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open Complete Monster image changed to Boss Baby Western Animation
On the Complete Monster subpage for Marvel Animation, there seems to have been a mistake, as now the page image is The Boss Baby, when it's supposed to be Ultron from Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow. Looking at the Sandbox page, it doesn't look like somebody changed the image. The image pickin' thread also had the image replaced. So, I think what happened was that somebody uploaded the Boss Baby picture and it shared the same URL as the Ultron image, so it automatically replaced it.
Since the original image was a custom collage, could somebody upload the original picture so we can bring it back to normal?
Edited by chasemaddiganresolved Start of an Edit War/Possible Sockpuppet? Western Animation
Hello! So I recently posted this in the "Is this an Example?" thread, and haven't really got replies, though they have been leaning to my side.
I found something that screams shoehorning from a biased source.
From the YMMV page of The Owl House:
- Broken Aesop: The Series Finale has two major ones;
- Earlier in the series, the show railed against the concept of a Chosen One, and said that people should carve out their own paths. Just before the climax however, it's revealed that the remnants of the dead Titan has been actively helping Luz in learning Magic and has picked her to be the one to stand up against Belos. Guess what? That makes her a fucking CHOSEN ONE!!!
- After Belos is defeated and no longer a threat, he starts begging for Luz to save him from death, saying that is she doesn't, she'll be just as "evil" as the witches, and "We're Human, we're better than this!", only for Eda and friends to push Luz aside, smugly say to Belos "Well we ain't!" and then gleefully stomp him to death and laugh, proving that despite everything the show preached, in his final moments, they proved that everything Belos said had some merit of truth to it.
Two huge problems with this. First, it's very clearly overly hostile and biased against the show judging by it's language, and attempting to whitewash Belos by suggesting he has a point. Secondly, both examples are taken completely out of context to form a rhetorical strawman. The first one isn't an example because she wasn't born with any special destiny. She only got the Titan's approval due to being her kind and loving self, especially to his son. The second is just plainly absurd. It's attempting to play moral judgement on some of the people who have suffered the most under the genocidal psychopath, when he had just made his second attempt to commit genocide against their species.
I took the liberty of removing the example from the YMMV page. Now that would be fine on it's own, even if I heavily disagree with it... If it weren't for this entry literally being a copy paste of something that was posted on the main page of the show which the troper Gamermaster removed. The weird part is that it was copy pasted onto the YMMV page by an entirely different user, and the first user has a total of two edits on their entire edit history, both of which are super hostile to modern Disney properties. Later on the person who posted it on the main Owl House page posted it right back on the YMMV page exactly as is without going to the "Is this an Example?" thread, and added further shoehorning. I removed those too... but now I am wondering if this is some sort of sockpuppeting situation due to the reasons listed above. At the very least it could warp into an Edit War.
openNo Title Western Animation
I'd noticed for a while that the page for Sonic the Hedgehog (SatAM) seemed to have a massive Sinkhole problem with a large majority of the written examples being unnecessarily linked to other pages on the site, images off the site, youtube videos and in one case an MP3 music file. This had gotten to the point where you could see entire sentences that were Blue-Linked.
So yesterday I spent some time removing the Sinkholes. Only now it seems Eagle70 who appears to have been the one who first added the Sinkholes. Both to the page as it is currently, and back a few months ago when the page was WesternAnimation.Sonic Sat AM.
The reason that they've given is that they feel those links gave clarity to the examples, and that removing them turns them into Zero-Context Examples. Except that reading the examples they still understandable without the links, and in most case the links don't provide anymore context than what was written.
Also if the examples require going to another page or off-site entirely in order to understand the example, then that just strikes me as poorly written and I'm fairly certain violates Weblinks Are Not Examples.
There's also the fact that several tropes they've linked to include YMMV items like Broken Base, Seasonal Rot, Suspiciously Similar Song, Ethnic Scrappy, I Am Not Shazam etc. that should be included on the main page as it's supposed to be collecting objective trope examples only.
Also some of the Sinkhole aren't even being used correctly, for example several times when an example has talked about two characters being similar in personality to one another they've linked it to Not So Different, except Not So Different is an In-Universe Examples Only trope where in the characters within the work openly acknowledge the similarities - something which doesn't seem to be occurring in any of the example that they've linked that trope to.
In another example I removed a link to I Am Not Shazam because it's talking about fans assuming some character names that were changed for Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog are actually from this show, when I Am Not Shazam is supposed to be when people incorrectly assume a work has a Character Title and call the main character by the title even if they have a completely different name.
They added back the I Am Not Shazam example with this edit reason:
Despite Square Peg, Round Trope saying this:
I think they also might be ban-evading as well, since their edits seem similar to that of EggoManiac who had previously edited WesternAnimation.Sonic Sat Am in the same manner, and was reported for issues with Example Indentation and Natter.
openPossible ban evader? Western Animation
pelacurtis66 shares some oddly similar behavior with ashaunti, a recurring ban-evader. They've got similar editing tics on The Simpsons-related articles: constant run-on sentences and long rants about Bart being mistreated (also, an uncited Unfortunate Implications entry). Can I get an IP check?
Edited by N8han11openQuestionable negative YMMV and Trivia edits on MOTUR pages Western Animation
The Trivia and YMMV pages for WesternAnimation.Masters Of The Universe Revelation have some edits that line up with… certain views.
Tropers/Pren added this to Trivia:
- Lying Creator: Kevin Smith spent months before the show's debut shouting from the hilltops that the show was all about He-Man, and dismissing rumors that the show would actually have Teela as the main character. The reveal that he was lying his ass off naturally caused a huge split between people furious about it, or laughing and being willing to give the new approach a shot.
Context: On Twitter, Kevin Smith has infamously tweeted directly at bad faith users (mostly people accusing it of being "woke", worries that MOTUR is actually "The Teela Show"/"not He-Man's show" (which is even listed on the YMMV page under Memetic Mutation), etc.) and he's stated Teela is important and that He-Man isn't sidelined. The first half of the show turned out to be about Teela and the rest of the cast coping with the loss of Adam/He-Man until he returns at the end of that first half. He appears in person and with a major role in two out of those five episodes, and everything else is flashbacks or talking about what he meant to the other characters.
YMMV also has some concerning edits (also about Kevin Smith apparently lying), but they've been mixed with mentions of opposing views and vice versa, so I'm not sure what to make of these.
Again, most of the vocal negative discussion around MOTUR is about Teela being the main in Adam/He-Man's absence for reasons you'd expect. It's one thing to be disappointed with the lack of He-Man in his own show, but shouldn't we be careful about platforming these sort of complaints? We should also keep in mind that his sister show's reboot is also a huge target of racism/sexism/homophobia and that their fandoms/hatedoms have overlap.
Edited by CommanderVisoropen Does this "controversy" exist or is it artificial/one-sided fanwank? Western Animation
On the YMMV pages for the 1980s She-Ra: Princess of Power and reboot She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, it says that the fandoms for the show don't get along? Some time ago, Tropers/anthonyjr343 and Tropers/need2reed added these to the original She-Ra YMMV page:
- Fandom Rivalry: Many fans of original She-Ra and current She-Ra do not get along at all. This is likely due to controversial remarks made by Noelle Stevenson with further rivalry fueled by Melendy Britt's vocal criticisms of the new series.
- Harsher in Hindsight: The show's popularity with the LGBT fanbase, in regards to Melendy Britt's criticism of the Netflix series containing rants that could be taken as homophobic simply because the new series has lesbian characters, which she vocally disapproved of.
As someone in the reboot's fandom (though not a closely dedicated follower, though I'm friends with people who are and I know most of the discourse), the YMMV pages were the first I'd ever heard of Britt having a negative opinion on the reboot.
Even after doing research on itTL;DR She wrote a Facebook post saying the reboot crew aren't real fans because of the insults they made to the original in promotional articles and she wrote another hoping the Masters of the Universe: Revelation crew wouldn't act the same. The reboot crew is known for poking fun at the original in a similar way that later Transformers media pokes fun at Transformers: Generation 1 or later DC Comics pokes fun at something like Super Friends, also considering Britt doesn't seem to use social media much (her FB is mostly just the occasional "She-Ra loves you" type of post) and most of the fans she's ever interacted with are '80s-'90s kids, so it honestly seems like a generational misunderstanding to me., I still can't find any discourse about her views on the reboot outside of a few original-only fans weaponizing her word against it.
I also can't find anything about Melendy Britt saying anything remotely homophobic (the only thing I've found of her talking about the LGBT community is a post she made on Facebook saying she and She-Ra support Pride).
Keeping in mind that the reboot has been a huge target of rampant racism, sexism, and homophobia, I have suspicions that these entries about minimal and nonexistent incidents are just there to cause drama and frame a poor light on the people involved.
I've previously edited anything about these subjects on the reboot's YMMV and Trivia page to clarify them (they originally resembled what the original show's pages looked like), but now I'm bringing this here before I edit the OG show's in case I've been missing something the whole time.
open Edit War Western Animation
For the past several days spiralvampire has been edit-warring in the High Guardian Spice page, removing audience reaction tropes.
- The first time the user did this, they more or less erased 3/4 of the page before it was reverted.
- The same user made a dedicated clean-up thread, was told to go to the complaining thread to voice their concerns and haven't done so.
- Instead they get rid of the tropes again unilaterally in two different edits, only the second edit was reverted. In the third edit, they add a Periphery Hatedom entry that comes off more as a personal rant and a case of Complaining About People Not Liking the Show. Only reason I don't revert it again is because the page is edit locked by a different user as I write this.
open TinyLittleLetters Western Animation
Tiny Little Letters makes a lot of edits on Tangled: The Series pages. I deleted shoehorns here, here, here, here, and here— darn, I cut a lot; have I grown trigger-happy? I wrote an edit reason for each deletion though. But what I want to talk about is that I suspect this troper does Draco in Leather Pants.
- Here, meet Rapunzel the Death Eater who makes the poor Varian suffer.
- Laser-Guided Karma: Done en masse. Toward the end of Season 1, the people of Corona turned their backs on Varian and denied him when he begged them for help. Now, he's allied himself with the Saporians and has taken over the kingdom, with Corona's citizens being forced to mine crystals for Varian's chemicals so the Saporians can use them to their advantage.
A few days ago, the same troper added this on YMMV.Tangled The Series:
- Catharsis Factor:
- After seeing them display disturbing Lack of Empathy towards his problems in the second half of Season 1, with King Frederic hunting down Varian for the Demanitus Scroll and chasing him out of his own home, and Rapunzel never checking on Varian after Zhan Tiri's blizzard was over (thus abandoning him for months on end), as well as expressing little-to-no concern for his well-being even when seeing Quirin encased in amber, Varian gloating in their faces over abducting Queen Arianna is quite satisfying, especially when he taunts Frederic to his face and puts Rapunzel through physical pain while using her hair as a drill. This also goes true for Varian, in his giant automaton, grabbing Arianna away from them, after they'd shared a warm and long hug right in front of him as he breaks down over failing to free his father.
So, what to do about this? Maybe I should talk to this troper but I don't know how. "Even if you're grief-stricken, it's not nice to enslave and kill innocent people?"
openCharacter Page Vandalism Western Animation
axwi07 made deletions to Voltron: Legendary Defender - Team Voltron, likely motivated by shipping. Notably removing any entries referring to Shiro and Keith's relationship as platonic or to the fact that Shiro ended up with someone else (I have my own various thoughts about those two relationships but regardless, what's official is what's official; canon doesn't care about quality or subtext and trope pages are not the place to share your personal criticisms). The most generous one I can give them is the decision to leave off Heterosexual Life-Partners given that Shiro is not heterosexual, but the trope itself points out that it doesn't care about such things.
I could easily revert it myself but I think a proper warning is worth having given the fact that we've had other shipping-based vandalism for this work in the recent past. Let them report to their fellow shipper brethren that this kind of behavior is not to be tolerated.
Edited by AlleyOopopenComplaining Western Animation
Is it just me, or does this have a bit of complaining?
From YMMV.Onward:
- Disney revealing that they would have their "first" LGBTQ character in this film, only for it to be an inconsequential and ugly background character led to many mocking memes on twitter.
- Her being a cop didn't help, due to the high profile cases of police brutality against minorities causing the LGBT community to despise them.
- To say nothing of the fact that this is the no less than seventh time Disney has claimed their latest movie contained their “first” LGBT character for cheap rehashed publicity (for the record, each of those previous “firsts” were also inconsequential background characters as well).
- Disney revealing that they would have their "first" LGBTQ character in this film, only for it to be an inconsequential and ugly background character led to many mocking memes on twitter.
It calls the character "ugly", and it claims that Disney is "cheap" and "rehashed". I think this is really bashy.
Edited by Mickoonsley19openMr "toned yet long shapely legs" needs to go Western Animation
I see this guy overusing this creepy description for female characters ALL the time. Every single character description that includes Ms Fanservice and Male Gaze he has to add this creepy description
"buxom breast, buxom body, high rear end, toned and long yet shapely legs" Somebody stop him before he jizzes all over the website.
"very big breasts, ripped broad shoulders, voluptuous yet toned body, and long toned yet shapely legs."
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Tamara
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/ScarletWitch
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Music/Rihanna
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/MsFanservice/ComicBooks?from=MsFanservice.Comics
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/MsFanservice/WesternAnimation
On DCAU's Wonder Woman's Ms Fanservice section:https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/DCAUWonderWoman
-Diana is a tall, very beautiful raven-haired Amazonian woman who gets a significant amount of Male Gaze in the series due to the fact that she usually wears a strapless leotard that highlights her very large breasts, voluptuous yet toned athletic body, impressive hourglass figure, long toned yet shapely legs, toned broad shoulders, and nicely toned buttocks.
On DCAU's Black Canary https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/JusticeLeagueTheLeague
Ms Fanservice: Her character design has to be one of the most obvious example of this trope in the series through the fact that she is a very beautiful, blonde-haired woman who wears an outfit that highlights her voluptuous body, buxom breasts, long toned yet shapely legs, and nice rear end.
Male Gaze: She tends to get subjected to these, mainly via camera shots that are focused on her voluptuous body, buxom breasts, curves, nice rear end, and long toned yet shapely legs.
On Gwen Stacy: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SpiderManLoveInterestsMs. Fanservice: Gwen is a very beautiful blonde-haired woman who wears outfits (particularly skirts with thigh-high socks and boots as well as dresses) that highlight her very voluptuous body and nice legs.
openHeadscratchers getting angry at other entries Western Animation
Over on Headscratchers.Toy Story 4 I noticed several entries getting angry at and arguing with one another, which i'm pretty sure isn't allowed even though it's a fairly anything-goes style thing.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.ToyStory4
"*** If we're accentuating the negatives, you're just plain ignoring them. It's one thing to say "I don't mind the contradiction" or even "I interpret this in a way where I don't see it as a contradiction," but you can't just dismiss other people's complaints by saying "There is no contradiction, period.""
"*** Dismissing is precisely what you've done. You can't just dismiss other people's not seeing a contradiction just because you want one to exist."
openThe Angriest Man on the Powerpuff Girls YMMV Page Western Animation
Gch1995 has been griping for about 10 days over the episode "Moral Decay" on YMMV.The Powerpuff Girls. Among other things, they've used This Troper, posted more than a few walls, Edit Warred, and potholed Character Derailment, which is Flame Bait.
openLGBTQ-Phobic Agenda-Based Editing Western Animation
Ry Rodrigo deleted LGBT Fanbase from Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse without an edit reason twice, including after someone restored it with a note telling them to provide an edit reason for it. This is an unambiguous edit war.
They have also gotten in trouble here for deleting LGBT-related entries without an edit reason so they are definitely troping with an agenda.
Do I have permission to restore the entry?
openRanty edit reasons on YMMV.RickAndMorty Western Animation
Mantyf deleted some examples on YMMV.Rick And Morty and left really long, complaining edit reasons. I sent him a rudeness notifier, but I'm not sure if his deletions were valid. Should I restore some of them?
openComplaining headscratchers on danny phantom Western Animation
So I was browsing the Danny Phantom pages and Danny Phantom page is really weird. We have a folder on "how can the major plotholes of this show pass muster" (which Im pretty sure isnt allowed due to complaining) , another one discussing fan characters (which seems really offtopic), another discussing why they didnt use another actor for one of the shows villains and asking why a character (Sam) is uh..divisive in fandom.
All this stuff seems to not have much to do with the actual show or is weirdly off topic and/or complaining.
openVandalism Western Animation
The troper The Dream Stone Fan PG 1 keeps adding some nonsensical vandalism on the Hotel Transylvania character sheet about new characters in the fourth movie. It's obviously fake since we know nothing about that movie yet, and his grammar is also pretty bad.
His edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=TheDreamStoneFanPG1
Edited by HvedekornopenIssues with a troper Western Animation
I wanted to to ask if it's possible to do something about Count Dorku 's posting regarding She-Ra and the Princesses of Power ? Every time I see his posts on the show (across several different pages, most recently, his edits on the Broken Aesop page for Masters of the Universe, the Western Animation page for Never My Fault, and the Western Animation section for Troubled Abuser), he's making lengthy posts bashing Catra and giving negative slants on her and Adora's relationship, along with extensive mini essays on his personal dislikes of the show's writing. He's been doing it on and off for over a year. I didn't want to complain, but his posting feels like it's crossing a line into Complaining About Shows You Don't Like and I want to avoid an Edit War or Flame War. Can something be done about it or should I just try to ignore him?
Edited by Manw0nameopenTrooper adding commented out entries. Western Animation
So in Miraculous Ladybug, the troper Cartoon Queen 99 keeps adding commented out trope examples.
I sent them a notifier to stop a few weeks back ,along with others and they were the only person to not respond back.
And notes were added to the pages not to do this as shown here but their still continuing to do this.
As shown in these edits. Their still continuing this.
Edited by miraculous
This thread is related to one that was made about TinyLittleLetters, a user who has since been banned, back in November. In fact, I originally posted the content of this thread as a follow-up to that one, but I got several replies suggesting that it would probably work better as it's own separate topic (since the last one was getting overly long), and I agreed with that, so the discussion has been moved here.
For the last couple of weeks, a new troper named Unicornia1 has been editing many of the same pages in the same fandoms that TinyLittleLetters did, with the same opinions as them, around the same time of the day as them - and they've been doing this ever since their account was brand new. It could just be a coincidence, and normally, I would probably dismiss it as one, but lately, I’ve started to suspect that they might be the same person because they share the same bias when it comes to Varian and Frederic, where it’s very obvious that they love the former and hate the latter.
Over the last few weeks, they’ve been slowly downplaying or erasing tropes that paint Varian’s actions from early in the series in a negative light, while they’ve swung to the opposite extreme with Frederic, slowly erasing any and all positive tropes associated with him, to the point where they deny that he grew any in the series at all past Season 1, to make it easier to bash his character as much as possible. In fact, one of the very first edits that Unicornia 1 ever made was removing Varian from the Draco In Leather Pants trope and Frederic from the Ron The Death Eater trope on Tangled: The Series’ YMMV page in regards to how the fandom sometimes treats them - which are the exact same edits that Tiny Little Letters made early on during their time on this wiki. The same can be said for an edit Tiny Little Letters made to Frederic’s folder in September, which Tenebrika deleted in December, which Unicornia 1 then restored in February. So that sets off some red flags.
Besides Frederic and Varian, they’ve also expressed a lot of the same opinions about Rapunzel (1, 2, 3), Cassandra (1, 2, 3), and Arianna (1, 2, 3 4) that Tiny Little Letters did before they were banned.
Suggesting that someone is a sockpuppet is a pretty serious accusation, and one that I don’t make lightly, but there seems to be a lot of signs pointing towards that - so could an IP check be done just to make sure that isn’t the case?
Edited by TheCoolKat1995