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No names come to mind, but maybe IUEO can help curb some of the misuse.
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Yep, I second making this In-Universe Examples Only.
I don't yet understand what the misuse pattern is. Can OP cite an example or two?
edited 12th Dec '17 5:04:05 PM by eroock
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a misuse from Characters.Hunie Pop:
- The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others: She's the only character in HunieCam whose sprite is drawn head-on. All the other girls' sprites show them from an angle.
This trope is supposed to be about dialog, where the last item from the list stands out, usually to humorous effect. Characters or other things, don't count because they don't usually have an arbitrary order and more can/will appear in later works, so they can't have a "last".
Here's another misuse.
- What the Hell, Hero?: Jasmine dresses down her father, Aladdin, and [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Jafar]] for discussing her future right in front of her.
It's being used in the story, it's just flavoring for the example, which I suspect is fueling misuse. Making IEUO would fix that.
I see. If we are hard-on about this being dialog-only, we should remove some of the non-verbal entries listed as subtropes, like Caps Lock, Num Lock, Missiles Lock, Flight, Strength, Heart and The Runt at the End.
Psshhh...
I also support In-Universe/Dialogue examples only.
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I support the "make this clearly a dialogue-only trope".
I don't understand the "make this In Universe Examples Only" argument, because it isn't part of Audience Reactions.
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@ eroock: Those are specific enough that I don't see any misuse or reason to delete them.
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This trope should also get an Image Pickin' thread. The image implies that it isn't just dialogue or a type of gag. Though that should probably come after the TRS thread.
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^^ Alright, but then the supertrope description should not mention this to be exclusively about dialog-driven examples.
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Dialogue can be written, in addition to verbal.
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I'm pretty sure that was in response to post 6, because you mentioned removing non-verbal tropes from the list of subtropes. Did you mean non-dialogue?
Anyway, I agree with limiting this to examples that actually appear in dialogue. See post 16.
Edit: Even if certain tropes turn out to not be subtropes, I could see listing trope names as examples, such as in an index or TV Tropes section. Recently, an ATT thread discussed doing something similar for Alliterative Name because of how long the Added Alliterative Appeal index got.
edited 16th Feb '18 6:25:07 AM by GastonRabbit
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No, the other one.
I don't think it should need to strictly be dialogue, but it has to be in a sequential list. If it's in narrative text, it still works. If it's a visual gag done the same way (such as by panning the camera over several things, the last of which is contrasting), it's still the same idea.
The important thing the way I see it is that it has to be presented that way, in order. Not just, "a bunch of these are the same, and this one is different", such as the first example in post 5.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I take back what I said about dialogue-only examples, because that sounds pretty good. It's still an end-of-list outlier that's intentional on the part of the creators, as opposed to something that's just different incidentally.
To rephrase my concern, if we decide to include visual examples, the first line of the description "A dialogue trope where a character makes a list of items..." has to be expanded.
edited 16th Feb '18 3:24:20 PM by eroock
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
That makes sense.
There's still the question of things that all appear at the same time with one being noticeably different (e.g. the current Trope image) as well as listsnote where the noticeably different thing is not the last one; although the Trope description as currently listed allows for "the penultimate one". If we don't find the Missing Supertrope for these two types of examples or else expand this Trope to cover those examples, with the current name being a Redirect to the new one, the Square Peg, Rectangular Trope-type of misuse would still occur.
Maybe to address list cases where the different one is not one of the last 2, the description can have a note after "the penultimate one" saying: "Or really any item after the theme for the list of items has been established." Alternatelly, I'm wondering if such examples are Subversions of this Trope, or even Double Subversions; the initial subversion being that it's not the last one or two on the list, with the double being that there is an established theme to the list with one item definitely violating that theme, it's just not one of the last two; the list could be rearranged to fit the Trope.
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Per this ATT
, it was deemed The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others only applies to dialog. However, it is used for anything that's perceived as breaking a trend. It doesn't work since it stops being "last" as/if the story progresses, so dialog is the one place with an arbitrary end needed to make it work. Wick check: 1949 wicks, 4,825 inbounds after removing any misuse as they come up since the mods verified it's misuse:
Character Pages are a magnet for misuse, I could likely have done 50 misuses from that alone.
18 of the questionable examples stem from the trope being applied to the page as opposed to the work. This seems the biggest cause of misuse. Making it In-Universe only might fix that.
At least 18 questionable and at least 14 misuse/those replaced with more precise tropes (which would have been MUCH higher if I didn't stop counting Character Pages due to chronic misuse) gives at least a 32/50 misuse. More then half the examples are misused. Needs some kind of clean-up. Maybe a new name that clearly limits this trope to dialog?