Trope Misuse Cleanup In General

So, Blood Brothers is supposed to be about two characters (usually male) who make a pact of some sort to be brothers/sisters in spirit. This often (but not always) happens when two characters become Fire-Forged Friends after a battle or war. The images, the name and part the description focuses on the Blood Oath variation, where two characters make the pact by cutting their palms and then doing a handshake so that their mixed blood will symbolize their bond.

But a lot of the examples are about characters who consider themselves family without making a pact or the pact itself isnt described or mentioned at all.

I dont have time to post a wick check right now. Just posting here to make sure I am not the only one who sees the misuse and so that I will have discussion to use as reference if other people say I should take it to TRS.

(Small) Example sample:

• In Saint Beast, Judas repeatedly asks Luca to stand by him, and when he tries to do things alone Luca reminds him that alone means both of them.
• Ted declares this for Barney and Marshall in the season three finale of How I Met Your Mother, which causes Barney to start needling him about who's his best brother, in reference to his and Marshall's long running argument over who's Ted's best friend.
• In Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, Hercules and Iolaus have admitted to loving each other as brothers. (The fanfic writers often choose to ignore those last two words.)
• The entire point of The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. The girls practically consider themselves family being born around the same time and basically spending their entire lives together. It's in the title, man!

These two are ZC Es but from my very little knowledge of both, this is misuse.

• The cast of K-On! are one of the rare female versions of this trope.
• Similarly, the Four-Girl Ensemble of A Certain Scientific Railgun also count.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 11th 2021 at 11:07:50 AM

- I'd restrict it to Blood Oath-type and split the others into something else.

I am seeing people use it for Theatre.Blood Brothers more than once. Is it ok if I post a wick check here for reference when I do come around to making a thread on TRS?

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 2nd 2020 at 9:33:03 AM

- No reason why you can't prep the check early.

At least it's only 613 wicks, ... I'd fix the Theatre wicks when see them, personally.

Are you saying it's a significant population of the 613 wicks?

No, it was just a side comment because I was wondering if there might be issues with the name not being clear. I only found 2 so far

I checked 10 wicks and each one either didnt have enough context, characters who are sworn brothers but didnt have a pact or just plain misuse for things like Declaration of Protection. I havent found the blood pact version yet. I will checking 50 wicks. And will post the check later tonight.

I'm starting to wonder if TRS needs to revisit The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others. Last attempt clocked out.

Asking since I just now had to remove misuse.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 23rd 2020 at 5:22:31 AM

Where was the misuse?

Dawalk86 is still adding bad examples to Through a Face Full of Fur even after I pinged them in this thread and cleaned the page up. I sent them a PM and removed the misuse; hopefully they stop now.

(Ignore this, I was confused)

Edited by Libraryseraph on Mar 25th 2020 at 8:04:36 AM

Brainulator: The misuse was on a character sheet. I'll do a wick check this weekend.

Edit: Dawalk has been called in.

Edited by Berrenta on Mar 25th 2020 at 10:20:39 AM

Found this on YMMV.Black Mirror for Germans Love David Hasselhoff:

• It's also apparently quite popular in Hollywood.

Is this misuse? I believe this trope is supposed to be applied to different regions and nations, not just neighborhoods like Hollywood. I'm not even sure what it's supposed to exactly mean anyway; is it trying to say it's popular among famous actors in Hollywood or something?

On the caption for the image on Superstore, Dina’s name potholes to Jerk with a Heart of Jerk. Considering that trope generally applies to Hate Sink/antagonist characters, would it make more sense for it to pothole to Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist?

Personally, I'd be happy to throw out all of those potholes in the caption.

Agreed, pull them all.

Wiped out the potholes in the Superstore caption.

I am noticing that there several examples of Frothy Mugs of Water that really belong on Drunk on Milk as they don't involve alcohol in a work being censored in an edited version after clicking a link that potholed to frothy mugs instead of Drunk on Milk when the charactees where just treating apple cider like beer.

I should probably also mention Drunk on Milk somewhere on Frothy Mugs of Water's description

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 17th 2020 at 3:48:28 PM

I wasn't sure where to take this query. ATT suggested I bring it here.

I think this Web Original sub-page (ShipTease.RWBY) is heavily misusing the trope. The page is treating the trope like it's a YMMV Moments trope or a het version of Ho Yay, where everything the fandom can interpret as Ship Tease is being recorded. Part of the problem is that the page came into existence when one ship was moved from the Ho Yay page to the Ship Tease trope after it became clear that one of the ships has genuine tease in the show. However, it was never cleaned up to separate YMMV from genuine tease, and the sub-page has only grown since then.

Most of the ships mentioned on the page are probably valid. I think there are two entries that need to be removed. The rest can just be reduced down to a paragraph per ship, and then the decision will be whether to keep this sub-page or transfer the work back to the Web Original page and cutlist the page.

My suggested rewrite is in the folder below. There was also a suggestion on the ATT thread that the trope may need a wider clean but I haven't looked more widely than this work right now.

Edited by Wyldchyld on May 5th 2020 at 12:12:53 PM

Better on DVD, particularly the film folder, has a lot of examples that don't fit the definition of a series being more enjoyable/coherent when binge-watched.

Dramedy has a lot of on-page examples that I don't think fit. The last paragraph says this:

I wanted to check in before removing such a large number of examples.

Examples:

• Hayate the Combat Butler: Action-comedy, not drama-comedy
• Soul Eater: Shonen adventure show
• Space☆Dandy: Adventure show, also almost entirely comedy
• Zombieland Saga: Horror Comedy with fantastic premise
• All the video game entries have plots driven by Speculative Fiction and/or adventure, with the exception of YIIK: A Post-Modern RPG and possibly Video Game/MOTHER (I haven't played it but it might have enough mundane elements to count).
• Addictive Science, Captain Ufo, Cucumber Quest, Homestuck, Iron Violet: The Shy Titan, and Neo Kosmos all have fantastical elements as the central part of the plot.
• Similarly, Dragon Ball Z Abridged,Sword Art Online Abridged are adventure stories
• Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog superhero story
• Hazbin Hotel Horror Comedy
• Red Vs Blue: Adventure comedy with Cerebus Syndrome
• RWBY: Adventure story all the way
• Western Animation with an adventure/fantasy/superhero-driven plot: The Adventures of Puss in Boots, Adventure Time, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Ben 10, Disenchantment, Ducktales 2017, Gargoyles, Miraculous Ladybug, Rick and Morty, Samurai Jack, Steven Universe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987) (entry admits its action-comedy), Teen Titans (also admits its an action show), The Venture Brothers, Voltron: Legendary Defender

I agree with cutting those. People seem to think that the trope mean "a work that has both serious and funny moments", regardless of if it fits the genres of Drama or Comedy, nevermind both.

Edited by TheMountainKing on Aug 9th 2020 at 1:44:09 PM

Offical and credible sources have classified Steven Universe as a comedy-drama, however, so it can stay.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Aug 9th 2020 at 7:41:26 AM

That language might be used in promotional material, but that doesn't mean the show actually fits into the genre Dramedy.

Any advice on my Ship Tease query above?

Should we start a cleanup thread for Were Still Relevant Dammit? It's supposed to be for long runners, but gets misused for any work that tries to pander to the youth, no matter how long it runs. For example, on YMMV.Hip Hop Harry:

• Were Still Relevant Dammit: This show just reeks of trying to appeal to "the youth" at the time, with using rap songs to get lessons across and even its own theme song proving this. The show ran from 2006 to 2008, so that's not an example. Totally Radical, yes, but WSRD, no.
• Shuri's "WHAT ARE THOOOOSE?!" line has made plenty of eyes roll due to its sheer Were Still Relevant Dammit tone. But not only is it simply funny, but it's also perfectly in character for the irreverent and youthful Shuri to say to tease her older brother. Besides: It's far less obnoxious than the meme it's spawned from thanks to Shuri's voice not being nearly as obnoxious. It could maybe count as the Marvel Cinematic Universe is long-running, but maybe an Unintentional Period Piece.

Edited by ccorb on Aug 10th 2020 at 11:23:59 AM

...wait, that was a reference to something? I thought it was just comedic overreaction.