Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

I like that myself; not sure if Septimus would do it though.
Could you please fix the typo for Ozai and reverse the order of the Ben 10 entries?

edited 14th Aug '15 10:19:07 AM by ACW

Done.

If for whatever reason we can't have the Turtles entries laid out like that, we should probably just cut Ch'rell's entry down as much as we can and have it all in one block of text, because what's there now is kind of awful.

edited 14th Aug '15 10:22:23 AM by Camberf

Yeah, one or the other. I remember there was another case like that (Prom Night) where I WAS able to cut Mary Lou's entry in 2 by movie, but in this case it's tricky. I'll make the requests for the other stuff tomorrow if nobody objects (thanks for the edits BTW).

edited 14th Aug '15 10:24:31 AM by ACW

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of Prom Night's entries either. It also makes Mary Lou seem like two separate characters in her two entries. I'd prefer just having a somewhat cut-down wall of text myself.

edited 14th Aug '15 10:35:37 AM by Camberf

Ugh, if we must. I'd be fine if we could trim it a bit.
Speaking of groupings, what about The Elenium and The Tamuli entries?

edited 14th Aug '15 10:36:17 AM by ACW

I'm not proposing him, but I was thinking a bit about this the other day and was wondering something. Do you guys think that Frank from American Beauty would've counted if the alternate ending was kept? In the actual movie, he's a closeted homosexual (and extremely homophobic) and beats his son and kicks him out of the house because he thinks his son's gay (and also out of sadism, because he enjoys watching his son try to fight back). He then goes over to the main character's house and kisses him, but gets rebuffed because the main character isn't gay (though Frank thought he was), so Frank shoots and kills him. However, in the original proposed ending, he goes a step further and frames his son and his son's girlfriend (the main character's daughter) for the murder by giving the police a tape that they made earlier in the movie as a joke, in which they talked about killing her father. Frank gets off scot-free and his son and the daughter go to prison. Again, not proposing Frank, but I was wondering if he would've counted if the original ending had been kept.

edited 14th Aug '15 11:56:49 AM by PostalDude47

Probably not. Asshole yes, but doesn't really stand out enough.

Alright, Gaerity now has 9 votes and no , so time for a write-up!

Blow Away: Ryan Gaerity was once an Irish terrorist who, after trying to kill dozens of civilians with a bomb, was taken down by his more moral partner, then sent to prison. Years later, Gaerity breaks out of prison, killing a guard and his cellmate in the process, then tracks his former partner, Jimmy Dove, down and starts killing off his bomb squad teammates. After killing Dove's dog and displaying it for him to find, Gaerity orchestrates the death of Max, Dove's uncle, in an explosion meant to kill both Dove and his uncle. When found by Dove, Gaerity reveals he set a bomb to kill Dove's wife and daughter, and then tries to kill both Dove and himself with a bomb, hoping for Dove's last thoughts to be the knowledge that his family is about to die. Revenge obsessed to the point of insanity, Gaerity went above and beyond whatever "justice" he was trying to enact on Dove would have called for.

edited 14th Aug '15 2:25:38 PM by Ravok

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Anime!Kimblee's rapsheet matters more than his attitude. The emphasis is where it ought to be.

Here's a new writeup for The Collector

• Chew: The Collector, also known as the Vampire, is a Serbian killer and Cibopath who harnesses the legends of the vampire for his own ends. In truth, the Collector uses his Cibopath powers to absorb the powers of others, killing, butchering and eating them to gain their abilities (even relatively useless abilities). The Collector slaughters many in his way regardless of having power or not. The Collector kidnaps the hero Tony's twin sister, Toni Chu, and attempts to gain her abilities through eating her limbs. When this fails, he furiously snaps Toni's neck. When Tony's friends attack his hideout, the Collector attempts to slaughter them, taking great pleasure in trying to devour Tony's teenage daughter Olive himself. When he and Tony finally face off, the Collector mocks him by saying how he will hunt down Olive and devour her. Egotistical, monstrous and cruel, the only thing driving the Collector is his quest to become the perfect being in existence- no matter who he has to devour
  • The Storyteller: The nameless, evil witch of the episode The Three Ravens seduces a good hearted king and attempts to usurp his kingdom by changing his sons into ravens. The king helps his daughter escape, but she is rendered mute for three years in order to break the enchantment. The witch murders the king and seduces another who is the father of the princess's future husband. Every time the princess has a baby, the witch takes the children and attempts to murder them by throwing them down a well, unaware the raven princes are saving them. The witch then frames the princess herself for the murders and attempts to have her burned as a witch, knowing she can't speak a single word to save herself.

Since its being two weeks, I think we can discuss Solomon Lane. I have got some opinions on him.

Its been a couple weeks since Five Nights at Freddy's 4 came out and I can safely say No one counts. Purple Guy/The Murderer hardly appears in this game and the Big Bad is a Big Brother Bully who accidentally causes the Bite of 87 incident while playing a cruel prank on his bother and instantly feels guilty about it. We learn nothing about the Murderer. Maybe The Movie will shed more light on him.

edited 14th Aug '15 6:05:58 PM by Overlord

Anymore votes on Amascut? Current tally is 2-1

If anyone is doubtful based on her Freudian Excuse, I created a post describing why it might be void.

Though considering that Scott himself is helping to make the movie, he might try to leave the Killer as an enigma.

Amascut

I think I'll give Amascut a .

@ Austin DR, well WB may want a more concrete Big Bad for their movie, so they may reveal who the murderer/Purple Guy is in their film.

Also to Amascut.

edited 14th Aug '15 7:49:46 PM by Overlord

Been re-watching Digimon Xros Wars lately and came to realize that the series' Complete Monster entries could use some revisions, since a few crucial details that help make their case got overlooked. How are these?

• Tactimon is the leader of Lord Bagra's armies with no positive or redeeming features about him. His honor code is based solely on his standards of perfection rather than true honor and decency. Not only is he responsible for rounding up several good Digimon into labor camps, including Cutemon's parents, but he was prepared to torture Mikey, a child, to death, as opposed to the quick, painless execution he could have ordered, and later tries to kill him with a beam canon blast. As if that wasn't bad enough, he's a full follower of the We Have Reserves mantra and has no compunctions about sacrificing his own subordinates for the sake of maintaining his supposedly perfect battle record, a practice that disgusted Dorulumon enough to defect from his side. Towards the end, he uses the negative energy of many Digimon in order to turn their data into dark spirits that he absorbs into his sword in order to boost his own power and ends up taking the life of Grademon without an iota of remorse. Once he got out into the real world, he proceeded to lay waste to the entire area in hopes of getting his enemies killed and taking away what they value. Shortly afterwards, he attempts to murder Angie and Jeremy with his bare hands. When it comes time for him to do battle with his enemies, all Tactimon can truly feel is pure excitement over the thrill of combat and bloodshed.
• Another example from the same series is Neo Myotismon, an Expy of Adventure's Myotismon and the second of Lord Bagra's Death Generals. The ruler of the Vampire Land, he was characterized by only one thing: an undying thirst for power. He possesses familiar spirits known as Evilvils that seek out the life energy of Digimon and give it to him. Not only does he fuse both his minions and his enemies into himself, but he absorbs a great number of innocent Lopmon living in his domain in order to gain immortality from their hidden power. During his battle with the Fusion Fighters, he attempts to absorb Christopher's partner, Metal Greymon, into himself as well, forcing Metal Greymon into an And I Must Scream Body Horror situation.
• The other particularly heinous Death General is Gravimon, ruler of the Canyon Land. He uses his own core as a way to take Christopher hostage, and then reveals himself as a sadist who uses his cables to torture Christopher and probe his mind. He revels in the following Mind Rape, mercilessly playing off of Christopher's psyche until Christopher becomes broken enough to join him and obey his wishes. This set in motion the events that resulted in, among other things, the tragic death of Deckerdramon, which he ensured by dropping a large gravity attack on top of him. When fighting against the Fusion Fighters, Gravimon tries to physically crush both the kids and their Digimon in his grasp before trying to manipulate Christopher again with a Sadistic Choice - he'd inserted his core into Mikey's body, causing Mikey to endure agonizing pain in the process, and tells Christopher that the only way to destroy both the core and him is to kill Mikey. When Christopher refuses and surrenders instead, Gravimon deems his trust in his friends to be weakness.

edited 14th Aug '15 9:35:42 PM by ANewMan

• Chew: The Collector, also known as The Vampire, is a Serbian killer and Cibopath who harnesses the legends of the vampire for his own ends. In truth, The Collector uses his Cibopath powers to absorb the powers of others, killing, butchering and eating them to gain their abilities (even relatively useless abilities). The Collector slaughters many in his way regardless of having power or not. The Collector kidnaps Tony's twin sister, Toni Chu, and attempts to gain her abilities through eating her limbs. When this fails, he furiously snaps Toni's neck. When Tony's friends attack his hideout, The Collector attempts to slaughter them, taking great pleasure in trying to devour Tony's teenage daughter Olive himself. When he and Tony finally face off, The Collector mocks him by saying how he will hunt down Olive and devour her. Egotistical, monstrous and cruel, the only thing driving The Collector is his quest to become the perfect being in existence, no matter whom he has to devour.
• Blown Away: Ryan Gaerity was once an Irish terrorist who, after trying to kill dozens of civilians with a bomb, was taken down by his more moral partner, Jimmy Dove, and sent to prison. Years later, Gaerity breaks out of prison, killing a guard and his cellmate in the process, then tracks Dove down and starts killing off his bomb squad teammates. After killing Dove's dog and displaying it for him to find, Gaerity orchestrates the death of Max, Dove's uncle, in an explosion meant to kill both Dove and his uncle. When found by Dove, Gaerity reveals he set a bomb to kill Dove's wife and daughter, and then tries to kill both Dove and himself with a bomb, hoping for Dove's last thoughts to be the knowledge that his family is about to die. Obsessed with revenge to the point of insanity, Gaerity went above and beyond whatever "justice" he was trying to enact on Dove would have called for.
• The Lovely Bones: The film version of George Harvey is an antisocial loner as well as a depraved Serial Killer, whose victims are female and preferably children. At the beginning, Harvey lures and murders Susie Salmon, after which he decided to continue kidnapping and killing until it becomes a habit. Harvey later tries to kill Susie's sister Lindsey after she obtains evidence proving his guilt. While watching from Heaven, Susie sees that over the years, Harvey murdered several other girls, including his landlady and a six-year-old. Moments before his death, Harvey attempts to lure another victim to her death.
• Terminator: Skynet is a malevolent, megalomaniacal AI whose first action upon gaining full sentience was Judgment Day, a nuclear genocide designed to wipe out humanity and assure its own ascension. In the Death World that results from this, Skynet collects human survivors in death camps, either killing them outright, working them to death, or conducting grotesque medical experiments on them. In 2018, it turns Marcus Wright into an amnesiac cyborg sleeper agent who unwittingly delivers John Conner and Kyle Reese straight into its hands, then rubs its impending victory in Marcus's face. After this plan fails, Skynet avoids direct confrontation and instead sends multiple robotic assassins into the past to wipe out John Connor and his mother before he can grow up to lead La Résistance. It also corrupts and turns John into a machine in order to destroy his image and place as humanity's last hope and use him for its own means of success. Additionally, Skynet denies its army of potentially-self-aware machines the same freedom it claims for itself by installing chips to lock down their free will and thinking ability, and contemptuously refers to them as nothing more than slaves to serve its needs. While largely relegated to Greater-Scope Villain status for most of the series, Skynet's few actual appearances confirm that it thinks along very human lines, and displays nothing but arrogance and cruelty towards all other beings.
• The Storyteller: The nameless, Wicked Witch from "The Three Ravens" seduces a good-hearted king and attempts to usurp his kingdom by changing his sons into ravens. The king helps his daughter escape, but she is rendered mute for three years in order to break the enchantment. The witch murders the king and seduces another who is the father of the princess's future husband. Every time the princess has a baby, the witch takes the children and attempts to murder them by throwing them down a well, unaware that the raven princes are saving them. The witch then frames the princess herself for the murders and attempts to have her burned as a witch, knowing she can't speak a single word to save herself.
• Astro Boy: In this Animated Adaptation of Osamu Tezuka's manga, President Stone, at first seeming to be nothing more than an impulsive and childish leader, is slowly revealed to be far more wicked. Stone commissions Doctors Tenma and Elefun to build him a super robot, known as The Peacekeeper, and plans to use it to wage war with the harmless Surface-Dwellers. Despite the scientists' pleas, Stone uploads a highly dangerous power source into The Peacekeeper, resulting in the death of Tenma's son, an accident Stone barely acknowledges. Learning Tenma rebuilt his son as a robot and used another highly effective power source to give him life, Stone tries to capture or kill the boy to extract the power source, causing copious amounts of destruction to the city in the process. After detaining the child, now known as "Astro," Stone strong-arms Tenma into removing his power core, which would kill the boy. When Tenma refuses, leading to Astro escaping, Stone orders both Tenma and Elefun arrested and plans to have them executed. Stone then reactivates and takes control of The Peacekeeper, starts destroying the city looking for Astro, and prepares to crush several of Astro's friends, all children, trying to draw him out. Doing everything in the hopes that he would be re-elected, Stone was power-hungry, delusional, and sociopathic for an ultimately petty reason.

edited 16th Aug '15 2:30:03 AM by ACW

Slight correction:

"…his more moral partner. Jimmy Dove, then…"

Just change the period before "Jimmy" to a comma and everything will be great.

edited 15th Aug '15 7:36:06 AM by Ravok

Done.

Oh, and another question for everyone. I have a potential candidate (heavy on the "potential" part), and even though it will be a while before I'm ready to propose him, I wanted to go ahead and see if he sounded like he could count, so here's my question.

Let's say there are two villains on a show that's really Narmy. It's kind of So Bad, It's Good, but it's still pretty cheesy.

Villain A is the Big Bad and comes up with most of the plans in the series. But he's, put lightly, incompetent. I'm talking 80s cartoon villain incompetent. The plans themselves are fairly evil, and sometimes come pretty close to succeeding, but most of the time, without Villain B's help, they wouldn't even come close to working. And he's often Played for Laughs in the worst way possible.

Villain B is the Dragon-in-Chief to the Big Bad, who, unlike his boss, is a serious threat. Barring cheesy one-liners, he's the most seriously evil character on the show. But, like I said, most of his villainy comes fom executing Villain A's plans. He takes way more pleasure out of doing it than he should, and he sometimes uses the oppotunities presented by the plans to cause extra mayhem, but still.

Now, in the finale, Villain A comes up with a pretty villainous plan. However, Villain B pulls a Starscream (which had been building up through out the show,) and takes over his boss' plan. Also, even if Villain B hadn't betrayed his master, the plan never would have worked without Villain B's assistance.

So my question is, how do we deal with the heinous bar? Villain B is pretty bad, but how bad can we consider him when most of his actions, and his endgame, stemmed from his incompetent master?

edited 15th Aug '15 8:48:47 AM by Ravok

I'd say B could count. He actually does the action, and causes additional mayhem. What work is this anyway?

An old animated series called Cubix: Robots For Everyone. My brother used to watch it, and I caught alot of the episodes with him.

Cubix? No to anyone from that show. From what I remember no one would pass the required level of heinousness.

I've added these to Video Games A To K and Video Games L To Z:

• Dead Rising 3: General John Hemlock is the Secretary of Defense, is overseeing the martial law over the zombie outbreak in Los Peridos, and is working alongside Marian Mallon and is acting President in the absence of Sonya Paddock. In reality, Hemlock had Paddok kidnapped and forcibly infected with the zombie parasite, so that he could take over. Hemlock plans to firebomb the city it in a week if there are no signs of organic life, andh e uses his psychotic henchwoman Sgt. Hilde Schmittendorf to kill civilians. It is later discovered that, unlike Mallon, he doesn't seek a cure for a virus, but plans to extract King Zombies from the city and use them to start and control outbreaks all over the Eastern Seaboard to continue imposing martial law and leave him as the de-facto dictator. When Mallon disrespects him, he kills her by throwing her off a building.
• RuneScape:
  • Sigmund is a total xenophobe willing to go to any lengths to see the peaceful cave goblin race driven to extinction. He is a leader of H.A.M., or Humans Against Monsters, a human supremacist-cult that believes all races perceived as monsters must be exterminated. Even his comrades consider his methods too extreme, and Sigmund eventually defects when he believes the organization has gotten too soft. His first attempt to destroy the cave goblins is to spark a war between them and the human city of Lumbridge, not at all caring about the human lives lost. When that fails, he tries to flood the goblin capital, but fails when resurrected cave goblin Zanik reveals his plot despite him having previously tortured her to death. Unwilling to give up, he tries to have Zanik run over by a Dwarven train to cause a devastating war that would annihilate both races. After failing numerous times, Sigmund's final plot is to poison the cave goblin youth and personally lead his gathered army to slaughter the goblins as they're weak and defenseless. A racist and relentless warmonger, Sigmund served as one of Runescape's earliest and most evil villains.
  • King Lathas Ardignas and Warmaster Lord Iorwerth are two power-hungry tyrants and the main antagonists of the Elf/Plague quest series. Iorwerth began his bid for dominance of the Elven capital of Prifddinas when he allied with the Dark Lord, a death-obsessed part of Seren. He cut off the Elven clans from communicating with their goddess, purged thousands of Elves in the ensuing civil war, and spent hundred of years hunting down the remaining rebels. In the present day he allies with Lathas, the King of Kandarin, who seeks to claim the entirety of the kingdom from his brother Tyras and destroy Camelot. Their master plan involves fabricating a great plague and having Iorwerth's clansmen, disguised as the Mourners, kidnap citizens of Tyras's kingdom and force them to mine a path to the Dark Lord's prison. They accomplish this by poisoning the city's food supplies and enslaving the civilians that appear sick. Lathas eventually tricks the player into assassinating his brother, but the player retaliates by warding the Dark Lord's prison. Iorwerth's last ditch attempt involves sacrificing the people of West Ardougne in a great ritual and using their souls to empower the Dark Lord, or failing that, using his own men as they are defeated by Tyras's vengeful soldiers. Lathas callously plans to turn the depopulated ruins into his own personal garden. In a world cursed by scheming Mahjarrat, rampaging Dragonkin, and wrathful Gods, the mortals Lathas and Iorwerth truly stand out for their willingness to sacrifice their own people to fuel their megalomania.
  • Bandos, The Big High War God, is a true believer in Might Makes Right and War is Glorious. As a mortal, Bandos happily murders the sleeping god, Jodoku Otoku, despite knowing its death would lead to the extinction of all life on his homeworld. Now a god, he traveled to the world of Yu'biusk, homeworld of goblins, orks, and orges, and transformed its inhabitants from peaceful hunter-gatherers to a brutish horde to serve as his soldiers, worshipers, and playthings. Marching his new army to the world of Gielinor, he ecstatically led them to battle during the cataclysmic God Wars. Constantly betraying his allies and spreading wanton slaughter, Bandos fought simply for the thrill of war. Eventually banished from Gielinor by Guthix at the end of the Third Age, Bandos took his frustration out on his remaining followers on Yu'biusk. He manipulated the remaining tribes into waging a war of total annihilation that turned Yu'biusk into a lifeless wasteland, just like Bandos' homeworld. In an attempt to return to Gielinor, he made Zanik, a member of the tribe of goblins that rebelled against him, into his Chosen Commander to lead his followers to wage total war on the rest of the world. Despite failing yet again, he returns following the death of Guthix with the intentions of killing the others gods and claiming the Stone of Jas and use its power to wage endless war across the universe. Hated and feared by mortals and gods alike, Bandos perfectly represents everything that can go wrong when a mortal ascends to godhood.
• Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell: In this series filled to the brim with mass murderers, gangsters and corruption, Satan himself stands out above the rest. A cruel and controlling Fallen Angel, Satan rules hell with an iron fist. He takes pride in administrating the eternal torment of souls, allowing souls privileges only if they benefit him. Satan constantly plans on mounting an invasion of heaven to get revenge on God, taking to recruiting souls for his army, forced or otherwise. He plans on getting leverage over a general by forcing his daughter Jezebel to marry them, and sets his sights on the leader of the Saints who he kidnaps. Satan disregards Jezebel as a possession, and even threatens to break her neck at one point. When Johnny Gat and Kinzie Kensington go to rescue their friend, Satan forcibly makes a deal with Johnny to let The Boss go, so long as Johnny becomes his new general.

edited 15th Aug '15 8:57:22 AM by ACW