Only a Flesh Wound should include shock in the list of ways they can kill you, it's a big one. Just adding that one word would cover both hydrostatic shock from a bullet impact or explosion affecting internal organs, and the medical phenomena of "shock" which can kill easily.
Should Belief Makes You Stupid be added? Most people who are firmly religious are overall perfectly normal folk who believe in science as much as anyone else, but the stigma they are all mad fundamentalists who hate science is still disturbingly prevalent. It overall feels unfounded as you don’t need to be religious to be a zealot or subscribe to unreasonable views.
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Redundant?
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Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Needs Help, started by DimensionalShambler on Oct 11th 2016 at 9:06:10 PM
Can Cool Clean Water be added? Just because river and lake water looks clean doesn't mean it won't have parasites and other crude that can play high holy havoc on your body.
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In my opinion, the link to Heartwarming Moments at the end of the page is unneeded and actually comes off as a little condescending. I'd say the majority of TV Tropes' userbase is mature enough to handle the harsh nature of reality. What would you think about a possible change?
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It might be easier to discuss in the ongoing thread about this page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15831033980A30113400&page=1
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I think we should change the Just Between You and Me segment from “no criminal” to “no smart criminal.” Because some criminals are stupid.
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Three points: 1)The entire entry for Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil really confuses me. are we seriously not meant to depict the act of raping somoene as bad? It's made even worse by the fact that it's linked to in all the other rape entries. and if it's that bad, then why isn't it discussed on the trope page itself?
2) On Rape Portrayed as Redemption, the line "who gives anyone more right to decide what people should be like than themselves" should be removed. I am by no means trying to advocate for rape of any sort, but I have always found this mentality to be absurd. If you have this mentality, then I can only imagine how you feel about your therapist telling you what habits to quit or your physician telling what you should and shouldn't be doing with your body. The issue with this trope is not that they are trying to change someone's character, but that they are using rape to do it.
3) We should add to the Vegetarian Carnivore entry "If cats could digest vegetation, then it would already be a documented part of their diet in the wild ."
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1) I believe the point it's making is that the portrayal of rape in the trope (that is to say, a uniquely traumatising backstory that taints the victim forever) stigmatises victims of rape (or worse, treats a serious matter as a cheap way for the writer to give their villain some evil credentials).
2) Aside from the fact it's obvious what that line's referring to: Forcefully trying to change any aspect of someone (especially something immutable) is wrong regardless of the means used to do it. Therapists and doctors help people manage their quirks, they don't change them (and certainly don't, and often can't, do it without the patient's cooperation). Bodily autonomy is sacrosanct.
3) Edits go through the locked pages thread in the forum.
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Feel like Self-Harm should be on here since not only is the stereotype of self-harmers are just Emo Teens doing it for the attention (which is obviously the thesis of adding this on here) not true, most studies find that it's actually THE OPPOSITE. I'm not an expert, but as far as I can gather of people tend to self-harm because they don't know how to express emotions properly rather than being "overly emotional henceforth weak!"
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You can ask them to add it over in the locked article edit thread on the forums (just write up the example for them to paste in and post in the thread saying where you want it).
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Should it be noted in the introduction that because Children Are Innocent, they're very prone to copying what they see on TV and thus the parents usually encourage this behavior due to kids' naivety, but they're required to feel all but worried about it behind closed doors to fit in with society?
I think a lot of these examples need to go because they are something that is obvious to any reasonably intelligent person, and in some cases (such as Homereotic Hate Crime) the perpetrators most likely know full well their "justification" is bullshit. That and, I get the impression this is supposed to be about things that average person wouldn't realize are dangerous from watching TV, not "any potentially bad thing that could occur due to believing a trope is Truth in Television when it isn't"
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Agreed. That's like having something like "Killed Off for Real: Dying is generally bad for you."
It's something that happens and it's bad, but I don't think anyone is seeing it on TV and going "oh yeah, good idea."
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I say we just revert it to mid 2017 or so (which seems to be when all the craziness started). Furthermore, I think there should be a thread for this (as with the no real life examples) rather than just allow anyone to arbitrarily add examples.
Add:
- All-Natural Snake Oil: Just because a something is natural, it doesn't mean it is healthy and good for you, snake poison can be 100% natural either.
I want to add the trope Men Don't Cry. My description is below.
- Men Don't Cry: Makes it harder for men to get help or support for their emotional problems.
You'll want to run it through the Locked Pages: Lock, UnLock and Edit requests thread on the forums.
So, I noticed that this page got locked because someone was trying to push an agenda. How long will this page stay locked?
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Probably a while, since it's had to be brought up in ATT a fair few times.
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What agenda was being pushed out of interest? I am always curious as to the history of edit locks and I cannot see one that is immediately apparent.
I think Short-Range Shotgun should go here since people might think shotguns are only dangerous if your close.
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Does anyone know a better trope than Unsuspectingly Soused to use to cover that the comedy trope of sneaking someone alcohol/drugs/poison isn't some big laugh IRL?
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Page is moved from the mainspace to Just for Fun per this TRS thread.
Shouldn't Boom, Headshot! be removed because it's deliberately lethal?
edit: I'd also like to add Bigger Is Better in Bed and Crazy Awesome to the list.
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Boom, Headshot! should be changed to Just a Flesh Wound.
I can potentially see Crazy Awesome (though it's a stretch) but I cannot see how Bigger Is Better in Bed could go here.
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Why is Godiva Hair a trope on here? It's a conscious appearance choice and not life-threatening.
Also, Freak Lab Accident is that - an accident. It's not telling people to go break beakers in Chemistry class.
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It... isn't? Seriously, I'm not seeing Godiva Hair on the page or in the history.
And I get the idea behind adding Freak Lab Accident (that failing to follow safety protocols leads to superpowers, not death) but I agree that's still a stretch.
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Ah. Yeah, that's a stretch, too. The entry is basically saying "this is less convenient in real-life" which is true of... almost every trope out there.
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Since I was told to go here:
A lot of these tropes seem like panicky complaining (it even says on the first page to not add a gazillion words if it can be helped) and weird opinionating (babies make everything better), or happen separately from fiction (But We Used A Condom stories are extremely common in real life).
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This article seems to attract content disputes frequently. Anyhow, I am not even certain myself which examples fit or not. But We Used a Condom! can go, though.
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Half of them seem to be more fitting for Discredited Trope, anyway.
Wasn't there a TRS repair thread for this, too?
There definitely were a handful of the ones you cut that deserve to go, but plenty that didn't. Honestly, I'd recommend taking the ones you want to cut and listing them here.
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Alright, here we go:
- Ass Shove: Done in unrealistic comedy films or cartoons, and half of those show the aftermath of going to the hospital (or a neck brace and a surgical gown, in Hancock's case).
- Concealment Equals Cover: Even the listing admits that it helps against direct line of sight.
- Convection, Schmonvection: This is really more bad science than anything.
- Couldn't Find a Lighter: Actually has been done◊. Also, aren't cigarettes made so that the rest of the cigarette doesn't catch on fire?
- Cure Your Gays: Needs to go in Discredited Trope, and it's often mocked in films whenever it comes up.
- Damage-Proof Vehicle: As in the article, it's often due to product placement not wanting their babies smashed up, or engine limitations in video games. Most people are extremely careful with their cars in real life, anyway.
- Defiled Forever: As with Cure Your Gays, should go in Discredited Trope, is filled with natter and complaining, and happens independent of fiction (see: conservative third-world countries).
- Destruction Equals Off-Switch: The entry talks about... cleaning up meth labs. Not really the case... also, most examples are usually involving some unrealistic phlembotium or other, or because there is no other alternative to stopping the evil machine or some other.
- Drinking Contest/Drinking Game: Happens independent of fiction, and in fiction, is often shown to have consequences. Also sounds like a weird complaint toward the Drinking Game pages on TVT.
- Explosion Propulsion: This is usually on cartoons or super-unrealistic adventure movies.
- Faking the Dead: Lots of natter, and in fiction, is usually done as a last resort or by villains.
- Friendly, Playful Dolphin: Really depends on the dolphin, though I suppose this can stay, since, well, wild animal.
- Great Balls of Fire!: This specifically applies to bands, and is weird complaining about pyrotechnics. The incident in that example was improperly set-up pyrotechnics - if I recall, the band did have a pyrotechnician.
- Harmless Electrocution: This is the cartoon-style 'joy buzzer, skeleton visible' prank. Not exactly replicable in real life.
- Harmless Freezing: Also usually the cartoon-style "locked in a chunk of ice" gag.
- Healing Herb: This implies all herbs are dangerous...? It even says that not all herbs are dangerous, and goes on to apparently argue with itself. Besides, it's mostly a video game trope and the herbs are fictional or not named.
- Hollywood Drowning: This does happen when people are swept in strong currents.
- Hollywood Fire: This doesn't really explain why this is fiction trying to kill us, Hollywood Fire is just "fire that isn't as smoky as a real life one".
- If It Tastes Bad, It Must Be Good for You: Weird complaining about health foods.
- Impossible Hourglass Figure: It says right there that it's impossible - this is a cartoon trope. Yes, women do use corsets to try and get an hourglass shape, but to realistic proportions.
- Incredibly Obvious Bomb: Also weird complaining. Some bombs are obvious, but in real life, there are countless warnings on public transport and news channels to report unattended objects.
- Instant Emergency Response: Weird complaining and can be just shortened to "takes about 15-20 minutes for first responders".
- Jammed Seatbelts: Not really a fiction thing, as news reports have influenced this, and most people put on seatbelts, because state law enforces it. Also, lots of natter. Can just be shortened to "Rather unlikely, and there are special tools made for quickly cutting a seatbelt".
- Jar Potty: When it's done in fiction, it's done for grossout humor or to show the person is a freak. Not really applicable.
- Mismeasurement: Happens in real life, too. The trope is "when a character messes up a measurement and something bad happens", not "hey, mismeasure! it's funny!"
- Mooning: It's common sense to know that normal people don't show their asses to random people.
- No Medication for Me: Lots of natter, and in fiction, isn't always depicted as a good thing.
- Only Bad Guys Call Their Lawyers: Can just be shortened down to "always call a lawyer, regardless of crime commited".
- Police Are Useless: Does this really need to go on here? People believe cops are assholes or make things worse independently from fiction - low-income neighborhoods don't trust cops, anarchists and punks tend to self-police, etc.
- Racing the Train: We don't need a long-winded, nattery explanation for what is common sense.
- Safety Gear Is Cowardly: Often paints the character who believes this as a macho idiot.
- Smoking Is Cool/Smoking Is Glamorous: Weird complaining about smoking.
- Stray Shots Strike Nothing: This doesn't encourage people to go have gunfights.
- Trojan Gauntlet: Again, remove for the same reasons as But We Used a Condom!: In media, they still come away with the condom and are still taking the precaution to have some basic protection. Also, in real life, there are plenty of stories where people have had embarrassing moments while buying condoms, but that doesn't discourage them from buying more.
Gonna do some, don't have time to respond to them all now:
- Ass Shove: Done in unrealistic comedy films or cartoons, and half of those show the aftermath of going to the hospital (or a neck brace and a surgical gown, in Hancock's case). Agree, cut
- Concealment Equals Cover: Even the listing admits that it helps against direct line of sight. Disagree. It encourages the idea that, say, hiding behind a car door is a safe place when you should be getting the hell out of there. Leave it
- Convection Schmonvection: This is really more bad science than anything. ... still should stay. It proliferates the idea that you can basically stand on rocks near lava and be fine.
- Couldn't Find a Lighter: Actually has been done◊. Also, aren't cigarettes made so that the rest of the cigarette doesn't catch on fire? Still... pretty needlessly dangerous. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it's safe
- Cure Your Gays: Needs to go in Discredited Trope, and it's often mocked in films whenever it comes up. Agreed, cut. It's never played straight
- Damage-Proof Vehicle: As in the article, it's often due to product placement not wanting their babies smashed up, or engine limitations in video games. Most people are extremely careful with their cars in real life, anyway. While I disagree with the first point, the second makes sense
- Defiled Forever: As with Cure Your Gays, should go in Discredited Trope, is filled with natter and complaining, and happens independent of fiction (see: conservative third-world countries).See, the issue is that it's not as discredited as it should be. It does still arise on occasion, and is partially perpetuated by media
- Destruction Equals Off Switch: The entry talks about... cleaning up meth labs. Not really the case... also, most examples are usually involving some unrealistic phlembotium or other, or because there is no other alternative to stopping the evil machine or some other. Except it's still usually true of most things. Yes, it mentions meth labs but plenty of other pertinent cases
- Drinking Contest/Drinking Game: Happens independent of fiction, and in fiction, is often shown to have consequences. Also sounds like a weird complaint toward the Drinking Game pages on TVT. Yeah, just sorta weird. Cut
- Explosion Propulsion: This is usually on cartoons or super-unrealistic adventure movies.Except not always. And even those things can be imitated. I fail to see how that makes it cutable
- Faking the Dead: Lots of natter, and in fiction, is usually done as a last resort or by villains.Yeah, cut
- Friendly, Playful Dolphin: Really depends on the dolphin, though I suppose this can stay, since, well, wild animal.Dolphins are dicks. Definitely leave this.
There's reports of dolphins coming to comfort a dolphin who was raped or tortured by a pod, but, still, wild animal.
Also, the Bluesmobile example in Damage-Proof Vehicle was from a movie that featured hundreds of cars piling up, but the cops inside getting out unscatched, and random breakouts singing and dancing.
Explosion Propulsion: I checked the film examples on the page. Treasure Planet, Lilo And Stich, Space Chimps, etc, are cartoons, Sin City, Mission Impossible, Star Treek, Tokyo Gore Police, Transformers, and Planet Terror are ultra-stylized films with impossible gadgets or where the heroes gun down thousands of enemies, as a homage to the genre they're based in.
Anyway, edits are made, etc.
... why is "being a cartoon" a limitation on that? If anything, it makes it appealing to a younger audience that's more likely to lack the common sense not to do such things. My rule of thumb is "is it imitatible and dangerous? Is there any chance that someone would be inspired by the trope to do something dangerous?"
You know what's much more prevalent than reports of dolphins coming to comfort a dolphin who was raped or tortured by a pod? Reports of a dolphin being raped or tortured by a pod. Dolphins actually kill for fun. But their media reputation is that they're inevitably going to be all nice, playful, and safe.
- Great Balls of Fire: This specifically applies to bands, and is weird complaining about pyrotechnics. The incident in that example was improperly set-up pyrotechnics - if I recall, the band did have a pyrotechnician. '''I really don't know this
- Harmless Electrocution: This is the cartoon-style 'joy buzzer, skeleton visible' prank. Not exactly replicable in real life. That's X-Ray Sparks. But anyway, even if electrocution is portrayed as not quite fatal, it's not like it's never portrayed as safe and fun. Cut
- Harmless Freezing: Also usually the cartoon-style "locked in a chunk of ice" gag.I'd say this had a place on the list if we had widespread access to An Ice Person powers. But since we don't, and the only people with access to liquid nitrogen are experts, cut
- Healing Herb: This implies all herbs are dangerous...? It even says that not all herbs are dangerous, and goes on to apparently argue with itself. Besides, it's mostly a video game trope and the herbs are fictional or not named.I think it deserves to be rewritten, because it has some truth... people's belief in herbal remedies can and have led to improper treatment (see All-Natural Snake Oil)
- Hollywood Drowning: This does happen when people are swept in strong currents.'... so? That is a relatively uncommon form of drowning
- Hollywood Fire: This doesn't really explain why this is fiction trying to kill us, Hollywood Fire is just "fire that isn't as smoky as a real life one".Actually it does. Like it says, it's the smoke that kills you, not the fire. As such, it encourages people to take unsafe behavior because they're not worried about the most dangerous part of the fire
- If It Tastes Bad, It Must Be Good for You: Weird complaining about health foods.It has a point. It's basically saying that because of the idea of this trope, some people might avoid even trying health foods because they assume it tastes bad. It's not complaining about health food in the slightest
- Impossible Hourglass Figure: It says right there that it's impossible - this is a cartoon trope. Yes, women do use corsets to try and get an hourglass shape, but to realistic proportions. I'm okay with this. Cut
- Incredibly Obvious Bomb: Also weird complaining. Some bombs are obvious, but in real life, there are countless warnings on public transport and news channels to report unattended objects. Yes there are. But those warning exist largely because of this trope and most people plain don't listen to it. Also where's the "complaining"?
- Instant Emergency Response: Weird complaining and can be just shortened to "takes about 15-20 minutes for first responders". I don't see a problem with the writeup. It's accurate and I again don't see complaining
- Jammed Seatbelts: Not really a fiction thing, as news reports have influenced this, and most people put on seatbelts, because state law enforces it. Also, lots of natter. Can just be shortened to "Rather unlikely, and there are special tools made for quickly cutting a seatbelt". I highly doubt anyone does this in real life due to TV. Out of laziness, sure, but not due to TV
- Jar Potty: When it's done in fiction, it's done for grossout humor or to show the person is a freak. Not really applicable. Agreed. Never shown as a good thing. Cut
- Mismeasurement: Happens in real life, too. The trope is "when a character messes up a measurement and something bad happens", not "hey, mismeasure! it's funny!" Agreed. It only comes up when the mess up, thus, you know, causing a problem. Cut
- Mooning: It's common sense to know that normal people don't show their asses to random people. Common sense? Sure. But media does propagate mooning as a standard prank with no legal fallout. Leave it
- No Medication for Me: Lots of natter, and in fiction, isn't always depicted as a good thing. Definitely leave this. The most common case of this is psych patients, and even if it's not always depicted as a good thing, it usually is. The subbullets can go, though.
- Only Bad Guys Call Their Lawyers: Can just be shortened down to "always call a lawyer, regardless of crime commited". It's not overly long as-is. Why not just leave it?
- Police Are Useless: Does this really need to go on here? People believe cops are assholes or make things worse independently from fiction - low-income neighborhoods don't trust cops, anarchists and punks tend to self-police, etc. '''But no one's independent of fiction.
- Racing the Train: We don't need a long-winded, nattery explanation for what is common sense. Hrm, I'm a bit conflicted. On one hand, I wholly agree with you and never heard of anyone doing this in real life. On the other hand, it is unequivocally bad idea. Actually, seeing that there's a RL section I say leave it, but trim it down
- Safety Gear Is Cowardly: Often paints the character who believes this as a macho idiot. Or a macho badass. Leave it.
- Smoking Is Cool/Smoking Is Glamorous: Weird complaining about smoking. No, it's pretty reasonable. Smoking is unhealthy. These portrayals make it seem * cool.
- Stray Shots Strike Nothing: This doesn't encourage people to go have gunfights. No, it doesn't. However, the idea behind this trope is prevalent to the point that a very basic part of gun training is pounding this into peoples' heads. It should definitely stay.
- Trojan Gauntlet: Again, remove for the same reasons as But We Used a Condom: In media, they still come away with the condom and are still taking the precaution to have some basic protection. Also, in real life, there are plenty of stories where people have had embarrassing moments while buying condoms, but that doesn't discourage them from buying more. Unlike But We Used a Condom!, this should stay. There's nothing inherently embarrassing about buying condoms, and this trope does lead to youngsters actually believing that there is.
Because cartoons run on things like Sylvester the Cat running up imaginary stairs and break the fourth wall and contain talking animals. Real life children don't usually have access to high-grade fireworks or plastic explosives, too.
Besides the usual real-life examples on the page, that's like saying every human is some sort of rapist psycho, it varies from pod to pod (and, uh, species, since a bottlenose was shown to harass and attempt to murder other dolphin species in captivity). But since we're not arguing over the removal, let's just leave it at that.
Hollywood Drowning: Er, no, it's common enough. A lot of people stray too far from shore and get swept up in a current. That said, I'm not discounting what's current on the page, as people DO run out of energy while trying to fight the current.
Jammed Seatbelts: There are people who claim they don't do seatbelts due to reports of jamming, but it's word-of-mouth hysteria, and, yeah, more people don't do it out of laziness.
I still think Trojan Gauntlet should go, as they still get the condom in the end and still weathered all that trouble to get protection.
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They don't always get it, though. Even if they do, it creates the idea of "I have to go through all that just for a piece of latex? Forget it." And it's bad to give the impression (false or otherwise) that there's a stigma attached to buying condoms. Were it not for this trope, most people probably wouldn't give a damn about buying condoms.
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Good point.
...Also, the new (well, not new, looking through the history) Gaslighting entry seems a wee bit hysterical. I don't think people will prank people with serious mental issues, and placing objects that used to be there is not the same as a Laxative Prank, which is actually deadly and illegal.
Non-functional star or asterisk in the "A Man Is Always Eager" entry after "refuse" but before sex. Requesting removal.
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Fixed. You can edit it yourself, after all.
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I have a slightly irrational fear that I will break an article somehow and a separate fear of improperly editing something and breaking a site rule.
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Well, maybe Welcome to TV Tropes may help there.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Why is "One Drink will kill the baby" on here? We are seriously considering that people who firmly believe this are a)going to forget about it temporarily (pregnancy tends to be pretty much on your mind all the time due to physical and hormonal changes)and b)Be so horrified at this that, rather than consult a medical professional, or do something semi-rational like drinking a lot of other things to dilute the alcohol blood content they would induce vomiting which would somehow cause larger problems than those normally associated with vomiting (like easily-solvable dehydration)?
I have to admit, I sincerely doubt this has ever happened, and can't see the presence of the trope in fiction as causing damage to anybody in reality. If we are trying to come up with theoretical ways a trope could fit this list, the list would quickly become large and meaningless.
Without meaningful reasons to keep it I will delete in a couple of days.
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When the whole Fail Index was diplomatically renamed 'Artistic License', everyone overlooked that a critical research failure can be detrimental to the public and individuals. The blow should not be softened when tropes have been perpetuated enough in media exposure to enter this category. This is the point where Artistic License should be revoked and creators, and even the entire industry, should held accountable by critics and by the public. And that does mean us.
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If only we had a Critical Research Failure page where we could document particularly bad examples where Artistic License doesn't quite cut it.
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Did we really need an entry for child pornography? Those articles really don't need any more exposure, on top of it being pretty gross and I hope tropers know that child abuse is child abuse.
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I added lolicon and shotacon to the index not to expose those entries but to explain why the way those works portray child abuse is dangerous. Unfortunately, I've seen anime fans cooing over how "cute" lolicon and moe are, how cute little girls are, and that's why I think the entry belonged here - to explain just HOW hurtful and gross and damaging they are in reality
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Moe is often unsexualized in an 'aww' sort of way, not a "I want to hump it" sort of way. Yeah, I know, "anime fans", but I'm pretty sure most anime fans know that actually creeping on a little girl in real life (that looks/acts nothing like a cartoon girl does) is disgusting.
I can't believe I'm defending moe.
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Restoring Gaslighting because there's proof (even in its own real life section, see the Tumblr meme about gaslighting people) that some people, due to comedic depictions of it, see it as a funny or at least harmless prank.
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If it's done to sane people without the intent to drive them crazy and more of a "ha ha, I must be imagining things" thing, it's not out to drive back abused children into their shells.
With much consideration of all the previous Edit War, adding Babies Make Everything Better because this belief HAS led to unwanted children and to spousal and child abuse, some of it resulting in death, as well as Death by Childbirth for mothers.
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Babies Makes Everything Better has been added and deleted. I'm not involved in those posts and deletions, just saying that there are couples who think having a child will solve their problems.
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I am the one who added Babies Make Everything Better and I agree that there ARE couples who think this, hell, there are entire cultures that think this *cough cough the global south cough cough,* and it IS a belief propogated by the media and culture, which IMO earns it a place on this index.
I don't want to re-add it because I don't want edit war.
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Bad edit reasons and agenda-based cuts.
"Trimming" is NOT a good enough edit reason for wholesale removal of tropes that ARE due to media involvement. The smoking tropes for example are due to media involvement. Artistic License – Law can lead to injury by police and other prisoners and ruin your life (and possibly lead to your execution or imprisonment!) if you use it rather than actual legal advice. Even Babies Make Everything Better is in part due to media - people being convinced that babies mean happiness and health.
All of these trims are contested and there is NO REASON to "trim" a legitimate index with legitimate entries, especially out of one's personal biases.
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See my edit response.
And I'm sorry for my terrible punctuation and spelling mistakes, i'm typing on a tablet and english is my second language.
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Not sure where this should go, but for some tropes, when I try to view the page history, I'm instead led to that of the site's homepage. Anyone mind telling me what that's all about?
re:cut That's not a good reason for a cutlisting. Trope repair shop would be more suitable.
I would like to address Jackerel. I agree with your recent cuts, but your failure to explain clearly and concisely is what creates so much friction. Don't just go "SIGH".
Poor Communication Kills, Macho Masochism, Anti-Intellectualism, Babies Make Everything Better are stupid things that people do independent of media.
I'm not sure about Steel Eardrums.
A case could be made that people are actually duped by Magic Plastic Surgery.
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I'm going to contest Bed Trick (it's often portrayed as dastardly when not comedic) and Babies Make Everything Better (people believe this outside of media).
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Flaming ME for entries I didn't post (another user did, at best I edited them) is so not cool.
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I'm not flaming you? Those posts were for last year's incident.
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Placed here for posterity.
Look, I'm not the one who tried to paint me as a troll, a wiki vandal, and a flamer when you posted on Trope Repair Shop trying to settle a so-called "edit war", which consisted of some edits I made and some reverts of said edits. Hell, the mods found nothing wrong, and the description was changed. If I was actually trolling, I'd be banned by now, but your bizarre definition of "trolling" is, apparently, making edits.
You keep trying to claim I'm some sort of hideous troll flaming everyone and deleting examples for no reason even though I gave a very clear reason why I deleted those examples, and did not revert them when someone gave a counter-point. Did I bitch about my edits being reverted? Try and dig up some evidence next time before you try to paint me as a troll, or at least read my edits. Everyone else is being civil and you're referring to me as "an asshole" because I removed some stuff from your favorite page.
Edited by JackMackerel Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.
I don't know where people thought I was trolling/flaming, but I didn't mean to remove Cool, Clear Water. I think it's only certain places in the world where clear water indicates chemicals in it that don't make it safe to drink.
Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.
Since the page is locked, leaving this here for someone to copy to the page later.
Add to the Eletric Slide line, after "Always assume a power line is live.", "People who work with high-voltage power lines use special techniques to avoid getting killed or hurt."
Regarding edit war:
The description is vague, which is causing some friction. First, work out a crystal clear description.
The brainstorming to do that will take place in the Repair Shop thread. Click the link at the top of the article.
Temporary lock applied until this fundamental item is nailed down.
Later: Lock lifted. See this discussion for resolution .
Concealment Equals Cover maybe? I don't know if enough people ever get into gunfights for their choice in things to hide behind to ever become an issue.
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Seeing as this trope has some rather unlikely situations included here, this is a valid addition. I will add it.
It can be argued that the most unlikely situations are where this trope is the most dangerous, to be honest: most of us know what to do and where TV would lead us to death or injury in common situations, but if you're suddenly in a disaster or someone opens fire next to you, whether you will know what to do or will you react based on what you THINK you know from TV...
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Removed Drunk Driver, there was a note that it's more often Averted than played straight in real life, and the trope is about how drunk drivers in TV always end up in a crash. If there's a reason that it should be in this index it needs to be explained better.
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The reason is actually due to the aversion, in an odd relationship: people believe, that since all (or almost all) drunk drives on TV end up crashed or arrested, that when this doesn't happen in Real Life that it's somehow safe, rather than that they could cause others to crash avoiding them, they could run into a pedestrian or cyclist (whereas trees and ditches are more common in TV).
Also, the TV-version of drunk driving tends to depict local roads and side roads, where, ironically, a drunk driver is the *safest* because of slower speeds and knowledge of the area.... rather than freeways where higher speeds + slower reaction time + concrete and other cars + monotony effect = one slip and the result is fatal or A Fate Worse Than Death.
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should Hollywood Old be here? i mean sure it's it makes a good augment that people are harm but only a vague social sense rather than any direct physical harm cause by people believing in it. if we include this we might as well add all the Unfortunate Implications tropes.
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It should because it, unlike other Unfortunate Implications tropes (aside from a few) has a direct impact on healthcare and whether people seek healthcare or not, as well as on their emotional status and how others treat them. e.g. someone writes off pain or an easily treatable condition as "just getting old," or a doctor sees an older patient as one whose complaints can be attributed to age.
It's basically here for the same reason the Hollywood beauty tropes are: the social harm results in physical harm from neglect and mental harm from abuse.
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Okay with say Hollywood Thin you got a unrealistic body image that impressionable viewers may harm themselves in trying to reach it. it is a clear case of cause and effect. fair enough.
With hollywoodOld a younger woman playing an older character... so people over 60 stop seeking medical treatment for health problems? sorry i'm not seeing any cause and effect.
Hollywood Old is about casting young, it's not about treating the elderly as over the hill drains on society. yes there is a an implicit snub, but it's indirect emotional damage.
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Okay with say Hollywood Thin you got a unrealistic body image that impressionable viewers may harm themselves in trying to reach it. it is a clear case of cause and effect. fair enough.
With hollywoodOld a younger woman playing an older character... so people over 60 stop seeking medical treatment for health problems? sorry i'm not seeing any cause and effect.
Hollywood Old is about casting young, it's not about treating the elderly as over the hill drains on society. yes there is a an implicit snub, but it's indirect emotional damage.
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Fair enough, I'll remove it. I don't think I was the one who put it in in the first place though.
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Bulletproof Vest is incorrect and out of date by at least a decade.
The last sentence is factual, however modern armor plates at level 3 and above (which are the typical plates worn by police and military) are required to be proof against multiple impacts. Level 3 must stop 5 impacts of 7.62 FMJ lead core targetted at pre-inflicted stress fractures in the plate. While Level 4 is only tested to stop a single hit, it is proof against all inferior levels as well (thats how NIJ standards work, they're cumulative)
In addition, modern plates can absolutely stop knives. Try shoving a knife through a half inch thick book, for example. Modern plates are far, far stronger than a book, but even a few layers of paper will stop a knife.
The threat posed to armored individuals by knives is due to the portions the armor doesnt cover. Even in a full Level 4 ballistic covering, the plates are not a solid curiass and have gaps between the 4 removable plates that make up the protection in the vest, or outright do not cover the forearms, inner thighs, face, and shins. Lots of places to stab that aren't armor.
Modern plates aren't made of kevlar, nor are modern vests. Both are polyester, with level 4 plates generally having a ceramic composite glued to the front. They stop repeated impacts, they stop knives, and they stop basically everything thrown at them designed to kill a human.
Generally when people die in armor nowdays they're killed by injuries to unarmored areas, because armor is heavy and generally concentrated/limited to the torso and a helmet
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