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Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#1: Aug 21st 2023 at 9:03:46 PM

OP written by The Mayor of Simpleton

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The problem: Pandaing To The Audience is supposed to be about pandas being cute or adorable. Per the description:

Proof that not all Bears Are Bad News. Given the iconic status of pandas, it's not surprising that they turn up a lot in media, especially while looking cute.

Apart from their striking black and white fur, the black spots around their eyes gives them an appealing sleepy look that seems to match their adorably clumsy behavior. Furthermore considering that they are often seen lounging about, peacefully eating plants instead of hunting, it makes them seem so innocent. In addition, they are one of the few animals who have a protruding bone in each paw that acts as an opposable thumb to grasp objects, giving their eating habits an appealingly human-like appearance. Keep in mind that eating bamboo requires a large amount of chewing. That round adorable face houses some powerful jaw muscles.

The description later jokes that this trope "could have been named Everything's Better With Pandas". For anyone who knows about what happened to those tropes, this sentence should be a clue as to the problem here. I indeed noticed that a large portion of on-page examples were just "pandas exist" (like other Everything's Better With tropes) and, after finishing my wick check for Disabled Love Interest, I decided to do a wick check for this trope to see if my suspicions were correct.

Wick check: Link here, but here's the quick results copied over:

  • 3/50 examples were of cute or adorable pandas, or 6%,
  • 34/50 examples were just of a panda or pandas happening to exist, or 68%,
  • 7/50 examples were zero-context or unclear, or 14%,
  • 2/50 examples were of other use, or 4%, and
  • 4/50 examples were unclassifiable, or 8%.

Totaled together, that's

  • 3/50 correct examples, or 6%, and
  • 43/50 incorrect examples, or 86%

Also noting that 41/50 examples specifically (ignoring the Other use) were of Chairs or zero-context use, or 82%.

Analysis: Indeed, there was a startling number of "pandas exist" use and Zero-Context Examples. Many wicks were just mentioning the existence of pandas, panda characters, or panda theming in a work, without anything tropeworthy attached. Almost no examples fit the definition, and the "other use" was too small to make up a meaningful pattern.

Possible solutions: In light of this, I recommend a cut or disambiguation. I cannot see a way in which we can salvage this trope otherwise, nor do I see any particularly yard-worthy ideas here.

What does everyone else think? Any other ideas or suggestions?

Wick check

Here, a wick check will be performed for Pandaing To The Audience.

Why?: Pandaing To The Audience is, at best, defined as "cute pandas", which could be its own trope (Pandas Are Adorable?). However, much of the on-page use (and some of the description) is "pandas exist". This check will determine how much of each there is.

Wicks checked: 50/50

Wick totals:

  • 3/50 examples were of cute or adorable pandas, or 6%,
  • 34/50 examples were just of a panda or pandas happening to exist, or 68%,
  • 7/50 examples were zero-context or unclear, or 14%,
  • 2/50 examples were of other use, or 4%, and
  • 4/50 examples were unclassifiable, or 8%.

Totaled together, that's

  • 3/50 correct examples, or 6%, and
  • 43/50 incorrect examples, or 86%

Also noting that 41/50 examples specifically (ignoring the Other use) were of Chairs or zero-context use, or 82%.


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    Cute/adorable pandas (3/50) 
  1. CutenessProximity.Anime And Manga: When Scar (that's right, SCAR) first gets a look at Xiao May the panda, he's so overcome with cute he wants to pet it! It was only shown once in an easy-to-miss scene in the show, and once in a non-canon "4-Koma Theater" episode, but it's still freaking funny. Cute panda.
  2. VisualNovel.The Royal Romance: In Romance Book 2 Chapter 12, the group visits a panda enclosure. Almost everyone is taken in by their cuteness. Cute pandas.
  3. MoralityPet.Anime And Manga: He seems to have a thing for cuteness, judging not only from May, but also her little pet panda, and a certain Omake chapter (which might or might not count). Cute panda.

    Pandas exist (34/50) 
  1. No Flow in CGI: However, the Pandaren which are now playable avert this. While compared to other games they're still rather static, looking at the capes or hair on a Pandaren compared to any other race is quite impressive for such an old engine. Pandas exist pothole.
  2. Blog.Poupee Girl: One of the "Character Motif" sets was panda-themed, as well as a panda catcher game. Pandas exist.
  3. Characters.Phineas And Ferb Others: He's a panda. Commented-out ZCE, placed here because the character is just said to be a panda.
  4. Characters.The Idolmaster Cinderella Girls Masters7th To14th: Her S Rare panda suit. Pandas exist.
  5. KungFuPanda3.Tropes G To Z: Exaggerated with the secret panda village, including such resident pandas as Li Shan, Mei Mei, Dim & Sum, Grandma Panda, panda cubs Bao and Lei Lei et al. Pandas exist.
  6. Recap.Dawitsus Recompense: One of Dawitsu's old friends in Yutaka's flashback is wearing a Giant Panda outfit. Pandas exist.
  7. Series.An Idiot Abroad: Karl and Warwick dress up as pandas to enter a panda enclosure in China. Pandas exist.
  8. Series.Mister Rogers Neighborhood: Purple Panda and Little Panda, pandas from the planet Purple who teleport by "pinging". Pandas exist.
  9. VideoGame.Mega Man 6: Wind Man's stage features an enemy called Pandeeta, a robotic panda that fires cannonballs in an arc when Mega Man is at a distance, or energy shots straight ahead when he's close. Pandas exist.
  10. WesternAnimation.Marvels Spider Man: "Bring on the Bad Guys Part 1" introduces Canon Immigrant Panda-Mania, a super strong criminal girl who cosplays as a Panda. She's apparently a longstanding partner of Hippo. Pandas exist.
  11. WesternAnimation.The Brady Kids: Two pandas named Ping and Pong are the kids' team pets. Pandas exist.
  12. YMMV.Neo Yokio Lexy and Gottlieb sneaking into the Hamptons infinity pool and winding up turning into a woman and a panda respectively. Pandas exist pothole.
  13. VideoGame.Mega Man Dr Wilys Final Attack: Pandeeta, the panda-robot mook from Spear Man's stage. Pandas exist.
  14. VideoGame.Just Dance: A man in a panda costume appears as a dancer in "C'mon" and "Timber" in 2014. The character's popularity led to him becoming a Recurring Character in the following games. Pandas exist.
  15. VideoGame.Twinkle Star Sprites: Meirin's sidekick is a roly-poly panda. Pandas exist.
  16. WebOriginal.Sagan 4: The Planda, which, as its name suggests, was just a panda. Pandas exist.
  17. WebVideo.Stuart Ashen: His Panda Extravaganza, he even says the trope name in the end of the video. Pandas exist.
  18. MultiformBalance.Kamen Rider: PandaRocket Form is a Glass Cannon, being strong but slow (though not to the level of GorillaMond) and being able to fly thanks to his rocket arm. Unusually for Kamen Rider, this finds more use for utility than for combat, as Sento often switches to it when he needs to blast off and make a quick getaway. Pandas exist pothole.
  19. VideoGame.Unlight: Orang the panda acolyte. Pandas exist.
  20. WesternAnimation.Jimmy Two Shoes: "Panda-monium" is all about this, with a bunch of pandas becoming Heloise's fans after Jimmy and Beezy begin to promote an image of her as a kindhearted panda lover, to her horror. Pandas exist.
  21. WesternAnimation.The Garfield Show: Garfield, Odie, and Nermal befriend a pair of pandas (with Australian accents) in the 4-part episode "Little Trouble in Big China". They not only help out in transportation but also rescue them from 2 antagonistic Siamese cats (but not by doing kung fu because that would be ridiculous for pandas). Pandas exist.
  22. VideoGame.Tekken 7: From Tekken 3: Jin Kazama, Hwoarang, Ling Xiaoyu, King II, Kuma II, Panda, Eddy Gordo, Bryan Fury, Julia Chang Pandas exist pothole.
  23. VideoGame.Death Road To Canada: A possible recruit that can be found when scavenging in cities. You'll need the Charming or Friend of Dog traits to recruit it. 'Pandas exist.
  24. Fanfic.The Warcrafter:
  25. Literature.Rascal Does Not Dream Of Bunny Girl Senpai: Kaede loves pandas, usually wears a pajama design which is based on them and is happy when her brother visits the pandas in the zoo with her. But when her memories come back at the end of the story, she isn't interested in these animals anymore. Pandas exist.
  26. DeadlyDodging.Western Animation: Since Secret Squirrel can't fight the endangered One-Ton Panda without getting arrested, he tricks the villain into whacking himself with various objects by acting as an unhelpful bodyguard. And then arrests him for putting himself in danger like that. Pandas exist.
  27. InterspeciesRomance.Anime And Manga:
  28. VideoGame.Etrian Odyssey II Heroes Of Lagaard: There's a blue-eyed panda as one of the four options for the Beast class. The other choices being a brown bear, a wolf, and a sabertoothed white tiger... which are all functionally the same. Pandas exist.
  29. VideoGame.RPG Shooter Starwish: Appear here as alien species. Including Pandas and Kitsune. Pandas exist pothole.
  30. Webcomic.Pv P: The Office Panda. Pandas exist.
  31. WesternAnimation.Octonauts Above And Beyond: "The Bamboo Rescue" is about panda bears. Pandas exist.
  32. YMMV.Littlest Pet Shop 2012: Either Penny Ling is sweet and adorable or useless and oversensitive. Pandas exist pothole.
  33. WesternAnimation.Toon Bops: Miranda The Panda. Here's what she looks like. Pandas exist.
  34. WesternAnimation.Clone High: Bus Full of Innocents: Parodied in "Sleep of Faith, La Rue D'Awakening," when Abe falls asleep at the wheel and nearly rams into a bus coming the opposite way. To up the ante, it's a Bus Full Of Pandas. Pandas exist pothole.

    ZCEs and unclear (7/50) 
  1. Characters.Heroes Of Newerth I To P: But of course. No context.
  2. Characters.The Masked Singer Seasons1to 4: Pandaing To The Audience Commented-out trope-name only ZCE.
  3. Manhwa.The Bride Of The Water God: Also an Author Avatar. On the moon! No context.
  4. WesternAnimation.Chip And Potato: Nico. No context.
  5. SouthPark.Tropes K To Q: Or else they'd be a bunch of sad pandas. No context.
  6. Literature.Where Are They: Sylvester and Search for Sylvester. No context.
  7. Webcomic.Commander Kitty: Red Panda-ing To The Audience Trope name only commented-out ZCE.

    Other use (2/50) 
  1. Seton Academy: Join the Pack!: An almost-parody of this trope, since Meimei the giant panda is treated like a celebrity because of her species' popularity, so having Jin deny and even insult her is an entirely new experience. Pandas are popular — its own usage.
  2. WesternAnimation.Father Of The Pride: Kate's friend Foo-Lin and her date, Nelson from the Missing Episode, NOT depicted as token Asian neighbors. Mostly pandas exist as written—though there might be something there with the "pandas as Asian characters".

    Unclassifiable (4/50) 

Edited by Berrenta on Aug 27th 2023 at 10:42:52 AM

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How sweet it is
#2: Aug 21st 2023 at 9:05:19 PM

Pinging ~The Mayor of Simpleton

If we cannot find some ideal candidates for disambiguation, I won't object to a cut.

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#4: Aug 21st 2023 at 9:21:00 PM

Assuming a rename wouldn't help (to me the misuse and to a lesser extent the zero-context examples seem to be due to its name if I'm correct), I'm leaning on supporting a cut; if there are any options to list on disambiguation pages, I don't know of them.

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#5: Aug 21st 2023 at 10:50:09 PM

The only disambig item I can think of is Beary Friendly.

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#6: Aug 21st 2023 at 10:54:40 PM

There's also Ridiculously Cute Critter.

Edited by MacronNotes on Aug 21st 2023 at 1:54:47 PM

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#7: Aug 21st 2023 at 10:58:39 PM

Cut. Given that people were mostly using this for "pandas exist" which isn't tropeworthy itself, I don't think a disambig would be all that helpful.

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#8: Aug 22nd 2023 at 1:26:45 AM

Cut. I don't think a disambig would be helpful here considering the trope was about a specific species of animal.

Edited by Karxrida on Aug 22nd 2023 at 1:29:59 AM

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#9: Aug 22nd 2023 at 2:21:08 AM

Cut. 6,901 inbounds since 2012 for a page made a year before that isn't that high.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 22nd 2023 at 4:21:38 AM

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#10: Aug 22nd 2023 at 2:24:48 AM

Cut due to the low inbound count and "chairsy" nature.

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#12: Aug 22nd 2023 at 5:50:02 AM

Kill it!

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#13: Aug 22nd 2023 at 8:06:57 AM

Send to yard as Adorable Panda, or broader, Cute Bear

Edited by Amonimus on Aug 22nd 2023 at 6:07:26 PM

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#14: Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:39:19 AM

[up] Agreed with the first option.

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#18: Aug 24th 2023 at 9:20:11 AM

Attaching a crowner, since it's been three days.

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#19: Aug 24th 2023 at 9:49:29 AM

I'm for cutting but Adorable Pandas feels narratively lacking to me. I could see it quickly turning into "is a panda" like it is currently.

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#20: Aug 24th 2023 at 2:08:52 PM

[up]Since this is being Yarded instead of being retooled by TRS, ideally, TLP would sort out whether it's tropeworthy or not if someone makes a draft.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 24th 2023 at 4:09:05 AM

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#21: Aug 27th 2023 at 9:29:12 AM

Alright, this one has now hit three days. Time to get out the scissors, yeah?

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#22: Aug 27th 2023 at 10:00:55 AM

Time to call in favor of cut and yard.

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#24: Aug 27th 2023 at 6:01:23 PM

In the process of dewicking , I found maybe a few examples

Like this one from Characters.Hetalia Axis Powers East Asia

  • Pandaing To The Audience: Hong Kong loves pandas just as much as China does.
    • This is implied in one of his image songs, "Maji Kandou☆Hong Kong Night":
      The panda is always on my side (rest assured)
    • And it's made more explicit in his other image song, "Hoi Sam☆Nice Guy":
      Super
      They're so adorable it hurts, the perfect balance of black and white
      Pandas that bring you happiness… we sell them, sort of
      So fluffy and cute, such big round eyes
      The kinda? Make you Happy! Uh-huh

Should I make a sandbox for the Yard to keep some of the potential Adorable Pandas idea?

Edit: [down] OK

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Aug 27th 2023 at 9:06:55 PM

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#25: Aug 27th 2023 at 6:03:11 PM

Go ahead. It's being yarded so anyone's free to store salvageable examples in a sandbox.

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Trope Repair Shop: Pandaing to the Audience
24th Aug '23 9:22:27 AM

Crown Description:

The trope, meant for pandas being adorable, frequently attracts "pandas exist" misuse. What should be done with it?

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