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- Also, the curse thought it would be funny to give Sam a "stroke of good luck" at the seven-year anniversary, when a normal "seven years of bad luck" would have ended. The episode? "Season Seven, Time for a Wedding." The supposedly good luck? Sam being married to Becky.
- Jossed. Sam is only Lucifer's vessel, because of the demon blood. He can't be possessed by Michael and Dean can't be possessed by Lucifer.
- While looking this up on The Other Wiki, I found the supposedly haunted Winchester Mystery House in California. More potential relatives?
- Accept it's revealed that Mary's maiden sure name was Campbell, so...
- Well, the leprechaun/best casting choice ever said that he can detect souls because they give off a certain "perfume," which would seem to suggest that just by having a soul, humans radiate a certain "aura" (for lack of a better term) that maybe monsters are simply more attuned toward? (Now that I think about it, the Alpha Vampire was also able to discern Sam's lack of a soul without resorting to a soulonoscopy.)
- Played with quite a bit in the Season 7 premiere. At least Sam's Lucifer hallucination mentions this.
- OP: Similar theory: The illusion is all for Dean. After all, the very first episode of the season had djinns making him hallucinate that Azazel was back; and right after that, Sam showed up to save him, miraculously resurrected from the Cage - probably Dean's greatest wish at that point! However, everything went downhill from there, because the demons were behind all of it and wanted to make Dean suffer as much psychological torment as possible by giving him the thing he wanted most back, ruining it, making his life suck again, etc., all BEFORE they wake him up and gloat about how none of it was real. (I never for one second bought that the demons WOULDN'T want his blood for helping lock their daddy back in a hole, btw. They should've been hunting him down the second it happened.) One explanation? Perhaps he was ambushed and captured before the last scene of "Swan Song", and the entire year he spent with Lisa and Ben (the promise he made to Sam getting fulfilled) was just the demons screwing with him. Perhaps they'll wake him up when they feel he's good and broken so they can interrogate him to learn how to bust Lucifer out. (This entire WMG is poorly-written, badly-reasoned, and incomplete to boot, but my fingers are tired and it's five in the morning, so I think you get the gist of it.)
- Actually, Lucifer's goals in interfering with Sam make much more sense if we assume that it is a hallucination, Sam's in hell with Lucifer, and Lucifer has no way of reaching out of the Cage. If Lucifer could really influence a person outside the Cage, surely it would make sense to work on some kind of plan for opening the cage—the ability to appear to Sam is the kind of opportunity he hasn't had for millenia and that will be gone as soon as Sam dies. So why would he use it for no more productive purpose than just messing with Sam's head? Yes, Lucifer hates Sam and wants revenge, but someone as pragmatic as him should be trying to induce Sam to do things like deliver messages to his loyal demons, or open the Cage, or something like that. That would be much more in-character for the Lucifer we saw in Season Five. On the other hand, if we assume that Lucifer can't reach outside the Cage in any way, then it makes plenty of sense that he would have nothing better to do than create an illusory world to torment Sam and make his life as much of a Deus Angst Machina as he can.
- Uriel was ganked by the very blade he used to kill other angels, and it was being wielded by Anna.
- More or less confirmed in the Season 6 finale.
- Jossed? In season 11 a bunch of people walked around without their souls, and were pretty assholes like Sam was.
- Jossed, the visions were given to him by Lucifer to deceive him into setting him free.
However, as Sam is the vessel for Lucifer, Lucifer will be most likely heavily "involved" in this relationship. And Sam/Lucifer's union with his destined partner will most spawn the Antichrist that will threaten the world.
- The reason Sully was assigned to Sam was specifically to keep Azazel and his minions from coming anywhere near Sam. After all, Sully is something like a Good Counterpart for a character like Brady who came into Sam's life to make him worse. It worked fine while it lasted, but Da Rules still didn't allow Sully to stick around and offer the same protection into Sam's adolescent and college years. Hence, that's when Brady showed up.
Think about it: Seasons 1 and 2 are relatively light-hearted, and the boys have a lot of success stories. From AHBL onwards, everything just keeps getting worse. It's the perfect torture.
- Taking this to its logical conclusion, he's the Trickster. Remember, it's established that the Trickster can make illusory copies of himself, so having seen them together doesn't eliminate the possiblity. Suddenly the Trickster's motive in "Groundhog Day" makes more sense—he wants to help Sam get used to Dean's death because he is Dean, who doesn't want Sam to save him. This theory makes a lot more sense with the caveat that Dean doesn't actually know he's the Trickster; the Trickster we've seen is a projection of his subconscious, which is free to use Dean's powers as it pleases.
- Unless the writers are up to something seriously brain-breaking, this was Jossed by "Changing Channels".
- But has he been rehymenated? And was he circumcised to begin with? When in canon did this ever come up? Why do I think you're so awesome now?
- Didn't he explicitely say he was "rehymenated"? And, well, he is American.
- Another troper weighing in: Dean seemed far too eager to, ahem, use his equipment after his rebirth. In the intervening episodes there was no indication that he was walking funny due to a DIY circumcision. This troper concluded, independently of the above troper, that Dean was brought back intact due to these clues. By the time he had a chance to breathe and consider it, I don't think he'd have done it. So, until proven/mentioned otherwise, I'm considering him intact.
- Jossed in a big way when Dean gets offered pizza-pie by everybody's favourite horseman of the apocalypse, Death.
- It was jossed even before that in "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid" when Bobby's undead wife baked and fed both of them pie.
- It's stated a few times that an Archangel's sword can kill another Archangel. It's never said that it has to be an Archangel wielding the blade.
- Jossed. Michael possessed Adam because Dean never said yes.
- It may just be me, but this wouldn't be too surprising. After all, getting some action is better than no action; there are a lot of people who prefer the opposite sex, but wouldn't immediately refuse sexual advances from their own gender, either.
- Jossed in "Live Free or Twihard." Boris is a walking talking aversion to Vampires Are Sex Gods but Dean's refusal to his advances are less "No Way In Hell You're Getting Any Of This, Ugly" and more like "Sorry, I'm Straight."
- Not really. That refusal could've easily been more along the lines of, "Sorry, I don't have sex with blood-sucking monsters."
- And of course no one has ever claimed to be straight when they weren't.
- I believe quite the opposite is true about Lisa's attitude towards hunters. Lisa has showed nothing but respect for what hunters do. Perhaps, lying to Dean about Ben was her way of freeing him to do what he does best. She could not risk Dean choosing his son over the safety of the world. Lisa's stuck in a lie and it's only a matter of time before the truth comes out.
- Perhaps this IS true, and the only reason Lisa didn't inform him of this during their off-screen year after S5 is because she didn't want Dean to feel obligated... or something.
- Or maybe the kid is his, but at that point Dean was, in her own words, "that guy she spent one weekend with forever ago". She didn't really know anything about him, except perhaps that he was a bad boy who made a living under dubious circumstances. Not knowing anything about the guy, she might not have wanted to have this practical stranger upset the clearly good life she's made for herself and her son. From what she told Dean of Ben's "real" father, it doesn't seem like she's made the best romantic choices in the past.
- It seems there may in fact be evidence of this in the show,remember when Dean first asked Lisa if Ben was his? She practically jumped out of her skin and she seemed quite nervous when discussing the subject afterwards. Why would she react this way if she knew for a fact that Dean was not Ben's father? Not to mention that her later claim that she did a dna test when Ben was a baby becomes a lot less belivable when you realize that her preference for bad boys with no permanent address makes it very unlikely that she had acess to dna from every guy she slept with. Can't do a daddy dna test without the daddy's dna. Then there's the fact that the timing of Ben's birth matches up a little too perfectly with the last time she was with Dean. My guess would be that Lisa never really knew for sure who Ben's father was and lied to Dean about knowing because she didn't want to deal with the inevitible drama that would ensue if Dean did turn out to be the father.
- We see Michael!Dean at the end of series 13 (Ep. 23) after Dean makes a deal with him to gank Lucifer, and continuing into series 14.
I mean, think about it, it took a full year for Cas develop to the point of stop simply following orders. Of all the other angels who do have a brain of their own, he's the only one who doesn't think of humans as hairless apes/mud monkeys who should be killed for simply existing. He's also the only one who still blindly loved God even after the other angels were allowed to jump start Apocalypse. It's always been puzzling why in Season 5, Cas was brought back with diminished powers (rebelled doesn't count: he was new and improved after Swan Song). Perhaps it was so that, with diminished abilities, that was meant to teach Cas about the trivial matters of humanity; and since he had to experience the 4 horsemen himself thanks to his humanization, he'd be more appreciative of what humans have to go through and conquer, and less likely to sic the Apocalypse on earth again like Raphael wants to so badly.
Lastly, like Zachariah pointed out for the seals, if God DIDN'T want this to happen, there was no way it would've. Sure, the Apocalypse came and he didn't care, but surely there would be something done when someone wants to usurp the position of God? Just saying.
- Or, maybe, God knew it would work out, since God is supposed to know everything. Personally, I believe God DID care about the Apocalypse—he interfered enough to give the Winchester boys a chance, didn't he? Why do that if he really didn't care? Maybe he just wanted the world to fix itself. And since he sealed the Leviathans in Purgatory in the first place, he HAD to know that Cas would suck them in if he opened the door to it. So maybe God just let Cas take over for a few days because he knew it wouldn't last and he still trusts the world to get itself out of its own messes. Also, free will is kind of a basic tenet of the Abrahamic traditions, which seem to be what this God comes from. Despite the angels claiming it doesn't exist, clearly it does, since the Winchesters stopped the Apocalypse and burned the script. So maybe God was letting his creation exercise free will, like he promised.
- There's only one who not only could have brought Castiel back but also teleported Dean and Sam to safety... God.
- Yup, turns out it was God.
- Agreed. Sure, I am a shipper, but from a more realistical viewpoint, I'd say that it's definitely unrequited love. I mean, he gave up EVERYTHING for Dean. Literally. At first it would have been believable that he did it to save humanity. But then again, everytime he talks about his sacrifice, he says specifically, "for you!". It would also explain the stalking (In 5x14, Dean hadn't finished describing where they were, and Castiel popped up right in front of him), the lack of personal space, and why he stuck around with him for FIVE years in a Crapsack World (5x04).
- Dean is aware of it, which explains why he chose these specific words to taunt Castiel: "Last person who looked at me like that, I got laid." Knowing that his affections were being mocked made Castiel even angrier.
- Even my brother watched the episode (doesn't know anything about the show) and his reaction after watching it was him saying something along the lines of "oh, so this is like queer as folk with demons?" It makes me wonder just why they wrote 5.18 like that, they could've played Castiel as being angry with Dean taunting him- but why choose such suggestive lines? Oh and 5.04, with Castiel becoming human so that he could stay with Dean specifically even though the other Angels had gone back to Heaven.
- (4.10) While Anna was kissing Dean, there was a cut-in to Castiel's facial expression. He appeared upset and jealous. (5.03) Castiel didn't seem at all interested in having sex with the hooker, but smiled when Dean put his arm around him. Also, his dialogue in 5.18 was reminiscent of a betrayed lover. ("I gave everything to you, and this is what you give me?")
- At this point I'd be more surprised if this wasn't true. In 6.03 after not answering Sam for a year, Castiel responds to Dean almost immediately. Sure, he may snap at Dean, "You think I came because you called?" but it comes off like he's just pissed that Dean is being such an asshole about the whole thing. He's pretty much already confirmed to Sam that that's exactly why he came, especially with the comment that he and Dean "share a more profound bond".
- Hehehehehe. You can say one thing for the writers of Supernatural: they know their audience far too well. 6.20 is literally Castiel's recount of why he made a deal with the devil because Dean wasn't there for him. Because Castiel didn't want to ask Dean for help and interrupt his new happy life, he made a deal with Crowley for the power to defeat Raphiel. You don't need to be a shipper to read into that. Hell, you don't even have to be in the show's target demographic to read into that! It's bloody plaintext! In fact, it's in this very wiki. I think you'll find it under I Want My Beloved to Be Happy.
- Exactly. They know, and they're taunting us with it. (Which is totally okay, to be honest.)
- I know that nobody seems to remember/care about him, but... what about archangel Raphael?
- Well, I think it's safe to assume that Michael was stronger than him. I can imagine that Raphael and Castiel work together, though.
- Either that or Raphael is still trapped in that circle of fire.
- Well, now he is.
- It's either that, or being possessed by an angel has given Jimmy a metabolism to put the Flash to shame. Or, even creepier, eating that much was destroying his (Jimmy's?) stomach, but his angel healing factor was repairing the damage as soon as it occured. It makes one wonder if Castiel didn't notice the terrible pain this would have caused because he was so thoroughly under Famine's spell by that point.
- Jossed. They're revealed in 8x02 to be red.
- Quite possible.
- Now that he's dead, it won't happen. His daughter wouldn't have wanted him to resurrect her after all the things he's done.
It kind of works the same way like items works for humans. When you equip, say, a body armor and a gun you suddenly become much more 'powerful' in combat. It's not a case of any sort of gradual growth, gaining new skills or experience. When you're equipped you're simply much more powerful, instantly.
I propose that a similar mechanism exists for titles in hell. So someone who is, say, "The Grand Inquisitor of Hell" isn't simply someone who has a lot of juice and can convince the other demons to call him that. Becoming the Inquisitor is similar to putting on a suit of body armor and taking a gun - except that the "items" are entirely supernatural in nature and non-physical. We can steal a word from Dresden Files and call them "mantles"
So, this is what happened with Crowley. When Armageddon was over (or at least put on hold), he collected all those mantles from the major demons who died. He probably has Lilith's mantle (maybe something like "The Mother of Monsters", "The First Demon", "The Queen of Hell" or simply "The Alpha"), Azazel's mantle (whatever it was that gave him yellow eyes, maybe "Prophet of Lucifer" or something), Alastair's mantle (the "Grand Inquisitor of Hell") and his already-existing "King of the Crossroads". The mantle of "King of Hell" might also exist and if it does, he has it now.
So, how did he do it? King of the Crossroads, as he's fond of reminding us. He probably suckered several humans into doing a deal for their souls. He convinced them to add a "locate mantle of X" to their deals and that was that. With his powers as King of the Crossroads, he might have been able to prevent other demons from using the same tactics.
This gave him an unprecedented level of power as far as demons go. In all the history of demonkind, the mantles were divided among different demons. He is the first one to have them all - because frankly, with his current level of power he probably already convinced any other mantle-holders to give them to him. He might not be the most ancient and powerful demon around personally (though he is certainly in the upper leagues) but when combined with all the mantles that he collected, he now enjoys a truly terrifying level of power.
- Guess we're never going to find out now.
- It could just be Crowley's that good. He's strong enough to take out an entire nest of demons by himself, controls hellhounds roughly the size of small bears, and is clearly one of the smartest demons out there. It wouldn't be hard to imagine him wheeling, dealing, and killing his way to the top spot in the pit.
- It would seem to be confirmed that whatever the King of Hell is, it's more than just a title. Before the end of Season Seven, it would be possible to speculate that Crowley just became King through Machiavellian ingenuity, even without having more magical power than the other demons. But the idea that the King of Hell's blood is a necessary ingredient in the potion to kill a Leviathan, and this fact is an item of ancient lore—this shows that it is something more like the "mantle" idea.
- It could just be that Crowley is the only high-ranking demon left... we have no idea what casualties Hell sustained in the War. Anyway, Crowley is one of the only demons capable of out-thinking hunters and having thoughts beyond "kill!" Maybe that helps.
- He's a higher up in Hell, but in reality the real king of the Crossroad Demons is Mephistopheles, the Trope Codifier for the Deal with the Devil which itself is the M.O. of the Crossroads Demon. Also Hell itself has other levels; Crowley is currently in control over what Lucifer had controlled, and will likely have to answer to Mephistopheles if he enters the SPN canon.
- Also, a couple of decades Earth-time would likely be centuries upon centuries Hell-time. More than enough time to turn someone like Ed Singer into a demon (just look at how much Dean changed while in Hell).
It's also very likely that Robert Singer was not his real name He changed it to that to avoid the law. Why did his parents call him Bobby, then? Just an inaccuracy of his memory caused by the bullet in his brain.
- But wasn't the house of his youth the same one he lived in as an adult?
- If it is Bobby's ghost, he's probably not sticking around of his own free will. Remember, Dean has his whiskey flask. That's personal enough to keep a ghost around, especially when goodness knows Dean doesn't want him to be gone.
- Jossed to the extreme in "Party On, Garth." What the consequences of this are for everyone remain to be seen.
- Turns out he's Gabriel. Or so he says. That could turn out to be yet another Trick.
- That's the most disturbing theory I've heard yet. Except the Virgin Mary was married to a guy named Joseph, not one named John.
- And let us never speak about my short term memory for my own religion again. Still, John is the name of half the New Testament people, so cut me some slack. Lest I post a WMG that John the Baptist was Joseph's Flying Brick superhero identity
- And notice that one of the alternate names for Lucifer is "Samael." So close to the name of his vessel Samuel.
- Yes please. I think I read a fic like this once...
- Wrong character but, aside of that, it wasn't too far from the truth.
- Heh, heh, heh....
- YMMV depending on your views on religion, since the show follows the actual Judeo-Christian lore quite closely.
- Somewhat supported by the end of Swan Song, wherein Chuck whom many fans believe to be God in disguise, says that maybe the apocalypse was a test for Sam and Dean (standing in, presumably, for all of humanity) on what values they would cling to and what paths they would forge when presented with such impossible situations. They wind up choosing love of family and free will over all else—which are both very important values in Judeo-Christian doctrine. Without getting into a theological debate, it's possible, within the show's universe, that God chose Sam and Dean as examples of these human virtues, both to test them AND to teach his fractious angelic children a much-needed lesson about loyalty and forgiveness.
- Makes sense if one stops thinking of God as, well, God, and instead as a parent not much different than any human parent (in his own image, much?). God's almost always referred to as a father and the archangels actually call him "Dad". It's like he's got a species made of nothing but indecisive twenty-somethings; they're old enough to support themselves, in theory, but they still haven't moved passed the point of missing the time when Mommy and Daddy took care of paying the rent. Kind of supported by the conversation between Castiel and Dean at the end of Swan Song, when Castiel told Dean he got exactly what he wanted. To this troper it implied that having God snap his fingers and make everything alright forfeited the right to free will, just like a twenty-something still depending on his parents can't truly be said to be an independent adult.
- Confirmed! Misha Collins stated in this interview at around the 3:40 mark that Chuck was indeed God.
- It's also more subtly implied earlier in the episode, he's writing about the car, so he knows what will happen, but professes ignorance to the brothers. This shows he is actually directing events rather than passively knowing about them. Sam appearing immediately after Chuck says "they passed" suggests this was all a test of human free will, and he has released Sam without freeing Lucifer.
- The problem with this theory is that the amulet didn't work in season 4 when they first met Chuck. But God being God, he probably found a way to negate the effects, or maybe the amulet wasn't working from the beginning.
- Joshua himself rather explicitly said that if God doesn't want to be found, the necklace will do no good. Which kinda makes sense, considering that it is God we're talking about.
- The alternate possibility is that, as a prophet, Chuck has finished the story that he started all those years ago. His job done, he's been whisked off to Heaven.
- The way I see it, Chuck actually lived happily ever after with Becky. God assumed Chuck's form, and residence, for that episode. It certainly explains a lot more, including the change in personality of moments when he's alone during that long gap between appearances. Though I'm still kind of weirded out by that one call he was expecting. Though maybe that was an act to not have Dean realize he was expecting him.
- Biblically, prophets and the like usually die/are assumed to heaven after their work is done. My sanity demands this be true with Chuck, because otherwise, what was the point of the amulet?
- Easy: The revelation of God's apathy towards the Apocalypse acts a huge turning point and a catalyst for some of what happens next. Cas, after his desperate searching, is devastated to find God is blatantly hiding from them and loses most, if not all, of his faith in just about everything (God, Heaven, the Winchesters and their plan). Hell, he even ends up on a bender over it. Dean really loses faith as well, and in the next few episodes basically does a 180 and thinks that maybe saying yes to Michael isn't such a bad idea.
- This Troper came over to this page right after seeing the finale, and was about to put this one up, but was beaten to the punch!
- right?? just... season 11?
- How often has Cas teleported the boys away from danger leaving the car behind only for it to appear later, or in the next episode with no explanation?
- It was the Impala that got through to Sam at the critical moment in Swan Song.
- John gave the car to Dean, but Dean's the one who convinced John in the first place (long before he was even born), creating a self fulfilling cycle.
- The car reflects the state of the world/main characters. The damage to the car in 2014 reflected the state of the world. The car was trashed right before the first major death in the show, was "douched up" while Dean was in hell, and was put away under a tarp while Sam was in hell/souless.
- In the 6th season episode 'Clap Your Hands If You Believe' the special X-Files intro features the words 'The Truth is in Here' super imposed over the Impala.
- So does that means they're the Supernatural version of the Trinity?
- Or possibly the Hindu Trimurti: God is Brahman the Creator, Death is Shiva the Destroyer, and in a twisted way, Eve is Vishnu the Preserver, creating Alphas and in turn, monsters, all of whom she preserves in Purgatory.
- This might make sense, except it is apparently the Boss that really wants the Winchesters dead. Since it's basically canon that it was God who teleported Sam and Dean after Lucifer's cage was opened, it kind of gives the impression that God would prefer it if they stayed alive.
- He only wanted them alive during the Apocalypse. Now that it's over, anything goes. It might also be a case of the Levis unofficially considering God their Boss.
- This might make sense, except it is apparently the Boss that really wants the Winchesters dead. Since it's basically canon that it was God who teleported Sam and Dean after Lucifer's cage was opened, it kind of gives the impression that God would prefer it if they stayed alive.
- My fanon is that all demons look vaguely humanoid, only nightmarishly distorted: say, one is unnaturally bloated like Jabba the Hut while another is downright skeletal with long, thin limbs. They're also scarred from Hell in various ways, like maybe they're skinless or burnt or soaked in blood or a combination thereof. They exude the same kind of smoky aura hellhounds do. That said, I think (from what I've read) demons are supposed to look like Mix-and-Match Critters in lore, which I like because Zachariah implies that angels' true form also looks like that and it would be ironic to have yet another similarity between angels and demons (maybe Lucifer was trying to "fix" Lilith by making her more angelic and it back-fired horribly?).
- That's a really interesting theory. What you said about Mix-and-Match Critters reminds of the Johannes Cabal series, in which demons are described as looking like a random assortment of animal body parts.
- Maybe demons look like Cenobites? When Dean referenced the movie, Ruby said that they actually got it pretty close... minus the leather, so maybe demons look like naked Cenobites?
- Maybe even Gordon, who became a vampire.
1. John was a neutral vessel and could've been used by either Michael or Lucifer depending on which archangel got to him first. Then when he had his two kids the vessel bloodlines broke into two seprate ways with Dean and his kids being the Michael vessels. Then with Sam and his kids being the Lucifer vessels and when John had Adam. Adam and his kids become a lineage of neutral vessels to be used by either Michael or Lucifer. The reason John was a neutral vessel was because one of his parents was the Michael vessel while the other was the Lucifer vessel.
2. John's family was from the Michael vessel bloodline and Mary's family was from the Lucifer vessel bloodline and that's why they were targeted by the cupids and why Dean and Adam were Michael vessels while Sam wasn't.
3. Azazel when he was a human was Lucifer's vessel and was possessed by Lucifer last time Lucifer caused a bunch of trouble on earth a few thousands years ago. So when Lucifer was tossed into the cage so was Azazel and during those long years in the cage. He eventually become a demon the second of his kind and that's why there has been only one yellow eyed demon and why he was so strong. Also because he was sent into the cage the Lucifer vessel bloodline ended with him that's why he talked to Lucifer during the 60's and found out he needed to create a special child. He went around dipping his demon blood into the mouthes of babies who were from other angel vessel bloodlines. Thus corrupting angel and archangel vessels into Lucifer vessels and that's why Sam was one true vessel. Cause he was a corrupted Michael vessel from his dad's side and that's why Sam could be used by Lucifer and a corrupted archangel vessel would be the best fit for Lucifer. That's why Sam could be possessed by Lucifer while Adam and Dean could only be possessed by Michael. Also only Azazel's demon blood can turn an angel or archangel vessel into a Lucifer vessel.
- Your second theory seems the likeliest. Look at the people we know to be vessels:
- John, Adam, and Dean Winchester were all possibilities for the Michael sword, so the Winchester bloodline is the Michael bloodline. While we don't know too much about Adam, we can guess that traits of the Michael vessel bloodline would be things like loyalty, modesty, honesty, a hard worker, and incredible love for one's family. Wouldn't all of those sound a lot like we know of Michael? He said he more or less raised Lucifer - Sam and Dean parallels, anyone? - but despite loving him more than anyone else, he'd still kill him if/because his father said to. Again, switch out the names and that's Dean and Sam right there.
- If we go with that, then the Campbell bloodline is the Lucifer bloodline. Look at the Campbells we see, particularly in season six, but remember Mary, too. To quote lurea's post on the subject, "There's a willingness to make deals with demons, cold-blooded attitude toward killing, and general lack of mercy and compassion. Theyre smart but dont seem to love that mucheven each other because theres little to no reaction every time one of them is killed. So I think we can assume Grandpa Campbells desire to get Mary back was not motivated by selfless love. So, Deadly sins: pride, wrath, greed, and lustthats 4 of 7, right there. Sorta like Lucifer, who is very arrogant and prideful, cold and intelligent, ruthless and manipulative, and doesnt seem to care about anyone except Michael." Sam is really, really smart, and sometimes slightly arrogant because of it. He drank the demon blood, and hid it from Dean, all through season four. He's not really "cold" or "ruthless", no, except during his stint as Soulless!Sam during season 6, when that fit perfectly. And you know, 8x04 he seems to have a knack for fixing air conditioners and fans, and then that ice machine... perhaps that's symbolic in some way, foreshadowing of trouble yet to come?
- And then Castiel's bloodline, the Novaks, Jimmy and Claire. Again as lurea says it, "Jimmy was an ad salesman for AM radioso quite possibly for Christian programming. Its likely that he not only had faith, he lived it outwardly, in a way that supported his faith. Jimmy was middle-class, probably college educated. So the Castiel bloodline is devout, intelligent, honest, shows loyalty to a higher cause, fearless (boiling water), hard-working, and willing to sacrifice everything to do the right thing." Much like Cas, who is devoted to God, and later to Dean, and who sacrifices himself repeatedly for the sake of his cause or for Dean.
- Your second theory seems the likeliest. Look at the people we know to be vessels:
John and his Winchester relatives are descendants of Abel while Mary and all (Hunter) Campbells are from Cain. Since Sam and Dean's angelic bloodline was said to be tied all the way to Cain and Abel, this makes the most sense in the bloodlines of Earth's second pair of angsty brothers coming back together to create the vessels for the very first angsty brothers. It could also explain why the Campbells have all become Hunters — Hunting is an unnamed part of the punishment described for Cain's descendants in The Bible.
Since the Bible follows the descendants of Adam and Eve's third son, Seth, it stands to reason that there are very few decendants of Cain and even less of Abel (since he died before he could have a ton of kids).
So, Abel's descendants can host Michael while Cain's can host Lucifer. This also explains why Adam was, as a Winchester only, able to host Michael but was never sought by Lucifer. But if Lucifer had picked one of those other Campbells...
- Cain and Abel might have only had a few children, but after six thousand years, their number of descendants will either be zero or everyone on Earth; firstly because the Flood is mentioned in 6.20, so everyone on Earth is descended from Noah anyway (ETA: scratch that. I checked the Bible and, to give the SPN writers some credit, Noah is not a descendant of Cain or Abel, his ancestor is Seth. That actually works, provided one of his daughters-in-law is descended from Abel and another from Cain.) But even ignoring that: Dean and Sam have two parents, four grandparents, eight great-grandparents... take this back five or six thousand years and their ancestors encompass every member of the human race. Just like everybody else on the planet. The only way the bloodline thing makes any sense is if the angels have been using to Cupids to selectively breed Cain and Abel's descendants with members of their own family (like in Preacher), finally leading to one Abel-descendant and one Cain-descendant. (Actually, given that we know the angels did get Mary and John together, that kind of makes sense...)
- Seeing that Cass claimed that the Bible got a lot of stuff wrong, it seems highly likely that the Cupids and other angels worked their mojo to make sure that everyone leading up to Dean and Sam worked out just right. They might have saved a Cain-descendant and Abel-descendant from the Flood for the exact purpose of keeping the bloodlines separate from Noah/Seth. They just had to make sure that there was at least one surviving member every generation.
1.He is the only demon so far seen to have Yellow Eyes, so this is obviously a unique trait.
2.He is immune to holy water.
3.His name ends with "El" (Hebrew for God), as do most angelic names.
- With the revelation that the Nephilim do indeed exist in-universe, it may be possible that he is one of them. Not one hundred percent sure, but doesn't the Book of Enoch say that a) the real life Azazel was one, b) most of them became demons after death? They've even yellow eyes in common...
- I really like this WMG because it creates this very interesting thing where Dean was the one to kill Sam's demon counterpart, and Sam was the one to kill Dean's. Like, it represents how the boys need each other to face their personal demons, metaphorical and literal. Deep man, deep.
- And it would make so much sense, too, seeing as fallen angels can result in virgin births.
- And considering "Joshua" is the literal translation of Jesus' name...I don't know if the creators intended it to work that way, but it certainly holds up.
- Not likely. Eve is apparently some sort of leviathan offshoot and is older than Castiel, an angel. She probably just took up the name Eve as a Take That! to humanity, not because she actually is Eve.
- What's more likely is the inverse - the Biblical Eve is the monster mother, and her legend turned into the biblical version over the years.
- The common consensus is that she's some sort of goddess (see The Other Wiki). Perhaps she's meant to be a pre- Abrahamic Semitic female deity, like Asherah? That would mean she at least comes from the same region as the Leviathan.
- Hey, if Lassie can be the Cain, why not?
- Jessi's mother, who was practically the only person we saw who got possessed years before the series started, seemed alright. Physically, at least.
- Ava was set up with her fiance by a demon. When the demon killed her fiance, it was the beginning of her Break the Cutie journey that led to her FaceHeel Turn.
- Maybe her fiance was Sam's demon pal Brady, Faking the Dead. After all, they shared the same name and Bobby said that demon possessions were rare (before the Hell Gates got opened, of course).
- Max Miller's parents were possessed when they abused him.
- This troper has been accepting that as canon since "Hello Cruel World" when, in one scene, Lucifer stabbed a knife into the table. Several shots later after Lucifer is gone, the knife is still standing upright in the table.
- Pretty much Jossed, much more likely that Sam did it and but perceived it as something Lucifer did (a la Tyler Durden's actions in Fight Club).
- Actually it makes sense. What Cas was supposed to be taking from Sam into himself top cure Sam in BAI (his tiredness? The post traumatic stress? The emotional/physical damage to his soul? This just seems disrespectful to ptsd, that it can just be 'taken away' like that), But what Cas could have been taking is Sam's connection to Lucifer, transferring the connection between Lucifer and his vessel, and thus the ability for Lucifer to communicate through him, to himself.
- And going to Purgatory broke the connection to Lucifer, since Purgatory is (supposed to be) cut off from Heaven, Earth and Hell, which is why Castiel got better.
- The way I interpreted it was that Cas was taking Sam's memories of his time in the Cage, but this would make more sense (I'd say it was probably both, though, because having those memories would still give Sam PTSD even without Hallucifer).
- In Limbo, perhaps?
- The alternate explanation for those four being missing is Ash just hasn't found them yet. He doesn't seem to really know (or care) whose Heaven he's breaking into until he gets there, so it's entirely possible that he just hasn't run into them yet.
- An alternate explanation is that Jo and Ellen (who, if I'm getting my timelines right, just died a few episodes prior to the trip to heaven) just might not have arrived yet. Pamela died almost a full season before, and Ash died in season 2. At least for them, it might be that Ash hasn't had the time to track them down (whereas Sam and Dean have apparently died so often that it's become habitual) for John and Mary, it's possible Ash might have known where their heavens were, but didn't retrieve them because
- Confirmed in-show.
- Just when they say that every demon was once a human. they're just changed by their time in Hell.
- That doesn't imply that demons are just ghosts, though.
- Yes it does. Just very twisted/corrupted ghosts with amped up abilites.
- Burning their bones kills them. Bobby seems to agree with this WMG, and it seems pretty much confirmed.
- OK. So, at the very least, demons are similar to ghosts. So... what happens when their bones get burnt? For ghosts, it doesn't seem like it sends them back to heaven. It looks much more like they get annihilated - totally wiped out. Does that mean that if everyone on the planet was Viking-funeraled, there wouldn't be any more demons?
- Probably not, but it would be AWESOME.
- This could be some weird kind of Fridge Logic- let's say the more the physical remains rot away, the less human a spirit becomes. Most demons should be pretty old, so they've lost any semblance of humanity.
- Demons are similar to ghosts, but they're not exactly the same. Ghosts don't leave behind sulfur. Ghosts don't look like black smoke. Ghosts rarely possess people, and when they do, they don't give them nifty powers like the ability to teleport around or shoot out blasts of demonic light (that DemonBlood!Sam is immune to). It's more fair to say demons are kind of like
pumped-up Super Ghosts, created by Lucifer. Not just regular restless spirits.
- The main point of evidence for this is the first demon's (Lilith) description as a human soul twisted by Lucifer. It would make sense for something altered by an archangel to come a cut above the rest.
- Demons look like black smoke because they were tortured so much, and for so long, that they started to look like black smoke,and as for the sulphur, it could be just a side effect of being in hell.
- The difference here is in what happens after the death of the person. If they're demons, their soul left their human body, the mortal plane, and went to Hell, where it was twisted until the point where it stopped being human, and became a demon. Its strength is likely a result of how long they've been in Hell/moving up a sort of corporate ladder/how they reacted to the experience of Hell. If they're a ghost, they died but because of unfinished business/trauma/Reaper issues, their soul left their human body but stayed trapped in the mortal plane. It did not move on to Heaven or Hell. Its strength and behaviour depends on how long it's been hanging around/the circumstances of its death. It's a similar process in a way, but they're still different beings.
- Alternately, Sam's powers depend on his mental state. The demon blood has proven (and even been discussed) to make Sam feel more powerful and in control, more dominant; being an empathetic person at heart, maybe he simply cannot access those emotions, and by extension the powers, without its influence.
- This troper agrees. It makes perfect sense, given what we leaned in the second season. Reference is made by both Jake and Ava to "letting go," with the implication that all that was required to access their power was willingness to use it at it's full capacity, and to throw away their normal inhibitions. (Which is supported by the fact that the few times Sam has demonstrated powers beyond his visions is in defense of Dean.) I think it's likely that the Demon's Blood did empower Sam's abilities beyond simply allowing him to access his innate potential, but it's influence on his emotional state was probably just as much of a contribution to the sheer power he displayed.
- A third possible explanation is that demon blood acts as a supplement. There are certain drugs that people take to give them synthetic hormones to supplement the body, but if you take it for too long your body becomes unable to produce it effectively enough on it's own, requiring your brain to need the drug to function. Sam was doing fine on his own, but when demon blood was added to the mix and made him more powerful, whatever the magic that gives him psychic abilities was could no longer be produced on it's own, it needed to be supplemented with the blood. Hence the need to "detox" Sam, as it would be the only way for him to function without it.
- Hah! He does kind of look like a Q, too, doesn't he? Jossed by "Changing Channels," sadly. Though since he's described as a pagan god, and addressed as "Loki" by the other gods in Hammer of the Gods, that might explain where some of his power comes from.
- No, no, no, Q is actually Gabriel - we all know he likes pranks, especially involving aliens: pretending to be an advanced alien lifeform in order to mess with the humans would totally be his style.
- This Troper would like to point out that, in the Expanded Universe novels, Q is pretty much every single Trickster God ever (including Loki), not just on Earth. Q is also on the Pals with Jesus page, for what it's worth. Making this one...hilariously possible.
- Guys, this one was totally confirmed! The Trickster = Loki = Gabriel, and Q = Loki, meaning Gabriel/the Trickster = Q.
- Alternatively, he's never actually appeared to anyone. He just makes copies of himself to mess with people.
- Confirmed in Changing Channels: He's actually Gabriel.
- Uh, what about the fact that another angel can kill him? Not to mention that being trapped by holy fire is a weakness, if not necessarily a fatal one.
- To be fair, we don't really know what a realistic depiction of the effects of spending time in hell on one's psyche, would look like. We know what the effects of physical and mental torture are, and these are portrayed accurately to Real Life. But we really have no idea what exactly supernatural or mystical torment would do to someone, so they have a bit more leeway here. For all we know, torture in hell only hurts a person's soul, not their mind, which could be why his personality isn't noticeably changed.
- Then again, if we are to believe Ruby, some "bodiless spirits" in Hell actually become demons, so they did change. I could see both of those working, though, since it seems to be accurate for ghosts, and Dean. In fact, this is something I have assumed as true without even realizing it's not explicitly canon...
- It is never stated, however, that time actually moves slower in hell. This seems to be a common misconception among Supernatural fans. It is only stated that time feels like it lasts much longer, what with the indescribable agony and all. Kind of like how a really bad day can seem to drag on forever, but it's not actually any longer than any other day.
- Or, the world began the same way it's going to end. Elder brother kills younger brother.
- I hope so, or else Adam's spent the last 120 years in Hell alone with two archangels.
- It is possible Raphael has (or is going to) raise Adam from the pit the same way Castiel did for Sam, i.e. without a soul.
- There's the possibility that he tortured demons for the information, but we've seen time and again that most demons are unwilling to give anything up unless threatened with death or Sam's super-duper demon powers (which makes sense, given how much time they spend in Hell anyways). Without the colt, Colt had no such leverage. The chances of him finding a demon that WOULD give in to torture is pretty low because prior to the beginning of the series, demons didn't show up all too often, as Bobby said, "1 or 2 a years, tops".
- More likely, he had help to create the gun from an archangel, maybe Michael, or God Himself. Or even more likely, from Death. After all, Death obviously has a connection to anything that, well, kills things, we know he likes things that even the odds and tend to bring balance (and the Colt definitely does that, putting humans and supernatural entities on a much more level playing field), and the Colt seems to be kind of like a slightly less powerful version of Death's Scythe, which Crowley said could kill anything, no exceptions, even Death himself. Whichever it is, a gun that can kill anything in creation with only five exceptions, seems far beyond the power of any human, or even any demon, to construct.
- We're probably going to find out in the upcoming episode.
- I call Stable Time Loop.
This is also where he got the principles that allowed him to lock up Hell Gates, not by placing a door on Hell's side, but by locking it down on Man Domain ('Reality').
- Confirmed in the premiere of Season 7. God created Purgatory to trap the Leviathans, the first beings he created before anything else.
- What about The Mother of All is at all similar to Eve?
- Besides their name and function not much but my theory is that Eve was a normal human being until Lucifer altered her somehow a few thousand years ago. The reason Lucifer changed Eve was because she confronted him about what he did to daughter Lilith. So Lucifer turned her into the first monster in existence and Eve started creating monsters and somehow she got locked up in purgatory.
- This might've jossed your theory 
Since the angels are, for the most part, dead, we'll encounter much more powerful entities who are the Leviathans' counterparts - the Zoas/Emanations from Blake's mythology. It'll be revealed that Urizen was one of them before becoming leader of the Leviathans.
- Very unlikely, first of all because Gabriel appears to have stuck to one mythology when on earth, and there are countless tricksters in mythologies all over the world. Also, Loki actually has kids of his own in Norse Mythology. Some with human women- in which case the kids are human- some with pagan gods, some with human men, at least one with a horse, and even one myth has him birthing an entire new species. Check old Norse mythology- just look up Sleipnir's origin story.
Proof? You want actual proof? Here's a quote from "Party On, Garth": "Hey, I love [wine coolers]. Anything sweet."
- Guys. Prophets have to be protected by an archangel. Who was Kevin staying with and watched over throughout the whole of season 8? Of course, Garth was gone a lot, but isn't it just like Gabriel to get bored and go cause a little havoc somewhere? I mean, he's hardly the most responsible angel we've ever seen.
- Actually came to add this one, but I will point out that now that we know about Nephilim, we know that Jesus totally could work some miracles if he had an angelic father. And remember — Jesus himself never said he was the Son of God.
Why would Lucifer and The Darkness claim any different? To manipulate Dean and Sam. The devil himself and the creator of all evil aren't above lying or manipulation.
- This may have been Jossed in the finale. She was able to significantly weaken and nearly kill God (and Death has referred to the fact that he would one day reap God before). In fact, it seems clear she would have been able to kill him if she'd decided to make the final blow. This implies that the Supernatural version of God is not omnipotent, at least not where his sister is concerned. While it doesn't necessarily prove which of the two is more powerful (one good shot can be used to disarm a much stronger opponent) it does allow the possibility that she is his equal. This is similar to what's called the omnipotence paradox. Basically, the question is, could God create a rock so heavy that he himself could not lift it? If God's omnipotent then it means he can. Of course, if he's omnipotent it means he should be able to lift any rock which means he can't do it. So you have a paradox. Having two omnipotent beings creates the same logic. If God's omnipotent he should be able to lock his sister away no matter how powerful she is. If God's sister is omnipotent she shouldn't be able to be locked away no matter how powerful God is. If they're both omnipotent, what happens? In practice, neither can be truly omnipotent in relation to the other.
When a pair of mortal 'Hunters' crash her investigation, she goes along with it, keeping up her cover to find out more about them while she helps them take down Roman. She then reports back to the New Watchers' Council. They are glad to hear of the defeat of Roman and show her a file they have on the Winchester family. They continue to send her on missions, and she occasionally takes some time off, playing/running a major LARP. When the Winchesters show up, she is dismayed to realise that her LARP is now one of her investigations. The Winchesters help her clean house and then leave. Having helped the Winchesters to solve two cases now, she becomes the resident expert on Hunters for the N.W.C. Occasionally, she even joins a 'Hunter' on a case.
Her eventual death is magically faked by the Watchers, as part of an emergency extraction designed to stop her cover being blown while keeping her safe.
It makes even more sense when you consider that Sam could let lower-ranking angels possess him; perhaps Jimmy is the same way, it's just that Lucifer wasn't interested in possessing him. Considering that the ability to be possessed by archangels apparently comes from Cain and Abel and every human on earth is their descendants, there has to be more potential vessels than the ones we've seen.