Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

"Cash in on the trend," "the whole point is to feature Xtreme Troping for 100 minutes," "occasionally the plot will be strong enough to make for an entertaining work on its own, but this is far from a requirement." It just feels like it was written by someone who hates these plots and thinks they always suck.

Added Extreme Sport Excuse Plot to Tropes Needing TRS.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 31st 2020 at 12:16:16 PM

More Fridge.Star Trek Voyager— a thing which suggests Neelix deserves to go to hell and a clearly-insincere "how original".

Is Voyager the cartoon reboot? I don't even think it's that bad.

Star Trek: Lower Decks is the cartoon.

There was also an animated series, which I watched and thought was pretty decent, limited animation notwithstanding.

Ah, I see. Must've got them confused.

The very first bullet on NightmareFuel.Shark Tale is stealth complaining about the movie.

• The very awkward looking CGI, which swims the dark depths of the Uncanny Valley. Many will find it very difficult to see the characters as actual characters, or only just the celebrities they're been (disturbingly) made to look like.

EDIT: As such, I cut the example.

Edited by Albert3105 on Aug 1st 2020 at 12:48:08 PM

On Live-Action Adaptation the image caption has been changed from "From cels to cells" to "There is no movie in ba sing se.".

Reverted, sent a notifier about ignoring commented-out warnings.

I found this on the No Export for You page for the Tales series:

"If you are a fan of the Tales Series and you don't live in Japan, Namco hates you."

I know the franchise had some odd decisions about what gets exported and what doesn't, but this sounds especially harsh. Would it be alright if I cut it?

Edited by ejmenendez on Aug 2nd 2020 at 2:41:04 AM

It’s also kinda dated at this point. They stopped localizing Tales games entirely between 2008 and 2012, if I remember right, but since then, they’ve reversed course and brought over all the main series games from Graces F onward. There are still games that never left Japan, but that entry was probably from the drought period.

So yes, I’d say cut it.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Aug 2nd 2020 at 8:36:37 AM

I'm glad that we've already removed the link to Lazy Artist for a real life person on Trivia.Garfields Scary Scavenger Hunt, but the Clumsy Copyright Censorship entry seems a little complainy. Does removing branded items really "very much kill the joy and point of playing the whole game"?

That almost reads like it was written by a corporate shill. Because as we all know, the whole point of video games is to be rewarded by looking at images of <Product> brought to you by <Brand>. Because looking at these images is a reward all by itself.

Also, since when did Trivia/ pages get images?

It doesn't even appear to fit the trope. Clumsy Copyright Censorship:

The images were replaced, not blanked out.

edit: And they're in the wrong place, neither of those is a trivia trope. Although I have to wonder why Digital Destruction isn't classified as trivia.

edit 2: moved examples to the main work page (changing Clumsy Copyright Censorship to Orwellian Retcon) and put the trivia page on the cut list.

Edited by Twiddler on Aug 2nd 2020 at 1:59:13 AM

This example on He Who Must Not Be Seen sounds like work-bashing.

• The User in ReBoot. The closest we ever get to seeing the human operating Mainframe is a computer screen when he or she restarts the system. And no, Reboot The Guardian Code never happened and doesn't count.

I understand what's going on with this entry (it's on Horrible.Live Action TV and it's depicting the user as a Take That, Audience! fanboy à la Mark the Tapir, but it's still complain-y to declare something Fanon Discontinuity on a main page. Maybe say And that is all that will be said about The User.

I would say just delete everything after the word "system". The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment shouldn't be potholed like that.

I agree. Also, the Fanon Discontinuity wick violates What Goes Where on the Wiki, since YMMV wicks can only go on pages for objective tropes if they're in-universe.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 3rd 2020 at 6:13:13 AM

You could also just say "This is averted in Reboot The Guardian Code where the User does appear onscreen." No further details needed, the original entry has enough context.

I found this on Disney:

• Disney Channel has been ridiculous about this. For the most part, they air the same roster of shows that they've been promoting for the past few years constantly, and they often share actors with each other as well as movies that are hardly different from one another, whether it be a Chick Flick with a twist, a film adaptation to a sitcom, or a High School Musical knockoff.
  • The biggest frustration in Disney's case: Several networks have SOMEWHAT of an excuse in that they have to pay for the rights to air syndicated programming and budget issues could be the reason they limit the number of shows and feature them in blocks/marathons. Disney has no such excuse because they own 100 percent of everything they run, including a ginormous library of past shows, but they insist on airing the same episodes of the same handful of shows they've recently released.
    • Speaking of which, Disney Channel's also got a case of Adored Episodes. They really want to make sure you have every chance to see the latest episodes until you have them practically memorized. Want to watch a first season episode of any show when any sane individual (particularly the network's target demographic) is actually still up? Too bad - should've caught them when Disney Channel was rerunning those episodes to death.

Sorry if it's just me...

Edited by fragglelover on Aug 6th 2020 at 12:55:45 PM

That's super nattery and complainy and general. Cut it.

That's really natter-y and complain-y. Cut.

I was thinking about this last night, and Recycled In Space sounds VERY negative and complain-y. Despite the paragraphs of how to use it properly, people still pothole it as a way to say "I think this sucks because it's a rip-off of this", usually based on just title alone, or taking the "space" part too literally.

Even the name and image, Angry Birds and Angry Birds Space, isn't correct. AB Space isn't a rip-off, it's a sequel. Due to the space theme, there's emphasis on launching birds into small planetoids with gravity fields rather than just the standard Angry Birds gameplay. There are many differences too, including a new bird that turns materials into ice, and the yellow bird has been modified from having a speed boost to being able to change target in mid-air. There are new mechanics like water that birds can dip in and out of and pigs trapped in crystals that have to be destroyed first.

Dan Browned is written in a very negative tone, and at times borderline becomes Creator Bashing. Also, I don't think that tropes should be allowed to be named after creators in general.

I know we have a thread for trope descriptions, but as was discovered in this ATT query, the description for Keep Circulating the Tapes features blatant Complaining About Shows You Don't Like in this overly long paragraph:

tl;dr version: "Why can we get complete sets of these shows, but not these other shows that absolutely everyone knows about?"

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 6th 2020 at 10:09:34 AM