- I'm just imagining the war ending, and England having to go through Eddie Izzard's bit... The section in question is in the last about 40 seconds (I couldn't find a more specific clip :<) But the rest is worth a listen; if for no other reason than that it's pretty close to what the series is.
- Confirmed, India made its appearance in the Halloween Special
- She is counted among the Asian group, and yet, she wears a western Meido uniform. This probably reflects the Philippines' rather Western and Latin culture [despite being Asians] and the fact that many foreign maids are Filipino women. This has a bit of Unfortunate Implications for many Filipino fans because of Real Life abuses against the maids, but they are quite willing to accept her since she looks like a Tsundere and a Ninja Maid.
- Actually, that's Vietnam. There is a character in the first episode of the anime who is speculated to be the Phillipines, though.
- Word of God says the maid is simply a Spanish housemaid. I predict we'll get Philippines when he finishes drawing the ASEAN 10 as he said he wanted to do.
- Officially Jossed. Himaruya was trying out another design for Vietnam with that sketch, and he's still trying to decide what type of hairstyle to give her.
- Actually, that's Vietnam. There is a character in the first episode of the anime who is speculated to be the Phillipines, though.
- Kurdistan is a nation without a state, whose people tends to organize as their own government. It even provides services where and when it is able to. He is a young nation, who is argued over by older nation-tans who have joint custody of him.
- So he would be a brother to Iran, but Turkey and Iraq hate him for being annoying.
- And he'd be the (grand)son of Media-tan.
- Which was itself formed from the broken HRE, so...
- The UK is completely male, it's already canon in that England's been tormented by his brothers since his childhood. Depending upon whether you believe that Ireland would be related to England or not, this would mean that it would also be represented by a male.
- Did it say that England only has brothers, or just has brothers plural? Because it's completely possible that they have a half-sister, and/or that Eire is the closer to Earth but less social fraternal twin to the Cute, but Cacophonic brother who isn't Scotland or Wales.
- Jossed. It's specifically said England has four older brothers.
- Where so? I remember it being said he was the youngest of four brothers, which would provide weirdness for Northern Ireland being one of the elders ones (unless the Irelands were twins). He has not seemed to say much about Ireland itself in regards to their relation to England or Northern Ireland, except that their brows are thick yet with a different feel than England's.
- well maybe ireland is so tomboyish that aurthur considers her a brother even though she's a girl
- I have read notes where he said that Ireland would probably be female.
- If he's the youngest of 4, then the 4th brother would have to be Ireland, there's no real way around it. The UK has 4 countries, but Northern Ireland didn't make an appearance until the 20th century when England would already have been about 1,100 years old. Therefore, you're left with the brothers consisting of Scotland, Ireland, England, and Wales. Unless a source appears on the above troper's claim that the canon has changed, that's what we have to go with.
- In regards to the above: check below for some links that show Northern Ireland as one of the brothers. This actually makes sense, since while Northern Ireland as we know it only appeared in the last century, the Province of Ulster has been around for longer than a united Ireland, being one of the small kingdoms that eventually came to be part of Ireland, much like the Heptarchy mentioned below.
- Going off topic here, but if he's the youngest of four, what about Sealand?
- You have to think of Sealand along the lines of America, he really doesn't factor into the equation despite the role of 'brother'. The "4 brothers" refer to the countries which made up the British Isles before the UK was formed. Northern Ireland, because it came so late, is also not counted in the original four. Because the UK doesn't represent Sealand (the UK has actually gone to great lengths to avoid dealing with them because they're so volatile and annoying), he also isn't counted when it's referred to England representing his brothers in meetings. I personally like to think of Sealand more as a child in a series insistent on the terms 'brother' and 'sister', he was more born from England than anything and he doesn't affect England's fraternity.
- Maybe his brothers are Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall. It may not technically be a different country these days and hasn't been for a long time but it was when England first came into existence and remained independent until the 11th century, it's believed to have been more or less left alone by the Anglo-Saxons, and there's apparently quite a few Cornish people who think they're separate from the English, plus it's got it's own culture, language (even if there's very few people who still speak it), and flag.
- If Cornwall is personified, should Isle of Man and Brittany be too? Isle of Man would have to be a man of course, but would Brittany be male despite the name?
- Well Brittany was independent until the 16th century, on the other hand, wouldn't they be France's?
- Isle of Man is independently governed and not part of the UK, so it probably would have a personification. Whether or not he would appear in the series is a different matter (as an unimportant sidenote I like to include him when writing fanfiction).
- It's possible that, due to the fluid change of "countries" in Britain, the 4 brothers have changed over time. England may only be the youngest of the Heptarchy (which would actually be seven, so scratch that), or maybe he was the youngest until a new one came along. Conversely, it hasn't been the first time the author has changed the gender of a Hetalia character. Hungary was originally gonna be a guy, and Poland a girl... so it really could change at his whim. Or, Ireland's a cross-dresser?
- Maybe some of the Heptarchy were/are girls (based on Rule of Funny Essex almost certainly was)? Or maybe he's the youngest of four surviving brothers, since some of the Heptarchy (eg, Wessex and Mercia) probably wouldn't have survived until the present day.
- It would seem that Northern Ireland was the correct assumption, illogical as it may be. But then, no one ever claimed Hetalia to be perfectly logical... Some Stuff is said about Ireland itself, so that's up in the air. Himaruya considered a female Ireland in 2007, but it's not set in stone, and it could easily change. Apparently, she would likely have been a crybaby if he ran with this idea. Well, this strengthens a few arguments without actually settling or jossing anything.
- This troper actually believes that Ireland, Scotland, and Wales are the three older brothers, and Northern Ireland is the younger sister to all of them. That would fit in with both England being the youngest of four brothers and with having a female Irish nation-tan around...
- Did it say that England only has brothers, or just has brothers plural? Because it's completely possible that they have a half-sister, and/or that Eire is the closer to Earth but less social fraternal twin to the Cute, but Cacophonic brother who isn't Scotland or Wales.
- At last, Jossed. Offical design for the Republic of Ireland is male.
- According to the official Hetalia book, "World Wide Walking", that's not Philippines. According to the translation, that's just a maid who's just there in the background.
- Yeah Right. And what is my country (in)famous for in the rest of the world? Maids!
- Actually, Himaruya has confirmed that she is just a Spanish housemaid when a fan asked who she was once. So, there isn't really a personification for Philippines so far in the series.
- Honestly, the belief that this is the Philippines seems more like Filipino fans reaching to find themselves in the canon more than actual, solid theory. A lot of nations have, at this point, not been personified; Philippines isn't an exception.
- Jossed. The Philippines is revealed to be a male.
- According to the official Hetalia book, "World Wide Walking", that's not Philippines. According to the translation, that's just a maid who's just there in the background.
"Las Filipinas" (The Philippines in Spanish) is a feminine noun, and as said somewhere higher up in this page there aren't that many female countries. Unless another WMG above is true and he made the same mistake with the Philippines as he did with America.Why Corazon Rizal? Well Philippines-tan will most likely have a Spanish name (almost everyone in the Philippines does). Plus it'd be a nice tribute to a well-loved former president and the national hero. Some of the other countries' names are based off of historical figures as well.
- Alternatively, she works as a Spanish maid/dominatrix who practices boxing...
- More specifically they are what occurs after a Nation-tan decides that the current ruling bodies of the land they represent are not acting in their land's best interest and take ruler ship for themselves. They become internally prosperous but any and all actions outside there countries fail since they disrupted the true order of things. T'Challa is aware of this that is the real reason why he doesn't sell his cure for cancer, because it only works with Wakanda. Doom on the other hand refuses to believe it hence why he keeps trying to take over the rest of the world.
- Iron Man: Armored Adventures universe's Black Panther isn't Wakanda's Nation-tan. His father was explicitly killed in his back-story, which means that he's human... or Nation-tans can pass on their status as Nation-tan to their biological children after their death. Although, his only successful actions outside Wakanda were against a fellow Wakandan, so the rest of the theory holds true.
- We've seen how Italy came out of Rome's death, so possibly T'Challa's father represented a previous version of Wakanda that was destroyed to the point that after being reconstructed, T'Challa came into being.
- I think that happened in Scandinavia and the World.
- Given this is Hetalia, and it doesn't shy away from Ho Yay, why is the 'female' part important?
- Because if she wasn't then she wouldn't be The Beard.
- I'm pretty sure this one's already canon, considering bodies like Quebec and Vatican City have been personified. It's most likely that he just has had no need to show everything that has representation, and not a matter of that their representation isn't there.
- Which leaves: all the nations and stateless nations have a nation-tan, it's just that Himaruya had yet to reveal them. In any case, all nation-tans and stateless states do exist.
- Che from Evita has nothing to do with Che Guevara. Che is a coloquialism that can be translated as dude. Che represents the people of Argentina, the working class of Argentina or Argentina itself.
- Or let's say that the original South African or Transvaal Republic fought by the British in the Boer War was the original South Africa-tan, then he was demoted to a province as the Transvaal then after the end as Gauteng province. Then, a black South-Africa tan, a mixed or Colored one, took over and became the present South Africa-tan.
- Or maybe South Africa-tan gained the power to change colors (like a chameleon) because of the stress.
- America isn't afraid of Mexico, though, nor does he try to avoid it like Russia always does with Belarus. From the few times Mexico has been mentioned, America seems to alternate between thinking of and working with Mexico like a business partner and considering it a rival/nuisance.
- Besides, Belarus is very forward about 'crossing Russia's borders', if Mexico tried the same thing it would probably end up either shot or sent back home (if not both). Especially now, as the US is in an immigration crack down, there's no way Mexico could be so blatant about his presence. The fanon makes their relationship concerning immigration almost a Tom and Jerry-esque one, and that might be more likely.
- Texas gave America her glasses as she passed away.
Alternatively...
(Sorry, I just can't picture The Republic of Texas still being alive, and if s/he isn't alive then it will be played for Drama.)
- At the same time, APH is an allegorical telling of history that is played for Rule of Funny. And your theory has precedence going against it. Prussia is still around, as well as the other Italy, meaning that two historical nations that no longer exist as nation-states are still running around causing general havoc. Sealand was never a nation (hell, you can describe it as a glorified oil platform and basically get it's nature down).
Just look at China. If you wanted to play it up for drama, the PRC is a young nation who systematically killed all the siblings who rose up from the remains of the Chinese empire, but has the bad fortune of being mentored by Russia (and getting mind-freaked) while waiting desperately for his chance to finally finish the job with the ROC (who, while never regaining her full strength due to her illness, is friends with the US and managed to create a vibrant culture of her own).
Drama only happens on rare occasion, angst is typically out of character, and the main appeal of the show is the fact that it has so many cheerfully unbalanced stereotypes playing out the roles of history.
Besides, wouldn't you want to see this joke with the Zimmerman telegraph:
America: WE HAD A DEAL! I STAY OF EUROPE, AND YOU STAY OF THE AMERICAS! IT WAS THAT SIMPLE!
Texas: Um... hey, ya'll... I really don't like the idea of Mexico trying to invade my vita...
America: Shut up, Texas! The grown ups are talking. - Actually, the joke I want to see come from the Zimmerman telegraph involves a Tsundere Mexico turning down the offer because of the numerous ways it would upset America but saying s/he turned it down because of how difficult it would be (despite the fact that Mexico and America weren't that close at the time). However the main reason I assumed Texas had a bad end was because the glasses that are supposed to represent Texas came across as a Tragic Keepsake, and there can't be a tragic keepsake without a tragedy... however during the reading of your response I figured ways for it to be something other than a tragic keepsake and thus tragedy is no longer required.
- Considering how it's now canon that provinces and such are personified, it's hard to imagine that an economy and population as large as Texas would have been killed off.
- Not to mention the spirit. If the Nation-tans are personifications of belief and identity, well... Texans still celebrate Texas Independence Day, identify themselves as Texans before Americans, and you'll see twice as many Texas flags as American flags if you visit. It's hard to see Texas being dead with all that.
- Following the same logic, there is quite likely a Hawaii as well.
- When they recognize the Texan flag, of course.
- Even if Mexico isn't a girl, most Latin-American Nation-Tans will be. The Dominican Republic and Haiti will have a sort of Italy-Brother's dynamic, Barbados has the Iggy-brows (which she hates), Colombia is a serious emotional wreck, and Puerto Rico is so Tsundere towards America that she tries to forget that she's technically one with him.
- Rather, the CSA was a council of States-tan. Since this is APH we're talking about, all of them were cheerfully deranged and able to be defeated through their eccentricities.
- No, she's clearly America's estranged sister. Her name is Dixie.
- We never see her because she's 1. not politically relevant anymore (she's only still alive thanks to power of belief) and 2. Alfred represents her and the Native America-tans as Arthur does the other British nations.
- Arthur represents the other British nations politically, though. Bodies like Native Americans are essentially unspoken for, especially outside of their various jurisdictions. If Alfred was representing them, he forgot.
- We never see her because she's 1. not politically relevant anymore (she's only still alive thanks to power of belief) and 2. Alfred represents her and the Native America-tans as Arthur does the other British nations.
- Another theory is that he/she exists as a Brazilian Enclave and city called Americana. After the Civil War, many former Confederates immigrated to Brazil, where they were known as Confederadoes. Though they consider themselves Brazilian and no longer clamor for States' rights, they still remember their Confederate heritage. It's likely that CSA was dying by the end of the Civil War and America, not wanting to have his sibling die, gave him/her over to Brazil so he/she could continue to exist.
- Maybe The Confederacy was a figment America's imagination that somehow went wild, and now the Southern states believe he's an actual nation-tan.
- Perhaps it was a Literal Split Personality?
- Newfoundland was where the vikings landed at Vinland making him the oldest. Newfoundland was also a completely separate British Colony until 1949. Meaning that he fought both world wars before joining the Confederation. We never see him because neither America nor Canada can understand the accent he speaks with.
- We've only seen one canonically so far, and the chances of seeing more are quite slim. But, especially considering the micro-nation spree that Himaruya has been on lately, within the laws of the canon they probably are all represented individually.
- Well, China's boss is a dragon, so it's possible.
- In playing with the stereotypes, wouldn't it be more likely he just owns lots and lots of sheep?
- This one I can see, since there's no way that it could be dead with how many people still consider it alive and well. But with how fractured/underfunded/hit by natural disasters it is... Probably short and pretty scrawny.
- Probably not. Because let's face it, many people in the South identify themselves as a separate culture from the North. More likely CSA-tan is still alive and zhe and America have a relationship kinda like Italy and Romano. We probably don't see hir due to a combination of Himaruya not wanting to deal with talk about the The American Civil War and stereotypes about America generally being more linked to the North (except if it involves cowboys, who are from the South).
- I love you.
- This theory could be (and usually is) applied to nations that haven't been personified yet. While I understand the motivation, it doesn't seem to take into account how the series is. Every nation, especially one with a very large population, is culturally diverse. Yet we have single personifications for Russia, China, etc.. Mexico shouldn't be any different.
- It all depends on what Himaruya decides to show us. There appears to be only one nation per country, but we sometimes see more. South Italy, Prussia (East Germany?), and even Scotland, North Ireland, and Wales have been confirmed to exist as nations living with the "main" representatives. It could just be that whoever is dominant gets to take on the name of the country, while the other constituents taken a backseat. We don't really get to see any others, and unless Himaruya decides to show us or tell us, we may never know if there is more than one Mexico (if Mexico even appears at all). Heck, at one point, Himaruya debated making a character for Castile. Not to mention that China did get more than one personification: Hong Kong is now a part of China (having been returned), and Taiwan wants to be China (hosting the government-in-exile of of the Republic of China). We haven't seen enough of Russia to get the full story on him, yet. As well, considering the "micro-nation" wave that happened recently (on top of the ones already introduced), it really wouldn't be that hard to imagine.
- Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales are separate countries, as was East Germany. Don't know a lot about Italian history, but if Italy wasn't two countries at some point then we can always go with the justification that Italy is the main character, so it's natural there would be more focus on Italian history.
- Correction, they were separate countries. And while they maintain their own separate cultures (and recently, parliaments), they are still part of the UK - a unitary state. Arguably, the same point could be made for any number of "countries" and "nations", depending on how we use the term. Mexico is a federation (The United Mexican States). That means it could easily have one, two, or even multiple -tans (a la the German states that had appeared at one point). It could also be that Mexico once had more than one, and the number's been thinned down to a single -tan. All of this, of course, depends on whether or not Himaruya bothers to make Mexico canon by drawing him/her/them/it. As for Italy, there have been a number of states on the peninsula, from a united Italy to two Italys to a large number of city-states.
- Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland are still separate countries today. Although countries are usually independent states it's not necessary for them to be. In this case, England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are formerly independent states that retain their cultural identity, institutions, and historic memories, which by definition makes them countries. These four countries make up the larger country known as the Unite Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
- It all depends on what Himaruya decides to show us. There appears to be only one nation per country, but we sometimes see more. South Italy, Prussia (East Germany?), and even Scotland, North Ireland, and Wales have been confirmed to exist as nations living with the "main" representatives. It could just be that whoever is dominant gets to take on the name of the country, while the other constituents taken a backseat. We don't really get to see any others, and unless Himaruya decides to show us or tell us, we may never know if there is more than one Mexico (if Mexico even appears at all). Heck, at one point, Himaruya debated making a character for Castile. Not to mention that China did get more than one personification: Hong Kong is now a part of China (having been returned), and Taiwan wants to be China (hosting the government-in-exile of of the Republic of China). We haven't seen enough of Russia to get the full story on him, yet. As well, considering the "micro-nation" wave that happened recently (on top of the ones already introduced), it really wouldn't be that hard to imagine.
- It would be history canon, but considering the fact that the region went through a complete shitkicking throughout WWII and the Second Sino-Japanese War, she may not have even survived. Especially since Manchuria was heavily Sinicized following it's incorporation into China. It may still have a regional identity, though, so he/she may still exist similar to Tibet.
- Perhaps Manchuria lives in China's house like Prussia lives in Germany's house, except s/he is now called Dongbei and does things like be a tech help operator (Dalian is a major destination, present-day, of job outsourcing and vacationing for Japanese tech companies) and making crude jokes about the good old days. The Manchu ethnic identity hasn't died yet, so the idea can be explored in fanfiction.
- I think most people had assumed that. There should be, logically.
- I've been pimping these several times on this page, but once more shouldn't hurt. Ireland and North Ireland have been mentioned as minor characters that haven't been seen or properly developed yet. A lot of doors remain open for their eventual characterization.
- Portugal's close relationship with Spain's maritime nemesis England probably doesn't help matters. Goodness, they probably ganged up on Spain to make his life hell during the colonial era...
- Portugal also probably holds a grudge for when Spain was in control of him or her. Their relations have consistently been terrible until the modern day, though they're starting to work it out now.
- While whether or not they're brothers isn't clear (though they have been confirmed to be related), this is somewhat confirmed in that Portugal and Spain's relationship is a rather complicated one, with Portugal leaning more towards Big Brother Bully than anything.
- The whole 'England adopting America' scenario didn't make sense in the first place. What is a European child doing in a land of people which looks nothing like him?
- When America first appeared, it was stated that there were at least 5 European Tans on the continent (there were actually quite a few more). There's no reason a European-descended Tan running around would be a Plot Hole.
- That is actually a very credible theory since Mexico is a mestizo country since the beginning, and ALMOST all the people in Mexico have a distant Spanish and Native american ancestor...
- Just fot the record there was a lot of rape when the Spanish first came to Mexico and many latin countries, and was the main reason of many mestizos...thus the born of Mexico
- More likely is that Mexico's mother was Tlaxcala, who was Spain's lover. This represent the alliance between the Spanish and the Tlaxcaltec.
- "A lot of people in Wales are called Jones, Williams or Davies..."
Obviously, Wales was able to convince England to give America and Canada Welsh last names to go with their English first names. Makes you wonder which Commonwealth country is going to get the "Davies" surname...?
- This same sort of thing could be said for any of the original colonies, though. Virginia, for example, was exceedingly important to the British (economically, socially, governmentally, etc.), and was where the Revolutionary War was finally lost. For the exact reasons you've listed, they are also currently in very good standing with the United Kingdom. There would need to be more provided to say that "New England, as an individual, was forgiven" rather than "all the colonies were forgiven".
- That point is conceded. But the important thing to remember is that New England was the one that started it. The other colonies just participated. So it'd be simpler to forgive the other colonies, who could be seen to have just jumped on the bandwagon, than it is to forgive the young upstart that started the whole thing.
- That's assuming, though, that the one who started it is the one who will be given more responsibility. That's often not the case. In WWI the Austro-Hungarians actually started the war, and the Germans were brought in because of their alliance. Guess who got more of the blame.
- That point is conceded. But the important thing to remember is that New England was the one that started it. The other colonies just participated. So it'd be simpler to forgive the other colonies, who could be seen to have just jumped on the bandwagon, than it is to forgive the young upstart that started the whole thing.
- She'll probably be a Cool Big Sis. And possibly one who has a smashing sense of humor.
- She'll probably be a Cool Big Sis to England, as Portugal is England's oldest ally. The above Aloof Big Brother relationship WMG with Spain likely still applies, regardless of Portugal's actual gender.
- A Cool Big Sis or a Love Interest, it all depends on how you look at the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance.
- She could also be a bit of a Cool Big Sis to America, as the first neutral country to recognize his independence after the Revolution. They still get on well today. (Second point with regards to England may also apply...)
- Jossed. He did not make an appearance in Volume 4, and he was confirmed to be male in Hetaween 2013/2014.
- David Tennant, Gordon Brown, Kevin McKidd, John Barrowman, Alex Salmond, Angus Robertson, Ewan MacGregor, Bruce Crawford, John Swinney, and Keith Brown.
- My scottish brother in law, his two brothers, his father, one of his uncles, his best man, all three of his cousins, and one of his grandfathers; half of whom could grow a beard but prefer to be clean shaven. I met them all at the wedding. Heck I even have photos.
- Jossed. Offical design shows Scotland generally clean shaven.
- Yes. Hell yes. HELL. FUCKING. YES.
- They've been referred to as England's brothers, and when asked about Scotland, Himaruya's speculations used the word "he". He speculated that Ireland could be female. However, nothing's really set in stone yet, so this is possible.
- Well, technically it was for some hundred years...
- I tend to think of Wales on the same terms as people use for the Confederacy. He comes out for a photo op once and a while, but for the most part he's locked in the basement and ignored.
- Alternate theory: Cornwall is England's Canada. To explain: the four parts of the United Kingdom are more separate then you'd expect. N. Ireland, Scotland and Wales all have "Regional Assemblies", which are mini-Parliaments that can call referendums and pass separate laws (although they still have to go by what the British Parliament says). Cornwall doesn't have one, but there is a huge push to have Cornwall as a separate region with its own RA and also to get Cornish listed as a separate nationality. I can picture Cornwall being England's pissy twin brother who is always getting confused for England. He's a lot bitchier about it, though, and flies into a rage when confused for England. As such, the other Brits try to keep him out of the spotlight. Instead of pancakes, he has pasties, and Heaven help you if you confuse him for England while he's drunk...
- As a cornish girl, I am in full support of this theory.
- No Cornwall would be the Quebec/Texas that is always trying to get more equality.
- I... can't see this. It's probably mainly my own headcanon, but I don't think Scotland would fight Ireland for going independent, when they threaten it so much themselves. Also, the UK and Ireland are not at war, and haven't been since Ireland gained independence. I can see some pretty heated arguments going on, but not constant fighting. Plus, I think most of Ireland's anger is probably aimed at England. I think they're just some of the many countries that haven't appeared yet.
- The successful Irish War of Independence (it wasn't the first one) was actually kickstarted during WWI (continued and finished afterwards), making this WMG possibly right but set in the wrong time. Scotland might have fought Ireland with an "if I can't leave you can't!" mentality. Ireland was neutral in WWII, though I like to think he/she did what some Irish soldiers did by pretending to be North Irish - there might be grudges but Ireland still cares about the family that's taking a beating. Scotland and Wales - and Cornwall if he's the last of the older brothers - are playing human. Scotland and Cornwall are with the army or the RAF while Wales is in military intelligence (apparently Welsh was used to develop spy codes like the US used Native American dialects). North Ireland is also either playing human with the RAF or is too young physically to fight and instead helps out on the home front.
- Existance confirmed, they made their debut in Chapter 405
- This could go one of two ways, in my mind. Either Berwick-Upon-Tweed is an immense badass and would go after Russia if Russia ever came near him, or everyone forgot about him in that war, except for Russia. Both of these are the main choices I can see because they sound most like Hetalia's style to me.
- This troper's head canon is that the personification of Berwick-on-Tweed used to be the Anglo-Saxon kingdom of Bernicia (aka the northern part of Northumbria) who's been progressively demoted over the centuries and isn't happy about it.
- Being begrudgingly annexed into Russia's house in the 1700's.
- Changing his entire way of life for Russia despite still fighting back against him.
- Letting Russia move his industries and citizens into his house during WWII and shouldering the Union's agricultural needs, while claiming he's going to leave for China.
- Staying in Russia's house longer than any other Soviet Republic and only leaving when Russia points it out.
- America is male, and has glasses to represent Texas. Femmerica does not wear glasses, but is very Well endowed. The conclusion? Her boobs are Texas.
- Jossed: she lives in another dimension with the rest of the Nyotalia girls.
- That would be pretty cool, but it's probably more likely a new one was born (cf. Ancient Greece and Modern Greece). Although, actually, Poland also came back to life (albeit after a much shorter period of time), and he's still the original... so this would be a fair thing to happen.
- But it's an incredibly old nation.
- Alternatively, Israel is a young -tan but there's another who represents Old Israel/Jewish Diaspora. Likely Modern Israel's older sibling or parent.
- There was an actual Kingdom of Israel in the old days, so an Ancient Israel-tan did exist. Unfortunately, Ancient Rome probably killed her like he did Ancient Greece and Egypt. Hebrew Diaspora-tan and Modern Israel-tan may or may not be the same person.
- Northern States: Alfred, of course! He won the American Civil War and so gets to represent the USA in world/G8 conferences.
- Southern States: Amelia Davies. She used to be the Confederacy of States, but then she lost the Civil War and was held as a prisoner. She made several escape attempts before finally being allowed out. She's racist and homophobic, but she's slowly getting over both.
- The Southern States would originally be Texas. She won her independence, then got tricked into joining the US. Angry, she rebelled, lost, and spent the rest of the time moping.
- Hawaii: Ailana Kalula. She's a fairly cool person and quite friendly. She's also good at dancing, and is most likely black.
- I always figured she'd have standard Hawaiian looks, being as old as she is. (I personally think it's been the same tan for her since she was 'founded' way back in about 300 AD.)
- Alaska: I can't think of a good first name for him, but the poor guy's surname is Braginski, as he's Russia, Ukraine and Belarus' little brother. He's scared of his siblings, but gets on OK with most other people. He can see Canada.
- A good name for Alaska would be Alexey Braginski.
- They all live together, and have a sitcom-esque relationship.
- This theory makes sense, but the regions picked really don't. For example, where would California fit in the northern/southern state distinction?
- It is its own nation-tan. It has 37 million people, 8th largest economy in the world,is one of the main technological centers of the nation, has Hollywood, and thee is California fusion and California cuisines, both of which are close together. It was also a nation for all of 5-6 weeks as well. And to be honest, i think that each state is it's own nation-tan, as the US functions in effect as a giant group of nations in practice, with America representing The Federal Government. Cities like LA and NY likely have their own tans as well. NY most likely does, considering their are movement to make the city its own state.
- Jossed in the Drama CD
After sometime, the nations got fed up with their sister and began the Yugoslav wars. Of course they win, and Yugoslavia ends up dying (parallel to Grandpa Rome and going to country-heaven) or just disappearing for a long time.
Bosnia and Herzegovina will be twins or just siblings. Croatia will be male and there will be some Belligerent Sexual Tension between him and female Slovenia. Montenegro will be male as well. Serbia and Kosovo will be brothers, with the former being the Big Brother Bully. Macedonia will be female and look up to her "big brother" Greece, who will tease her but nonetheless be supportive of her. Kosovo will prefer Macedonia being his sibling because she is much more supportive on his quest to be recognized as a full-fledged Nation-tan.
- Actually several of the former Yugoslav nations existed long before the actual formation of Yugoslavia. Over 1000 years before, actually. Yugoslavia makes as much sense personified as the Soviet Union would.
- This Croat agrees; Yugoslavia makes more sense to be just another messed up Communist family. Hell, once Tito died, each of the countries with governments at the time took turns being the main leaders of Yugoslavia for ten years. Why create a Yugo-tan and not take the chance to have the countries take turns attending world meetings and confusing the other nations?
- Both countries are known for their beautiful women. Venezuela will be a drop-dead gorgeous woman, referencing the fact that most Miss Universe winners are from Venezuela. She will have a love/hate relationship with America, representing how both countries are known for their tense, yet somewhat cordial relationship, will be VitriolicBestBuds with her sister (Twin?) Colombia (Due to the fact that they were originally one country, so there's the old nostalgia, and the way both governments go from being besties to sworn enemies at the drop of a hat) and will have a NeverLiveItDown moment with Spain, because of that one moment when Spain's prime minister told Hugo Chavez to shut the hell up.
- Colombia is also quite beautiful and always dramatic and over-the-top, referencing the fact that the most successful soap operas are Colombian (the other nations think it's because she's always doing cocaine, though). She is always trying to catch up with the other, more developed nations but never quite reaching their status, and she has a sort of admiration/crush on the older and "wiser" America, although she sometimes can't really comprehend why she likes America in the first place (It is no more than a high school crush, though). She really, really likes her coffee and is always ready to party and have fun (referencing the tons of carnivals in the country), normally with Brazil.
- Sounds legit.
- Cause they're definately not just simple human(Look at the man on the right outfit,same as Thailand)
- But Himaruya doesn't really go for making characters other characters' children, except when the parent is dead. Plus, I'm fairly sure the settlers in Northern Ireland from Great Britain were more Scottish than English, so if they were someone's child, I don't see why it would be England.
- Explanation?
- It would be more likely that Ireland had a fling with Spain - he was helping him/her fend off England in the late 1500s/early 1600s, and maybe Romano had a crush.
- Gaul: Most likely female, probably the mother of France, as well as possibly Switzerland, Netherlands, and Belgium. She probably had France by Rome and Switzerland, Netherlands, and Belgium by Germania.
- Scandinavia: Ancient Scandinavia up until the fall of the Vikings, that is. Likely the reason why Iceland is Norway's brother rather than son. Most likely male, they're probably parent to the Nordic 5. Almost definitely sibling to Germania.
- Sápmi: Probably female, it seems likely she'd be Finland's mother, but since she still exists as a cultural region, she would, unlike other ancestors, still be alive. Jury's still out on what she thinks of her son's relationship with Sweden.
- Unlikely given Finland's history with Sápmi. To put it short, Sweden came with Norway and Finland to Scandinavia and ordered the nations to help him mess with Sápmi. So most likely she isn't related to any of them, to her they are just unpleasant people who ruined her home.
- Persia: Enemy to Ancient Greece and parent to the as-of-yet unmentioned Iran character. My guess would be male, though it could go either way.
- Anatolia: Turkey's ancestor. It seems unlikely they'd have a relationship with Ancient Greece as bad as Turkey's with modern Greece.
- One of Turkey's new profiles says that he is not native in Anatolia but that, in fact, he came to it from Central Asia.
- Carthage: Rome has already mentioned them. Given that he said he gave Carthage a thorough beating as opposed to slept with them, Carthage likely was a man and an enemy to Rome.
- Kievan Rus': Ancestor (probably mother) to Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Probably a doting mother, and possibly a similar personality to Ukraine, with aspects of Russia. Also known as Mother Russia.
- Hibernia: Ireland's ancestor, presumably father as Britannia has been stated to be mother to England and his old brothers. Britannia was definitely Ireland's mother, then. Probably Britannia's brother.
- Nothing is specified about [Republic of] Ireland's relation to England and his brothers.
- Caledonia/Pict (No, not the aliens): Scotland's father and possibly Britannia's brother.
- Scotland is more Gaelic than anything (right down to the name), he and Ireland should at least share a father. Pictland was more like "the base".
- Various Native American tribes: Unlike most others, I think that it seems unlikely there was a single Native America tan. More likely, there were tans for each tribe and two major tribes from the areas of the earliest permanent European colonies in modern America and Canada were the parents of America and Canada.
- I applaud you for not making a single "Native America" character, but Native American tribes are not going to have two European, blond and blue-eyed children.
- Aztec: Ancestor to Mexico. Likely killed by Spain.
- Maya: Aztec's spouse, most likely, and another ancestor to Mexico. Likely either killed by Aztec or Spain.
- What? Why would they be Aztec's spouse? That makes zero sense. And being that the Mayans are still around today with a preserved culture, it's unlikely they would be dead.
- Byzantine Empire: Ancient Greece was referred to as the Byzantine Empire once, but that's not exactly historical canon, so it seems unlikely that they're the same person. While I would say that they might be Greece's father, that's not exactly history canon either, as they're separated from Ancient Greece by quite a while. But they might be a relative at least, and probably a brother or sister to Rome.
- Ancient Greece becoming Byzantium is as "history canon" as most of the nations are in Hetalia. Like Viking Sweden becoming Modern Sweden or the Teutonic Knights becoming East Germany.
- Iberia/Hispania: Parent to Spain and Portugal, as well as the as-of-yet unmentioned Andorra character. I would guess they'd be male.
- Dacia: Ancestor of Bulgaria, Romania, and the other countries in that general part of Europe.
- Dacia had nothing to do with Bulgaria. It's more likely his 'ancestor' would be a personification of the Bulgar tribe.
- Or at last not Scotland. If Himaruya bothers to check up on the fanbase, then he might know about the internal debate on the multiple fan representations of Scotland and how they are perceived. A good example is the Pixiv design of Scotland, which is either liked or hated for various reasons. For some it's a simple as just not liking the design. Others seem to think Scotland should be a middle aged man with large muscles and a beard who screams a lot due to this being one of the scottish stereotypes. Personally, I don't see the argument. The cast of Hetalia is made up of bishounen boys, so an extremely hairy Scotland would go against the consensus of the series. Most of the rest of the arguments mostly lie in his uniform design, and how uncreative some find it.
- As a result of all the different interpetations several designs for Scotland already exist in the fandom. Some guard their ideas more viciously than others. As a result I think Himaruya might avoid making Scotland and the rest of the UK, just to avoid starting some kind of flame war among his fans.
- Like above with Scotland problem, due to fan have their own way of interpreting their nation-tan. Not everyone in sastisfied with existing-tan personality and look. So Himaruya decided to have fan "created" one for themselves for each country.
- Jossed.
My visualization of this potential character is that of a pale gray-haired man wearing a lot of black clothing (sunglasses, business suit, etc.) that speaks in a low, flat tone, with a surveillance drone as a pseudo-"animal companion". Perhaps he'd live in a surveillance van or a black helicopter or something. The nations would have to team up to thwart this transnational group-tan, the point being that nations can cooperate without losing national identity.
I'm thinking about writing a fanfic about this, but I also imagine it could actually happen in the series.
- Charlotte Jones: The Vermont Republic. She's only about twelve, and adores America, somewhere in between brother worship of Lichtenstein and Belarus. She's pretty fond of France too.
- Tim Jones: The Republic of Texas/The Confederate States of America. He and America have a very tense relationship, but there is no doubt that they love each other, such as when he gave the glasses to America. He looks exactly like America, and is the same age, just without the glasses and the cowlick on the other side of his face, representing Florida.
- Diego Lopez: The California Republic. He's a pretty laid back guy that gets along great with the Italy's, Mexico, and the Asian nations, but you better watch out if you get him mad. America and him have a good relationship, but he doesn't really talk to the other states with the exception of Hawaii. He's about fifteen.
- Anastasia Volkov: Alaska. She is close to America and has somewhat of a good relationship with Russia. She is a bit of self-conscious of the fact that she was never a nation like everyone else. She's probably seventeen.
- Kai Nakamura: Hawaii. He's eighteen and a bit aloof. He has a good relationship with the rest of America, but he doesn't really know them and they don't know him. Hates Japan with the burning of a thousand suns.
- Indonesia would then have close ties with Belgium for the ASEAN-EU summits.
- They'll always be late for meetings and spend 85% of the meeting toying around with their smartphone or striking conversations with their neighbors.
- Actually, information put forward in the strip makes it highly unlikely that she is Madagascar, such as when she expresses excitement about seeing the ocean.
- Also, he's Japanese. Sure, he studied in America, but American states probably aren't going to be his priority. Even if he does become interested in US states, fans from other countries will want to see their own states/provinces ect.
- Serbia would be like England/UK in that he/she would be "Serbia" to his/her spouses and other family members and "Yugoslavia" to outsider countries ("Yugoslavia" being an agreed-upon common name that just about nobody could fight over) just like Arthur Kirkland is "England" to his brothers and "Britain"/UK (in the dub) to outsider countries; Serbia would also be considered the only part of Yugoslavia sane enough to attend world meetings (up until Marshall Tito's death) as the capital of Yugoslavia was Belgrade (now the capital of Serbia).
- Serbia would be the head spouse and married to (at least) Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Montenegro; he/she might also get married to at least one of Croatia's potential siblings (the historical region of Dalmatia a potential option), Bosnia's sibling Herzegovina, and both his/her siblings Kosovo and Vojvodina during the Kingdom of Yugoslavia years, especially after 1929, when the country got split into approximately 9 provinces called "banates" or "banovinas".
- The Yugoslav marriage may also be a bisexual polygamous marriage in that at least one of Serbia's spouses would be of the opposite gender as most of the other Yugoslav republic-tans or region-tans, Macedonia (known as "FYROM" to Greece to placate him over the Macedonian naming dispute) being the most likely to be female with (most of) the other Yugoslavs being male. So, Serbia would be married to both men and women, even though the Balkan countries are not necessarily the most LGBT-friendly countries in Europe (actually, the exact opposite; read LGBT rights in Serbia, LGBT rights in Croatia, LGBT rights in Slovenia, LGBT rights in Bosnia and Herzegovina, LGBT rights in Macedonia, LGBT rights in Montenegro, and LGBT rights in Kosovo for more info on the current parts of ex-Yugoslavia and see when each republic decriminalized homosexuality).
- The Yugoslav republic-tans and province-tans will have the following tropes:
- Balkanize Me: A given, since it is Yugoslavia, after all.
- Dysfunction Junction: Comes to a head in the 1990s.
- Red Oni, Blue Oni: Serbia (Ottoman-influenced Red) and Croatia (Hapsburg-influenced Blue).
- Also, Kosovo (independence-craving Red) and Vojvodina (multicultural Blue).
- Smoking Is Cool: Cigarette-smoking is rife over in the Balkans, with some parts of that area prone to cigarette smuggling.
This Troper will have more information on her assertion about this theory at a future date.
- Jossed since a design for Ecuador was released.
- Just to make things creepier and thus less likely to show up, some fanon holds that by the logic of the Hetaverse, they'd have to be a child. The country has technically only existed for about sixty years, roughly the same time Sealand has, and ageing for nations is related to the country's development, which, well, NK hasn't done much of in that time. The country's actions on the world stage do come across rather like a spoiled kid hiding behind China's skirts, too.
Also since it's theorized that Sami descend from nomadic Eurasians, she is the younger half sister of Ainu. The indegenous Japan.
- Brazil will be the first one to appear. S/he'll be a Boisterous Bruiser with a trickster side, always making jokes and finding a way to create chaos. S/he'll see themself as the leader of the south american nations, even if the others don't reciprocate. Argentina will be The Dandy with a dangerous temper . Them and Brazil will have a vitriol fueled friendship, though in the end they'll clearly care about each other. Chile will appear to be a Mellow Fellow at first, but push their buttons way too far and they'll go into a massive Tranquil Fury. Uruguay will be the local normal, trying to estabilish order, but failling miserably.. Peru will be a Deadpan Snarker. Colombia will be a Brilliantbut Lazy kind of person who will constantly find a way to tease the others, especially Brazil and their coffee. Paraguay will be a nice person with a tragic past.If the Guianas ever appear, they'll be a Power Trio with a dynamic similar to the Baltics.