I'm vaguely remembering. I definitely remember the title "Kill Switch" and probably remember the part about the Inhaler too. I do wonder how many unique keepers Castle might have that were missed in the past at this point certainly.

Now I'm wondering again about Sophia Turner in the Season 4 two-parter "Pandora"/"Linchpin" since her scheme is to murder the young daughter of I think a nuclear physicist and in doing so, set off a chain of events that will lead to World War III and America surrendering.

That Law & Order episode was from Season 14 I think and it was called "Fluency".

Nobody corrected that after I pointed it out? I mean I could've I admit, so I'm not one to talk in that case.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Oct 11th 2021 at 9:12:43 AM

Hey guys, just want to point an error. The discussion date says that the What If series is to be discussed on the 27th of October, but the season 1 finale aired on October 6, so in actuality, the discussion date should be October 20th. Just wanted you all to be aware.

Just fixed it.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Oct 11th 2021 at 9:46:41 AM

First of all, she's horrible, and second of all, wow what a time to think about criminality involving vaccines.

Huh that's weird.

Could you please correct it.

to Baron Strucker, Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker, Batari, Felix Harmon, Jones and Professor Onikichi Kuroda.

Alright with Kuroda down, here's the next Winspector candidate.

Who is the villain?

Carla, the head of Secret Society Q. Carla is a mystic looking to bring about The End of the World as We Know It so she and her followers can build a new society from the ashes.

What does she do?

Carla was originally a woman named Miyuki Fukano who lived in the early part of the 20th century. Hearing of an immortal sage who lived in the mountain, Miyuki went and murdered him to steal his powers, naming herself "Carla" after.

Carla went on to form the Secret Society Q and began gathering followers. In the present day, Carla set in motion her plans to destroy and remake the world. She kidnapped five children each born on a Significant Birth Date and brought them to her lair, when she planned to perform a ritual to drain their life forces to increase her power. This would enable her to pull a meteor to Earth that would wipe out everyone except her and her followers on impact, allowing them to become the sole inhabitants of Earth. Luckily her plan was thwarted by the Winspector team, and Carla was ultimately killed when her powers wore off.

Heinous Standard

She tried bring about the end of the world in her one and only appearance, something that definitely puts her above the top in a show like Winspector, where most of the villains commit mundane crimes like theft or singular homicide. She also murdered at least one person in the past, and attempted to sacrifice five children for her plans.

Mitigating Factors

Carla claims she's doing what she's doing to curb overpopulation, though considering the excessive nature of the plan, and the fact that her ambitions seem more geared towards being the ruler of her new society, it's hard to really take it as mitigating in the face of her megalomania.

Final Verdict

Considering her actions are on a larger scale than most villains, she effectively tried to wipe out the whole human race, and she tried to kill children in the process, I'd say to her

Edited by ReddishGuy1 on Oct 11th 2021 at 9:58:56 AM

to Carla.

Found this on Squid Games YMMV, it was added by a Random troper so I'm assuming it was unapproved.

"** The VIPs who appear in the aptly named Episode 7 onward. A bunch of psychotic manchildren who find themselves bored of their everyday lives because their extreme wealth takes the fun out of living, so they take part in sponsoring the creation of a Deadly Game where they can bet and take joy on watching the poor and desperate players compete for the prize money or die trying, with absolutely zero remorse. One of them is even a Depraved Homosexual who enjoys preying on good-looking guards and forcing them to perform sexual favors on the threat of death, even when he already knows that he will set those guards up to be executed later for taking off their masks. Incapable of caring for human life in any way, they are the entire reason why the game existed in the first place.

Sadly it sounds like there's too many of them

Yes to Carla. Hell no to the VIPS.

Yeah to Carla.

Sure to Carla

Carla.

Sure to Carla.

Carla

@Snoke: They're apparently a bunch of people with no defined members. So I don't think that counts.

I found a possible image for BloodRayne of Billy The Kid.

Carla

Seems somewhat promising, Ordeaux. Take it to IP once you have consensus here.

The noose is what makes it more promising.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 11th 2021 at 2:24:30 PM

The page doesn't have an image yet so I don't need to take it to IP.

Not the BEST, but it works if nothing else can be found (Beast, got any from the comics?).

• Code Geass franchise:
  • Lelouch of the Rebellion:
    • Diethard Ried is a Britannian journalist who joins the rebel Black Knights to sate his need for bloodthirsty excitement. Becoming the most brutal of Lelouch vi Britannia/"Zero"'s inner circle, Diethard uses his media connections to manipulate battles in their favor, caring nothing for the civilians caught in their many fights and even smiling as he broadcasts one particular massacre. When Lelouch forms a territory of united nations Diethard immediately takes the opportunity to push for a global war. Ultimately betraying Lelouch to his brother Schneizel, Diethard assists the latter in his plan to use super weapons to terrify the planet into peace, Diethard himself only interested in the bloodshed caused along the way and overjoyed to get to witness the results of Scneizel's annihilation of Pendragon and the millions of citizens living there.
    • R2 (season 2): Alicia Lohmeyer is a cruel Britannian bureaucrat assigned to be Nunnally's aide and advisor, who uses her position to constantly make things worse for the Japanese living in Sector Eleven. Always trying to subvert Nunnally's compassionate ways, Lohmeyer reacts to one million Japanese trying to secede from Britannia with Zero's help by ordering them all be massacred in a sadistic, xenophobic fury, willing to fire the first shot herself and insulting loyal Suzaku's racial heritage for defying her. Lohmeyer later goes behind Nunnally's back and orders the prisoner of war Kallen be executed, purely out of spite for Nunnally befriending her.
    • R2: Luciano Bradley is the most despicable member of the elite Britannian Knights of the Round. Joining the group solely so he can kill combatants and civilians alike, Luciano is implied to be deployed out to war zones for the sole purposes of "purging" lower classes, a task he takes to with pure gusto. Luciano informs a captive female Japanese soldier how expendable she is before attempting to rape her. Participating in an assault on Japan, Luciano plans to massacre Tokyo as much as he can, happy to murder his own men if they get in his way while slowly and agonizingly dismantling any enemy he finds while taunting them about valuing their lives.
  • Renya of Darkness prequel:
    • Chapters 15-22: Lord Aaron is a vile Nova Hispania conquistador who enslaved the residents of the Philippine Archipelago after lying that he came in peace. Aaron has wiped out entire villages, personally tortures and executes whatever dissidents he can get his hands on, and captured a rebel's fiancée so he could turn her into a mindless Knightmare and have her kill her old beloved and his friends.
    • Chapters 24-26: Barbaros is the Britannian Knight of Thirteen who supports Lorenzo il Soresi's war across Britannia's nations. The former executioner, Barbaros used the guillotine with glee, even murdering children for being family of traitors. Sent to capture a Britannian princess for Soresi, Barbaros plans to mutilate her to make her a submissive puppet ruler, kill all of her companions, and bring scores of female captives back to the mainland to sell into sexual slavery.
  • Akito the Exiled: General Gene Smilas is a seemingly supportive commander of Leila Malcal secretly plotting his own coup. Playing Leila and her fleet of young Japanese soldiers, Smilas makes a deal with the insane Euro Britannia commander Lord Shin Hyuga Shaine to allow media attacks to drive the European Union to near-collapse before sending him Leila to kill while he announces her death to use the unrest to become Emperor. Utterly apathetic to Shin's desire to nuke the Britannian capital and readying his forces to crush any question to his reign, the universe's God itself dismantles Smilas's claims of good intent, revealing him to be a selfish coward under his words.
• Harry Potter and the Nightmares of Futures Past: The Bad Future's Lord Voldemort was even more brutal and vicious than in canon. Realizing that Harry Potter was finding and destroying his Horcruxes, Voldemort responded by sacking Hogwarts, murdering anyone who resisted him. Over the course of the next 13 years, Voldemort and his Death Eaters devastated much of Europe, turned Durmstrang into an Academy of Evil, and purged much of the British Isles of Muggles, including an incident where the Death Eaters burned down an orphanage and killed everyone they saw. When finally confronted by Harry, Voldemort boasted that he didn't need to win the duel because he'd killed everyone Harry knew and loved.
• Wandering Pilot (Neon Genesis Evangelion & Queen's Blade):
  • The Swamp Witch is a genocidal demon out to turn the whole world into her poisonous swamp. Eradicating the elves, the Swamp Witch sets her sights on Shinji Ikari to become her host body and places a curse on several members of his harem which leaves them in constant agony; Shinji can only remove this curse by taking it into his own body, with each one progressively eroding his ability to resist her efforts to possess him. When foiled, she founds a cult with herself as their "holy" leader, while spreading her deadly swamp across the lands, killing and torturing any who get in her way.
  • Melona is the Swamp Witch's equally vile servant. When sent to capture Shinji, Melona viciously rapes and castrates him, continuing to keep him as a Sex Slave when his powers make him recover from his injuries. When Shinji escapes her clutches, Melona swears to destroy everything he loves in order to break him completely. Melona impersonates the pope to rape nuns at her leisure while sewing chaos with her "official" position, an act she repeats during Claudette's reign by impersonating her royal advisor, Ymir. Later capturing the elf Echidna, who is pregnant with Shinji's child, Melona gruesomely extracts the fetus and devours it before mocking the grieving mother.
• The Howling: Max Quist is a handyman who resents any woman he perceives as "above" him. This rage manifests in a misogynistic fervor that results in him raping them, the fate that befalls the novel's heroine Karyn. Quist brutally rapes and beats her so badly that Karyn suffers a miscarriage, causing his shadow to linger over the novel as a greater monster than even the werewolves.
• The Torturer, by Peter Saxon: Conde Pedro Delmorte was a Conquistador who learned the secrets of eternal life from the worshipers of Quetzalcoatl. Savagely torturing countless natives and even murdering his own bride, the Conde returned to Spain and began to endlessly torture peasant girls to death to ensure his own immortality. Returning as a vampiric figure in modern day, Delmorte begins to pick off the film crew at his castle, torturing them to guarantee his eternity.
• Midnight Mass (2021): Beverly "Bev" Keane, showcasing her vindictive side by poisoning a dog who barked at her, is a bigoted, self-righteous member of the Catholic community on Crockett Island. With the priest Monsignor John Pruitt who believes the vampire he found is a kind Angel, Bev helps to distribute its blood and prepares poisoned wine to cause the devotees to rise as vampires. Going against John's wishes, Bev unleashes the vampires on Crockett to cause a massacre, plotting to get them to the mainland to cause further slaughter and begin an apocalypse while callously dismissing any who do not fit her increasingly narrow view of the world.
• Sometimes They Come Back: Richard Lawson was the leader of a gang of greasers that murdered a young boy and attempted to kill his little brother before dying in a freak accident. With his restless ghost murdering a student to come back, Lawson tortures and kills others to revive his other gang members. Tormenting the now-grown boy, Jim, Lawson attempts to kill his wife and young son, all out of a sense of gruesome unfinished business.
• Neon Genesis Evangelion 2: Keel Lorenz is the Chairman of SEELE and an elitist psychopath with a god complex. Having triggered Second Impact and killed off most of humanity for his plans to become a deity, Keel now funds NERV to defeat the monstrous Angels, while subtly making moves to execute the scenario in which he and his cohorts in SEELE may transcend via the Human Instrumentality Project. If he discovers his underling's plan to betray him, Keel manipulates the Japanese military into assaulting NERV headquarters and slaughtering the staff nearly to the last. When another Evangelion pilot fights back, Keel attempts to have his violent, mindless Mass Production Evangelion units painfully tear her apart. Seeking to initiate Third Impact using Evangelion Unit-01, Keel cares nothing when his plot causes all of humanity to suffer nightmarish visions as they are remade powerlessly into Primordial Soup under him. His scheme meaning a state of permanence for all that lives under him, Keel's designs utterly twist the benevolent intent of humanity's alien ancestors.

I will wait a day or two in this case before adding it to see if anyone has better image.

Yeah, I'm not gonna request locking until NEXT week anyway (the entries are all potholed and such BTW).

In 2019 I posted a Halloween EP in time for Christmas.

Now I have a Christmas effortpost in time for Halloween. Ho, ho, ho!

What is the work?

The First Draft is Jeb Stuart's first draft of the Die Hard script.

Detective John McClane takes a Christmas trip to Los Angeles to visit his wife, Holly, at the Klaxon Oil building on Wilshire. Unfortunately, the party is crashed by several armed gunmen.

Which takes us to their vicious, ruthless, and remorseless leader.

Who is Hans Gruber, and what has he done?

Hans is introduced personally killing the guard at the Klaxon front desk and locking the building with the guard's key card.

Hans has the phones disabled, and the elevators locked down. Leading his men onto the floor where the party is taking place, Hans takes approximately 35 people, including John McClane's wife, Holly, hostage; he takes a piece of identification from each of them.

Hans has Joseph Rivers, Holly's boss, brought to him, and they go up the elevator into a board room. Hans feigns pleasantries with Rivers about the latter's suit.

Hans brings Rivers into the board room, and after commenting on the model of a bridge, kills the latter when Rivers refuses to cooperate. Before he kills Rivers, he says that Rivers should be afraid of him.

After John pulls the fire alarm, Hans sends the gunman Tony after him. When he notices Tony's neck is broken, he discounts the possibility of a security guard killing Tony, because the security guard would have had a gun. (Hans doesn't know that John had dropped his gun in the altercation).

When John broadcasts for help using Tony's radio, Hans sends his men to the roof to neutralize John, telling Karl to lock him in the elevator shaft when the latter corners him, an order the latter ignores.

After John kills 2 more of Hans' men, and uses one of their bodies to alert Sgt. Al Powell before he leaves, he encounters a supposed hostage, Theo, who turns out to be a terrorist. John discovers an immense amount of explosives ("enough stuff here to turn this place into Wilshire canyon"). Hans, who is listening in on John's conversation with Powell, requests his detonators back on the pain of death. John declines the offer.

Once the SWAT team arrives, Hans savours the inevitable confrontation, which ends with several police personnel neutralized with heavy weaponry.

When Harry Ellis, Holly's obnoxious coworker, tries to bluff John into giving up the detonators to save his own skin, and when this fails, Hans kills him, threatening to kill another hostage if John still refuses to co-operate.

Upon being informed that the detonators are on the roof, Hans has his subordinate Franco take John up to the roof to take the detonators and kill John, only for John to reveal that the detonators are in his pockets, stalling long enough for a sniper to kill Franco.

As the FBI prepare gunships for an aerial attack, Hans tries to break Holly's spirit by bringing up her alleged involvement in illegal arms dealing. When a dismayed Holly doesn't know what Hans is talking about, Hans laughs, then mocks her for her naïveté.

Hans has his men fire missiles at the FBI helicopters, only letting the hostages go due due to his reduced manpower.

Hans takes Holly hostage, forcing John to exchange her for the detonators.

Despite John giving him the detonators, Hans tries to shoot him, before preparing to shoot both him and Holly.

John shoots Hans out of the window, saving himself and his wife.

Mitigating Factors?

Hans claims to be acting in the interest of human rights, but everything he does contradicts this, with Hans taking pleasure in violence and psychological warfare; he goes back on his word multiple times by trying to kill John and Holly, and even when he knows Holly is unaware of her company's shady dealings, he still targets her because John is ruining his plans. Even when he lets the hostages go, it's because he has barely any armed personnel remaining, and even then, he threatens to blow up the police choppers if they make another move. Overall, he is more interested in stroking his ego than he is in human rights violations.

Heinousness?

35 hostages. Several police personnel. Enough explosives to level Wilshire Boulevard.

This version of Hans is more arrogant and cruel than other versions, especially the film, and enjoys confrontation and stroking his ego, having a pathological desire to be feared.

One of the key differences between this script and the novel (as far as I know) is that while Anton targets people he knows are in on corruption (including Stephanie) as well as his hostages, when Hans finds out that Holly is unaware of her company's corruption, and is an Unwitting Pawn at worst, not only does he still target her to spite John, he rubs the fact in her face with pleasure.

Additionally, certain actions which were performed by his henchmen in the film are now on his rap sheet, with him taking a slightly more direct role in the proceedings.

To top it all off, the script is effectively stand-alone in continuity, so sequel villains should not be a problem.

Verdict?

Worthy of discussion, and I personally believe he is a possible contender.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Nov 1st 2022 at 10:27:12 AM

Hans, that makes 10 from Die Hard

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 11th 2021 at 11:38:10 AM

I'll give a comics image a look.

I recall another image of Billy the kid depicting him hanging several kids by a noose...I can take one for the team, but I'm not looking forward to giving a Uwe Boll movie another watch.

In the meantime, I added a little something to the Hecaitomix entries. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I think it might have to be clarified that the older Blair Witch games are tied to Nocturne, and avoid making the impression that the Bloodrayne series is tied to the Blair Witch mythos or anything.

Again I might be overthinking it.

• The Blair Witch Project Alternate Continuity tie-in prequels (a spinoff of Nocturne): Hecaitomix is the evil spirit behind Elly Kedward and Rustin Parr, starting the Blair Witch legend, and the true source of the curse. Angered that he is no longer worshipped, Hecaitomix spent centuries torturing and killing, children specifically, with the goal of wiping out the human race and ruling over what's left. Hecaitomix disemboweled a child, dubbed the "bleeding child", and kept him alive to feed on before trapping the child in his realm. He also conquered a spiritual realm and turns the spirits there into demons. Hecaitomix has Robin Weaver abducted and attempts to possess her, and in the ritual traps children's souls and keeps mutilated victims alive and conscious. Hecaitomix bargains with a man to cure his blindness and turns him into another demon to do so. After Rustin Parr's killing spree, Hecaitomix possesses Kyle Brody to use him as a new vessel, before moving on to a local pastor, and plots to abduct Mary Brown to subject her to the same fate as he did the bleeding child.

Sure to Hans Gruber

Speaking of Blood Rayne, I'll be checking BloodRayne: Betrayal to see if that version of Kagan counts, he seems promising.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Oct 11th 2021 at 2:42:16 PM