Is this an example?

With your explanation I agree it may be misuse. PMFF is supposed to be for rather spontaneous cases where friendships fall apart only to get back together at the end of the film, and this doesn't seem to be that.

In Ghosts (UK) there are two characters called Mick and Mike which are both shortened forms of Michael. Do you know if the One-Steve Limit trope is played straight, enforced or averted?

As far as I know, Mick managed to became its own thing, sort of like James and Jacob. But I'm not British, and this is the sort of thing you need a 'bong to certify.

It could be downplayed both Michaels are both referred to as Mike and Mick but never Michael

Is it confirmed that both are fully named micheal and using a nickname? If not, I think it's not an example, as I've known people just named Mike or Mick. If yes, then it counts

The following I removed from Dramedy for not fitting the trope (being primarily comedy, or action/scifi-fantasy rather than a drama). However, some have been added back, so I need third-party input before removing them again

Here are the examples that are under contention

• Just about every film in the Disney Animated Canon.
  • Just about every Pixar film as well.

• The works of Don Bluth (which figures, considering he used to work at Disney).
• Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
  • Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse

• The Owl House
• Rick and Morty
• South Park
• The Simpsons
• The Marvel Cinematic Universe is this, having a mostly lighthearted and humorous tone while having plenty of intensely dramatic moments.

I do not feel any of these qualify as Dramedy shows, the specific genre. Most are adventure or SFF which contain both funny and serious moments, as almost all shows do. Also, the first is a general example, but it was added back anyway.

Do you guys agree, and if so may I remove them?

Edited by Tremmor19 on Aug 21st 2023 at 7:16:14 AM

I'm familiar with everything but the MCU and Rick and Morty, and I agree none of them count. The Simpsons and South Park are very much comedy-first, and everything else is scifi or fantasy first. I could only maybe see an argument for Rick and Morty as I know it has mundane dramatic and comedic subplots mixed into the sci-fi.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 21st 2023 at 9:39:05 AM

Reposting old post, since it didn't get any views

Okay, so recently I did a cleanup of Humans Are Bastards because so many of them were misuse as synonyms for the "humans suck" tropes, and now I'm tackling the main page. For the sake of my sanity and your eyes, I'm just going to be covering up to the Literature folder for the first part.

I don't see how this has anything to do with humanity's capacity for good; it states they can become more powerful, but not more moral, plus this is a description of the crux of a villain's motive. There was a double-bullet under this that does say that humans can grow and improve, so turn that into the main thing?

I don't see anything being said about the characters learning how to improve themselves.

I guess the "can be" fits this trope, but this seems to lean too much into the negative side.

This reads off a bit like softcore Humans Are Bastards.

Uses the word "flawed", but seems to be more of a statement about the futility of human desires.

Same as above.

The quote in this I already cut from the Quotes page because it didn't fit by itself, I just wanted to see if you guys wanted to cut the entry, which gives a little bit of context.

I'm not too good with more flowery archaic dialect, but I don't think this has anything good to say about humanity.

It says it's zigzagged with Humans Are The Real Monsters, but it just seems plainly the latter to me considering it lists no good qualities or how Man works to improve upon these faults.

No good qualities listed with any indication of potential for improvement.

No good qualities listed with any indication of potential for improvement. The plain "humans suck" tropes are even potholed here.

No good qualities listed with any indication of potential for improvement.

Does anybody want to vouch for any of these?

This is found on Muggle Born of Mages.

• Rock Lee from Naruto was born without the ability to use ninjutsu or genjutsu, the magic of the ninja world. He makes up for it with Training from Hell that makes his taijutsu, physical combat, so powerful he can compete with the most powerful of ninjas.

I don't think his parents actually appeared or mentioned they could use ninjutsu pr genjutsu so it may not really count. If it doesn't, should it go on Un-Sorcerer?

I think Un-Sorcerer fits best.

Semi-related, but does Un-Sorcerer require from such character to be the only muggle in the setting, or the only one in the main cast?

So there is the magical setting where even what passes in-universe as muggle can cast basic spell after just few days of training, with a rather large cast that consists of literal sorcerers, demi-humans and a magical familiar... and there is Alice the painter, a regular human that's just that: a painter, acting as the Unfazed Everyman, while being a very regular, very normal and very muggle. And no, Alice doesn't awake special powers later on, doesn't have magical immunity or anything like that. Her "twist" is that she has to pretend to be a magic user for the sake of a court intrigue, while being utterly clueless about it.

But she is not the only muggle around, it's just how omnipresent magic and magic users are, while she's the only muggle in the main cast.

Edited by Tropiarz on Aug 22nd 2023 at 10:00:00 AM

Is this a correct example of Happily Married?

• Characters.Avataro Sentai Donbrothers Donbrothers: To his wife Miho. It's to the point where he believes that she is the only high point of his life. This winds up being brutally deconstructed in that his reliance on her as the "one good thing" he has in his life makes him toxically dependent on her, willing to commit atrocities to punish those who hurt her and willing to throw anyone who threatens to take her from him under the bus. Once her true nature as a Jūto comes to light and she exits his life he very quickly suffers Sanity Slippage to the point where he's treated a doll as Miho.

Edited by ElRise on Aug 22nd 2023 at 9:11:09 PM

(x5) I would just hide examples 2 through 6 and 11-12 due to the context being more repurposed to reflect Flat-Earth Atheist than whatever it's implying; on entry 2 it looks like there's abetting for a Truth Serum like with the misogyny convo in episode 8 but since it's based on real life circumstances it needs an unbiased viewpoint.

For the rest of them, particularly the Tolkien entry, I think sandwiching the quotes will go a long way, though you should try to find supplementary ones if possible.

Any Un-Sorcerer in a work that rolls into obscurity later on (like if they're an unproductive Bit Character) should count. I think Alice not awaking any powers later is an Internal Deconstruction of the story itself based on what you said, so I would just get rid of the other muggle wicks while still briefly mentioning it.

Sandwiching? I'm not very familiar with online lingo.

It's not even a deconstruction. She simply gets tangled along into the quest as part of the Five-Man Band, because Bob the main character (and The Archmage) is her husband.

I'm mostly asking, because it's a setting where muggles are still very much a thing, but solely as a career choice - there is virtually no other barrier. And that seems clashing with the definition of the Un-Sorcerer (at least as far as I read it)

Alice seems more like the Badass Normal or The Team Normal. Possibly both, but moreso The Team Normal.

I didn't even know we have trope like The Team Normal, but that sounds precisely as something that I need. Thanks

In YMMV.Wandering Son:

• Audience-Alienating Premise: The series portrays puberty and LGBT issues — especially transgender ones — quite seriously. This puts off many people (mostly cis heterosexuals) since it's outside of their comfort zone or they're so used to comedies about the subject. And even people wanting to read the story for its transgender themes get turned off by the revelation near the end that one of the transgender characters actually isn't trans.

Is "this work turns off cishets for being about queer themes" a valid example?

AAP has its own dedicated cleanup thread.

That said, the trope page intro is clear that we need objective proof of the work's commercial failure - worth checking if that applies in this case.

Does I'm a Humanitarian apply to animals eating their own kind when served to them (as most would)?

If they're both called Michael but just go by their nicknames, downplayed is probably the best way to record it. While both are nicknames for Michael, when people prefer to be known by either one, we don't tend to think of them as "Michael". We do think in terms of just "Mike" or "Mick". So, it'll be a case of them having the same name, but their nicknames create separation.

If Mick's name is actually Mick, rather than Michael, then it'll be averted.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:59:40 AM

The trope description mentions that "this trope applies to non-humans who are sapient or otherwise capable of independent thought", so that seems to disqualify most animals.

It's also NRLEP, so you'd need an example of them eating their own kind in the fiction.

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 22nd 2023 at 11:55:28 AM

There's an entry on Recap.Asterix And The Great Crossing, I'll remove it.

Is this a correct example of Due to the Dead?

• Not for Broadcast: In Day 371, if Jeremy Donaldson died at the end of Day 296 (either by suicide or by security), you have the option to "decorate" his grave with either an Advance wreath or a Disrupt graffiti in either of the bottom two screens.

How do you feel about the validity of this example of Replaced with Replica in "The Wolf and the Seven Young Kids"?

Edited by LordGro on Aug 23rd 2023 at 11:48:03 AM

So I realized that I recently potholed A Space Marine Is You underneath a description of how in Mega City Police you play as your nameless, faceless police agent of choice, but I double-checked the trope description and it says it only applies if the Player Character is in the military. Therefore, my question is does being a member of a police force qualify a character for this trope, given the similarities between Police and Military structures?