Unclear description (alt titles crowner 7/30): World Of Pun

I know I'm about to commit heresy here, but still I'm tempted to ask: Do we seriously need a whole "trope" page to exist for the sole reason of being a pothole for each and every pun tropers make? (Regardless of what it's called, Pun, Incredibly Lame Pun, Worldwide Punomenon, Just For Pun, or whatever)

edited 12th Jan '12 10:30:40 AM by Zulfiqar

My personal opinion? No. But I think that particular sinkhole habit is so entrenched in the troper hive mind that it would be a pain and a half to break. Worth the effort? Maybe. But this discussion would be better to be had in the Incredibly Lame Pun TRS thread.

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And here's the example and wick check:

Examples: 137

• "Puns are used": 48
• "This is a pun-heavy work" (World of Pun): 35
• Punny Name/Punny Titles: 26
• Should be Pungeon Master: 6
• Should be Hurricane of Puns: 3
• X Just X/unclear: 14
• Other: 5

Wick Check

• ptitlezmm9c5za: Punny Name
• Additional Evil Overlord List Cellblock A: sinkhole
• Manga.Ah My Goddess: multilingual pun
• Ambiguous Gender: sinkhole
• Characters.Anarchy Reigns: sinkhole
• Music.Animusic: sinkhole
• Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?: pothole
• Ass Shove: 2 sinkholes
• YMMV.A Witchs Tale: sinkhole
• Baldurs Gate: pothole
• Beat Still, My Heart: sinkhole
• Beware the Quiet Ones: sinkhole
• Bitch in Sheep's Clothing: sinkhole
• Bodyguard Crush: sinkhole
• Bring My Brown Pants: pothole
• Recap.Buffy The Vampire Slayer S 2 E 15 Phases: sinkhole
• Candy Land: non-person Punny Name
• Celestial Body: sinkhole
• WesternAnimation.Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers: sinkhole, non-person Punny Name, uses puns
• Collective Groan: pothole
• Cool Train: sinkhole
• CSI Miami: sinkhole, uses puns
• Webcomic.Darkmoons Silly Web Comic: probably World of Pun
• Death's Hourglass: sinkhole
• Descent: non-person Punny Name
• Did We Just Have Tea with Cthulhu?: sinkhole
• Characters.Dissidia Final Fantasy Warriors Of Chaos: 2 sinkholes, 2 non-person Punny Name
• YMMV.Donkey Kong Country: sinkhole
• Dragon Quest V: World of Pun
• Dueling Movies: sinkhole
• Easy Levels, Hard Bosses: sinkhole
• Ensemble Dark Horse: sinkhole—it's not even a pun
• Everything's Better With Indexes: puns are used
• Explosive Decompression: pothole
• Felidae: puns used
• Fission Mailed: sinkhole
• Fragile Speedster: sinkhole
• Fullmetal Alchemist: 2 sinkholes
• Gaming In The Clinton Years: sinkhole
• Giant Foot of Stomping: sinkhole
• VideoGame.Golden Sun Dark Dawn: 2 sinkholes, pothole
• Grievous Harm with a Body: sinkhole
• Half the Man He Used to Be: sinkhole
• HarryPotter.Harry Potter And The Chamber Of Secrets: non-person Punny Name
• Heel Realization: 2 sinkholes
• Literature.High School DXD: sinkhole
• Series.Horrible Histories: pothole, uses puns
• PlayingWith.Ho Yay: sinkhole
• Iconic Logo: sinkhole
• I'm Not Doing That Again: pothole
• Innocent Innuendo: pothole
• iSophagus: sinkhole
• John Dies At The End: should be Pungeon Master
• Kaleidoscope Eyes: sinkhole
• Kick Chick: sinkhole
• Knee-capping: sinkhole
• Layman's Terms: sinkhole
• Let's Meet the Meat: 2 sinkholes
• MagnificentBastard.Live Action TV: sinkhole
• WesternAnimation.Mad: sinkhole
• VideoGame.Mario Bros: sinkhole
• Medium Awareness: 2 sinkholes
• Fanfic.Mines Of Dragon Mountain: puns used
• Characters.Mortal Kombat 2: 2 puns used
• VideoGame.Muramasa The Demon Blade: sinkhole
• Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 1 E 23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles: pothole
• Anime.Neon Genesis Evangelion: sinkhole
• Trivia.Nicolas Cage: pothole
• Nohamotyo: sinkhole
• Numbered Sequels: pothole
• One-Man Army: sinkhole
• Oscar Wilde: sinkhole
• Parodic Table of the Elements: sinkhole
• Characters.Persona 4: 3 sinkholes
• ThatOneLevel.Platform Game: sinkhole
• Trivia.Pokemon Black And White: nickname Punny Name
• Characters.Pokemon Generation III Families: 5 sinkholes
• VideoGame.Professor Layton And The Unwound Future: sinkhole
• Punctuated Pounding: sinkhole
• Manga.Ranma One Half: 2 sinkholes
• Reddit: World of Pun
• FanFic.Respect A Woman: sinkhole
• Rouge Angles of Satin: 7 sinkholes
• Roleplay.Sburb Patch Notes: Pungeon Master
• Series Continuity Error: pothole
• Shes The Man: sinkhole
• VideoGame.Silent Hill Downpour: sinkhole
• Songs in the Key of Lock: sinkhole, pothole
• Soviet Superscience: sinkhole
• Stargate SG-1: sinkhole
• Strawberry Dragon Project: 2 sinkholes
• Theatre.Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber Of Fleet Street: 2 sinkholes
• Items.Team Fortress 2: 5 uses puns
• Music.The Adventures Of Duane And Brand O: uses puns, pothole
• Film.The Brain That Wouldnt Die: Hurricane of Puns
• Discworld.The Fifth Elephant: uses puns
• VideoGame.The Legend Of Zelda Skyward Sword: sinkhole
• Funny.The Muppet Show: sinkhole
• The Sims: sinkhole
• The Tropeless Tale: sinkhole
• Discworld.Thief Of Time: pothole
• Time Travel: non-person Punny Name
• Toss The Turtle: uses puns
• MassEffect.Tropes E-H: sinkhole
• Ty The Tasmanian Tiger: pothole
• Unusual Euphemism: uses puns
• WMG.Victorious: sinkhole
• Villainous BSoD: pothole, sinkhole
• Wave-Motion Gun: sinkhole
• FunnyAneurysmMoment.Western Animation: uses puns
• Series.Whats My Line: pothole
• Quotes.Whose Line Is It Anyway: 3 uses puns
• Headscratchers.Wizards Of Waverly Place: sinkhole
• SoYouWantTo.Write A Survival Horror Game: sinkhole
• You Would Not Want to Live in Dex: sinkhole

Wick check summary:

• Total wicks checked: 115 (10%)
• Total number of uses: 152
  • sinkholes: 97 (64%)
  • used for "this is a pun" or "this work uses puns": 39 (26%)
  • used for non-person Punny Names: 8 (5%)
  • used for World of Pun: 3 (2%)
  • other (mostly misuse for one of the other pun tropes): 5 (3%)

EDIT: I have no idea why that one link (the My Little Pony redlink) is broken. It's not typed the way the redlink shows.

edited 12th Jan '12 12:13:40 PM by Nocturna

Heh, I suggest we just create a page called Pothole For Puns. And the only text on this page would be "Use this page as a pothole for your puns."

Maybe Pun Intended/No Pun Intended, to actually communicate a message besides "har har I made a funny". That's not heresy at all, but using potholes to communicate complex ideas with a short phrase is kind of a "style" associated with TV Tropes culture, fighting that seems like spitting against the tide.

edited 12th Jan '12 1:34:41 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

That lost the crowner in the Incredibly Lame Pun thread.

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Returning the the question of what to do with A Worldwide Punomenon, I understand Routerie's suggestion to redirect and start over in YKTTW with the "pun heavy work" trope, but I'm reluctant to go that route for one main reason: I like A Worldwide Punomenon as a name: it's clever*

while still being understandable. And it's more unique/interesting than, say, World of Pun (the only alternate title I can think of), without really being any less clear. I would really rather not see A Worldwide Punomenon consigned to the alt-titles ghetto.

That said, it's probably not a bad idea to put the pun-heavy-works trope through YKTTW.

Also, from the wick check, it looks like Worldwide Punomenon was being used to cover cases where episodes or work titles were puns. So the question is, is that covered under Punny Name, or should we create a different trope to catch those examples?

edited 12th Jan '12 6:06:23 PM by Nocturna

That said, World of Pun would be the same format as World of Ham or World of Snark, which might make it easier to understand at a glance.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

I'll write up a description for the World of Pun trope.

We need to decide whether we're going to transplant that to A Worldwide Punomenon or if we're going to redirect A Worldwide Punomenon to Incredibly Lame Pun.

I thought this trope was about how some puns simply can't be passed up when the opportunity arrives, and was largely the antithesis of "Incredibly lame pun", that it was kind of the "Tropes Are Not Bad" equivalent.

Inanity in 140 characters or more

I don't like redirecting A Worldwide Punomenon to Incredibly Lame Pun.

The Internet misuses, abuses, and overuses everything.

Should we have a pick that requires a caption in order for the demonstration to be clear?

edited 17th Mar '12 4:41:05 PM by captainsandwich

Helps but does not require.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.

World of Pun YKTTW made.

I've created a page-action crowner.

Crowner glued to thread.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Bumping for votes.

Also, if anyone could help me with the description for World of Pun (see the YKTTW), that would be appreciated.

Re-bumping for votes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

More votes would be good.

World of Pun is nearly ready for launch.

One question here: This supertrope pun, in which way is it related to the Incredibly Lame Pun Pothole Magnet? It seems like the latter could easily be redirected to pun and an In-Universe trope split off.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

It's separate. I agree that a redirect/change in Pothole Magnet would make sense, but that lost the Incredibly Lame Pun crowner, so it's not going to happen.

What I have been trying to figure out is how Pun, the definition, should interact with Punny Stuff, the index for all pun-related tropes. Pun would be the supertrope of all (or almost all—I haven't looked that closely) of all the tropes on Punny Stuff.

I wonder if a merge of Punny Stuff with pun would be in order there - but I am not sure if I should bring it up here.

Re Incredibly Lame Pun: Such a split is probably for the future to consider.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Calling crowner. The top option should be implemented.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Should cleaning A Worldwide Punomenon wicks (because it's been widely used as a general pun pothole magnet) get its own SE thread?

Yes, they should go to Incredibly Lame Pun. Btw, Nocturna, the crowner was about which page would be the Pothole Magnet - redirecting it to Pun and splitting the In-Universe form to another page would be OK.

I say that Punny Stuff and Pun look like they could be merged (unless I said this already)

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I've made a definition page Pun, but it needs some expansion.

I've also made a crowner to clear up the relationships between Pun and Incredibly Lame Pun and Punny Stuff, but I'll wait until we get the World of Pun YKTTW done before starting it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Are we going to merge Punny Stuff into Pun?