To-do list:
- Split the trope in the following ways:
- Split off a trope for “deep voices signaling an authority figure" (unisex)
- Split off a trope for “deep voices signaling a physically strong character" (unisex)
Badass Baritone is supposed to denote a character who is tough and "badass" by giving them a deep voice. However, Like other Badass tropes, It became a ZCE magnet, and a few examples attracted some gushing especially in regards to the actors/voice actors that portray such characters.
Here are the results from my Wick Check: (Thanks Yindee for the organization help!)
- Valid- (7/52)
- No mentions of the character being a badass- (11/52)
- ZCE- (24/52)
- Maybe/Not sure- (10/52)
Fortunately, There are 2 solutions I can think of:
- Disambiguate with other deep voice related tropes (Contralto Of Danger, Evil Sounds Deep, Power Makes Your Voice Deep etc.).
- Retool the trope to signify deep voices with masculine characters (Much like how Manly Facial Hair was retooled from Badass Beard and Badass Mustache) as well as yard it for deep voices symbolizing a leader/authoritarian figure.
Wick check:
As brought in here
Badass Baritone has a lot ZCEs, Possible Misuse (Its supposed to denote a tough character via deep voice), among others. So I'll check if there's an overarching problem with it.
Gonna play the eenie meenie miney mo game with this
52/52
- Valid- (7/52)
- No mentions of the character being a badass- (11/52)
- ZCE- (24/52)
- Maybe/Not sure- (10/52)
- Fire Emblem Heroes Midgard (Gustav)/ Badass Baritone: The tough king of Askr, with a very deep voice to match, courtesy of Joji Nakata and Edward Bosco. Valid
- Far Cry 3 (Dennis)/ Badass Baritone: He has a deep, mature voice, and he's an African warrior of the Rakyat tribe. Valid
- Horizon Zero Dawn - Tribes(Aratak)/ Badass Baritone: His voice is deep and commanding, as befits a powerful tribal chieftain. Valid
- LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (Wolverine)/ Badass Baritone: Has the usual low register to provide the usual badass image for Wolverine. Valid
- Now and Then, Here and There (Elamba)/ Badass Baritone/Evil Sounds Deep: In the english dub his voice is much deeper to emphasize the ruthless warrior he is and seems to lower as his cruelty becomes more apparent. Comes naturally when you have the same voice as the Shredder. Valid
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: He's got a deep voice and a deep love for combat. (Wheeljack) Valid
- Punch-Out!!/ Badass Baritone: In the Wii game, he speaks with the deepest voice of all the boxers next to Mr. Sandman. He's easily one of the tougher opponents in the game as well, if you haven't figured out how to deal with his attacks. (Great Tiger) Valid
- The Locked Tomb (Silas)/ Badass Baritone: It's noted by Gideon's narration that he has a rather deep No mentions of the badass part
- Resident Evil - Albert Wesker/ Badass Baritone: He has a very deep and booming voice. No mentions of the badass part
- Live A Hero (Monomasa)/ Badass Baritone: Has a very deep voice, though it is unclear if this is Drovain's own voice or if he is using Monomasa's. No mention of the badass part
- The Testament Of Sister New Devil Moderate Faction (Rasmus)/ Badass Baritone: Both Tesshō Genda and Christopher Corey Smith provide a deep, booming voice of Ramsus. No mention of the badass part
- Kamen Rider Revice / Weekend (The Masked Man)/ Badass Baritone: His present self has a deep, almost metallic sounding voice, courtesy of Shinshu Fuji. No mention of the badass part
- Doom (2016): UAC and ARC (Samuel Hayden)/ Badass Baritone: His deep voice has drawn more than a few comparisons to Peter Cullen's take on Optimus Prime. Doesn't explain the badass part
- Knives Out (Benoit Blanc)/ Badass Baritone: Blanc's Southern accent blends extremely well with Daniel Craig's natural deep voice. no mentions of the badass part
- Sybal-Heim (Basileus)/ Badass Baritone: His deep voice is portrayed with black speech bubbles instead of white. No mentions of the badass part
- Team Fortress 2: The Engineer/ Badass Baritone: Maybe not as much at launch, but Grant Goodeve tends to use a noticeably deeper voice for lines added in later updates. No Mention of the badass part
- Metroid - Bounty Hunters (Ghor)/ Badass Baritone: His voice is significantly deeper in his battle suit. It's most obvious in the conversation you have with him on the first mission to Norion. Mixes with Evil Sounds Deep after his corruption. no mention of the badass part
- Puyo Puyo Fever (Possessed Klug) / Badass Baritone: His English voice acting in his Tetris 2 DLC appearance has an impressively deep and intimidating pitch. no mention of the badass part
- Berserk: Guts/ Badass Baritone: Damn, even his voice is badass! And it was shown (or rather, heard) in the anime that Guts went through some major puberty at around age 14 or 15 since he already has a deep voice by then. It just adds to the sexiness. ZCE plus creepy gushing
- Pastamonsters Enderman And His Allies (Enderman)/ Badass Baritone: Especially when he sings ZCE
- Trails Series Erebonia Ironblood (Rufus Alberea)/ Badass Baritone: To emphasize his noble bearing and combat prowess. ZCE
- Final Fantasy XV - Kingdom of Lucis (Regis Lucis Caelum CXIII)/Badass Baritone: It gives him a fitting air of command and gravitas. ZCE
- Helheim Hassle (Bear Death)/ Badass Baritone: He has this up until his identity is revealed. After that, his voice is considerably less baritone and badass. ZCE
- Bravely Default Protagonists (Ringabell)/ Badass Baritone: He has a rather deep and smooth voice in the Japanese dub. Not so much in the English version. ZCE
- Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office/ Badass Baritone: Part of the parcel when you're a badass martial artist played by Daisuke Ono. (Van Arkride) ZCE
- Trails Series Calvard Arkride Solutions Office/ Badass Baritone: As expected from the man who voiced Snake and Big Boss, Bergard has a really deep voice. (Bergard Zeman) ZCE
- Borderlands: Hyperion (Vasquez)/ Badass Baritone: God bless you, Mr. Warburton. ZCE plus gushing
- Tsukihime: Supporting Cast (Nrvnqsr Chaos)/ Badass Baritone: He's voiced by Joji Nakata. ZCE
- The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (2015) (Napoleon Solo)/ Badass Baritone: American accent or not, that is Henry Cavill's natural voice. ZCE
- Hololive Holostars Japan Generation Three (Oga Aragami)/Badass Baritone: Has one of the deepest (if not the deepest) voices among the Holostars. This is heavily abused during Oga's cover of Love Live!'s 'Snow Halation' during a collab singing session. He later mentions during a late-night talk stream that because his voice is naturally low, it can be difficult for people to hear him clearly, which causes him to raise his voice, which in turn spooks people. ZCE plus possible IRL troping
- The X Factor USA Season 2 (Willie Jones)/ Badass Baritone ZCE
- Destiny The Guardians (Commander Zavala)/ Badass Baritone: Has one of the deepest voices in the game and you do not become Titan Vanguard without reason. ZCE
- A Dragon in Shining Armour (Alphamon)/ Badass Baritone: Alphamon is described as having a deep voice. ZCE
- Tada Never Falls in Love (KittyBig)/ Badass Baritone: The voice in his heart one could easily mistake for James Earl Jones. It's not though. ZCE
- Witch Cartoon Allies(Vathek)/ Badass Baritone: He has a deep voice in the animated series. ZCE
- Tales of Xillia (Gaius)/ Badass Baritone: In the dub, courtesy of Travis Willingham. ZCE
- Jak and Daxter (Sig)/ Badass Baritone: Courtesy of his voice actor. ZCE
- Okupas (Pollo)/ Badass Baritone: Has quite a deep voice. ZCE
- Saints Row The Third Street Saints (Keith David)/ Badass Baritone: A given, as he is one of the go-to voices for such an archetype in Hollywood. ZCE
- Total War: Warhammer - The Greenskins (Grom the Paunch)/ Badass Baritone: During the trailer of The Warden and the Paunch, Grom had a voice almost as low as Grimgor's. While significantly higher-pitched in game, his voice is still notably deep for a goblin and far deeper than Skarsnik's. ZCE and no mention of the badass part
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: Comes with being voiced by Kevin Michael Richardson. (Bulkhead) ZCE
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: Comes with being voiced by Michael Ironside. (Ultra Magnus) ZCE
- Like a Dragon: Kazuma Kiryu/ Badass Baritone: Takaya Kuroda, an actor with a notably deep voice, plays Kiryu with pure, unadulterated badass. He also uses it to great effect whenever he sings. Darryl Kurylo's no slouch in this regard, either. Maybe valid
- Splinter Cell: Fisher Family (Sam Fisher)/ Badass Baritone: He's one of the most lethal men on the planet, and he's voiced by Michael Ironside in almost all appearances. His distinct low growl is often the last thing his opponents ever hear. Also counts for Daniel Beretta in the European French version. Maybe valid (Note: I combined it with the subbullet so I won't get confused during counting)
- Super Robot Wars UX (Agnes "Agni" Berge)/ Badass Baritone: He has a slightly deeper voice in Act 3, signifying his more serious and professional attitude at this point. Maybe Valid
- Kirby - King Dedede/ Badass Baritone: In games where he is voiced, Dedede is liable to have a bellowing, kingly voice. It's greatly emphasized by his tendency to roar, and he indeed has the strength to back it up. Maybe Valid
- The Elder Scrolls Online (King Fahara'jad)/ Badass Baritone: He has a very deep voice and is a capable king. Maybe Valid
- Kingsman: Kingsmen (Merlin)/ Badass Baritone: Merlin has a deep voice and is the Kingsmen's resident Badass Bookworm. Mayhaps
- Soul Eater: Troubled Souls - Headmaster And Staff (Lord Death)/Badass Baritone: During his Let's Get Dangerous!! moments, otherwise his voice is chipper and goofy. Unsure
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: Peter Cullen's voice has only gotten more deep over the years, and even more badass.(Optimus Prime) Not Sure
- Transformers Prime Autobots/ Badass Baritone: He's got a deep voice and can fight with the best of them. (Cliffjumper) Maybe Valid
- Punch-Out!!/Badass Baritone: The Wii version gives him an impressively deep voice to make him even more intimidating. (Mr. Sandman) Maybe
- Possible solutions:
- Disambiguate with other deep voice related tropes (Contralto Of Danger, Evil Sounds Deep, Power Makes Your Voice Deep etc.).
- Retool the trope to signify deep voices with manly characters (Much like how Manly Facial Hair was retooled from Badass Beard and Badass Mustache) as well as yard it for deep voices symbolizing a leader/authoritarian figure.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 1st 2023 at 1:22:27 PM
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So these examples were suggested for the "Deep voice signals strength" but I'm unsure if they fir either that or the "Deep voice signals authority" trope
- Saints Row: Many characters, primarily antagonists, throughout the Saint's Row series have deep voices and are very strong muscular characters. To wit:
- The Boss themselves, if you make their voice really deep and their muscles really big, who can fight entire armies on their own.
- Saints Row has, among the three main villainous gangs, Big Tony Green and Benjamin King, both imposing black men who speak with the deep voices of TC Carson and Michael Clarke Duncan, respectively. Tony is The Dragon, and brave enough to beat up Johnny Gat himself and shoot him in the knee, whereas King is a Genius Bruiser who's just as good at beating insubordinate minions up as at manipulating events behind the scenes with his connections and guile. Another example is Victor Rodriguez of Los Carnales, a Macho Latino with tons of tattooes who can kill a lot of enemies and withstand a ton of punishment before you finally kill him. Victor speaks in a soft, deep voice (when he ever speaks at all).
- Saints Row 2: Maero, leader of the Brotherhood. He speaks with the deep voice of Michael Dorn, and, like Victor, is a muscular tattooed man strong enough to carry a Gatling gun like a chainsaw and subject his own men to a Neck Lift when he's angry.
- Saints Row: The Third: On the heroes' side (if you can call the Saints heroes) is Oleg Kirrlov, a massive Russian as strong as he is intelligent who speaks in a low, deep, gravelly voice, and Angel De La Muerte, a Masked Luchador voiced by Hulk Hogan himself, extremely strong (though perhaps not as much as he thinks he is), and prone to being extremely dramatic without once raising his voice. Finally, we have Eddie "Killbane" Pryor, a luchador like Angel himself, but even bigger and more over-the-top, who speaks in the deep, explosively guttural voice of Rick D. Wasserman, and never misses a chance to boast about his superiority.
- Zinyak, the Big Bad of Saints Row IV is an imposing alien Galactic Conqueror who speaks in the deep, rich voice of JB Blanc, is surprisingly Wicked Cultured, and is strong enough to wipe the floor with the Boss on his own, even without relying on his Telekinesis.
Edit: also from the TLP, someone pointed out that the "Deep voice signals strength" trope might be redundant with Power Makes Your Voice Deep but I pointed out that it involves super powers not physical strength, but I want more opinions on that.
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 5th 2023 at 11:11:01 PM
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Eh, that's an issue to hash out on the draft itself. If it doesn't launch, it doesn't launch.
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Deep Voice of Authority is now a month old and has 8 hats. Is it safe to launch?
Am I a weirdo?
There's also four bombs. That means it's currently at net four hats, and you're not supposed to launch until it's at least at net five hats.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
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Baritone of Strength now has a net total of 6 hats, safe to launch tomorrow? (pacific standard time)
Also, Deep voice of authority now has a net total of 3 hats, should I releaunch it?
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 8th 2023 at 1:10:58 AM
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Just stoic wisdom.
It's gotta be 5 or more hats.
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No, I meant should I nuke it and TLP it again?
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 8th 2023 at 2:32:32 AM
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Bumping this thread, safe to launch Baritone of Strength and re-TLP Deep voice of authority?
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If one of the drafts doesn't have enough net hats, then maybe we could Yard it and shift our focus to the other part of the split. There was at least one previous case of a TLP draft for a TRS thread failing; the Critical Research Failure TRS thread had consensus for making a draft for a supertrope for inaccuracies, but that idea was abandoned when the TLP draft failed.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 9th 2023 at 3:46:43 AM
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I think the point of sending the idea to the TLP is that whatever happens to the draft, happens to the draft; if it launches, cool. if it doesn't, it doesn't. Basically, treat the draft as if it were any other idea even if the idea came from a TRS thread. (Example: there's the adaptational colorism draft that's pretty much dead for having too many issues that was spun out of the But Not Too Black thread.)
If only one idea has been deemed solid, then that launches and whatever else can get yarded, while the trope gets dewicked, I believe. If you want to try the other idea again on a new draft, go for it.
Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 9th 2023 at 5:07:17 AM
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That's basically what I was trying to say, except you worded it better than I did since it's early in the morning where I live and I didn't get much sleep, so my previous post probably ended up being unclear, so thanks for clarifying things. I agree with what you said.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 9th 2023 at 4:24:47 AM
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Alrighty, So when can I launch the Baritone of strenght trope?
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I'm not the best person to ask since I lack TLP experience, so I'll defer to others on providing advice for that if the TLP Guidelines don't answer that question.
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You can launch it when the TLP community agrees it can be launched. That may very well be tomorrow, if you tag it and nobody protests.
Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 9th 2023 at 12:37:11 PM
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this. See also the "Preparing For Launch" section on TLP Guidelines
Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 9th 2023 at 12:45:23 PM
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I'm happy to announce that Baritone of Strength has now been officially launched.
So what are we going to do for Badass Baritone? A disambig or a merge?
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 12th 2023 at 5:10:03 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Disambig.
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Alrighty, You may do the honors. (unless we need more tropers consesuses)
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No, we don't need more consensus. I went ahead and did it since at least one of the targets of the split has been launched.
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I'll try and dewick as many Badass Baritone entries as I could, but it might be slow because I have exams coming up next week.
Also, I'll make a sandbox to keep track of the progress as well as determining if some of the examples can fit into BOS or not.
EDIT: Boop
Edited by Ayumi-chan on Apr 12th 2023 at 5:08:44 PM
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Gentle reminder to crosswick the examples on Baritone of Strength first to make sure the trope thrives.
Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 12th 2023 at 5:29:36 AM
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I'll try but I'm on my phone and editing is kinda hard on it.
Anyways, I put up a reminder that the trope is intended to be unisex.
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Just a question, is it possible to make a Contralto Of Strength as a redirect because most of the examples are male-centric so far.
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Badass Baritone's tropeworthiness has been questioned, but splitting off specific concepts has been suggested. What should be done with Badass Baritone?
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May you do the honors?
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