WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD FOR MARK OF ATHENA, HOUSE OF HADES, AND BLOOD OF OLYMPUS
- Start kicking ass.
- Proclaim that while they may have dealt with Mother Earth, she isn't limited to one element.
- Have to fight with Hecate for title of Archwitch by using belief. Hecate will look as if she is winning, for she'll draw on worship of her of past, present, and future... and then Baba Yaga will draw on power of fairy tales, being the progenitor of a certain trope, winning immediately.
- In tales she is referred as grandmother of Devil — she'll draw head demon. [[Satan Satan himself]] and archangels in conflict, and so whole Christian cosmology.
- Finally, Day, Sun, Night, Earth and Sky will be revealed to be protogenoi from Greek mythology.
- Hazel did promise to keep Frank's life-stick-thing safe for him, didn't she? That's our "oath to keep with final breath". She dies, he gets angry, the stick self-ignites and finally reduces completely to ashes.
- Jossed, both survive. The "oath to keep with final breath" is from Leo, who vows on the River Styx to save Calypso from her island prison of Ogygia.
How does the Prophecy go: Seven Half-Bloods shall answer the call/To storm or fire the world must fall/An oath to keep with a final breath/And foes bear arms to the doors of death.
My guess is that Percy and Jason, who can canonically combine their demigod powers to create powerful storms, will cook one up to try to put Gaea back to sleep, and since she's literally the Mother of All Big Bads, it won't work, or they'll be using too much power to control it. Leo, seeing his friends about to die from energy depletion, goes supernova with his pyrokinesis. This not only puts Gaea back to sleep, but also destroys a good portion of whatever army Gaea's built up to destroy Olympus. The remaining Heroes pair off (Frank/Hazel, Jason/Piper, and Percy/Annabeth), Leo gets to see his Mom in the Underworld, and the day is saved.
Because let's face it: Leo Valdez was never meant to go out in anything less than a blaze of glory.
- This seems horribly likely. *sob*
- But what about Calypso?! Leo swore on the River Styx that he would return and help her escape her island prison!
- That's the thing! That's the oath to keep with a final breath.
- You cannot die on Ogygia. He's going to sacrifice himself, and in the process he's going to end up back on the island. It may take months, years or even centuries, but working together they can absolutely manage to find a way off the island.
- Confirmed as of Blood of Olympus. He comes back from the dead, however, after Festus injects him with the Physician's Cure.
- This seems horribly likely. *sob*
- Greek: Percy, Leo, Piper
- Roman: Jason, Reyna, ???
- Given that Aphrodite told Piper that she would be the mediator who brings about cooperation between the two camps, it would seem to be 3 Greeks (Percy, Annabeth, and Leo) 3 Romans (Jason, Reyna?, and uknown) and 1 other— Piper, who brings the two sides together.
- Or, we could simply see it as 4 Greeks and 3 Romans. The Greek campers get one more because they've held the helm of the series from the beginning, the greek version of the myths are the most well-known (most of the time, never mind Hercules) and we're used to them by now. Agreed that the greeks would be Piper, Leo (already stated as pretty much a fact), Percy (obviously), and the fourth is likely to be Annabeth because unless something horrible happens to her (see other WMG theories in this page), she's not going to just wait while Percy goes off to the Doors of Death; she's his girlfriend and has been his lancer all through the first series. From the roman camp we have Jason, I'm betting Reyna (especially if there's a Love Dodecahedron situation involved), and someone else.
- Seeing as Aphrodite was the mother of the first Roman demigod, and Piper is slated to be the mediator between the two sides, she'll most likely be seen as neutral
- Given that Aphrodite told Piper that she would be the mediator who brings about cooperation between the two camps, it would seem to be 3 Greeks (Percy, Annabeth, and Leo) 3 Romans (Jason, Reyna?, and uknown) and 1 other— Piper, who brings the two sides together.
- You're all wrong - three of the heroes will be Leucos, Axios, and Eris.
- Riordan has confirmed that the seven demigods are children of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, and Aphrodite.
- All right, so that's Jason, Percy, Nico, Leo, Annabeth, Clarisse, and Piper, respectively.
- It's very unlikely to be Clarisse. Given how much more the god of war is respected as Mars than Ares, his demigod will almost definitely be a Roman.
- Plus, there's a good chance that the child of Hades would be from the Roman camp (as a child of Pluto). Whilst Nico is powerful in his own right, to only have two people from the Roman camp (i.e. Jason and this child of Mars) as part of the seven would be really unfair. As stated above, 3 from the Greek Camp and 3 from the Roman Camp with Piper as the middle ground seems the most likely.
- Frank is the Ares kid.
- But that would mean that, after the big deal they made of Hades being the only one to stay true to the oath, he would've secretly broken it anyway. From what we've seen of him, he doesn't seem the type. It'd make much more sense if the extra Roman was a child of Minerva. Annabeth doesn't have to be in the prophecy to be involved in the war.
- Thats if the oath covers all of their aspects. We know that Zeus broke it with Jason as his Jupiter aspect (though thats not saying much considering how faithful Zeus is). We know that they have completely different personalities as their Roman aspects, so it is still fairly possible that Pluto has a child at the Roman camp. This troper will admit though to leave Annabeth out of this prophecy would be a good plot twist.
- Hazel was born several years before Nico, but a lot of time dead. She wasn't born against the oath.
- As of now it is most likely that the 7 heroes will be Percy, (Poseidon) Jason, (Jupiter) Piper (Aphrodite) Leo (Hephaestus), Annabeth (Athena), and the two new characters that were introduced in Son of Neptune: Hazel (Pluto) and Frank (Mars).
- Final guess is Confirmed. Those 7 are the ones in the prophecy.
- All right, so that's Jason, Percy, Nico, Leo, Annabeth, Clarisse, and Piper, respectively.
- He will also raise an entire badass WWI/Napoleonic/WWII/Vietnam War combined army from the dead and they curb-stomp a third of the monster army.
- Half-jossed. In the Burning Maze, it's confirmed that Jason and Piper have broken up a few months before the events in the Burning Maze; however, Jason never had feelings for Nico or Reyna. Just as suddenly, though, Jason dies at the hands of Caligula and never gets together with anyone else.
Seconded, I really can't see a quest or book fullstop without Annabeth. Looking at the line up so far, they need someone 'smart' on the team and Rick already admitted a child of Athena will be one of the seven. Any other child of Athena/Minerva will just seem like a weak replacement for Annabeth to the fans.
Confirmed.
Jossed. She almost did it but Annabeth tricked her.
- Jossed further by The Staff of Serapis, which is set after The Blood of Olympus
- Well, Clarisse did have her epic Big Damn Heroes scene in TLO...My money's on Apollo. Every good raid group needs a ranged character/healer.
- My money's on a SON of Artemis. Just for Irony.
- Not likely for obvious reasons. Artemis will have to have made him out of a flower or woodland critter or moonlight or something, is all I'm saying.
- Sculpture made out of moon-rock is my bet. Also, I believe she loved two men in Greek Mythology. One died (Orion, I think), the other was put into an eternal sleep (Endymion). Third time's the charm.
- One man, Orion, whom Apollo tricked Artemis into killing because he wanted to preserve her virginity. Endymion was Selene, a titan.
- Actually, Diana (Her Roman form) fell in love with both.
- My guess is that Apollo and Demeter will finally get some love - Apollo's had one scene and only a couple off-hand mentions in the series. Demeter had a couple scenes more than Apollo but we don't really know any of her children, same with Apollo.
- As cool as having seven children of seven different gods form the prophesized group would be, why does Nico "seem inevitable"? Granted, the kid is an Ensemble Dark Horse of the grandest kind, but... note
- A major problem for the demigods right now is that slain monsters are regenerating almost immediately because of that tunnel Gaia made into Tartarus. But monsters killed by Stygian iron never regenerate because their essence is absorbed into the metal. And since Stygian iron can only be wielded by children of the Underworld, Nico's the only demigod who can kill monsters that will actually stay dead. So it stands to reason that he'll be a key player in all this one way or another.
- Since Jason's one the seven, Thalia probably won't be, assuming a limit of one hero per god. Combined with everything that's going on with Gaia smuggling people out of the Underworld, the Stygian iron thing, and Hades being one of the Big Three, Nico seems like a pretty safe bet.
- Who says it has to be Nico, though? We don't know if the Roman aspects of the gods are bound by the same oaths as their Greek forms, so there could be a child of Pluto running around at the Roman camp who could be one of the seven.
- If the Romans received the current Great Prophecy, they probably received the last one, too. So gods are probably bound to their oaths no matter what their form. They're still the same gods, after all.
- But they aren't, thats the point of this series. When we first learn about the aspects from Clovis, he states that they have different personalities and as a result different Gods. There is a chance that they did not recieve the previous Great Prophecy and even if they did, they broke the rules anyway in their Greek Forms and in their Roman forms so there is still a chance that there is a child of Pluto running around who is more experienced then Nico is.
- What about a son or Daughter of Bacchus? Granted, one of the twins died in Olympians, but the other one has mostly been a Living Prop type. It's implied that the reason Bacchus/Dionysus doesn't really get around is that he loves Ariadne and keeps to her a lot.
- Clovis is one of the seven. Remember at the campfire - "Some are here, some are not..." and Clovis says "I'm here!" We need a few more minor gods around - I hope there's also a Roman child of Discordia...
- There's a better chance of Clovis being one of the seven, or at least, having a pretty significant role in the story, than you might think, because his father, Hypnos, is one of the only gods NOT descended from Gaia.
- Riordan has confirmed that the seven demigods are children of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, and Aphrodite.
- because no one will ever love Demeter. her kids never even get to give gifts/ useful hints to the questing campers. sucks for them, even though some of the myths have me convinced that Demeter could beat any of her siblings if she really wanted to. not that she would, but still.
- Most of the above jossed. It's sort of confirmed that Percy, Jason, Hazel, Frank, Piper and Leo will be six of the seven. Annabeth being the seventh is the most likely.
- Jossed. There's not oracle at Camp Jupiter.
- Not really, it just depends on your definition of the word Oracle.
- Oracle in PJ series is defined as someone possessed by an Oracle spirit, and the only Oracle spirit seems to be the Spirit of Delphi. The onyl others who can see the future are A) an Augur, and B) A seer.
- Alternatively, Jason is the "Annabeth" of the Roman Camp, and Reyna is the "Luke". Piper will be his "Percy".
- Jossed. Reyna is harsh but good. Octavian has a lot in common with Luke and Drew though.
- And adding onto that, the Son of Neptune will be a villain, just to switch things up a bit.
- According to the Other Wiki, Riordan has confirmed that the son of Neptune is Percy and not a Roman camper. Doesn't rule out Percy having siblings over there, though.
- As of Son of Neptune, he's still an only child on his mother's side.
- But Frank is a *descendant* of Poseidon/Neptune. And "son" can sometimes simply mean "descendant". So it could be Percy, or Frank.
- or the horse.
- Or, for the villain factor, Phineas. Word of God states that it's supposed to be an open-ended title, so it could just be ALL of them.
- According to the Other Wiki, Riordan has confirmed that the son of Neptune is Percy and not a Roman camper. Doesn't rule out Percy having siblings over there, though.
- That links in with the "Annabeth dies" theory above. It would go like this:
- Annabeth dies.
- Percy goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge
- Annabeth is saved, the guy who killed her regrets it for the rest of his life.
- Annabeth dies, they go to the doors of death to save her, and they fail. The legends only ever ended in a happily ever after for the original Perseus, and he was a son of Zeus not Poseidon. If Riordan wants the series to really mirror the original myths, Percy will have to fail, and fail miserably. His fatal weakness will thus not only get Annabeth killed (a la Heracles and Megara) but also himself. Only Jason will survive out of the twelve.
- The series can't really mirror the original myths, because the standards of a story in ancient times were different than those of today. In stories today, the hero is allowed to die or worse, but aside from a few genres they can't fail.
- Half jossed - current previews have him give up his Achilles heel, though he probably keeps his fatal flaw.
- It's strongly implied that unless Frank acts as a counterweight Percy's fatal flaw will cause a lot of trouble...
- Idea: In order to stop Gaea, one of the Seven must die, but Percy will refuse to sacrifice a friend; someone else (perhaps Frank) will need to force his hand.
- Strongly implied at the end of MoA when Leo realizes that if the Doors of Death have to be closed from both sides, it means one of them has to be on the other side to close it.
- Now half jossed. Percy's Fatal Flaw revealed itself—he refused to sacrifice Annabeth at the end of Mark of Athena and elected to fall into Tartarus with her instead. Whether or not that was a bad thing is yet unknown.
- But given Gaea needed two demigods blood to rise again and by falling into Tartarus with Annabeth Percy provided that, its a good guess that it's a bad thing.
- I got really excited about this theory...but then I remembered that Piper doesn't have a brother. So much for Piper meeting her (dead) older brother as a
Hollowshade of Hades.- Emphasis was on "alternate-version". Or maybe she does secretly actually have a brother. Hey, if Thalia gets to have one...
- Jossed.
- Er... that's incestuous, even for this series.
- If Reyna was his sister, Jason remembering her wouldn't lead to him questioning how he felt about Piper.
- Jossed. Reyna is a daughter of Bellona.
- Jossed; there is no oracle. Octavian just slices open plushies to do auguries.
- Fridge Logic : Obama.
- According to the Other Wiki, Riordan has said that the title mostly refers to Percy, but maybe not Percy exclusively, like how "The Lost Hero" could be referring to Percy or Jason.
- Don't forget he still has the physical Achilles spot, though...
- Alternate, the transfer to the Roman camp came with a washing off of the curse of Achilles, bringing him back down to normal mortal standards.
- The first chapter on the website has confirmed that Percy remembers Annabeth as the one piece of his memory that is left
- Confirmed, kind of. Annabeth is what he remembers, similar to Jason remembering Thalia.
Deep down, Hera knows that Ares and Hephaestus are in no way fit to succeed their father should the worst happen. Jupiter's defeat might create a power struggle between Hades and Poseidon that would further split the pantheon in the face of Gaia's assault.
What's more, neither Athena, Artemis, Hermes, Dionysus or Apollo have any legitimate claim to the throne because the elder gods (Hera, Demeter, Hades, Poseidon, Hestia) would never recognize one of Zeus' bastards as rightful ruler. Hera wields more power over Olympus than any other god save her husband and she would naturally hold power over the chain of succession. Ares and Hesphestus would vote with their mama against their half-siblings and the Olympian base would be broken while Gaia scales Olympus like in God of War.
NVM didn't see below before editing (is Ares's Zeus and Hera's child.? I never heard of how he was born.) But I think Ares could defeat Zeus (I mean come on he's the god of war!!).
So how does Jason fit into this?
Because Hera was offered Jason's life and depending on how that was handled, it may be seen as kin to adoption. Jason is the rare son of Zeus spared Hera's wrath because he is "technically" her son as well. Hera is positioning her child as a legitimate heir and fail-safe against the chaos that would follow in the wake of Zeus' death. As a mortal hero, he can win the affection and loyalty of his aunts and uncles and position himself as a candidate for the throne. He and Percy stand to unite the Roman and Greek camps and thus have sway over a large number of demigods.Jupiter will be slain by Gaia and Jason will ascend, having won the favor of his family through his heroic deeds thus fulfilling the prophecy that a son of Zeus would rise above his father.
- Thank you sir. This has to happen or I will proclaim the series as "crap".
- Having thought about this for 24 hours, I have an add on to the WMG. All the gods will die, except Hera, Demeter, Persephone, Dionysus and Hestia. The Gods will be replaced by their most powerful children:
- Poseidon = Percy
- Athena = Annabeth
- Aphrodite = Piper
- Hades = Nico
- Zeus = Jason
- Ares = Clarisse
- Hephaestus = Leo
- Apollo = Unknown Apollo camper/Rachel
- Artemis = Unknown son of Artemis (Filling the series's irony and chivalry quotas)
- Hermes = Luke (People are coming back to life. Perfect time for Luke to redeem himself even more)
- Having thought about this for 24 hours, I have an add on to the WMG. All the gods will die, except Hera, Demeter, Persephone, Dionysus and Hestia. The Gods will be replaced by their most powerful children:
- There's a gaping hole in this theory, though: Athena is explicitly defined as Zeus's heir by the laws of gods in the source mythology. Hera is Zeus's queen, but this does not actually make Athena a bastard child: Zeus's first wife was actually Metis, the mother of Athena. (This is why Zeus swallowed Metis in the form of a fly which caused Athena to come out of his head: he knew that if Metis gave birth to a boy, that boy would overthrow him as all sons overthrow their dads in king-of-the-god rules, the same way Zeus overthrew Kronos and Kronos overthrew Ouranos. Of course, surprise! Metis gave birth to a girl who turned out to be not at all interested in killing her dad.) In many of the poetry and materials regarding Greek mythology, Athena is Zeus's favorite child and heir.
- You really think Hera is happy about that? You don't think that, whatever legitimate claim Athena may have to the throne, that Hera would rather one of her own children succeed? Hera would have very good reason to ensure that Jason succeed Zeus. Athena rising to the throne would mean that Hera is effectively deposed as queen of the Gods. As daughter or Metis, Hera would no longer have any place on Olympus other than goddess of marriage. What's more, Hera has made her business tormenting gods (Apollo, Artemis, Hercules) and has only gotten away with it because of her position as Zeus' wife. Now, lacking Zeus protection, might Hercules come for his revenge against his stepmother? Would Artemis and Apollo not seize this opportunity to get back at the woman who tormented their mother while she was suffering in labor pains? Would Athena be inclined to save Hera who now provides no use to the pantheon other than as a marriage goddess? Are there any lengths Hera would not go to in order to ensure that she maintains power over Olympus? Two ways this could be engineered is
- 1) Athena is offed either in war with Gaia or by Hera who does away with her in Shakespearean fashion (See Macbeth or King Lear for examples of legitimate heirs being deposed). True, Jason may not be happy about this but with Athena and Zeus out of the way, he has to go along with it to prevent chaos and dissent amongst the gods. Hera buys protection by installing Jason on the throne.
- 2) Jason turns out to be the more fit king. True, Athena is wisest of the gods but Jason could be stronger or more cunning(see Hercules for demigods becoming stronger than gods, especially sons of Zeus). To take a page from Norse Mythology, look at Odin. He was strong, but not stronger than his son Thor who could cleave mountains with Mjolnir. He was wise and a powerful sorcerer, but sources hold that Frigg, his wife, was better endowed (hurr hurr) in sorcery and divination. Odin was cunning but nowhere near as crafty as Loki, the Magnificent Bastard. What made Odin an effective king was his balance of strength, wisdom and cunning that the others lacked. Frigg might have been wiser, but she lacked the power to fight or the cunning to deceive. Thor would have been able to fight but would lack the wisdom to lead or the cunning to survive political situations. Loki would have been the master politician but a poor warrior and ruler. Now, going back to the Greeks, Jason might lack Athena's wisdom and good judgment, but he may yet gain adequate sense, good political savvy to make allies and power to defeat Gaia. If (when, let's be honest) Jason slays or imprisons Gaia, he could name his own tune and Athena might recognize him as a better ruler. Being the wisest goddess, she might logically decide that Jason is best suited for the throne and abdicate her claim to make way for a better ruler, one who possesses her beloved father's power, his adopted mother's cunning and wisdom gleaned from her tutelage. She might stay on as chief adviser to compensate for lack of his perfect wisdom. Athena (in Riordan's verse anyway) comes off as least petty of the gods and wants the best for Olympus.
- So, if I understand this right, Hera's plan to not get mobbed by angry gods... is to raise to the throne a guy who she has given every reason to hate her and whose friends she has given every reason to hate her. And we now see why Athena got Wisdom.
- Even Hera can't break the laws of Heaven. She's only queen of the gods NOW because Metis is kinda stuck in Zeus's literal head. There's absolutely no way Jason could legitimately take any ruling over the gods; if he did so illegitimately, he'd be VERY quickly offed. This is why the only legitimate threats to Zeus, both in Riordan-verse and source mythology, were people who had claims to the universe before Zeus (Gaea/her giant sons, Kronos, Ouranous, etc.). And if Athena deems him to be a better ruler...he'd be a literal God-Mode Sue.
- True, but Jason is already the long lost brother of an established character, possessed a Morph Weapon, is the son of the Big Three through a loophole in logistics, can control the weather, has two girls as potential love interests, suffered from Laser-Guided Amnesia that apparently made him forget that he was a badass praetor that wasted a Titan and belongs to Second Camp Half Blood...sound familiar? And this is still book one, so if Jason is going to get more powerful as the story progresses, there's not many ways he can go but up.
- Herakles/Hercules was indeed able to stand up to full gods, but that was because Zeus sired him specifically to be a god in mortal form, so that he could become a god when he died and bring counsel from the human perspective to Olympus, in addition to making the mortal world safe by killing....well all the monsters, getting around the "gods can't interfere" loophole. Herc was never on the same tier of power as Zeus, while Athena is more powerful than Zeus—she's just completely loyal to her father as well.
- You really think Hera is happy about that? You don't think that, whatever legitimate claim Athena may have to the throne, that Hera would rather one of her own children succeed? Hera would have very good reason to ensure that Jason succeed Zeus. Athena rising to the throne would mean that Hera is effectively deposed as queen of the Gods. As daughter or Metis, Hera would no longer have any place on Olympus other than goddess of marriage. What's more, Hera has made her business tormenting gods (Apollo, Artemis, Hercules) and has only gotten away with it because of her position as Zeus' wife. Now, lacking Zeus protection, might Hercules come for his revenge against his stepmother? Would Artemis and Apollo not seize this opportunity to get back at the woman who tormented their mother while she was suffering in labor pains? Would Athena be inclined to save Hera who now provides no use to the pantheon other than as a marriage goddess? Are there any lengths Hera would not go to in order to ensure that she maintains power over Olympus? Two ways this could be engineered is
- I'm sorry, but if the gods resent Percy for calling them out on and forcing them to change some of their bad parenting habits, after saving their asses from Kronos in a conflict that was caused DIRECTLY because of some of said bad parenting, there's no way the other gods will accept Jason, a mortal, as their new king, hero above all heroes demigod son of Jupiter or not.
- In my mind this works out perfectly considering that the South and the Romans both had slavery.
- Greeks also had slavery.
- As did the Union.
- Greeks also had slavery.
- I think the Greeks were the Union, but only because the Greek camp is in New York.
- Or it's the other way round, mirroring the pattern of before where the Romans conquer the Greeks.
- The civil war was before the fall of the British Empire: Olympus was in London at the time.
- I agree with this theory.
- Jossed, Jason confirms that there were Greeks and Romans on both sides in the war. Which properly also means that they were on both sides in each civil war.
- However, that same scene implies that the Greeks were the bulk of the Union and the Romans were the bulk of the Confederacy. So yeah, the Union was mostly Greeks and the Confederacy was mostly Romans. Not to mention, the war was begun by Abraham Lincoln being elected President, which caused the southern states to begin seceding due to fears of losing their slaves, which gave Lincoln a reason to start the war. The book was careful to point out that every civil war in history since the Roman Empire was Greeks vs. Romans, and points out that every single one of them was a result of children of Athena stirring up the old hatreds. Now, given that most important historical figures were actually demigods, and considering that historically, Lincoln was such an effective military leader that it's been said the South would have won if he'd been leading them, the obvious answer is that Lincoln was a son of Athena—and even if he wasn't, the Union did start the war, which means the Union was at least controlled by Athena's brood.
- Huh? Lincoln wasn't a military leader, he was one of the greatest speakers of his generation and possible in US history, but his only military experiance was joining the army for the blackhawk war then it ended before he left camp. Also the Confedrates had Robert E Lee, the best genral in the war, and they lost because they lack numbers, suppiles, or good poltical leadership.
- Perhaps John Brown was the son of Athena?
- Jossed, Jason confirms that there were Greeks and Romans on both sides in the war. Which properly also means that they were on both sides in each civil war.
- I'd put money on Luke making an appearance, at least. And Beckendorf and Silena would be awesome (Dead) Big Brother / Sister Mentors to Leo and Piper, especially since Jason already got his big sister back.
- Tying this in with the whole Percy and/or Annabeth dies WMG above, I'm thinking one of them will die but makes a deal with Hades to seek out the tunnel Gaia bored into Tartarus to smuggle people out of the Underworld. He'll let them return to the living if they can destroy it behind them on their way back up. And since that's way too big a job for just one hero alone, que Luke/Beckendorf/Silena/Michael/Bianca coming with (maybe even Ethan, too?).
- I don't think Luke would appear. In TLO, he said he thought he would try for the Isles of Blest, so he would be reborn and probably would have been reborn by now. However, I'm all for some of the main characters getting stuck and having Silena, Beckendorf, Michael, and Bianca pull a Big Damn Heroes moment as an opening. Well, that's how I picture it would happen.
- Riordan has said that most if not all of the main characters from P Jat O will have a part to play in Heroes, so don't count on Luke being out the picture just yet.
- Most, not all. Bianca seems to have already moved on and been reborn.
- As of Blood of Olympus, this has been mostly Jossed. Michael Varus does return, but as a minor antagonist, stabbing Jason in the back with an Imperial Gold sword. Luke, Silena, and Beckendorf aren't even mentioned.
- Not a bad idea, but Poseidon/Neptune is the god of storms, too. Remember that hurricane Percy summoned in The Last Olympian? So it could be him, too.
- Also, what would that mean for the world? If the spirit of the West is embodied in the Olympian Gods, and their deaths would mean the unraveling of the entirety of Western civilization, then the fall of Gaia cannot mean her death because otherwise the planet is destroyed anyway. The most they'll be able to do is put her back to sleep.
- The books have said many times that the gods and other immortals can't be killed, only pushed down or pushed back. "Fall" just probably means "fall back to sleep".
- The "fire" part could refer to Frank. He is supposed to die watching his life stick burn in his hand.
- Piper brings up this very possibility
- Confirmed
- There was also the one-sided ship-tease between Thalia and Leo. Obviously, pretty much nothing came of that apart from Leo's musings, but I just got that feeling. All of Thalia's aging stops have pretty much put them at the same age, and it's as good a theory as any, for now. Plus, best friend's sister has been a time-honored romantic archetype in fiction for just about ever.
- As a general rule one does not break oaths without consequence in Greek mythology, especially not to gods.
- Jossed, she is still a hunter at the end of the series.
- This is bloody brilliant.
- Jossed, Bacchus is also banned from drinking alcohol and like his Greek half, only drinks soft drinks. He also is a lot calmer then Dionysus.
- While Mr. D likes coke, Bacchus prefers pepsi.
- Jason
- Piper
- Percy
- Leo
- Artemis Fowl (Not a Half-Blood)
- Random Dent (Not a Half-Blood)
- Valkyrie Cain/Stephanie Edgely (Not a Half-Blood)
- Carter Kane (Not a Half-Blood)
- Sadie Kane (Not a Half-Blood)
- A Son of Artemis
- Annabeth
- Reyna
- Rachel (Not a Half-Blood)
- Riordan has confirmed that the seven demigods are children of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, and Aphrodite.
- Jossed.
- Besides, Eris is in Tartarus with her mother Nyx, so the idea of her birthing half-human children is a little bit wild.
- Heck I bet you anything that children of Venus are able to speak all romance languages, too.
- Except that Piper is a daughter of the Greek Aphrodite, not the Roman Venus.
- That might not be such an Incredibly Lame Pun as much as Fridge Brilliance. We've already been told enough times that three is a strong number to the Greeks, so why not? The name isn't exactly subtle, and he's hardly shied away from such obviousness before Rachel Elizabeth Dare indeed.
- I'd actually like to add to this theory, if I may. My addition to this theory is that very shortly after Thalia ran away (approximately two years after Jason disappeared, making her around eleven), Miss Grace attracted the attention of another god (maybe Thor, since Rick Riordan has already announced that he has a Norse series in the works), and conceived a child. This would make him/her about twelve years younger than Thalia, who is chronologically around twenty-three, and five years younger than Jason, who is sixteen. Neither of them know that their mother had another child because she died and their younger sibling went into foster care. And if Norse demigods start showing their powers at a similar age as Greek and Roman demigods (somewhere around eleven or twelve), and if the Norse mythology series picks up at a similar point in time as Heroes of Olympus, that would make the youngest Grace the prime age to be coming into his/her demigod heritage, and possibly be a main character in that series.
- Since Thalia and Jason's mother's last name is Grace, wouldn't SHE be the third one?
- Although, Percy having to put so much effort into learning Latin might go a long way towards showing the Roman demigods that he's genuinely willing to adapt to their culture and their acceptance of him.
- Percy at least knows the bare basics of Latin. Recall, Chiron worked at Yancy Academy as Mr. Brunner, the Latin teacher. While Percy sucked at Latin, he might know just enough to be able to pick it up in a life or death situation. Which also begs the question of why Chiron would teach Latin when he was looking for Grecian demigods, as opposed to some sort of mythology class or history class (which are offered in some form or another in most schools), unlesss he knew that sometime in the near future, the Roman and Grecian Camps would have to meet. He obviously thought there was something special about Percy, because he doesn't seem to just drop everything and take up a teaching position every time there's a new demigod in town. Maybe Chiron has known all along that this would happen.
- Latin looks better on a college transcript than Greek. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if Lupa and Chiron knew Latin and Greek to talk to each other.
- Although one would have to wonder how much of his Latin lessons he remembered after almost a decade without them (as far as I know, he didn't take them after book one). Keep in mind that though Latin was the official language of Rome, Greek was still the lingua franca.
- Or he's been going through the exact same thing that Jason went through at Camp Half-Blood, his memories coming back in bits and pieces, his uncanny ability to speak Ancient Greek, the fact that he might still be under the Curse of Achilles? It wouldn't be hard to spot that he had a lot of things different about him.
- Latin looks better on a college transcript than Greek. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if Lupa and Chiron knew Latin and Greek to talk to each other.
- Just an addendum: In the first book, when Percy is fighting Mrs. Dodds, he shouts (inexplicably in Latin, prolly powered by the same thing that makes him speak Ancient Greek) "Eat my pants!". I assumed it was Continuity Drift given that Riordan prolly didn't conceive this series by this time. But you never know...
- Or maybe we'll get to see those events from his side - history's written by the winners; Gaea may have been the one to engage in Disproportionate Retribution towards him and not him towards their children.
- Why would the god of sleep want to wake the worst enemy of the gods? He wouldn't really get benefits from a chaotic world ruled by Gaea.
- Is he technically dead anyway? With the gates of death opened he does seem like an obvious choice to bring back, given his mythical history.
- He didn't, he and Reyna were rather close and probably headed in that direction but Hera/Juno got in the way before something could actually begin
- I doubt it. I'm betting that Percy will lead the Greeks and Jason will lead the Romans.
- I'm actually going the other way. Hera isn't going to return their memories until the mission is over so they will know their friends at the other camp better then they do their original friends. This is shown by the end of the book when Hera tells Jason "You will be a leader at this camp".
- Jossed; by the end of the second book Percy has all his memories back and it's been long enough that it's safe to guess Jason has regained all of his memories as well.
- Kinda not Jossed. Both of them throughout Mark of Athena assume that they are the main one in charge of the quest, such as both trying to sit at the head of the table for the first meeting. However, they don't fight over it and instead give leadership to Annabeth.
- Nope, still Jossed. They have the one moment of conflict and a bit of rivalry that is literally not possible to avoid when you get the two most powerful heroes on the planet in the same room, but ultimately form a bromance.
- Gaea was portrayed as a more positive light because well Oranous locked away their children as Disproportionate Retribution for being "ugly". Instead; it might be that the children who were locked away in Tartarus were grounded for doing something wrong but Gaea is the one who engaged in Disproportionate Retribution and talked Kronos into becoming Lord of the Universe.
- Heck for all we know; history's written by the winners - we saw it from Gaea's perspective because she spoke Kronos into killing (and slicing up) Ouranos - Ouranos, if he were still alive, would probably tell a different story.
- Roman aspects in themselves are all Alternate Character Interpretation because they were assumed to be more disciplined.
- When Hera acted nicely towards Percy and Annabeth, she meant it and only sent the cows after Annabeth because she acted mean to her. Hera probably realized sometime that she wouldn't really be setting a good example if she threw her children off of Olympus because they looked ugly or taking her frustration towards Zeus off onto his own children, but having a nasty reputation for that probably doesn't make it easy - I mean it's kind of hard to change your personality and attitude if people keep bringing up the past. Heck, Hera probably mentioned that she didn't have any heroes of her own and Zeus probably said, "Hey, I got one I conceived when I was Jupiter, why don't you try your hand at it?". Or he did so after Hera made him sleep on the couch for a couple decades. :P
- Apollo is a Spoony Bard. His greek aspect is like Demyx or Johnny. His roman aspect is more like Ricardo.
- Apollo doesn't have a different Roman counterpart. He is Apollo with the Greeks and in mythology, Apollo with the Romans.
- Fair enough observation, although there is the little matter of Gaia tricking Leo into accidentally killing his mother that kinda ruins this theory as applied to her.
- Envious of Annabeth's devotion to Percy.
- Envious of how hard Thalia is looking for Percy, who she's not even related to.
- Outright jealous of a smile Piper gave to Lit, Midas' son.
- Jossed, he has the same fatal flaw as Percy, personal loyalty
- It isn't confirmed yet.
- Bianca and Nico are said to have the same flaw (grudge-holding) so maybe Jason has the same problem as Thalia - being weak when offered power. Granted, Hazel doesn't seem to have the same Fatal Flaw, but still.
- Given what Hera said about Jason finding his own way back and needed the time between to deepen his bonds with Piper and Leo, I don't think the two camps/quests are going to meet up that quickly. There might be some kind of cameo, i.e. Festus or the helicopter flying over, but it won't be a face-to-face thing. If Percy goes on a quest, he'll have Roman demigods with him who would recognize Jason immediately.
- The first chapter has been released on the website and has shown that Percy has been traveling for some time trying to find the Roman Camp with no memory. Thus the book starts after the Lost Hero ended. Plus, Rick has stated that there will be five books in this series so there is no chance of Jason, Piper and Leo showing up at the end.
- It doesn't have to begin after The Lost Hero ends. And there may well be a chance that they show up, even though they likely won't.
- Jossed, whilst the quests weren't running parallel to each other, the Argo II does appear at the end of the book.
- Except Percy and Jason were taken months apart. It is mentioned that Jason was taken at some point in October, while Percy was taken at some point in late December. While there is a little bit of overlap there, Jason appeared on that day because that was when Annabeth and Butch were coming to pick up Leo and Piper. Also, after getting his memory back, Percy still doesn't know who Jason was besides seeing someone he thinks is Jason in his dream of Camp Half-Blood working on the Argo II.
Eventually Percy will die, the camps will be destroyed and the demigods scattered around the globe or killed horribly, Chiron will have lost his purpose as a teacher and fade away, Piper will die as a result of Aphrodite's meddling with Reyna and Jason, Leo will die so we have the symmetry of a son of Hephaestus dying heroically at the beginning of the final book, Grover will fade into nature, and the best that Jason will be able to do is send Gaia back to sleep before he curses at the heavens that his parents were so cruel, all while the gods utterly ignore everything that's going on, or possible even begin their own war in heaven meaning that Western civilization will be sundered for years.
Because otherwise, it just wouldn't be true to the spirit of the original myths.
- True, but considering Percy is basically the literary version of Riordan's son, this is extremely unlikely.
- Also keep in mind that the Greek Gods have become Americanized. American demigods include people like George Washington and Harriet Tubman. Greeks liked tragedy and despair. Americans prefer a nice happy ending.
- Also remember that the main character is also named Perseus, which is likely not insignificant. It may just be hinting that he'll also get a happy ending.
- All her memories at Wilderness Camp of getting together with Jason were actually about Leo. Hera made both of them forget it all.
- The romance Rick set up between Piper and Jason is a Take That! at Love at First Sight and liking people based on appearances and fantasy. Tons of fans were disgusted that after building realistic, friend based relationships (Annabeth/Percy, Silena/Beckendorf ect.) Rick would establish a shallow pairing like Jasper. Leo/Piper is actually Fridge Brilliance, adding to how badly Hera screwed up their minds, and a welcome twist to the expected Hazel/Leo/Frank triangle which won't occur at all. Hell it might even give Jason some character development, give Reyna a happy ending and give Leo respect beyond 'the sidekick'.
- Jossed. As of The Mark of Athena, Piper and Jason are still together, and Piper and Leo seem to have only a Like Brother and Sister relationship.
- Plus Leo ends up in love with Calypso and not interested in anyone else.
- Percy might be able to do something like that, too. Remember how Kronos called him "too changeable"?
- That might have just been referring to Poseidon's changeable nature.
- Or Percy is badass enough to be Greco-roman instead of either.
- This is simply a reference to Percy being a son of the Sea God. Poseidon in mythology was considered the least predictable god due to being the god of seas, storms, and earthquakes. Basically, the Greeks blamed anything they couldn't accurately predict on Poseidon.
- That might have just been referring to Poseidon's changeable nature.
- or worse Ouranos is still kicking it and possessed him to some degree. Or it could have been a side effect of being brought back inches from death's door(hehe) the way he was.
- The fact that he was revived at all suggests that. Perhaps he, like Percy, was offered the choice of becoming a minor god and accepted.
- Mark of Athena reveals that he was possessed, but by ghosts who wanted to live again.
- Given Hera's complete lack of surprise at Jason's glowing golden eyes, it's likely that was just the first symptom of seeing the true form of a god: eyes filled with the essence of the true god, as Hera let out a golden flash when she transformed. The eyes of Mark of Athena have no bearing, since Leo and Percy got them too.
- Mark of Athena reveals that he was possessed, but by ghosts who wanted to live again.
- I actually like this. What if the Duat is actually Gaia's dream? She began to stir and awaken when the Kanes started messing around with magic that had been forbidden for thousands of years, and when Order and Chaos were forced to retreat from the mortal world for a time it was like snapping Gaia out of her dream, which is when she starts taking active steps to wipe out the mortal world?
- There is just one flaw to your idea. Latin is still taught in a number of schools. So Percy knowing Latin is more of a result of learning it (from Chiron no less) then as a result of "in the blood", so to speak.
- Remember though, Greek demigods brains are wired for Greek, and they have problems with ALL other languages-this would include Latin as its not related to Greek in any meaningful way. It's been a while since I read Lightning Theif, but as I recall Percy was one of the better kids in the class with Latin, or at least did signifigently better then with English.
- Also note that in said passage, Percy professed that he had no idea how the Latin came out of his mouth (in a similar vein to his Greek).
- I figured that Percy probably tried his hardest to memorise that phrase because he was twelve; 'Eat my pants!' would be the sort of comeback twelve-year-old boys would like, especially in a foreign language.
- I noticed this while I was reading the books- Percy is more often then not refered to as the Son of the 'Sea God', very rarely as the Son of 'Poseidon', where as all the other demi-gods are called the Son/ Daughter of Zeus Hades etc... maybe he really did get some of the roman aspect.
- Mark of Athena shows that there are numerous Gods who don't have a Roman half, or who more easily switch between the two. And given that there isn't a major Apollo demi God character, this one is most likely Jossed at this point.
- But unlike Jason, she feels like she belongs in Camp Half-Blood and knows the gods as Greek. Her difference is probably just a way to break the Aphrodite cabin stereotype. Her time in the Wilderness School would also explain some of her battle skills.
- It's also been established that Aphrodite is exactly the same when she's Venus, because "love is love" in both mythologies.
- Percy (Poseidon/Neptune)
- Piper (Aphrodite/Venus)
- Leo (Hephaestus/ Vulcan)
- Jason (Jupiter/Zeus)
- Unknown (Apollo)
- Unknown (Mars/Ares)
- Luke will come back from the dead.
- Riordan has confirmed that the seven demigods are children of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, and Aphrodite.
- Hazel, daughter of Pluto is one of the seven
- Jossed, unless you count teaming up with Frank & Hazel to squish the cocky half of the camp during the war game.
- Not exactly... it's an entire community with the legions as guards against monsters, complete with descendants of demigods.
- Jossed. Percy uses Riptide throughout the book.
- And it's implied that Celestial bronze is the superior metal, being the personal crafting material of Hephaestus/Vulcan, while Imperial gold is just enchanted gold. Then again, normal bronze makes for a better weapon than normal gold, anyway.
- Jossed. Percy uses Riptide throughout the book.
- Jossed. Everyone wears purple. Interestingly, both orange and purple ARE half-red though.
- Means nothing, but Red is the egyptian colour for chaos.
- Jossed. Everyone wears purple. Interestingly, both orange and purple ARE half-red though.
- Okay, this now needs to happen. And with The Serpent's Shadow coming out months before The Mark of Athena...
- Jossed, Nico doesn't appear at the the end of the final Kane book
- Jossed, Percy regains his memories throughout Son of Neptune.
- Out of curiosity, why would that have mattered?
- Jossed, Piper does it with her charmspeak.
- The term quarter-sibling denotes that one child was born to the Greek form of a god while the other was born to the Roman form of the same god.
- Technically, Thalia and Jason are three-quarters-siblings. Same mom, same dad, just in his two different aspects.
- The term quarter-sibling denotes that one child was born to the Greek form of a god while the other was born to the Roman form of the same god.
- This will be expanded upon once Rick Riordan finishes the Kane Chronicles. And one of the other NYC boroughs will be the seat of the Norse gods though to continue the pattern.
- Uhh...Alaska is home to the Inuit natives, too, you know. I don't think the Norse ever got that far. Greenland and Iceland, yes. And even parts of New England before it was New England.
- The Greeks never made it to America and neither did the Egyptians, but they both have Gods in the country, and they were both given reasons (even though the main reason is that Rick is American so is going to set the books in his own country).
- This will be expanded upon once Rick Riordan finishes the Kane Chronicles. And one of the other NYC boroughs will be the seat of the Norse gods though to continue the pattern.
- Actually, her ability to remember everything she reads is an indicator of an eidetic memory, but otherwise, that could be the case.
- Eidetic memories are a classic stereotype of autistic savants, so it fits.
- Actually, her ability to remember everything she reads is an indicator of an eidetic memory, but otherwise, that could be the case.
- Hmm. If ADHD and/or dyslexia means you're part god, does autism mean you're part harpy?
- Not all demigods have ADHD and/or dyslexia, Frank only seems to be lactose intolerant. Maybe Ella is a special case, even for harpies. It could be why she was mistreated by the other harpies.
- All demigods have ADHD and dyslexia, it just varies from person to person. One demigod might be so dyslexic it hurts but his half-sibling can read like there's no tomorrow.
- Leo is the identical descendent of the boy Hazel probably would have married if she'd lived. You know that's going to cause some angst from Frank. Add to this the fact that Hazel herself hasn't really chosen between Sammy and Frank, and the fact that Leo falls in love with or hits on nearly every girl he sees...
- Leo has fire powers which he sometimes has trouble controlling. Frank's life depends on a stick not burning. That couldn't possibly go wrong.
- Although it's not strictly essential to the theory, it's worth noticing: Leo is the son of Hephaestus/Vulcan. Frank is the son of Ares/Mars. Both gods are the only children of Hera/Juno, who sent them on this quest in the first place. Sibling rivalry?
- Made of Win
- So history repeats itself through the children. Too bad Hazel isn't a daughter of Venus as now we can't say generation xerox.
- Really too bad. I can imagine Frank and Leo being total dorks together and stuff. note
- Confirmed there is a LOT of tension between Frank and Leo.
- YES remember when gwen said "walked through back door".... Piper's voice made Jason turn around and see the open door.
- Jossed.
- Atlas mentioning the Sky still longs to embrace the Earth in Titan's Curse
- After being told the story of Gaea in the first Heroes of Olympus book Piper looks up at the sky as though it had a face.
- When Jason was brought back his eyes were golden for a split second, while that could be simply from being revived the way he was it could also be that he was possessed by Ouranos(who could still be weak from being sliced up and thus hasn't taken control)
- The Second Great Prophecy. Just second great prophecy.
- Jossed, Gaia is the true villain.
- Jossed
- Snarky Ellen Page as Juno
- Panicky bookish nerd girl like Hermione Granger
- Adventurous and plucky like Coraline
- Or entirely different from how her friends see her.
- Partly Jossed. She admits to putting on a brave face to mask her feelings, but is otherwise the same, old Annabeth we saw from other POV's.
- I think your giving Zeus far too much credit. Hera stated Zeus has a long history of putting his pride before everything. Throughout the books Zeus has repeatedly made the wrong decision on major issues. There is no "rule" that states Jupiter has to keep them apart or to indicate things have to remain that way. There was no rule that stated Jupiter had to seal Olympus. It was just Jupiter's sheer stupidity and pride.
- Maybe not. Just look at Herakles/Hercules. He was sired by Zeus with the granddaughter of one of his other demigod children, specifically to father the greatest demigod the world would ever know. Herc was a slave to his emotions, and during his time on earth, was a hero, a villain, and everything in between. One of his punishments even had him spend a year living and working as a woman, learning patience. And a lot of his problems came from a vengeful Hera. All of this was for the sole purpose of having him ascend to godhood upon his death, to provide the Olympians with a counselor who could give them insight into the way mortals thought and how they felt about the way the gods treated them. Hercules was also sired specifically to fight in the Gigantomachy, which did not have the luxury of Roman demigods aiding them yet. In addition, Hercules killed pretty much all the worst monsters in the world, making the world safe for mortals, a generation before Zeus orchestrated the Trojan War to thin out the demigod children who were becoming too numerous. Granted, Riordan's portrayal of Hercules has thrown out the true intent of his life, but Zeus was a Chessmaster when he wanted to be.
- Again, that is properly giving Zeus too much credit. He generally thought with a different head. Whenever the idea of Hercules being sired specifically for something comes up, it tends to be Athena who came up with the plan and urged her father to do it.
- However, he did orchestrate the Trojan War, this is certain. And Athena didn't have a hand in him doing it, since she was one of the ones fighting over the Apple of Discord.
- Zeus orchestrated the Trojan War just to cull down the mortal population, which isn't really that much of a credit, since beforehand all the kings have sworn to fight for the protection of Helen, all he needed to do was to take her somewhere else.
Nico probably doesn't know about this—but maybe he does. Or maybe he suspects the truth. Which would explain his awkwardness around her, almost calling her "Bianca", etc.
Just to add interest to this theory, Hazel is black, and the name "Hazel" implies a dark color, while the name "Bianca" means "white".
- Or, you know, he could be almost calling her Bianca because he still misses his big sister. Keep in mind, Nico is still just a thirteen kid. In some part of his mind, he thinks that bringing Hazel back will be like having Bianca back, but the reasonable part of his mind knows that she's not Bianca. Not that that keeps him from almost saying it. I think that a lot of people forget how young Nico is, and how confusing it must be for him to go into the Underwold, looking for his big sister, who he's now older than, realizing that she's chosen to be reborn, and finding another child of Hades/Pluto around Bianca's age.
- That's the way it appears on the surface, but something else could be going on that we're not aware of. Remember, Nico still hasn't told Percy and Hazel everything. He has a lot of explaining to do. - OP
- Jossed, Hazel, Bianca and Nico all lived at the same time in World War 2, she can't be Bianca's reincarnation
- Or maybe her dad just knew that drawing was one of the few things that made her happy. Demigods are allowed to have non-supernatural hobbies once in a while.
It is NOT stated for how long this unity will last, or that someone has to die in order to fulfill Percy's part of the prophesy.
My theory is that after the last gigantic battle uniting both of the camps, the Gods will state that they themselves cannot be 2 people at once for physical reasons (it's just impossible to do without erupting into pure energy) and emotional ones (suddenly their children are faced with the fact that their parents aren't all of what they said they were, or how they remember them.) In order for everything to return to the status quo, Percy must make the sacrifice to forget Camp Jupiter. Since he is now the main link between both worlds, making him forget Jupiter would cause everyone else to forget what happened to them too. Percy will have a very hard time with this, because odds are that campers from rivaling camps will have formed relationships with one another (both friendship wise and romantically), and the fact that Jupiter has an entire world built on keep Demigods and their families safe for life, something that his camp could desperately use. Seeing how this could hurt his friends, and how Percy himself has already built very strong bonds with campers at Jupiter, this will be an ultimate sacrifice for him.
- Percy is the main link? What about Jason, he is just as powerful as Percy is and has spent time in both camps as well. The ultimate sacrifice is going to properly be letting Frank die. Think about the conversation that Mars and Frank have towards the end of the book. That Frank is part of the seven because he can make the decisions that Percy cannot, which is to to let someone die for the good of the mission. Percy's main flaw is that he wishes to save everybody so his ultimate sacrifice would be around that. And considering that Franks main plot point is that he carries around a stick that as soon as it burns away, he dies, we can safely assume that Frank is going to die at some point in the series and that it will be doing something really heroic.
- To counter that, though I think you make a good point, think of it in these terms. 1) This entire series, as well as it's predecessors, is aimed primarily at kids slightly younger than the original Harry Potter demographic. 2) The books are published by Disney Press. 3) Percy being the head hauncho and big damn hero is almost a tradition. Him being a bigger link than Jason wouldn't be unusual. Percy has already made it pretty clear at Jupiter that he's a big deal, with already getting a high rank and permanent status, while Jason returned to praise and congratulations. Killing Frank off for good, a main character with some pretty epic powers and a romantic link, seems very unplausible considering who's printing and the demographic. If they really wanted to go THAT route, they'll probably have it be someone who wasn't such a big deal in this series, like Grover or Tyson.
- Considering how important Grover was in the last series, I highly doubt that Rick would kill him off at this point. He'd be a lot more likely to kill Frank, considering how much trouble the story takes to set Frank up as a person destined to live a short but heroic life.
- There was plenty of death in the previous series. To quote above, there was a character, Charles Beckendorf, that had pretty epic powers, he was the head of Hephaestus cabin and was the only one in the previous book who could control Festus (then just a dragon) and was the only character in the original series to have a romantic link. The only difference is that Charles wasn't a main character, but he still appeared in pretty much every series in the original series and he was liked by everyone at Camp. Plus there were plently of other deaths during The Last Olympian. And on a side note, Grover can't be killed remember because the empathy link would kill Percy as well (unless that is the plan of Rick)
- To put it into perspective, there is difference in killing off Fred Weasley and killing of Ron. Would Rick really go that route?
- For added angst, Frank will encourage her to stay alive.
- Somehow, Franks life stick will not be able to catch fire by itself and Leo will be required to light it for him.
- Alternatively, they both die, mirroring Silena and Beckendorf in The Last Olympian. Hazel will probably die first, maybe in a Heroic Sacrifice to delay Gaea's plans; she should already be dead anyway, either by Gaea or Porphyrion's hand in the last or second-to-last book. Probably Gaea, by turning Hazel's powers against her like she did with Leo. For added cruelty, and as another callback, this will happen just after they establish themselves as a couple. When Frank is about to destroy Hazel's killer using the power of his life stick, said killer will beg for mercy... at which point, Frank reminds them of Hazel's death, igniting his stick and killing himself and taking out Hazel's killer. Hazel and Frank are reunited in death, and end up in Elysium together.
- Jossed, Frank and Hazel are both alive at the end of the series.
- Annabeth is the sole narrator/focus character of the book and something happens that make hers in/famous in Rome/New Rome
- Annabeth's part of the book involves her travelling alone from the others and Athena will be more deeply involved than she ever had before.
- or some combination of the previous two
- Jossed. Word of God claims that there are in fact 4 narrators in The Mark of Athena. This troper's bet is that it will be Annabeth (obviously, since the first chapter has been released), Jason, Leo, and Piper.
- Jossed as well. The narrators for The Mark of Athena were the four Greek demigods. The Romans will likely get their turn in The House of Hades alongside Nico.
- Jossed. Word of God claims that there are in fact 4 narrators in The Mark of Athena. This troper's bet is that it will be Annabeth (obviously, since the first chapter has been released), Jason, Leo, and Piper.
- Jossed
- That would be kinda cheap. If Rick did that, I can imagine a lot of fans (including this troper) being really annoyed that effectively none of the series happened. Plus, the Roman Camp has already proven that they really only accept someone if they have proved themselves in battle.
- Also, tragedy and sacrifice is a theme in mythology. It seems unlikely that someone would throw that out in favor of a Reset Button.
- That would be kinda cheap. If Rick did that, I can imagine a lot of fans (including this troper) being really annoyed that effectively none of the series happened. Plus, the Roman Camp has already proven that they really only accept someone if they have proved themselves in battle.
- Jossed
- Jossed, he is evil.
- Bellona, the Roman Goddess of War, is her mother. It must be made of note that Bellona was one of the original Roman Gods from before Greek influences took over. In other words, when the Gigantes destroy the places of power of the Olympian Gods, Bellona will be unaffected...
- Jossed as of Mark of Athena, Reyna is stalling Camp Jupiter while the Seven try to defeat Gaea and return with the statue of Athena.
- Both.
- Ten drachma says she punches first, then kisses. We've already seen something close before after the Mt. St. Helen's incident.
- It's even better. She judo-flips him.
- Ten drachma says she punches first, then kisses. We've already seen something close before after the Mt. St. Helen's incident.
- Jossed
- The Son of Neptune demonstrated that all Romans are not that fond of ocean travel to begin with and try to avoid it. But considering that Jason has spent nearly six months with the Camp Half Blood crowd and he knows that he has to travel over the ocean for this final mission, he may have over come that.
- Interestingly, it is Percy who is getting a fear of water.
- Actually, Gaia seems to be playing on the fears of all the demigods. She tried to drown Percy in mud, giving him a fear of suffocation. Jason got knocked out repeatedly in the third book, playing on his fear of not being good enough (Percy experienced this as well). She planted Arachne as the guardian of the Athena Parthenos as a deterrent against all of Athena's children. She tried to give Leo a paralyzing fear of his own powers, and repeatedly forced Piper to watch her friends fight, while her Charmspeak proved ineffective (at first). She tricked Nico into seeking the Doors of Death, now giving the son of Hades a crippling fear of Tartarus. Gaia's good at this.
- Jossed.
- Jossed, the mark is Athena's sacred bird, the Owl.
- I think it will be Percy, Jason, and Annabeth. Rick said that there would be minimum of three, but I don't remember him stating any more than that.
- The official website states there will be four different demi god narrators.
- Revealed to be Annabeth, Leo, Piper, and Percy.
- Jossed
- Confirmed. It's Bob (the redeemed Titan Iapetus) and Damaren (the one giant who opposes Gaea).
- One problem with your theory. Riordan has confirmed that the seven demigods of this prophecy are children of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, and Aphrodite. No daughter of Bellona is part of the seven and for two children of Hades/Pluto to be part of the seven would be wrong since each member really should be a child of a different God. Whilst Rick could be lying, he doesn't usually lie about this sort of thing. So in order for your theory to be true, Rick would have to introduce a brand new character to be a child of Poseidon/Neptune and bring in one of Annabeth's siblings. Plus, when it comes to prophecy's, it is a case of there being no choice in the matter. Take the one in the original series. If the Oracle hadn't made it, then Zeus wouldn't have made the law that him and his brothers should have no more children. If Zeus hadn't made that law, then he wouldn't have tried to kill Bianca and Nico. If Zeus hadn't made that attack, then Hades wouldn't have cursed the Oracle which means Luke's mum wouldn't have gone insane which means Luke wouldn't have been there to help Percy. So when Hera talks about how she chose each member of the seven, she didn't really choose them. The choice was made as soon as the prophecy was first made. She just says she chose them to get the demigods to do what is needed.
- Jossed, Annabeth and Percy are part of the seven.
- Whilst this troper agrees about Percy's flaw and about closing the doors on both sides, I think it is going to be someone different. As stated above, the more likely candidate is Frank. This is due to two main reasons. 1.) Ares told Frank that he has to make the decisions that Percy cannot, which signifies letting someone die for the good of the mission. 2.) The main fact about Frank is that he was born too powerful and was given a piece of wood that as soon as it burns away, he dies. That alone pretty much means he is going to die during the series, and considering past examples of characters in the Percy Jackson series, he is going to die doing something really heroic. So why not die closing the Doors of Death?
- That could happen, but the New Great Prophecy that foreshadows the defeat of Gaia says the world will fall by storm or fire. It wouldn't really make sense to sacrifice Frank, who can represent BOTH storm (his descent from Poseidon) and fire (his firewood which can burn through magical objects, like the chains that weighed down Thanatos in the second book, at the cost of his life force). The logical thing to do would be to sacrifice someone who's powers aren't related to storm or fire, which leaves Piper, Hazel, or Annabeth. Hazel probably won't be sacrificed, since she is a child of the Big Three and is therefore extremely powerful anyway. Piper could be sacrificed, but if she gets trapped, it's Jason and Leo who are impacted the most, seeing as how they had more time to bond, she only had one book to connect to the readers, and it's Percy who will have to face his fatal flaw. It has to be Annabeth, who longtime readers will have connected with if they read the earlier books, or else it won't be as much of an impact on the readers or the story.
- Long story short, if Annabeth dies, Percy will die shortly before or after. The guy's made it clear that he's staying with Annabeth, regardless of what it takes to do that. So Annabeth is probably the least likely of the Seven to die.
- That could work. If that's the case, they could both get stuck in Tartarus and have to fight their way back to the Underworld so they can live. On their way back, they get captured by Gaia for the whole "spilling their blood for a ritual" thing and taken to Greece, but they are saved by the arrival of the rest of the group. However, that still leaves someone to die for their oath, since the New Great Prophecy says so. Of course, the seven could somehow do the impossible and Screw Destiny, even though no one has ever done that before and is very unlikely.
- While screwing destiny is inherently impossible in Greek mythlogy, destiny is a very vague thing at the same time. We have no idea who is keeping their oath with a final breath, why they are, what it is, or whether it's a good or bad thing. As The Last Olympian made clear, the prophecy could easily be referring to a villain or a third party.
- Whilst this troper agrees about Percy's flaw and about closing the doors on both sides, I think it is going to be someone different. As stated above, the more likely candidate is Frank. This is due to two main reasons. 1.) Ares told Frank that he has to make the decisions that Percy cannot, which signifies letting someone die for the good of the mission. 2.) The main fact about Frank is that he was born too powerful and was given a piece of wood that as soon as it burns away, he dies. That alone pretty much means he is going to die during the series, and considering past examples of characters in the Percy Jackson series, he is going to die doing something really heroic. So why not die closing the Doors of Death?
- Jossed, Annabeth is still alive and kicking at the end.
Version A: Percy declines the gift and doesn't try to save Annabeth, after everyone he knows talks him out of going back to Tartarus. It's the most depressing ending, but the most realistic one. Tartarus is where all of the evil god-like beings and monsters are. An entire team of regular demigods would be destroyed there, let alone one by herself. She is probably already dead. However, this is very unlikely, given that the series is for kids, and they wouldn't like downer endings very much.
Version B: Percy asks the gods to rescue Annabeth and either give her Elysium or bring her back to life. They do owe him for helping them survive the Titan War and the Giant War, so it can happen.
Version C: The gods reject Percy's first request to rescue Annabeth, so Percy asks for godhood so he can go into Tartarus himself to rescue her. If the gods won't do it themselves, then Percy would go for a rescue himself, and godhood could be the difference between life and death in Tartarus.
Version D: The gods reject Percy's first request and tell him he can't go to Tartarus if he is a god, so he goes on a suicide quest to save Annabeth. Percy would still try to save Annabeth, godhood or no, and would also be extremely angry at the gods for not saving someone who sacrificed their life to make sure they all survived. Getting help from his fellow demigods and regaining the curse of Achilles may be involved.
- This troper was about to add this! Might as well add in that they probably find Percy and Annabeth by the end of the book.
- This troper is placing bets on Nico being the fourth narrator for House of Hades, considering...well, the title.
- Seconded, Nico's perspective would be awesome.
- It's been confirmed that Nico won't be a narrator, so I'm betting on Annabeth for the fourth narrator - she'll give us a POV for the Tartarus duo.
- Sorta. All of the Seven get POV chapters.
- It will be Frank, because he can close it and then burn up his life stick and escape. (Albeit through death).
- Alternatively Leo, as he feels least important and doesn't want to break up the couples.
- Or Hazel, as she is a child of Pluto and already 'dead'.
- Or Nico, who made an oath to Percy to meet him at the Doors of Death.
- Jossed, but just barely. Percy was all set to do a You Shall Not Pass! and let Annabeth take the Doors of Death back to the surface, but Damasen (the anti-Ares, the one peaceful giant) comes roaring in, fighting off the monster army and distracting Tartarus so both Percy and Annabeth can escape. It's heavily implied that both Damasen and Bob (the redeemed Titan formerly known as Iapetus) die in the battle.
Rick, set that all up as a giant distraction and Red Herring. Leo will end up with Piper. Throughout MoA there was tension between Jason and Piper, foreshadowing a break up, and Piper getting together with Leo instead:
Firstly, its hinted Jason/Piper is based on their mist memories. They don't really love each other. (I.e. Piper remembers them sneaking out, but realizes real-life Jason wouldn't do it). Secondly The story of Deianira mirrors Piper's choice. Deianira went with an 'handsome hero' (Hercules/Jason) over a 'faithful friend'. (Achelous/Leo). Jason is the Son of Zeus and very glamarous but undependable. Piper will learn from past mistakes, and choose differently.
At the time, Piper is shown to care deeply for Leo: Like jumping out of the Argo to kiss him.
So, and Jason will get to know each other properly and their mist memories will fade. They realize how different they are and fall apart. Hera will reveal she manipulated their relationship for unity between Roman and Greeks. They break up. Piper and Leo's feelings will develop into a believeable romance, establishing Percy/Annabeth, Frank/Hazel, Leo/Piper and Jason. (The Seventh Wheel).
- Or all of Piper's feelings are those of a big sister towards her little brother. Girls do kiss male friends as a sign of platonic love
- Well as of Mark of Athena, there's only one other kid that's single: Nico. Clearly Nico and Leo will be the last couple. Ok, probably not.
- I'm the only one who sees Reyna/Leo signs then? Reyna stormed out after a private conversation with Aphrodite/Venus who presumably told her she wouldn't be getting either her first or second choice. I bet the goddess phrased it very badly, eg. "You will take the one no one else wants."
- I can see the signs, but can't see Leo/Reyna working realistically. She's so stern, he'd drive her crazy - and all poor Leo needs now is someone to hug him.
- Leo and Reyna do share some interesting qualities though. Both of them deal with their own internal dilemmas, Reyna masking it by maintaining a poker face so she can still lead her people, and Leo using his sense of humor to hide his own pain. And who knows? Maybe a good laugh is just what Reyna needs.
- Confirmed, sort of. Leo meets Calypso, and they end up in a Slap-Slap-Kiss situation. And he's sworn on the Styx to return and free her. Although whoever suggested Leo/Nico wasn't too off...
So, as the leaders of the two camps Percy and Jason are likely to have issues with working together and the duty vs loyalty argument. Hera predicted that Percy would be the 'glue' of the group and he will initially try to hold them all together. However at some point a decision will be made (possibly about rescuing Nico or sacrificing a fellow hero) and conflict will arise between Jason's discipline and Percy's heart. Percy will fail to be the 'glue' and everything will fall apart.
Assuming the Seven are Jason, Piper, Leo, Percy, Hazel, Frank and Annabeth, the split will go like this: Hazel and Frank will side with Percy, because despite being Roman they've gone on a quest with him and don't know Jason. (Though it will cause possible alienation from the Roman Camp). Annabeth will obviously side with Percy. Piper will side with Jason, but try to mediate between the two as 'peacemaker'. Leo will also side with Jason. (As they are best friends). This establishes a 4-3 split in Percy's favour.
However in a twist, as Leo memories return (and his fake ones of Jason fade) his loyalty to him will wane. In ‘The Lost Hero’ Leo expressed unhappiness at being Jason’s sidekick and third wheel in the ‘Jasper’ relationship. Through the quest, he will build other relationships with the Seven as Percy’s fellow Greek, the grandson of Hazel’s best friend and possibly even with Frank and Annabeth. Being treated as an equal, could lessen his loyalty to Jason. Meanwhile the situation with Reyna could cause trouble between Jason and Piper. Piper is the daughter of Aphrodite and Jason meeting an ex-almost-girlfriend who has feelings for him, could affect her loyalties. (Plus she is already close to Annabeth). She might throw her support in with Percy as well.
Jason, at losing leadership decides to either 1) Make a heroic sacrifice or 2) Go on a different quest alone. He will return later but leaves the actual group. To sum up, Jason could lose allies easily but there are few reasons why Percy would. Remember he inspires personal loyalty, and has been a hero for the previous series while Jason hasn’t been that popular with the fans. It’s possible Rick set that up deliberately to allow him to go off on a quest independently and leave Percy to lead the other heroes
- Jossed. There is tension between Percy and Jason, but the group doesn't split.
- Confirmed, Percy refused to leave Annabeth and as a result, the two fell into Tartarus
- The Staff of Serapis confirms that Annabeth and Percy survive and are still happy together.
- Not sure what you mean by the Apollo thing, Luke was a child of Hermes remember? But anyway, whilst this troper is not sure how reincarnation works for the Greek Mythology, this troper always assumed that when you were reborn, you are reborn as a baby (or at least, a young child). And whilst we are not sure how long Octavian has been at Camp Jupiter, given the amount of power he is able to wield and his position as the auger, it has must have been longer than the time Luke has been dead. And finally, if Luke was reborn, surely as a child of a Greek God, he would be reborn for Camp Half Blood and not for Camp Jupiter?
- There's not even any guarantee that he'll be reborn as a demigod.
- Now wait just a minute...This is only a few years after Percy Jackson and the Olympians? How can Luke be reincarnated and grow up that fast?
- Exactly. Octavian was alive when Jason became Praetor, which he did at least before Kronos was defeated in The Last Olympian, as he led the Roman army against Mt. Tamalpea.
- Not sure what you mean by the Apollo thing, Luke was a child of Hermes remember? But anyway, whilst this troper is not sure how reincarnation works for the Greek Mythology, this troper always assumed that when you were reborn, you are reborn as a baby (or at least, a young child). And whilst we are not sure how long Octavian has been at Camp Jupiter, given the amount of power he is able to wield and his position as the auger, it has must have been longer than the time Luke has been dead. And finally, if Luke was reborn, surely as a child of a Greek God, he would be reborn for Camp Half Blood and not for Camp Jupiter?
- But one of Athena's children had to be one of the Seven, since only Athena's children could follow her mark, which was integral to the prophecy of the third book.
- Idea from same Troper. Major wars were caused by demigods. Maybe Napoleon was also a demigod, a son of Ares or Mars sounds likely, and the Napoleonic Wars were one of these conflicts.
- Silena and Beckendorf. Not that they'll stay around - they should be dead, and they won't object when Thanatos mentions taking them back. Beckendorf might even crack a joke about having left the fire on in his forge in their house in Elysium.
- Daedalus. He'd probably help the heroes, and he could do a LOT of damage. He may even have a replacement laptop for Annabeth, if her original one didn't survive the fall.
- Perseus and Jason. The originals. In fact, Jason might even bring back the entire Argo I. Cue Leo saying "mine is better".
- Zoe Nightshade and a Badass Crew of deceased Hunters
- The guy who lead the expedition to Alaska in the 1980's (Varus or something?)
- Past heroes that haven't already been revived
- What about Alexander the Great? Sure he wasn't strictly "Greek"(he was Macedonian, but then Minos is from Crete) but let's face it, who better to lead the final battle than one of the(if not the)greatest generals in the history of the world, and he wasn't any slouch as a warrior on a personal level either. If Washington and Hitler were both demi-gods, he sure as hell is. Unless of course he's like Odysseus and is just that badass.
- Luke is going to come back to kick ass and get revenge on Gaia for hurting Annabeth.
- Varus returned, but he was on Gaia's side. The others didn't return.
- Hephaestus: That was sarcasm, wasn't it? Machines don't have sarcasm, usually.
- Jossed. The last book will be The Blood of Olympus.
- Annabeth: Are we going to make this a tradition?Percy: Gods, I hope not.Percy: I'm really starting to hate my birthday.Annabeth: Happy Birthday, Seaweed Brain.Percy: Happy Anniversary, Wise Girl.Leo/Jason/Someone else: IS NOW REALLY THE TIME???
- This is incredibly likely. Many fanfics agree with this too.
- Confirmed. The empousai from Bot L feature prominently.
- This is incredibly likely. Many fanfics agree with this too.
- Probably jossed. The Kane Chronicles crossover short stories occur after Blood of Olympus, and feature Percy and Annabeth still hanging around New York.
- Confirmed, actually. Percy and Annabeth decided that they'll spend senior year in New York and then go to college in New Rome.
- So we see that over the past couple of books Jason has chosen to switch from Roman to Greek, and Percy seems to be switching from Greek to Roman. Now, my theory is that Juno/Hera did that on purpose, and that is the true meaning of the "exchange" she spoke of. Think about it: What better way is there of ensuring that the two camps never go to war again than having Rome's most powerful champion become a Greek and Greece's greatest demigod become a Roman?
- Elaborating on that theory: As Olympus is currently in New York, Camp Jupiter will move to Long Island. The gods will magically "expand" Long Island to make way for New Rome. Oh, and, in Camp Half Blood, another mini-city is built, except it's in the Greek Style and is called New Athens.
- In the first place, Sally and Paul are clearly in love with each other and it would be a very nice way to demonstrate that love. In the second, I'm pretty sure Sally is still young enough and she and Paul have been together for well over a year if I'm doing the math correctly, which is plenty of time to conceive. Third, it would have such an ... interesting... effect on Percy.
- This needs to happen. My baby Nico doesn't get enough love and Rick's not allowed to write off his percy crush as ''just a crush"
- this troper wants this to happen very badly, but considering he's still so ashamed of being gay, he may not be ready for a relationship. If this does happen, it will probably only be implied and not developed into a full relationship, but still, it's something.
- Sort of, it is heavily implied that Will Solace counselor of the Apollo cabin likes him
- Rick better watch his back if you're right.
There is a possibility, however unlikely it is, that Luke was denied rebirth as he served Kronos for several years. So to atone for his sins, Hades/Pluto/Thanatos/The gods open the Doors a little or resurrect him to help the Seven, the reward being that he now has the option to be reborn.
If that doesn't happen, he could always be resurrected as an emergency measure when the Seven are being curb-stomped.
Another idea of mine is that, in the Mark of Athena, Percy hears Luke giving him sword-fighting tips. It's either his memory or Luke's been protecting Percy and Annabeth the whole time. As a penance, he had to be their permanant spiritual bodyguard, which is why they are still alive so far.
- OH OH OH! What if Gaea hijacks their Heroic Sacrifice to wake up? She does need the blood of one female and one male demigod...
- Let's face it: Nico needs a home. A real home. He needs a parental figure that will show him love and affection. She needs a son who she can take care of, which Percy has pretty much grown out of by this point. I just think that it would be a good situation for both of them.
- You must have missed the part where Percy's mom made a small fortune off of her sculpture, The Poker Player, a huge step forward in super-ugly neorealism way back when.
- Well, I figured that if Gaia can bring people who had been dead for a few thousand years back to life, she can probably break Gabe out of petrification.
- Sadly Jossed. Medusa doesn't make an appearance.
- This would be Fridge Brilliance if it happens, since this is actually a scenario that many archaeology students (or students from school boards that offer Ancient Greek as a second/third language course) find themselves in when they go to Greece. Speaking from experience, it is awkward on the AG side and probably funny as heck on the modern passerby side.
- Yeesh, I hope not. That would have Bury Your Gays written all over it.
- Thankfully Jossed. Nico survives.
- Confirmed, somewhat. Annabeth doesn't mention him by name, but she mentions an uncle and cousin in Boston. Considering that the Norse series is set to take place in Boston, it can be assumed that she's referring to Magnus and his father.
- He's going to be Reyna's destined love interest.
- Jossed. Actually, this can't be. Reyna had said that during a mission with Jason before he lost his memories, she met Aprodite, who told her that no demigod could heal her heart. Magnus is a demigod child of Frey, a Norse God. So this theory is null and void.
- Unfortunately, it seems that Fate is a force Apollo interacts with rather than something the Greek gods have it in their domain to control. The most direct representatives of Fate we've seen are the Norns, who are aligned with the Norse.
- When someone dies, the Fates snip off their thread and they no longer contribute to the web of destiny. Those who reincarnate are simply woven in as a new thread. But now Leo has done something different: he was not reincarnated, but genuinely resurrected. As a result of this, he was not given a new thread, and is now entirely outside Fate. This in turn means that as long as Leo lives, the Fate's tapestry will be flawed, as a force that they are intrinsically incapable of accounting for (Leo) has impacts on the timeline. This means that when Leo injected himself with the physician's cure, all previously made prophecies became invalid, and no new ones can be made as long as Leo is Walking the Earth.
- As a corollary, this is the real reason that Zeus was so angry about the Cure.
- Other gods still active:
- The gods of Carthage retired to North Africa (or possibly part of the US with a large Lebanese/Maghrebi population), and just as Rhea Silvia has become Audrey Hepburn, they resemble the cast of Casablanca.
- The Mesoamerican gods still exist but largely don't leave Central America, though they can be seen in Southern California and the environs. Alternately, they're still more aspects of the Olympians (Juno/Hera mentions Aztecs when talking to Leo as if she knew them personally, and they had the Roman imperialism bit down)
- Or one of Sammy's ancestors was an Aztec demigod. After all, Leo did mention having Aztec forefathers in one of the chapters he narrated.