu" and the trope of Ambiguous Disorder.

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what's the actual dictionary definition of the term? just to get a little more background about it, as someone wholly unfamiliar with the concept.

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Dictionary definition at where and for when?

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(x8) What in-universe reason does RWBY have? It seems to fall under You Gotta Have Blue Hair. Ruby inherited her black-and-red/dark red/black with red tint hair from her mother and Ren inherited his pink strand of hair from his mother.

Dye Hard is for hair dye.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Aug 10th 2019 at 1:17:09 AM

This was under Characters.Friendship Is Magic One Shots:

• Foil: To Starlight Glimmer pre-HeelFaceTurn. Both are leaders of their respective villages of dull-colored ponies who used magic to "better" their townspeople, but while Starlight Glimmer is an authoritarian two-faced Control Freak who doesn't tolerate anyone dissenting against her and denies she harmed her people, Sunny Skies is genuinely a Nice Guy who is remorseful for taking away the ponies of Hope Hollow's color and doesn't demand happiness from his people.

I removed it since I believe that since foil is about contrasting characters that highlight each others traits, they have to interact to count. Otherwise it's just a People Sit on Chairs comparison.

Do they need to interact? Or is getting compared in-universe enough to count?

If not Foil is Contrasting Sequel Antagonist a possibility?

For the actual question, I'm not sure if that have to actually interact. The best I could spot was this line from near the end of the description which suggests they do:

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I just saw this entry added to Characters.Dead By Daylight but, after looking at the trope's page to see if it was crosswicked, I'm not sure it's a proper example of the trope. The section in brackets is my addition for context.

• Go Among Mad People: Circumstances forced [Sally Smithson, the Nurse,] to work at the Crotus Prenn Asylum and the actions of people within the asylum lead her to insanity. One morning, the other doctors and nurses found over 50 inmates dead from strangulation and Sally rocking back and forth in the corner. Her finishing move in-game suggests that she killed them as a twisted form of euthanasia.

I'm not entirely clear on the trope, so I'm not 100% sure of this example's validity. While being in the presence of the mad drives her mad, which is an element of the trope, the Nurse herself was never actually a patient. She was never committed to the asylum herself. She just snapped one day and killed a bunch of people.

Edited by sgamer82 on Aug 11th 2019 at 9:51:23 AM

In that case, this bit in Characters.Jo Jos Bizarre Adventure Vento Aureo needs to be checked. It's in a folder with Spoilers Off, but it isn't that harmful IMO.

This does not seems to be intentional on part of the author, and strikes me as a sort of same-series Surprisingly Similar Characters. Also, the more I look at it, the more it strikes me as stretching and shoehorning.

Edited by Brainulator9 on Aug 11th 2019 at 11:54:15 AM

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• All Love Is Unrequited: It becomes clear very quickly that Runar has deep feelings for Y'shtola, being by far the most broken up when he thinks she's died and the most overjoyed when she's rescued from the Lifestream. But ultimately he agrees it's for the best for her to depart to help bring the night back to the rest of Novrandt. For Y'shtola's part, she's far more kind and gentle to him than she is to pretty much anyone else, especially after she Took a Level in Jerkass after taking up the name of Matoya.

I think it's an inappropriate example because there's no explicit indication he's actually in love, and his behavior and interactions with Y'shtola could just as easily be explained by having a strong platonic friendship or mentor/student relationship. At best it seems like an Alternate Character Interpretation.

Note: sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, I've never done this before.

Edited by Lionrider on Aug 11th 2019 at 11:28:18 AM

Is Howard the Duck an example of What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? or What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?? It was rated PG, but that rating had a different meaning in 1986 when PG-13 had just been introduced. Was it marketed as a family film?

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I can't recall if it was marketed as a kids' movie. The main thing I remember that might be related was the podcast How Did This Get Made? going to town on the whole "duck titties" thing that comes early on.

Reposting because of a lack of feedback.

There are a couple parts in the Fantastic Four (2015) entry on Creator Killer that I find questionable: the first is the one on Tom Rothman, which considering he's still working at Sony Pictures, doesn't sound like the film hurt his career as a studio executive in general at all. The second one is about 20th Century Fox, which looks rather speculative; I have never seen an article that said "the failure of Fant4stic likely caused Rupert Murdoch to sell Fox to Disney". Now that might've been the case, but without a source it's just speculation. Any thoughts?

• Fantastic Four
  • The film's failure, and the subsequent success of Fox's next Marvel film, Deadpool (2016), effectively rendered Tom Rothman a laughingstock, not to mention an embarrassment to comic book fans everywhere. Rothman built a reputation for being a Mean Boss at Fox and his efforts to "improve on" X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the latter in which he had the Merc's Mouth sewn shut, and the failure of Fant4stic ensured that it'll be a quite while before people will let Rothman live down his mismanagement of Fox's Marvel properties. The fact that he jumped ship to Sony Pictures (itself already infamous for The Amazing Spider-Man Series and most of Happy Madison Productions' recent output under Amy Pascal's reign) and greenlit films like The Emoji Movie and Slender Man following his promotion in 2015 hasn't helped his reputation.
  • It even proved to be Fox's own Heaven's Gate. Keep in mind that the film was Rothman's "parting gift" to Fox (read: it was the last film he greenlit for the studio), which released it years after his departure and never really recovered from its crushing failure despite the success of Deadpool and the X-Men films that had been released afterward. Within three years or so of the film's release, Fox got acquired by fellow Big Six studio Disney, causing the film rights to Fantastic Four and X-Men to effectively revert to the company they wanted to avoid the rights reverting to, rendering the entire effort pointless at best while leaving Hollywood with a less competitive industry than it had before.

As you said, the first bullet point about Rothman is pure complaining, given that he still (?) works at Sony Pictures, while the second bullet point is both complaining and speculation. IMO, both should be cut.

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Come to think of it, the Fantastic Four (2015) example really needs to be reworked. Without the Fox and Rothman parts, all that's left is the ones for the actors involved (which should be listed under Star-Derailing Role) and Josh Trank (which IMO, counts, but his entry is filled with editorializing). Also, some pages (like DorkAge.Film and NeverLiveItDown.Film) blame Fant4stic for killing Fox; I might need to make a thread somewhere here about this.

Edited by OldLadyNightMan on Aug 11th 2019 at 3:28:41 PM

I agree.

Also, regarding Anime.Rebuild Of Evangelion, I would like to add this trope in:

• Foregone Conclusion: Those who have seen the original TV series will know what will happen in the reboot such as Shinji instigating Third Impact and Kaworu's death causing Shinji to fall into despair.

Edited by gjjones on Aug 11th 2019 at 10:06:24 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

@ Primis is your response to me or the post above?

I don't really think that's valid, since things could go very differently in a reboot.

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