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Beiahnu Since: Dec, 2012
Jan 22nd 2020 at 10:25:49 PM •••

Would it be prudent to change the main tropes page image?

Albeit is a nice moment in the manga, the current image shows very little of the two main characters, and maybe one of the manga covers would be better.

The current image also provides very little visual context for individuals who have not read the manga.

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rex6565 Since: Jun, 2017
Apr 29th 2020 at 2:58:25 PM •••

Yeah it should be changed. Let's change it to the English cover of the first volume of manga. https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/713U7787WCL.jpg

I'm here because I have A TON of free time or nothing on tv or I'm just procrastinating.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 31st 2019 at 5:41:50 PM •••

I have to question the entries for An Aesop. Enough that I've submitted it to the Is this an example? thread (See here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=326#comment-8129 , you'll have to copy/paste the link since clicking doesn't work in discussions for some reason). My two main issues are

1. Fourteen bullet points seems like an ABSURD amount of aesops for what is essentially a gag manga.

2. It seems to me that if the trope IS going to qualify, it merits explaining just HOW the manga delivers these aesops to provide proper context. In other words, those aesops are currently Zero-Context Examples to a bullet point.

There's also the fact that the An Aesop page itself says "An Aesop is among the Tropes of Legend. Almost every work can be considered to have an Aesop, so only put series-wide examples, or examples that have no sub-trope here.", but a reply in the Is this an example? thread suggests this is a relatively new addition.

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Beiahnu Since: Dec, 2012
Apr 1st 2019 at 11:50:46 AM •••

I'll erase them if they're a bother, since I'm the one who wrote them. It seems that the context for the An Aesop trope does require actual examples, and they're too many not to make them clunky.

I admit that it was my mistake, since I don't remember any of the examples actually ending with a cautionary summary of sorts, but if some of them warrant examples that someone finds, it would be justified to put them in.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 1st 2019 at 4:45:48 PM •••

I have no issue with their being examples, but fourteen for one manga seems a bit much in my opinion and, without context, they're just a bunch of generic morals with no context to how they link to the series. Granted, if you know the premise some of them make sense, but the idea of Zero Context Examples is to not presume that.

Beiahnu Since: Dec, 2012
Apr 2nd 2019 at 7:09:51 AM •••

Sorry about that. Looking for context and literal examples implies reading the manga again, which is nice and all, but that will take an awful lot of time.

SamCurt Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 25th 2019 at 9:00:22 PM •••

Because the trope itself is controversial, I'd rather ask people here for advice: given the inherently ambiguous meaning of the word "Komyushou" as used here (or really, in Japanese parlance), is it fair to apply the trope Ambiguous Disorder on Komi?

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Beiahnu Since: Dec, 2012
Mar 25th 2019 at 9:16:37 PM •••

Considering that Komi is Emotionally Tongue-Tied, her disorder is not psychologically crippling, or pathologically relevant. She is not taking medication and not being treated, so can it be safe to assume that there is nothing wrong with her other than the fact that she is painfully shy?

But then again, trope says:

"Basically, as a rule of thumb: If your behavior doesn't significantly and negatively impact your quality of life, well-being and desired relationship with others, you don't have a mental disorder."

Komi's quality of life was indeed negatively affected by her disorder, but she is a kind a gentle person regardless. As far as her disorder goes, it is ambiguous indeed.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
Mar 25th 2019 at 9:36:32 PM •••

I could see this going either way. The series definitely presents Komi as having a disorder, but potentially not enough to warrant use of the Ambiguous Disorder trope.

The "Is This an Example?" forum thread (under Trope Talk) might be a good place to get an outside opinion, barring a cleanup thread if there is one. If there is, though, I didn't find it when I checked the Projects threads.

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