Trope Pantheons Discussion

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@Muun Womble sits in this weird category that unlike Pewdiepie or Vanoss where he isn't the merchandise i.e, he isn't a brand to himself. He isn't a celebrity, if anything, he just simply posts events that occurs during his gameplay. If he shifts into political tangents, let me know, I'll personally deal with it.

@Rmpdc Honestly, I prefer the London Monitor over The Ausmerzer.

Edited by HamanaHamanaHamana on Sep 7th 2022 at 11:57:03 PM

for Stan, also for Roy Harper/Red Arrow.

Edited by Necromancer10 on Sep 7th 2022 at 1:15:48 PM

@HamanaHamanaHamana

If my Beatles rework has taught me, I would say that controversies can could and pass and it doesn't prevent you from still being culturally relevant, especially in pop-culture and Tropes in particular.

I would say learn to light-up a bit and if anything goes awry, you can always delete the profile in an instant and have the others deal whether or not re-accession is worth it. Like a Hype Prevention Sandbox but for holding during tense events. The Pantheon is far too big of a project to be erased from this site if you are worrying that much.

Also, Mayhem, Col. Cameron and even MJ who are far more controversial (but properly showing both controversial and factual aspects of them without just plainly basing them and concisely written may I add), are here and once approved by other users in the past, so I believe we are far past that Pandora's box by now and even then, I haven't heard any issues from them after their ascension. Are we supposed to remove every deity with controversy, even minor ones? Are we going start doing that to fictional characters as well?

But that's just my opinion. Anyway, here's a . I may disagree on your opinion but I would not spill that frustration into the profiles you are making.

@CrimsonShark

Freddie Mercury is the current holder of that title. What's happens to him? If there isn't anyone who would be taking it for a possible rework, I can volunteer to adopt it.

Also, for Roy.

Edit:

He could have that but I also contemplating ascend his bandmates as well, maybe for Arena Rock since that is what their later output as. I could maybe propose all of them for both titles, maybe as "Gods of Frontman Popularity and Arena Rock" or something.

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Sep 7th 2022 at 5:08:31 PM

I have an idea to give Freddie Face Of The Band, as he is the first person people think about when they think about Queen and he overshadows the other bandmates in popularity, plus he's not really known for his covers anyway. I have no plans to rework him as that's not my thing, but you can rework him for the trope if you want.

@rmpdc Karma Houdini Warranty is taken by Metal Face.

Yeah, but that profile is really outdated. And I doubt you're willing to rework it.

@Hamana: Good idea actually. But I'll probably ascend the London Monitor alongside its predecessor the Baltic Eye when the time comes. And I'll still be doing the Ausmerzer.

Edited by Rmpdc on Sep 7th 2022 at 6:06:02 PM

Got a couple new ideas for later. What do you think?

• Circe, Goddess of Transforming People (Hall of Transformations, Chaotic Evil)-The demigod witch Circe of Classical Mythology was renowned for transforming people she didn't like into animals - or worse: she turned the nymph Scylla into a monster out of jealousy, transformed Picus into a woodpecker for refusing her advances, and famously reduced several members of Odysseus's crew to pigs. In some versions of the story, her island is infested with various beasts - all of them former explorers who found themselves on the receiving end of her bad mood.
• Marshall, Carter and Dark Ltd, Divine Corporation Of Amoral Auctions (Hall of Commercial Archetypes, Lawful Evil)-Marshall Carter and Dark is a Smokey Gentlemans Club and GOI that is interested in the paranormal and anomalous. They acquire and sell anomalous things to the highest bidder, and they do not care about the ethics, acting like your standard amoral business. They are courteous and will broker deals with the SCP Foundation to protect their bottom line. Still, they rarely care about their artifacts getting into the wrong hands and will Kick the Dog if it gets them something worth selling

on Circe (she seems to be a deity who has seen her fair share of adaptations, so credit to that), abstaining on Marshall, Carter and Dark Ltd.

@lawliet — I'm accepting the idea of the core lineup of Queen for Arena Rock, though I don't mind you applying Face Of The Band either. That said, I do think there are more overt and blatant examples of the latter than Freddie Mercury (Brian May tends to be cited often as one of Rock's best guitarists). Make sure you make a formal proposal once you're ready.

Honestly, I've said this before, but I'm fine with real-life people, YouTubers included, being in the Pantheon with the obvious rules of if they represent a suggested trope well enough without any notable/better competition and said figure not being too controversial, polarizing, or a total magnet of negativity. I feel like I've already gone through that before.

On an extended note, many people would end up having to merchandise and brand themselves in some way or another if it means generating profits and providing funds for their work. It's not like PewDiePie and Vanoss wanted to create a whole bunch of merch, that's what happens when you create a large presence and you need to expand your ways to reach out to a bigger audience and still assure you're earning enough in your job. YouTube isn't the only place with that element; Journalism forces you to brand and promote your work with flashy titles and paragraphs because you need readers and viewers. With Yahtzee being a gaming journalist, well...

Oh yes, he does video reviews as well. Much of the same rules apply, except use the Caustic Critic archetype and put your own spin on it to make yourself more distinguishable and marketable.

My point is that it doesn't matter whether you're popular, are small-time, or your medium differs from others, branding and merchandising are still important factors in the entertainment industry. It's nearly inescapable and you're going to have to find a way to market yourself in some way, even if the topic you prefer to work on is niche.

"Sure, I'd like to think I turned out okay...That I am the best me I can be. But if I can keep them from messing up as bad as I did? Why the hell not?"

Edited by CrimsonShark on Sep 7th 2022 at 11:45:04 AM

So, any more ideas?

The Friend^{Identity Tetsuya Hattori, Katsumata Tadanobu}, Deity of Villainous Friends (Tomadachi, Founder of the Friendship Democratic Party, President of the World, “King of Evil”, “Bad Guy” | Hattori: Fukubei, Fukube, First Friend, Child A | Katsumata: Copy of the Copy, Second Friend, Counterfeit Friend, 20th Century Boy)

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• Greater God as an identity. Friend may be a Lesser God or a Demigod.
• Symbol: New Book of Prophecy or The Tower of The Sun
• Theme Song: Be My Friend
• Alignment: Neutral Evil, though presented himself as Lawful Good.
• Portfolio: Hidden Villain, Faux Affably Evil, Cool Mask, Dark Messiah, Manipulative Bastard, Villain with Good Publicity, Psychopathic Manchild, The Sociopath
• Domains: Plans, Manipulation, Conspiracy, Politics
• Allies:
  • Good: Immortal God-Emperor of Mankind
  • Evil: Johan Liebert, Mysterio, SHOCKER, Black Cross King, Sheev Palpatine, Gul Dukat, Zabi Family, Albert Wesker, William Birkin, Lex Luthor, Aku
  • Law: YHVH, Darkseid, Big Brother, Sibyl System, The Patriots, Five Elders, Keel Lorenz, Bask Om, Moebius, Wiseman
  • Chaos: Diego Brando, Yui Ikari
• Rivals: Frank Underwood
• Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Cosmos, Melkor
• Enemies:
  • Investigators: Solid Snake, Hal Emmerich, Bruce Wayne, Elim Garak, Chris Redfield, Claire Redfield, Leon Scott Kennedy
  • Subverters: Lucifer, The Joker, Sabo, Monkey D. Luffy, Char Aznable, Kamille Bidan, Solidus Snake
  • Others: Steven Armstrong, Charles Xavier
• Respected by: Nekron
• Opposed by: The Master
• Conflicting Opinion: The Beatles
• Some specific date is designated as the Pantheon's celebration for its founding. However, the parade went to hell just when most people were gathered to see it. Canisters containing gaseous chemicals were ignited into the crowds, causing people to hemorrhage from the lungs while panicking persons stampeded over others within the chaos. Meanwhile, several cargo ships were suddenly highjacked and workers within the ships were placed onto lifeboats when they were going to be rescued, the same canisters with chemicals ignited as these workers were being rescued, causing the trade routes to be closed off for hazardous material. This day would be labeled as the Red Jubilee considering how much blood was spilled from the toxins and injuries sustained. However, there was a person who arrived at the Pantheon with a treatment plan for those who were afflicted by the attack. Can you guess who this person heralded as a hero for his "generous" contribution to the Pantheon?
  Friend: Hello there. I am the Friend, the one who will guide us to a future of safety and peace.
• How the Friend came to power was through being the masked enigmatic founder and leader of the Friendship Democratic Party, in a world that pleaded for safety after similar terrorist attacks happened across the world. Furthermore, despite the belief that the Friend was assassinated by what was considered a terrorist group, the Friend was miraculously brought back to life and proceeded to be crowned as President of the World for his heroics. Ruling the dilapidated world ravaged by a virus with an iron fist, the Friend eventually planned for his most loyal followers to go to Mars to escape humanity from extinction. Then, to the horror of absolutely everyone, the Friend revealed that he was the true orchestrator of those biological weapon attacks and initiated the virus that killed most of humanity before dying, making it clear that he played everyone as fools and they could only blame themselves for allowing him to power. Then the Friend proceeded to activate a world-ending bomb as one final gift to humanity. Thus, the Friend cemented himself as the greatest villain Earth has faced, just as he intended since he was a child. The few in the higher authority of the Pantheon know this truth about the Friend, but the Friend became so popular to the Gullible Lemmings of society, that this information is seen as a smear campaign against the Friend who everyone sees as a savior even if his title gives his true nature away.
• As a consequence of the Red Jubilee, Melkor and his forces are seen as the instigators of the Red Jubilee due to the perpetrators being orcs, caught dropping the canisters in both the parade and the cargo hijacking. Of course, Melkor launched an investigation into this and discovered many of the grunts wholeheartedly admitted their role in the entire scenario. They were miffed from being at the lower levels, and some mysterious liaison of another person gave them an offer that they would be compensated in flesh for. Regardless, they did tell Melkor that it was the Friend who employed them and that the man paid a lot better than he ever did. After Melkor “rejected” his minions, it became clear to him that though he does not take pride in actions not his own, he did gain pedigree amongst malevolent circles over what was concerned a well-executed ballsy attack. It does not take a genius for Melkor to revel in such newfound respect especially when Melkor’s popularity dimmed a bit with more threatening villains arising. That does not mean he is not cautious of the Friend, as Melkor knows the Friend will use this tidbit for his gains. Thus, he keeps quiet about the Friend’s true nature (as if anyone will believe him about the Friend’s evil) as an unsaid mutual agreement.
• Ruing the day she publicly thanked the Friend for his contributions to helping so many people, Cosmos is one of the leading people who investigated the Friend’s background his entire plot exposed her and her inner circle entirely. By then, it was too late for Cosmos to make a dent in the winning streak of the Friend as he was heralded as an untouchable hero. He was so popular, that Cosmos was critiqued even by her inner circle for not being as quick of a responder as he was when the Red Jubilee occurred. The number of misogynistic jokes about her effectiveness as a female leader was unending for a week. Knowing the wonkiest Friend supporters would turn on her would dip if she tried exposing the Friend, Cosmos nominated to leak every detail of the Friend to the press and it became widespread. Despite this, somehow it failed to be a significant blowback against the Friend or his party’s popularity as the Friend perpetuated a widespread “fake news” culture that has people reject objective evidence if it violates their worldview. Although she would have supported this under any normal circumstance, the Friend campaigning for democratic leadership for the entire Pantheon would essentially give him the highest authority there is. For short, Cosmos is highly concerned about how much of a grip the charismatic Friend has and she cannot move against him lest her authority becomes undermined as a result.
• Overly dramatic on the dangers of ordering, Lucifer had to sit down with both Melkor and Cosmos to softly admit that the Friendship Democratic Party left him terrified in ways that he has felt few of. He pointed out to both of them (the ones who have issues with the Friend) that the Friend is not using elective tyranny against people to subtly take over the Pantheon. His good deeds are a farce meant to have people gravitate to his Cult of Personality that just echoes praise and praise towards the Friend’s goals and ambitions. A regular person can oppose a villain, but they cannot oppose a good friend after all. He told them that the Friend could get away with anything if there is no wrong in the eyes of his followers, which Lucifer believes will spell out the death of freedom within the Pantheon. He implored them that their groups should stand their ground against him unless they find themselves forced to sing the Friend’s song as well.
  Lucifer: I always wondered if the phrases along the lines of Mother Russia Makes You Strong were something ought to be proud about. Is it true strength that is derived from suffering or is it becoming numb to the constant boots of authoritarians being stamped on people’s faces over and over? Why am I on this random analogy, you ask? Because that is who Friend is. He is the boot that will stamp us over and over until we’re numb if he wins.
• Keeping the answer to himself and himself alone apparently, not even the current supporters of the Friend know what he looks like underneath. The Friend never specified why he wore a mask, yet it was an accepted quirk of his from everybody. Back with his initial Friendship Democratic Party, his inner circle knew what he looked like underneath yet in the Pantheon, the Friend has never exposed it to anybody. There are two known identities of the Friend, both being Japanese men. There is Tetsuya “Fukubei” Hattori and Katsumata Tadanobu, two Childhood Friends that were unhinged mentally due to circumstances that are tragic though a bit overblown compared to what they do later in life. It is usually assumed that after Fukubei was killed, Katsumata took over as the identity of the Friend afterward through surgical alteration, which disillusioned those who knew Fukubei as the Friend. However, there are alternative facts (no, this is not part of the fake news bits) that entirely change this dynamic. Contradicting information brings up that Fukubei died when he was young, so Katsumata was always the Friend, meaning Katsumata was also a capable psychic like Fukubei. Not that this matters considering that somebody entirely different may be the Friend, even if their mannerisms, appearance, and voice match them. This became so contested for the Court of the Gods who could discern his identity, so the Friend was ranked as Greater God by his sheer authority and freakishly elusive nature, rather than being Lesser God or a Demigod as they could be wrong on either answer or even both. The Friend is more of an idea than a person to the masses anyhow, so the Greater status fits well.
• Instead of his push for the Pantheon to be more democratic being rejected by the Court of the Gods, it only furthered the discussion on the placement of a democratic leader. Of course, the Court of the Gods is seen as the highest authority in the Pantheon, though they do not dictate how the economic plans, security plans, or creation laws or bills. They get around this by hearing every individual plea for parties, yet trying to make everyone happy is a balancing act. Left versus right, capitalist versus socialist, pedophile versus sane people are just some opposing ideologies they have to contend with. Having a concrete elected leader would help the Court of the Gods immensely, though what makes them highly concerned is the competitiveness to be the ruling party. The politics of the Pantheon are already zany without a positional race, so having an official election to be ruler might as well be inviting a potential war. What makes the Court of the Gods more confident in democracy working is the Friend, whose party gained popularity the likes unheard of in the Pantheon. Heroes believe he will bring a bright future, villains believe is a great benefactor, bidding citizens believe he will bring harmony, and autonomy supporters believe that he will grant more freedoms. Of course, the Court of the Gods is not surprised that the Friend has ulterior motives for this democratization (as all politicians do), though they are confident that they can stamp out whatever attempts the Friend may have that infringe upon the set harmony of the Pantheon that they enforce. That said, it is not unheard of institutions being dismantled from the inside despite believing that their authority is protected.
  Child: Can we please have a fair, uncorrupted election where everyone accepted the result?
  Reality: *laughs*
• Relevant to the Friend’s character, he and Johan Liebert are obviously in cahoots with each other due to their similarities in regards to being frighteningly charismatic individuals who only want to harm the world around themselves. There is a bigger elephant in the room that connects them though that is rather lazy to state. Their similar traits are pronounced, though their differences are more underlined. Johan Liebert’s hatred for humans drove him to force people to experience the worst of humanity. On the other hand, the Friend strove to be labeled as the greatest of all villains, propped up by humanity as their oppressive savior. Of course, as much as Johan would like to say he was ambitious, being heralded as the Adolf Hitler falls short of being crowned President of the World. Johan keeps the Friend’s true nature to himself for the sake of wanting to see whatever chaos the Friend brings, though even he might be intimidated by the Friend after having one particular conversation with him.
  Johan: It’s strange. I can tell you are the man who stands above others, yet I cannot discern what your intentions are. If you are the Friend that is.
  Friend: I also noticed something, Johan Liebert. If I could call you that?
  Johan: What are you implying?
  Friend: Johan Liebert, the Serial Killer J, the Monster, whatever you call yourself is not the same person who killed all those people throughout Europe. The person who I am speaking with is an imposter.
  Johan: And how do you come to that conclusion?
  Friend: Because Johan Liebert would never let himself leave messy bedsheets like this morning.
• Investigating the chemical attacks during Red Jubilee, Chris Redfield became incredibly suspicious that Umbrella Corp was involved with the incident upon finding chemicals that surprisingly matched with writings found within the Umbrella Archives that Chris had access to. Believing that Birkin and even Wesker were involved, Chris, his sister, and Leon Kennedy went to conduct their investigations against him. What they ended up finding was meetings between the Friend and Wesker, solidifying conduction between them. It does not necessarily implicate the Friend's involvement, though Chris was unable to hear or record the actual conversation between them. Jill and Leon overheard Birkin state that he is preparing what are likely more biological weapons to use, though that still does not connect Umbrella with the Friend. They want to bring the mastermind behind that terrorism to justice, though truly decisive evidence always slips from their fingers. They want to find that evidence fast before the Friend attained the power to suppress anything negative against him. As for why Umbrella went to create biological weapons meant to be used for terrorism, Chris could only theorize that Umbrella Corp would be bailed out by the Friendship Democratic Party so that the company may be seen as a legitimate enterprise again.
• Many would assume that Friend’s popularity was only limited. If everybody attained a cultish following from a party taking swift action during a crisis, then you would get a lot of Character Shilling in the history books. However, what makes the Friend different was his push afterward that extended past chemical attack treatments. Though it was inevitable that the economy would have stagnated after (normal after a tragedy), the Friendship Democratic Party managed to keep these reductions negligible since his party funded the continued protection of trade routes and trade cargo with minimum cost to other parties, thus delivering a confident message to everyone on the party's goodwill. The symbol of the Friendship Democratic Party is also plastered onto the equipment and security made sure even the most unknowledgeable person is aware of the Friend's influence. The Friendship Democratic Party eventually stopped doing the security details for free, yet their prices were so reasonable (and not price inflating-obnoxious) that their security stayed and managed to wipe off the debt of the party in only two months. The symbol of the Friend became a literal meme in its own right, with the symbol being seen by everyone as both an ironic and unironic praise for them. Even architecture has the symbol of the Friend built onto them for the sake of it. Of course, people would be up in arms about it this and while some intellectuals (or simply, intelligent people) are, most people welcome him because the Friendship Democratic Party managed to keep gas prices down. As Cosmos put it, "Freedom is something willing to die for, but surprisingly easy to trade in."
• An odd instance of doing something nonpolitical, the Friend invited the Beatles over to have them all under the same roof together. Those who know the Friend was alarmed, because Kenji Endou, the great opponent of the Friend whom Friend had hunted down him and his associates for more than a decade was into what is considered retro musicians like Marc Bolan or The Rolling Stones (Band). Having a nice meal with the now split band, Friend only asked one of them to at least say the lyrics of one of their songs, because having the Beatles there and not hearing them sing one song might as well be sacrilege. It was fortunate for the band that Paul McCartney had a guitar with him and started singing the requested song. Suddenly during the song, the Friend went to burst into tears over it. Saying their goodbyes, the Beatles were quite disturbed over their experience with the Friend, comparing it to a more ominous version of when they toured the Philippines when it was run by Ferdinand Marcos except something was more blatantly wrong on the surface.
  Friend: Gutalala, Sudalala...
• Cultivating Friend's image be seen as a hero is what seems to be the overall goal of the Friendship Democratic Party. Similarly to how Friend ran his regime back when the Friendship Democratic Party took over the world, the Friend's heroic reputation pushed the population to acknowledge him to a cultish level. When the Friend eventually became President of the World, the history books were rewritten to demonize all of his enemies and present him as the apex of human goodness. Even when those in his inner circle knew of his mania, they were all caught in the Friend' charisma even if he ordered them to murder the citizens they were meant to protect. Aku who had taken over the world and also tried to push for a better image found the Friend to be a very brilliantly evil person which says a lot coming from himself. Then again, it was not as if Aku tried to hide that he was evil to people, it was just that those he hated had a higher reputation than he had which he wanted to fix. Aku knows that the Friend is promoting such an image so that he can repeat the same plan once more, as a way to what Aku surmises as "winning a game that he lost last time." That said, Aku is miffed that even kids saw through him when he tried playing off being a hero while the Friend whose title is a god of betraying others by presenting them as a friend is somehow swept under a rug by some brilliant propaganda. If the Friend were Aku's minion, he would have be in charge of the advertisement department. Instead, Aku is left wanting to see if what is probably labeled as the Pantheon Total Extinction plan pans out.
• Running around the Pantheon to investigate the attack on the cargo ships, Solid Snake hoped to find whatever happened to the cargo. Though stealing goods in an organized attack is already a serious crime, the terror of the day would have been more felt if the public was disclosed what was stolen. The cargo ships attacked held transported munitions and materials for weapon development. Being the founder of anti-Metal Gear organization Philanthropy, Snake went to find out where it was. Snake would have personally interrogated those involved in the attack but Melkor shot down that action already. His investigation led him to a factory and he found several giant robots that looked awfully familiar to the giant robot that the Friend designed to spread his biological weapon around the world. Metal Gears or not, Snake went to grab as many explosives as he could and then proceeded to blow up the factory off the face of existence. That said, Snake noted that even with how expensive Metal Gear development is, those cargo ships held a lot more than what was seen in the factory. So in all likelihood, more of those robots are hiding around the Pantheon, with him racing to destroy all of them before they could be used against people.
• Even though he does not interfere with these sorts of things usually, Professor Charles Xavier went to one of the Friend's rallies where he appeared and tried to read his mind as discreetly as possible. Even though the Friend is known to have decent if nothing extraordinary psychic power over himself, Xavier was especially suspicious of not feeling a hint of resistance when he entered the Friend's mind. When prying his mind, all that Professor X saw was a white room with only a mirror in it. When Xavier looked into the mirror, all he saw was that his reflection's face was replaced by a featureless sphere. When Xavier exited the mind, the rally was over. It was night and on the stage was the Friend, staring down at him in the same position. The Friend stated that despite the psychic infiltration, the rally went off without a hitch, and that Friend deployed his psychic field for most people to ignore their presence. Xavier demanded an answer as to how he could resist his psychic power as the Friend's psychic power is only reported to be about bending his spoons and having premonitions. It is even stated that the Friend's daughter was potentially more powerful than he was in this regard. The Friend laughed and only stated that the Pantheon opened his mind to many things. Then suddenly, Professor X woke up, back at the rally in the daytime as the Friend continued his speech as if nothing happened, much to the disturbance the man. Was the Friend being protected by another psychic party? Had the Friend acquired great psychic power than Professor X can fathom? There are so many questions, yet he can answer none with confidence.
• An enduring rival against the Friend, Frank Underwood despises the fact that the Friendship Democratic Party had upstaged his own on nearly every front. He knows that the Friend never insinuated this himself, but so many supporters point to politicians like him as being decrepit and useless when the Friend acted too quickly, furthering his frustration against what he singled out as "the too educated youths" (although multiple generations support the Friend).
  Underwood: God, please give the Friend cancer so I can be president...
  Friend: I am right next to you.
• Although everyone would popularly believe YHVH only wants people to worship himself, YHVH has given his support to the Friendship Democratic Party as he sees them as nothing but a boon for law. YHVH values law being established more than outright worship and was impressed how much chaos was quelled due to the Friend's quick actions. That said, everyone sees that the Friendship Democratic Party are far away from what YHVH usually directly supports, separating him from what the Friend intends. The irony is that people can see this difference yet do not see the Friend as this obviously evil cult leading backstabber that he is literally titled as such. YHVH knows about this and does not mind as long as order persists.
• There is nobody who frustrates Nekron as of late than with the Friend as Nekron sees so much potentially within the politician. The man has the ambition and knowledge to kill everyone across the planet, yet what Nekron sees is this wannabe who only wants to hype himself up as the greatest villain ever to the populace after betraying them, thus giving him satisfaction as he is sent to hell. Nekron has no problem, and him leavin death and destruction behind to up his image is even less of a problem. Nekron is like an impatient parent who wants to see their child conform to be a college-level genius at elementary school in regards to his opinion over the Friend. He wants the Friend to kill many, yet that is taking forever for Nekron who only wants the results instead of waiting for them.
• Evil folks who want dystopia like Wiseman and Moebius have tried their best to feed the Friend advice on how to bring the world to ruin through manipulations, though the Friend distances himself from them as much as he feels like they may be a "toxic influence." What he means by this is that their ideas might sway him so much, that the Friend might actually have him act as a villain instead of a hero that he has spent so much time building himself up as. If there is to be dystopia, it would be the "Friend way", which nobody knows what that means. Also, the final straw for the Friend may have been made when Wiseman and Moebius asked the Friendship Democratic Party to mint their own cryptocurrency and make a pyramid scheme with it. Even the Friend is not that villainous.
• People against the Friend wondered if the Friend was a really good agent of Darkseid considering what the Friend stands for. It would not be so out of place considering that Darkseid's minions invaded Earth as friendly faces meant to secretly sow discord across the population. Of course, Darkseid replied to these theories as a no, even though he would really like someone like the Friend as an agent. That is not to say he is unconfirming that the Friend is a similar maniac like himself, though the Friend's supporters used it as an excuse that this proves that the Friend is ultimately, a benevolent individual.
• From the moment he knew of him, the Master has been particularly jealous of the natural charisma of the Friend and all the benefits that came with it. The Master had to forge the identity of Harold Saxon and had to install an entire network of satellites so that people are inclined to vote for him as prime minister. The Master on a whim could try to expose the villainous connections that the Friendship Democratic Party has but relented when it was informed that if he tried to leak a single sentence, his wrongdoings would be made apparent to his very much vengeful allies.
  Melkor: You embezzled a fourth of the healthcare fund for whaling? So that we have more delectable sushi on the marketplace?
  The Master: Not exactly...
• Regarding one of the strongest allies of the Friend, a person who helped him immensely as leader of his security detail, is Diego Brando. Diego Brando seems like a random addition to his party, yet Diego has a good reason as to why he works for the Friend. That reason is that Diego Brando would be promoted and would be supported by the Friend as a candidate for being governor of Manhattan once the Friendship Democratic Party takes over. Diego Brando was promised the island at one point in a treacherous deal, and he still wants to essentially rule that territory. The Friend went to him specifically to provide security for him and his closest cronies, with Diego's Stand power being capable of providing hawkish security for them. Of course, Diego Brando agreed much to the dismay of Lucifer himself who is vehemently opposed to the Friend's tactics. However, it is not as if Lucifer can do anything about it as he actively encourages treachery, so he just gives a constant Death Glare at Diego whenever they see each other. On a lighter note, the Friendship Democratic Party made a pretty good mint of dinosaur merchandise due to dinosaur paraphilia being everywhere as a result of Diego's powers.
• If many compare politicians to clowns, then there would hence be many special effects meant to dazzle audiences. A person who helps the Friend's campaign is Mysterio whose great effects enhance the Friend's already natural charisma. Mysterio's special effects even brought people to believe that the Friend can levitate and even survive being hanged. Yes, people are dumb. These tricks have even elevated Friend to a Messianic Archetype status that has brought nothing but good fortune for him and his associates like Mysterio. Mysterio even offers advice on what is wise for what the Friend may or may not say.
  Friend: Does mentioning the Five Nights at Freddy's series inspire the next generation or-
  Mysterio: Shut up about that.
• Ending the world seems to be the endgame of the Friend at some point in time, yet it cannot be similar to what he deployed. Deadly pandemics in the Pantheon are curable at some point and whatever lethality behind pandemics is out the window. The Friend knows that making a bomb meant to annihilate the Pantheon will be undone too, so to make the true end of times, he has to find out every way to destroy existence. Going to Keel Lorenz, the Friend made it clear he wanted to end the world but lied over the intention of wanting to elevate the elite few beyond godhood. SEELE then gave the Friend information on the Third Impact and such and directed him towards Yui Ikari if he wanted to know how to bring the apocalypse. He was very upfront about his intentions, which initially led her to decline whatever research he wanted her to hand over, though relented when the Friend presented a compelling argument. Villains almost always never win in the end after all, and his plans would likely not pl
• Notable, the Friend requested multiple times to have the Patriots hacked to bring about a more safe era for the Pantheon. Considering how near-omniscient these AI are, most people would not be as okay with turning the entire Pantheon into a surveillance state though the Friend stated that it would not be used for that and it would be used to enhance the surveillance measures already in place. Plus, he presented the compelling argument that the Patriots would just run around literally funding wars if they do not do anything about it. A person who sees through the Friend's intentions is Steven Armstrong who believes that the Friend may be an even worst replacement for the Patriots if he gets his way. Instead of resorting to violence, Armstrong knows to be a politician is with politics of his own. So whenever the Friend tries to gain ground, Armstrong is there to impede his path. This would be a good thing... if Armstrong was not Armstrong to put it into the best of words.
  Friend: What is your source stating that kindergarteners beating each other is positive reinforcement?
  Armstrong: SOURCE?! My source is this peer-reviewed article that I have right here.
• Does the Friend have one regret in his political career? That would be bringing a certain Gul Dukat under his party, who is genuinely a charismatic man in his own right. He did run an occupied planet after all. However, the number of times that the Friend had to make sure that Gul Dukat's breakdowns and flirtatious attitude are kept under wraps is exhausting. The man may as well be a ticking time bomb that they cannot get rid of since Dukat is ingrained in the Friendship Democratic Party as one of its faces. Additionally, the Friend has a Cardassian tailor who he is 100% sure was a spy but keeps being told by the tailor that he is just a simple tailor. The Cardassian at least can make a truly decent suit to wear.
• "If you want to understand, then open your heart. If you want to understand, then it’s a hop, skip, and jump of the heart! If you want to understand, then bathe regularly. If you want to understand, then believe in “Friend”. Call it out, 10 times: “I’m dead”. Then close your eyes. Can you see anything? This world will soon be heading towards its end. You all will defiantly come to an end. I know this as I am your “Friend”."

@CrimsonShark I'll see what my research would take me but I think Freddie Mercury is famous enough to take the title, imo.

My response to the YouTube celebrity thing is that, it won't matter anyway since other Tropers had decided that a popularity or unpopularity of a character or person shouldn't be a main factor in their ascension. Popularity is plus for the likelyhood of ascension but what matters is whether or not they have enough interactions to warrant being added to the project.

Also, Hanna is probably just worried that the profile or project would be raided by Loony Fans or something which is why they mentioned wanting to "personally deal with it" once a subject goes "political". Again, I'm fine with deletion if necessary.

But I would like to point out, works like Undertale and Steven Universe with problematic fandoms have profiles here just fine, so take that if you will.

@M1gamiTensei

I'm still giving you my

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Sep 7th 2022 at 7:51:43 PM

I see the Sharo reference in your profile. I'll let it slide for now. for the creepy friend.

Question about votes:

The "Rules" folder on Pantheon.Trope Pantheons says:

For new and reworked deities, 3 means the profile will have a one-week waiting period.
For new and reworked deities, 4 is a 3 day waiting period.

Does that mean 1 week/3 days after the deity was posted in the thread, or 1w/3d after it hit that number of tups? Because you could get 1 vote on the day you post someone and then 2 more the next day. I just want to make sure.

I am assuming it's the former, because the "getting 1 the first day and 2 s the next" is a very rare scenario (profiles usually get their s on the day they're posted). It does sound kinda vague when you brought that up though.

@M1gami: I think you missed my earlier feedback regarding how The Glukkons would want Friend's support to give appeal to their own products, and both Anarky and V seeing through Friend's deception and opposing his ideas of unity. Add that in and you can have my

Edited by Necromancer10 on Sep 7th 2022 at 8:57:05 AM

Friend

Edited by SailorVenus372 on Sep 7th 2022 at 6:02:33 AM

Just hope that the moistcritical fans here arent still mad at me for getting rid of him.

say, shouldn’t Made in Abyss be in the Hype Prevention Sandbox? season 2 is currently airing, though i’ve recently thought about giving riko, reg, and nanachi a profile and redoing bondrewd’s but wouldn’t it be best to wait until season 2 is finished airing?

Rlock is going to rework Bondrewd and make a group profile for Riko, Reg, and Nanachi.

Stan has been reworked

@lawliet. You do realize the difference between your examples and the Youtuber situation is? MJ's accusations have little weight but still has great influence in his music catalogue. Same with Mayhem and the interesting dynamic of Death Metal as a genre. Meanwhile Birth of a Nation is a fictional retelling of the same novel which was based on past history of Confederalist America. Notice how these examples have historical tones/influence and some fictionality in it. Youtubers change on a dime and are far more prone to change than the average musician/feature film, not to mention online influence.

A film like Salo or Cannibal Holocaust are exempted because of fictional undertones despite their delivery and fictional works in the Pantheon are based by execution and if other more worthy choices are available. Youtubers do not fit unless they are a legacy channel (i.e current state Pewdiepie) which unfortunately, the current state of most "content creators" are not.

Late response but I needed to correct some portions of your argument.

Popularity should never be the basis for ascension. That is already a given. We've already seen what RWBY, Undertale and Persona 5 have done when it comes to hype ascensions.

Edited by HamanaHamanaHamana on Sep 8th 2022 at 6:32:09 PM

It's okay and you got a good point there and I do agree with that.

The next question would be, what counts as a Legacy Channel anyway? Does a YouTuber need a certain amount of years (starting from when they first became an active content creator amd not just when they created the channel) to be eligible? I feel if we are bringing YouTubers back, would it be better to put restrictions on this so that we can prevent any schuck with a youtube channel from getting in unless their channel is proven to be culturally relevant.

Also, my point still stands on the other post regarding how popularity or celebrity status should not be a factor on ascension.

Edited by lawliet-saw-whet on Sep 8th 2022 at 8:14:21 PM

And look how swimmingly RWBY came out after Monty's death. It's crap.

YouTube is an insanely competitive platform and contributors are very prone to Crippling Overspecialization in either one specific genre or work that they comment/interact on. This explains why several channels tend to go through changes because they need to find a way to reach out to new audiences unless they want to remain derivative and stale. Musicians seem to be an exception as being an artist means you have to really affirm your talent and craft and your working field doesn't really change save for videos that are not to do with music, but limitations are required either way (we know that Austin Jones is never getting in due to... reasons, though I'm personally not interested enough in the guy, to begin with).

As for content like Salo and Cannibal Holocaust, there is also a limit to that, albeit not as big as real-life people, namely that the work needs to tell a plot/story first and foremost and that most anything is fine. The limit ahead, after all, consists of hardcore pornography, extreme gore, excessive real-life cruelty, and snuff films that barely have a plot (if they're fictional) and exist for the sake of exploitation that we can't suggest due to how much they would impact our ethical standards and procedures put into the Pantheon. Salo and Holocaust, while very visceral films and exploitative to some extent, have a plot and reason behind the events of the movie and there's more to them than just shock factor.

I'm not having a go at you, just putting out some thoughts of mine and expanding on what you said.

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