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The number of children
  • Why did Jerry and Theresa have three children if they knew there was a possibility of a family feud involving wizard powers? Why would they want their kids to compete like that, when they could just have one child keeping the powers, especially since Jerry saw first hand what happens, with his own siblings?
    • Because it's normal wizard custom. The family wizard battle is simply what wizards do. It doesn't seem as if Jerry sees as anymore than an unfortunate event.
    • Maybe they were accidents.
    • It's probably a Wizard Tradition of sorts. Otherwise they'd never increase the number of wizards, since wizards are usually only supposed to marry other wizards. While Max will never have powers (like Jerry), his kids (if he has them) will get to compete in their own Wizard Competition.
    • To increase experience. If only one wizard existed in each family, the wizard powers could be misused or not learnt well enough. The wizard competition encourages the kids to learn more about wizardry.
Wizard Competition
  • Considering the WMG above one must also remember that neither of Jerry’s siblings seem to have kids. T.J. is an only child and Stevie only has one brother. What if the wizard competition rule was a relatively recent rule made in the mid to late 80s, that no wizard believed would stick because of all the faults with it, only to learn the truth years later when the next generation was born.
    • Jerry won one of the first wizard competitions every he didn’t fully understand it at the time but soon after he won he feel in love with Theresa and gave his powers to be with her. He gave them to his brother and lost contact his sister. Not much is mentioned about how the parents took everything. Eventually he and Theresa hoped for the best and deciding to embrace mortal life for the moment, started a restaurant with his wife (as a cover up to justify their posh living arrangements) and had fun until they decided to have kids. They didn’t that the competition was still a thing until years later when Justin and Alex were born and (future murder) Max was on the way. So they just decided to raise their kids the best they could, while hoping for the best.
    • Sadly Stevie had to go through her wizard competition a little too early and she lost. Being on the outs with her family and brother already, she ran away to start a new life for herself a revolution to end the wizard competition so she and every kid will be able to keep their powers, and relationships with their siblings. Only to die because of Max. Although it’s said she came back to life, has two dogs, and that her relationship with her brother is improving but nothing can be confirmed. (TJ being an only child so he keeps his powers be default).
    • Alex and Justin kick it into overdrive to win the title of family wizard so they can stay in their relationships and only reason both Alex and Justin get a happy ending once Alex is considered the family wizard is that an elderly wizard decides to retire and give Justin his powers.
Alex's lack of emotion regarding Riley
  • WTH happened to Riley? Considering how emotional Alex got over Dean and Mason, you would not think they would make some mention of it.
    • It was just a childish crush that had no importance for Alex later. Alex's feelings for Dean and Mason were deeper than those for Riley, who was just a fun date.
    • He's mentioned in a recent episode when Harper goes off on all of Alex's former romances. Alex even tells her mother not to mention his name (along with the other two main love interests for Alex).

Alex and Mason
Anyone else find their relationship ridiculously disturbing? Mason was abusive. He tried to kill her brother because he was dating his ex, then tried to kill a random boy because he was interested in Alex. Alex finally broke up with him. By the next episode, all the abuse was forgotten and her only reason for turning him down was that she didn't want a boyfriend at the time. He ignored her wishes, put a spell on her to make her fall for him again, and even after that turned to shit, he continued to stalk her. In the ghost episode, Alex already started falling for him again. It's not cute. It's just unhealthy and sends a terrible message.
  • He didn't try to kill Justin because he was dating his ex; Justin was ignoring his pleas to let them find the locket so he could prove his love. In a realistic setting, it would have just meant that Mason and Justin would fight; and that would have been more acceptable.
    • Mason doesn't have a lot of control over his anger. Besides, it's not supposed to be a realistic setting. If it was there wouldn't be any magical creatures.
    • The episode "Wizard of the Year" suggests Chase and Alex were dating, but Alex suggested to Mason nothing was happening, and instead believed what the media had told him, and not what his girlfriend told him. Despite this, even after Chase is gone, Mason continues to try and fight for her affection, even using magic when he can.

Alex and Mason's Current Relationship
What on earth happened with Alex and Mason? Recently, they were forced to break up due to the Wizard Council's rule about humans dating werewolves. In order for them to get back together, Alex gets back in the Wizard Competition. However, in "Wizards of Apartment 13B", Mason returns as Alex and Harper's new neighbor asking for them to get back together. Did the writers forget what story they set up? Apparently, because now Alex doesn't want to get back together with Mason. Why? Because she's trying to be independent and can't have a boyfriend right now. Perhaps she should have brought up the LAW against them being together instead.
  • They made it clear that there was no law keeping them apart anymore. Alex decided to get back in the wizard competition and get back together with Mason, certain that she'd end up with her powers and not have to break up with him again. They then broke up for real when Mason tried to kill a guy who flirted with Alex. However, I can't explain why her only argument against them getting back together is wanting to be independent.

Conjuring Plastic
In the episode where Stevie's plan for the revolution is shown Alex and Stevie conjure a plastic wall to trap Justin and Harper in the wizard world. If magic doesn't work on plastic, which is even said about a minute or two later, how did they conjure it?
  • Magic doesn't work on plastic once it's created. You can still create plastic with it.

Angels enjoy wasting time
  • Rosie joins Justin's magic class (at an incredibly inconvenient time) and spends the whole episode demonstrating her absolute inability to do anything magical. We spend 29 minutes watching her flail her wand before The Reveal that she's an angel (which wasn't a surprise to anyone who had seen any of the commercials for this episode).
  • In the second episode with Rosie, we learn that black wings are the sign of Angels of Darkness. Also, we learn that wing color is changeable at will. Thus, the notion that wing color actually has some meaning is negated.

Gigi backwards isn't Gigi
  • In "Crazy Ten Minute Sale", Alex says to Harper to not say Gigi's name and Harper says "You Just said her name though" and Alex says we will say Gigi's name backwards and Harper says "Gigi spelt backwards is Gigi" and Alex says "well we will only know then" But Gigi spelt back wards is Igig so actually it is not them saying it backwards but if they were people would notice and say something, wouldn't they?
    • It's actually spelled Gigig, with a silent G at the end?
    • Nope, Gigi is on a nearby locker, presumably hers. Maybe they're just being stupid and that's the joke?
    • Maybe they assumed that she spelled it G.G.—which spelled backwards is G.G.
    • Harper probably meant that if you say the name backwards through syllables then it's be the same, which is true.

Obvious magic in front of muggles
  • In Back to Max, Alex and Justin accidentally turn Professor Crumbs into a little boy. Crumbs tells them about a potion that can reverse this. Now, the potion has a delayed reaction, and Professor Crumbs reverts back to his old self... in front of a bunch of people. How has no one noticed that? At least when Maxine reverted back into Max, Jerry was able to do some quick thinking and set off some confetti to distract the audience so no one saw. But did no one really notice a young boy turn into an old man?
    • 1. They were focused on the singer. 2. He was bent down among the seats so he was less in the open.

In "Alex Gives Up"
  • Why in hell does Alex suddenly just out of the blue, in full view of the man they need to impress, make Mason go wolf? It seems to be there to re-break up the two (Even though we know that they'll be together again, before the show is over).
    • She was jealous of the Cucuy girl who was flirting with Mason. She let Mason turn into a wolf to scare the girl off.

Abusing time loops
  • In the new episode where Alex and Mason have to break up, Harper is shown writing the novels she'll later publish in Future Harper. But, she already read the books, so she could just publish those and she shouldn't need to write them.
    • On a related note, how is she going to get away with writing books that already exist in that time period? Doesn't the Wizards of Waverly Place universe have copyright laws?
    • Technically, she's going to go back in time and publish them, and hold the copyrights herself. But she still doesn't need to write them!
      • This troper hasn't seen the episode, so she could be wrong, but in order to prevent a paradox, wouldn't Harper still have to physically write the books?
      • Well, no: It depends on whether the WOWP universe runs on Many-Worlds or the Novikov self-consistency principal. If the former, then Future Harper has abandoned her original timeline entirely, creating a new one when she traveled back in the past; Present Harper can chooses a different future for herself. If the latter, then its a Stable Time Loop: Future Harper read the books in her time, went back in time and published them, where Present Harper has read them, and will one day go back in time and publish the books herself; No one actually wrote the books originally.
      • Plus future Harper still has a crush on Justin, we have been shown Harper and Zeke seem to be meant for each other leading to the conclusion that she is not the same Harper. Or bad writing.

The secret of magic
  • Why is revealing magic in order to save the wizard world considered wrong?
    • Because (enough) Wizards are The Fair Folk with Blue-and-Orange Morality.
    • Even so, the reason shown in wizard court for her to be punished was her finding her mini-wand and telling Jerry, not, say, when they actually told reporters.
    • Why is revealing magic in general considered wrong?
      • Concerning the question above I refer you to Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Harry asks the same question, and as Hagrid tells him " Muggles would want solutions to their everyday problems." and not all muggles, are like Harper who'll just say "ok" and let them live their lives in peace (when Alex isn't causing trouble) there are a lot who'll use it to their advantage.
      • So either the wizards are held indefinitely by the government where they will be exploited, or they are shown to the public, given their freedom, and actually have a chance to use their powers on their terms? Why, the first is obviously better!
      • Because humans are not like that. Eventually, there would be an all out war, where the wizards attempt to over take the non-magic folk, or the non-magic folk attempt to overtake and use the wizards magic and magical object for their personal gain. You can find examples of this in real life. Humans are not known for holding hands and living in peace.

Kissing werewolves
  • In one of the earlier episodes, Justin's werewolf girlfriend says that if you kiss a werewolf, you turn into a werewolf. But we've seen Alex and Mason kiss bunches of times. Is there ANY explanation?
    • Mason is a pure werewolf, and Justin's girlfriend was a half-breed. That's their excuse.
    • What about the fact that Justin's girlfriend acted like a dog all the time (lapping up water with her tongue, chasing squirrels, catching Frisbees in her mouth, etc.), and Mason is quite obviously 100% capable of acting like a normal human except when a full-blown werewolf. And don't give me any of that 'self-control' shit, either - he went on a rampage when Justin was merely trying to protect Alex, and with good reason, considering Mason broke her heart not too long ago. And attacked Juliet, who he supposedly was insanely loyal to, for no reason at all.
    • It could be self-control, or more exactly, Mason is way WAY older than that girlfriend. He was used to being human, but like he explained, he can completely suppress his wolf nature. Also, about the "kissing" thing, this troper interpreted this as "When a werewolf kiss a human for the first time", meaning their first kiss, not the first kiss with each human. Also, bad writing.
    • Alex specifically asked Mason about the kissing thing, and Mason's answer was that he was pureblood where Justin's ex-girlfriend was a mutt. The next problem is why Mason's first onscreen transformation was shown to be painful. Further transformations are shown to be painless, though. The differences between Mason and that girlfriend may also be seen as the differences between a dog and a wolf. Wolves are usually depicted as cunning, while dogs are usually depicted as mildly retarded.
    • I always thought that they meant that the werewolf had to be in werewolf form when kissed in order for the other person to be turned into a werewolf. Mason and Alex kiss a lot, but Mason is always in human form.
      • No, that's not it. See above.

Magic A isn't Magic A
  • I noticed some stuff in the movie. Despite being a HUGE jerk the whole movie, Alex is the one who opens the path as she has "good intentions" WTF? And then the way she wins the duel...
    • The ball of magic moves around and Jerry explains that magic does whatever it wants, and he has no control, meaning the so called duel or competition is nothing more than a glorified lottery based only in luck. You can win even if you're unconscious.
      • The magic ball gave off the vibe that it wanted the competition to be won by something skillful, not something based on luck or something lame. Alex using the puddle spell to win just wouldn't make her worthy of the powers in any sense.
      • The main problem this troper had with the final duel was at the end where Alex just saw that flower and said "That's it!" without any aspect of the movie even referencing that she is even aware of a spell like that. Then it just so happens she creates a ridiculous unexplained flower spell that teleports her right to the ball and the rest of the duel is her trying to reach for the magic before Justin can run the entire distance she just teleported from when all she needs to do is take about two steps. Not to mention how she was MELTING when she cast the flower spell, and it did not affect her spell-casting in any way.
      • The map didn't say "good intentions" it said "the one whose intentions are pure." Alex was only thinking about saving her family, while Justin was thinking about how cool it would be to be a hero. Thus, her intentions at the time were pure while his weren't. They explained all of this in the movie.
      • Alex's main motivation was to save her own ass more than her family. She was no better than Justin.
      • Possible explanation: The spell that's in place may not consider wanting to save one's own life to be impure. There's nothing morally wrong with not wanting to die, but there is something morally wrong with using the situation as an opportunity to play hero.
      • Maybe it's because Justin was determined that he be the one to save everyone, whereas Alex just wanted to be saved and didn't feel the need to inflate her own ego.
      • Proposed solution: Justin's mind is falling apartnote  during the battle (because of being erased from history), while Alex has a little more time due to being at the center of the temporal disturbance. The Magic Ball goes to her because it is trying to help. She still has a working mind, and is therefore better positioned to reverse the spell that wrecked up time.
      • That doesn't make much sense either. The way they present the "erasing" (by eliminating Max first) means that the last one that should be erased is Justin. The only reason I can believe Alex was skipped is that she became a full wizard just in time. Alex's spell made so that their parents never meet each other, but she was not immune to the side-effects, either way they had went (erased from oldest to youngest, or youngest to oldest sibling) Alex shouldn't have been the last survivor "just because."
      • Alex goes last because she cast the spell. For that matter, Max's erasure being first might merely have been random. Or Alex being last could be random. There is no reason to presuppose that the deletions are proceeding in any particular order. 1 data point doesn't make a pattern.
      • While the erasing having a random pattern is understandable, and I totally accept it, there is no way Alex would go last for having cast the spell. She changed history, which should affect her just the same. And it still makes her a Designated Hero.
      • I always thought that there was a simple reason why (a.) Justin was the last to disappear and (b.) Alex was still there - with her memory fully intact and undamaged - after the spell fully took hold (as Jerry said, after Alex tried to reverse it): Alex is not a Russo. Consider what the exact words of her wish spell were, and what she did was alter reality in a manner so that in the past, Jerry and Theresa never met (and therefore never married, had kids, etc.). Jerry explained the effects of the spell Alex cast; both Max and Justin experienced those effects almost immediately, but Alex never did. There's only one reason why that would occur: Alex is not biologically Jerry and Theresa's child, so the alteration of reality that kept Jerry and Theresa from becoming a couple and having a family never affected her birth - and because she was the originator of the spell, she was protected from its affects (otherwise, she'd have an entirely new set of memories, and none of the Russo family). Just a few ideas...
      • But in the series is clearly stated that Thereza had her/went in child birth in the taxi, so she is a biological Russo.
      • I figured Alex won simply because she WAS the better wizard. Justin may have studied more and known more theory, but during the competition, it was clear that Alex thinks faster and has a better innate wizarding ability.
      • She used the same spell over and over and over again... that's not thinking fast... that's not thinking. If she wins the real deal, she will become just like their uncle.
      • It was just pure luck in the movie. They had to make obvious the fact that Selena Gomez is their chosen Disney star.
      • All of Justin's preparation for the match was under the idea that he could have access to any combat spell. He wasn't prepared for a match with such limits. Alex does the one thing she's good at, thinking on her feet. She used only a handful of spells, however they did prove to, well, work. What messes with me over that fight is that Alex did what she could to go for the magic. Justin threw up a wall of flames and made Alex MELT to stop her. It throws the 'which sibling is a psychopath' thing into debate.
      • STILL makes no sense. The only thing Alex has proven to be better(on the series) than Justin is to improvise spells. Now, if she had won because of that, it would have been a satisfactory win, as it's established that Justin thinks too much for those kinds of spells. Justin has practiced magic more, knows more spells. Alex winning is basically the same that exploiting a combo in a fighting video game that makes your opponent vulnerable: A hollow victory. And it's pretty much a given that, unlike Alex, Justin knows full the consequences of all the spells he casts. Unlike psycho Alex, who almost made him drown in quicksand and has killed people in the series.
      • Actually, the only actual living being Alex has killed was the Mummy and she had help from Max, Justin, and Mason, and the Mummy wouldn't have died if it wasn't for Max. Not counting that, Max is the only one who has killed anyone—Shattering Stevie after Alex froze her and releasing all the monsters in the city, which killed the other monster hunters. And so what if she won in the same of that video game combo exploitation, she used it to her advantage to help her win, showing that she can think on her feet and has talent.
      • Obviously, you had never had been beaten by the annoying combos. It's worse in this setting, it shows she doesn't have any creativity and will always rely on the same stuff. If she has to get against something that is immune to that, that's it, she's dead.
      • She only used it because it worked. And she did show creativity with that flower spell. You're only basing her magical talent on the spell that she used the most, which helped the situation. Seems like the other spells she used were forgotten.
      • Alex WAS the better wizard. It was an issue through the whole movie that Justin was jealous that he studied and practiced all the time and Alex always came out on top. I don't think that's fridge logic at all. That happens a lot in reality, where one person is just better for some reason.
      • Are we watching the same show? Alex ALWAYS screws up for not thinking ahead on her usage of magic, and Justin ALWAYS has to rescue her somehow (and half the time, Alex manages to screw him up while he's rescuing her). And yes, I'm aware that there are exceptions to that, and that Alex had rescued him on occasions. Justin's frustration is that Alex always gets what she wants and how she wants it, without any consequence, while he Can't Get Away with Nuthin'.
      • Maybe, but notice, despite the fact that she always creates a problem, that Alex seems to do spells almost perfectly despite the fact that she hasn't studied or barely listened to what's going on. I can name a handful of them (but that's work, so I won't). Justin says that he has to do all this hard work to learn a spell and it comes to Alex easily.
      • Indeed, it's established in the series that Alex has an easier time when inventing spells(with rhymes) and Justin has actual difficulty with those(POSSIBLY because she's more artistic than him) Had she won using those kind of spells(Involving the elements) it would have been a satisfying victory. With any other spells, while she can perform them also easily(Like any of the other Russo kids) she usually doesn't understand what they do exactly, like what they can or won't do.

Juliet and the Mummy

Juliet's re-aging
  • So, if Juliet is 2193 years old, shouldn't she have died when Mason's scratch took away her immortality? I mean, mortals don't generally live that long.
    • Perhaps when she became immortal, Juliet technically didn't grow older. Maybe her ability to age was simply frozen, meaning that when she became a mortal again, she was still physically a teenager. ...But I don't know. Grasping at straws here.
    • Probably because showing a decaying body on screen would be very nasty so she could've "died" off-screen instead.
    • It was probably a delayed reaction. When she got scratched, she was still a vampire for a few moments.
    • In "Moving On" at the end of the episode they show Juliet looking at Justin and the girl so therefore she didn't die but since she is 2193 yrs old she would've
    • When a vampire gets scratched by a werewolf, it takes away the vampire's powers. One of those powers is looking younger than you are. They never said it makes them mortal.

Buying the Dollhouse
  • Ok, what exactly happened in Dollhouse? Why did Justin spend all his money to buy that little girl's toy house, when he could use just a small part of the money? Or he could take the house by force, without paying for it, get Alex out of it, then return it to the little girl. There were many possibilities. That episode didn't make any sense.
    • Probably Harper told the little girl that Justin wants to buy her house with 400 dollars. Anyway it was some sort of scheme pulled off by Alex to torment Justin.
    • After watching the episode... This troper thinks the most reasonable answer is "The writers just enjoy screwing over Justin, and its the place where they use their creativity. That and killing people with magic". Seriously, the episode is people carrying the Idiot Ball over and over. getting the dollhouse back wasn't even necessary, Harper could have gotten Alex out of there since the beginning.

Magic and plastic
  • The episode where it was revealed that the wizard powers don't work on plastic (so the wizard school could be infested by plastic balls). Huh? Then what about the hundred of times they have used magic on plastic? Like transforming a mannequin and a doll...
    • I'm more interested by the fact that their wands seem to be made out of plastic.
    • On a different thread, a troper commented that magic can't be used on plastic which was conjured magically. So maybe the balls in Wiz-Tech were conjured there. This would make sense as the mannequin and doll were not made via magic.

Muggles in a muggle-free zone
  • In The Movie, when Alex, Justin and their father were on the wizard battle field, their mother found them easily. How did she find them? Wasn't that place supposed to be a special dimension for wizards only?
    • It's kind of implied she used the wishing rock to reach that place. Sure, it's supposed to grant a wish per wizard, but no one said anything about muggles.
    • Yeah, the guy who used Alex and Justin to get it was able to use it, and he was only human at the time.

The stupidity all around in Night at the Lazerama.
  • Seriously, were the walls made of plastic? The floor? The ceiling? Fan Wank: Mummies have intelligence draining magic fields?
    • And doesn't Justin have a perfectly conventional technology cell phone?
    • Also: The mummy can use magic to move someone through the plastic barrier?
      • It is said that mummies can use abilities that they had before they died. So maybe he was a former wizard?
      • The problem is this: the Mummy moves Juliet through the magic-proof plastic barrier by using magic.
    • Also, the skylight doesn't go down to the horizon. The sun won't get high enough to be seen through it until long after dawn.
    • And there's no reason they couldn't cover Juliet with clothes, or have her turn into a bat and hide behind something.
    • And if all of that fails, it's still smart to actually wait until the last moment when dawn comes, considering Justin's parents would notice he's missing long before day breaks.
      • On the subject of parents, wouldn't Juliet's parents have noticed she was missing and helped track down the mummy and rescue her?
      • Yet in the very next episode, they do rescue her and she gets killed off, anyway. Way to go, Disney. Thanks for making me spend fifty bucks on Kleenex boxes.

The very end of Wizards vs. Werewolves.
  • Apparently someone forgot that they have a spell that can reverse the last few minutes of time. Which they had egregiously abused for much less significant reasons in a previous episode.
    • What do you expect? The show is a live-action cartoon for kiddies. There won't be any logical, scientific explanation for any of these bugs because it isn't supposed to be serious, not even in its darkest moments.
    • It's Forgotten Phlebotinum. The problem is that comedies are supposed to have characters acting in silly ways and doing stupid things. But dramas where characters act stupid are bad stories. If you do a drama episode in a comedy show, you can't keep using comedy-levels of Forgotten Phlebotinum, Comedic Sociopathy, and other comedy staples to drive the drama. or it comes across as stupid and contrived.
    • Besides, I doubt Justin and especially not Alex would get involved in a heavy battle with a vampire and a werewolf that would've killed him if said vampire hadn't intervened. And they probably weren't thinking about the spell or any magic at the moment. The severe shock that their boyfriend and girlfriend were going to be gone forever would do that.
    • Alex's wand was on top of a wall she couldn't reach. She threw Justin's wand somewhere in the woods trying to knock it down. No wands = No Spell.
      • Alex used the spell that rewinds time with her hands about 17-18 times in the episode it was introduced.

Alex graduates first?
  • In the third season (the Franken Girl episode, I think) Jerry and Theresa mention the fact that Alex has to graduate and they say that she has to study for the exams. If Alex has to graduate, doesn't that mean Justin has already graduated? Then he must be in college, but he still lives there, with his family. How old are Justin and Alex? Because this confuses me.
    • Alex is supposed to be 17 years old and Justin 18 years old if we take into account the fact they age a year every season. Indeed, there is something wrong with the script, or Justin has already graduated and he still lives with his parents. This a valid possibility, although I doubt it, because Justin is too smart and ambitious to depend on his parents so much even after his graduation. So, my guess is that they have a different school system and that they take their exams to pass the 10th or the 11th grade, not to get into college.
      • Maybe he goes to NYU College of Arts and Science, which has a campus on Waverly Place (or Washington Square North, which is the same).
      • Or he thought he didn't need it because of Alex's graduation present for him being sending a clone to college then recombining them so he didn't have to go
      • It's very possible that he decided to focus on wizard studies rather than go to college, or that he goes to a local college. Not everyone goes to college right after high school, and not everyone goes away to college
    • Justin is a Senior in Season 3 and Alex is a Junior. They've played with their ages too much to be completely certain, but most evidence points to the logical assumption that Justin and Alex are less than a year apart in age.
    • All she said was that Alex has to graduate. She didn't say that year, she just said that it had to happen (presumably, as soon as possible).
  • He may be waiting for the wizard competition; why waste time learning a trade in college when you should be in Wizard University. We know from recent episodes that Alex and Harper have also graduated, and neither of them have made any attempts to go to college. Harper may not have the money, though. It also verges on WMG, but Justin may have regained some or all of the memories from Delinquent Justin.
  • This one's a borderline WMG. Near as I can tell, the Russos own their building. This is evidenced by the fact that they have full and exclusive use of the basement, and occupy the two floors above the restaurant. It's also been stated that their business is on the verge of bankruptcy, an assertion supported by the fact that their shop is perpetually half-empty, their customer service royally sucks, taxes and utilities are not cheap in Manhattan, and they have stiff competition from Juliet's family (even though they've not been seen, signage indicates that their shop is still around). As such, they could probably get by much better than they are now just renting out their storefront. It's a prime business location that could turn a tidy profit for someone who actually knows how to run a business.
    • Probably to keep the new owners from accidentally walking in on the lair. Anyways, is it ever stated that the business is on the verge of bankrupts?
    • Alex says it in the Shakira episode.

Why is Stevie considered a villain?
  • "The Good, the Bad, and the Alex" (I watched On Demand. Read no further and wait til Friday if you don't want it spoiled) had Stevie and hundreds of other underdog wizards plotting to overturn the Wizard Council's "one wizard per family" rule. This could've been a good debate (or even a shouting match) on the merits and demerits of the current system, and whether or not overturning it might actually be a good idea. Instead, Justin points out repeatedly how Obviously Evil Stevie is, even accusing her of trying to take over the Wizard World (even though she gives no indication of wanting to do anything except neutralize the Council's ability to transfer wizard powers between siblings), Harper keeps pointing out that Alex will do the right thing in the end (thus agreeing with Justin in principle, just not about Alex), and Alex engages in a Batman Gambit, pretending to go along with Stevie's plan so she can subvert it. Really, is the council's policy really such a sacred cow that the good guys can't even talk about it?
    • Not to mention the fact that Max breaks the (frozen) Stevie, apparently killing her, and no one cares. at. all. Yet another example of how this show has become much darker
      • How is Stevie not evil? I don't see anything in her plan that doesn't seem evil. Though she really didn't need to die over it.
      • How is it evil? This troper was utterly confused throughout the entire episode. At the very most, Stevie could be considered radical, but...she was no where NEAR being evil. Her plan was about being fair, but it was portrayed as Pure Evil!!
    • In fact, to this troper, Stevie's idea seemed really good because it would have diminished the whole Sibling Rivalry and would have reduced the number of broken wizard families. An example would be Megan and her brothers, Jerry and Kelbo, who haven't been on good terms at all since the competition and they will probably never be again, as suggested in Retest.
    • Let's put this logic to another Disney show. Say, the Jonas Brothers spend their entire young lives learning to be musicians, but when they all reach adulthood, they have to have a contest to determine which one gets to keep their musical talents, and the others give up music forever. Now, if a member of another musician family comes along and says, 'Hey, this system is unfair,' they're evil?
    • I saw that episode recently and it bothered me too. Stevie's brother was clearly an incompetent wizard so Stevie's anger is partially justified. In addition, wouldn't it be worth discussing the merits of her plan? She wasn't trying to actively hurt anyone, she just wanted to remove the unfair limitation of only one child being the designated wizard (not that she should have succeeded but perhaps she was on to something). And of course, her death and the reactions that followed. She was shattered into a million pieces and Alex just kinda goes "Ok who wants to go to the fair?". I suppose her brother or someone could put her back together, but what if that isn't possible? Max just murdered someone in cold blood.
      • You don't know that Stevie's brother is incompetent. Didn't he win the competition in the first place?
      • Max has killed plenty of people in cold blood by bringing the monsters in the book to life (which doesn't even make sense) and killing off the monster hunters.
      • Don't forget how Max caused the death of The Mummy.
      • He was also the real reason that Stevie died. By shattering her, it was implied that she could be unfrozen if kept intact.
    • I figured that the issue is that Magic isn't an omnipresent resource like most magics are. And that since it can be taken from someone there is a finite amount. Meaning that destroying the means to transfer the energies from one person to the next would, in essence, destroy magical society as we know it. And that the magic not being gathered off failed wizard children would mean the whole Wizard world could collapse. Also, when it comes to non-credits cast that are in any way interesting they must be removed from the show the moment people like them. Still, freezing and shattering someone 'for laughs' is a bit squicky.
      • Also the Wizard Competition is likely to stop the powers from getting into the hands of people like Max and Kelbo. OH WAIT. At least it worked on the competent ones (Alex and Stevie).
      • Even though I don't see Stevie's plan as being all that evil, she's still going against the wizard rule/laws/whatever. And I always figured that the competition was to see who was the better wizard. Better in the sense that, to quote the above troper, magic doesn't fall into the hands of people like Max and Kelbo, despite that happening to the latter. If a bunch of people like them ALL got powers, something chaotic can happen.
      • The theme in the show is that the most incompetent wizard gets to keep their powers. When Jerry wins, he gives his powers to Kelbo because he needs them most, when Warren wins, Stevie runs away in the middle of the transfer of powers ceremony because "it's not fair that only one wizard gets to keep their powers", in the movie, after Max gets sucked into the tornado, Alex wins the competition, and now Max is 2 levels ahead of Alex and Justin in the wizard competition. And why would breaking the rules be a problem for Alex? I also think that the person who said Stevie's plan was good because it would get rid of the sibling rivalry may be onto something, since in the episode where Jerry, Kelbo, and Megan have to redo the wizard competition, not only does the transferman say that he "sees the wizard competition break up families each day" or something to that effect, but when they can't get Megan to take the test, it's the only time in the series when the family is actually broken apart.
    • Really? A theme? Not counting the movie, Kelbo is the only incompetent wizard who has gotten their powers. Max isn't even as incompetent as you'd think. I'm going with what another troper said—Stevie's plan didn't seem evil (to us anyway), but she was still going against rules/laws that were put in place. The laws are there so that the most competent wizard will get his powers, because if every single wizard got powers something chaotic is bound to happen.
    • Because she's possessed by an evil lake witch.
    • So rebelling against rules you think are unfair is considered evil? This show takes place in America! This show was written in America! The core audience lives in America! If it weren't for rebellion, America wouldn't exist!
    • It's all a case of bad writing. They never truly establish why the wizard competition exists or what it is. The movie shows that the test makes the rules by random, but everything in the show suggests the competition is more akin to a certification or licensing. If it's like was said before, and magic is like an power grid, too many wizards will overtax it and cause a blackout.
      • The unfairness is not in that certain wizards lose their powers, but that only one member in each family does. One family could have multiple kids that would make great wizards while another could have all kids that would b terrible family wizards. Only children get the unfair right of not having the possibility of losing their powers. TJ was a more evil wizard than Stevie, he used mind control on his parents so he could do whatever he wanted, and turned his ex-girlfriend into a middle age woman, yet it seems that he is an only child so he is guaranteed to keep his powers, when any of the Russo kids would make better wizards than him.
Older children have an advantage over younger kids, because they get more years of practice with their powers. This is even more apparent in families with larger age gaps, imagine the Duncan family in Good Luck Charlie were wizards, PJ is about 16 years older than Charlie that hardly seems like a fair contest (ignoring his incompetence). The competition also places an unfair strain burden on siblings by making them compete. If their is a limited amount of magic that can be present, it would be fairer to have either all wizards of a certain age have to compete, creating a more level playing field, eliminating family rivalries and decreasing the chance of bad wizards getting powers simply because their siblings were worse. Or just having an individual test each wizard must pass. Also, challenging laws that we believe to be unfair are the funding principles of not only America but of a lot of other countries as well, without rebellions, many countries would not have independence, women and other minorities would not have equal rights, and hundreds of unfair laws would not have been repealed. Stevie wasn't evil, she was a revolutionary (even if she was doing it for selfish reasons), if I was a wizard I would have joined her whether I was behind in my family competition or not.
  • In all likeliness, I imagine the Wizard Council implemented the competition to prevent siblings from the off chance of getting power-hungry and turning on each other. It's essentially the same reason why the Siths have the Rule of Two—because before then, the Siths got too consumed with power, which created infighting, and led to the rule being implemented. In the same vein, the Wizards would not want to risk a similar incident of fighting over power. After all, power does corrupt.
  • What happened to the dragon dog anyway? It's probable that it would be difficult to always have a dog on set when he was needed, but why have no characters even mentioned what happened?
    • They lampshaded this one a few episodes ago. No, I don't remember which episode it was but the dragon dog was mentioned.
    • "Max's Secret Girlfriend". They ask Max what else he has told his girlfriend, and Max said everything except for the dragon dog, "Because I frankly don't know what happened with him". Worst case scenario, it's the dragon that Alex killed to get Merlin's hat.

Didn't Harper have a crush on Justin?
  • Why is Harper head over heels for Zeke all of a sudden? Did the writers decide they'd gotten as much mileage as was to be had out of her obsession with Justin?
    • They probably wanted to pair Zeke and Harper off so that it wouldn't be anyone in Jalex's way anymore. Heh. Just kidding. Perhaps, Harper has decided to let go of Justin, because the poor girl has had a crush on him for too long and he has never shown any interest in her, so she tries to get over him by trying to like another boy.
      • It's probably a case of Ascended Fanon caused by not wanting to pair Justin with Harper after all. The only other viable pairings are Max (probably too young despite their ages being pretty similar on the show itself) and a new character, which would probably be a waste of time and effort.
    • The Zeke/Harper pairing has been planned for a long time now. It's just starting to get serious with recent episodes, but the writers have been dropping hints for a while now. It's not 'out of the blue' or anything, if you've been watching closely. Plus they're just way too adorable together to NOT be a couple!
      • The problem with this is that future Harper is still crushing on Justin so she is either reverting to this crush, from another dimension, or the writers forgot about that.

Messed-up ages
  • In "Alex Russo, Matchmaker?", Alex, Harper, Justin and Zeke are all in the same chemistry class. Why? I know Justin's age has been played around with before but Zeke's supposed to be a year older than Justin, did he suddenly become an idiot and fail Chemistry or something?
    • This troper took Chemistry (a 10th-grade class at his high school) as a senior, because there would have only been six kids in the class had we had it in the appropriate year. We were moved in with the (11th-grade) Physics students instead, took (12th-grade) Advanced Physics in junior year, and Chemistry our senior year. All of which is to say: it may not be failing so much as bureaucracy.
    • Actually, the sciences are the courses least likely to be taken in any particular order. This Troper is a senior in AP Biology with half the class being juniors.
  • In the movie, Jerry makes his nachos bigger saying something about how they don't give enough to eat. Why don't a couple of wizards use this spell to end world hunger? Or, if Jerry's that picky about money, why doesn't he make small subs and then get the children to make them bigger?
    • Look at the Wizards we have seen so far. Cloudcuckoolanders, evil people, jerkasses or self absorbed people. About Jerry, notice Movie!Jerry acts pretty immature, very unlike normal Jerry.
      • When did we see an evil wizard?
      • There was that kid who tried to turn Alex evil in the Saving Wiz Tech episodes. There's also Stevie, but apparently YMMV.

Didn't anyone notice the werewolf?
  • One thing bugged me about Wizards Unleashed. Why is no one at the party freaking out at the sight of Alex bringing a werewolf at Zeke's Party? Zeke damn near shit bricks at the sight of Mason. This is particularly wallbanger inducing when Justin meets up with Alex and Mason at the party. You know, the same Justin who is so Lawful Stupid at times that he has threatened to rat out members of HIS OWN FAMILY for breaking magical rules.
    • Because Zeke saw him transform.
    • True, but it doesn't change the fact that a roomful of mortals saw a dude who looked like a wolf and didn't say anything.
    • Usually when people see things out of the ordinary, they try to make sense of it. Since they didn't see him change from a wolf into a half...wolf..thing, they probably thought things like "oh he's wearing a costume", "he must have a physical deformity", "must be hereditary", etc.
    • It was a contrived attempt at doing the whole 'love conquers all' plot, showing Alex getting over how shallow she is. It felt forced, of course, but so do a lot of other things in this show. And like all those other things, it's best not to think about it too much.
    • Seeing someone with a hairy face is nothing near seeing someone turn from wolf to human (or the other way around). There are loads of deformities that involve hair in unusual places.
  • In Wizard School, Headmaster Crumbs says that he can't confront Dr. Evilini because she'd only deny it. Then he proceeds to use a truth spell on Alex with HIS HANDS TIED UP. Since he can obviously still use this spell, what's stopping him from using it on Evilini? To make matters worse, that's exactly what Alex ends up doing later! It's like the last 15-30 minutes of the episode were completely unnecessary.
    • Visual metaphor: "my hands are tied" means something is preventing you from interfering with something, in this case probably Evilini herself so long as he didn't have proof of her plot. Crumbs used the truth spell on Alex someone whom he could 'interfere' with indirectly giving her the means to stop Evilini and break the 'bonds' that prevented him from acting.
      • That might be the case if Alex didn't expressly make it clear that Evilini "tied up his hands so he can't do anything about it." I'm pretty sure if there were any extra "bonds" that Evilini had over Crumbs he would have mentioned them.
  • In "All About You-niverse", the magic mirror must be taped back together in order to work properly. This isn't illogical in itself, except for one thing: Since magical items can be affected by magic, why couldn't they simply use magic to repair it?
    • The book Justin used to look up how to fix the magical mirror told them what to do. That they followed it to the letter is just Idiot Ball juggling.
    • It's possible that magic didn't work on the mirror itself, despite magic affecting other magical items. Who knows what would happen if you used magic on a portal that lead to an alternate dimension?
  • "Potion Commotion." For the wizarding lesson, Justin and Jerry test out an anger emotion potion. The potion doesn't actually make them hate each other, but instead makes them say gushy things to each other in angry tones. But then later on in the episode, Alex uses a love emotion potion and it makes her completely in love with herself when, following the earlier experiment, it should have made her say hateful things to herself in loving tones. This kind of logic happens in almost every episode and yet the show is praised as the best on Disney.
    • Um, it's an anger potion, not a hate potion. Anger doesn't make you say hateful things, hate makes you say hateful things. There's no flawed logic about what those potions did.
    • Exactly. The anger potion made Justin and Jerry feel angry with each other, but they both knew it wasn't really how they each felt, and so they angrily announced what they both knew they really felt about each other. Alex is already narcissistic, so she does think highly of herself; falling in love with herself literally just gave that a magical element.
    • Well, I figure that it's a generally accepted law that humans can't know about magic, possibly because (a.) they'd try to manipulate and exploit wizards - using them for things such as war, (b.) they'd try to destroy wizards out of fear, (c.) they'd experiment on wizards and try to find out how they can use magic, or (d.) they'd try to keep wizards as pets/slaves. To avoid any of these and possibly anything else, you wouldn't be allowed to reveal the existence of magic.
    • BULLSHIT. A- Well, maybe the war thing, but you could solve world hunger, disease, the energy crisis, and it would be a revolution to industry: B- Again, maybe, but Humans aren't bastards, and they're, y'know, Wizards, i.e. people with magic friggin powers. C- Can't that be justified? (So long as it's ethical, of course) D- See B. And all of those are undercut by the fact that all the wizards are being held hostage anyway, so there should be nothing to lose.
    • I'm not saying that any of those things would happen, I'm saying that those could be some reasons why wizards haven't revealed themselves. Obviously there are positives and benefits to revealing magic but those are the downsides. And humans aren't bastards? Not all of us, but a pretty damn good majority of us are. You cannot convince me that if magic was revealed some humans wouldn't try to do any of those things to wizards that were mentioned above, which is exactly what is trying to be avoided. They just want to leave peacefully and, well, ignorance is bliss.
    • While many people are bastards, don't forget that these are people who violate the known laws of physics on an hourly basis. They can rewind time, and you think anyone's gonna try to pull anything? And even if there were some initial hostilities, the aforementioned reality warping powers could, as said before, revolutionize the world.
    • Did you watch Wizards Exposed? Those Government guys burst into the Sub-Shop and effectively cut off all magic before the Russo's could do anything about it. Sure it wasn't real but that doesn't exclude possibility of it happening.
    • Isn't this kind of like the butterfly net thing with ''Fairly OddParents? Sure, they can bend space and time or whatever, but if you throw a plastic tablecloth over them, they're stuck and now they have to spend the rest of their lives doing what you say.
    • But there is a lot of plastic that magic can effect. In fact, somewhere above a Troper commented that they believe "magic can't be used on any plastic which was conjured with magic" or something. This makes a lot of sense with most plastic that they have used magic on, or with, in the series. So, yes, you could throw a plastic sheet over them, but they could get out. That being said, they could also easily use teleportation magic that WON'T mess with the plastic cloth. Plus a sheet of plastic is probably not that heavy and could easily be pulled off to use a spell that does not need a wand or a long sentence.

Justin's Idiot Ball
  • In the season 4 opener, Justin fell for a pretty obvious trick. An alien language that he created? Come on. He's usually smarter than that.
    • As for why would somebody would wanna be a wizard? It's cool.
  • In the episode, 'Western Show' Alex takes Mr. Laritate back to the Old West, and a fight breaks out. After Mr. Laritate hits the last man standing in the fight over the head with a glass bottle. Alex stares, with her mouth open, which seems to me that she was appalled at Mr. Laritate doing this. Then, not 10 minutes after she does the same to him! Then she stands, looking quite pleased with herself, while her family stare at her with their mouths open. Max even hides behind Justin.
    • They were shocked that Laritate actually beat Clanton, in general. Not just because he finished him with a beer bottle.
      • I thought that too, but, on rewatching she is definitely shocked about the bottle. They say 'Laritate actually won!' and then Justin asks, 'Is it over?' or something. Only after he hit him with the bottle, however did they actually look shocked.
    • She wasn't really "appalled" that it happened (I mean, she just told Justin to throw a guy out the window). I figured that she was just surprised that Mr. Laritate of all people would do something like that. Not because of what he did.
  • Another for the 4th season premiere: Crumbs tells Alex that the government thing never existed and she uses this as her defense in Wizard Court. Crumbs however, shows proof she was in government facility in the crystal ball. Why didn't Alex just ask for Crumbs telling her this to be showed and call the guy out? Also as the above troper points out, the whole thing is really cruel and Alex and Justin really were trying to save everyone.
  • Yet another from the season 4 premier; Namely, Alex being punished for trying to save the whole wizard world. I understand Justin being punished, since he fell for an obvious trap, but in Alex's case, what else could she have done? She didn't know that she still had powers until after she had started revealing wizards to the world, so her only other choice was to just ignore that the wizard world was in danger. Also, Alex has done many bad things with bad intentions, so why is it that she only gets punished when trying to do good?
    • Here's my opinion of the episode. IT'S A TEST. You have to do what you're supposed to do no matter what. There are rules to follow and just because the situation looks bleak, you follow them. THEY BROKE THE RULES. THEY PAY THE CONSEQUENCES. It was poor judgement on Alex's part and Jerry warned her to let it blow over.
  • From the newest few episodes. It makes me really hate the wizard world. For starters, Justin and Alex got degraded for exposing magic, but they didn't really, so why do they get punished like they did? And Crumbs kidnapped their family and made them walk all those miles in the desert, so shouldn't that be illegal?
    • For the first question, they thought that they did, so it still counts. As for the second, I don't know.
  • Why hasn't anyone commented on the Fridge Logic of Max becoming a little girl? He's a teen boy in the throws of puberty and now he's a little girl. That's gotta be messing with his head a little. It seems like he still has his own mind, and so being in a girls body could lead to something....weird. He's going to be one messed up kid when he becomes a boy again and grows up.
    • I think this is just a wizard thing, honestly. They've turned into animals before, right? Plus that episode where both Alex and Justin turn themselves into Max...
  • "Why is revealing magic in general considered wrong?"
    • This quote from the beginning will get me to my own. Humans doesn't know nothing about wizards, but wizards know everything about humans. The percentage of corruption on wizard authorities seems a kind of lower than human ones, and they know their own weakness. So why they let the humans control the world instead of taking over and
"revealing humanhood" being wrong?
  • Why did the Test end when Alex announced magic to the world? It didn't end after Justin announced magic. While Max didn't reveal magic, who knows if he'd have been able to keep it up. Furthermore, with the government already knowing about Magic, did Alex REALLY reveal magic to the world, when they already know about it? Sure, it's revealing it to the public. But if the government is holding everyone in the wizarding world, it's not like revealing magic would hurt wizards — they're already all captured! How long was she supposed to give Crumbs to escape, before they decided she passed the test?

In the first episode in which Stevie appeared, shouldn't Alex have realized she was a wizard?
  • When Alex talks to the posters in "Detention Election", the posters refuse to tell her who put them up in Mr. Laritate's office because, and I quote, "she promised to vote for me." This means that whoever put the posters up communicated with them while they were doing so, which only a wizard could have done. Even for Alex, that shouldn't have been tough to figure out.
    • There's no evidence Stevie brought the posters to life; bringing paintings to life results in them commenting on their time spent in the museum in the episode when that happened, that wasn't used as any indication that anyone magical had interacted with the paintings before.
    • They said she made them promise not to tell, which means she spoke to them.

      • She probably just didn't take much note of it. The poster Justin immediately undid the spell that let them talk in the first place after that before she could question him about it, so she probably didn't have much time to think about it.

Wizards Unleashed coming after Wizards Exposed in production order?
  • If the events of Unleashed happened after Exposed and before the season 4 opener, that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!! Don't get me wrong, I did enjoy Unleashed, but will someone explain to me HOW Alex saving Mason as a puppy and the parents' anniversary coming in-between the family being captured and the season 4 opener when they return home and feel relieved about it makes ANY logical sense?!?
    • She didn't save him as a puppy. By the way, Wizards Unleashed is the one where they find out he's a werewolf, Alex Saves Mason is the one where she saves him. Both of them came before Wizards Exposed (if I remember correctly).
      • Actual, Wizards Unleashed and Alex Saves Mason are the same episode (it has an alternate title because of reasons), they find out Mason is a werewolf in Wizards vs. Werewolves. But, addressing the original question: just because things are filmed in a certain order doesn't mean that they necessarily take place in that order. It think that, in terms of a timeline, those episodes take place in the order they aired in, but because of scheduling and/or availability of actors and sets, they were filmed in opposite order.

Justin making Frankie
  • If monsters are so horrible that there are monster hunters, shouldn't it be against at least a few wizard laws to actually CREATE them? Wizards laws which Justin wouldn't have the guts to break.
    • But, she wasn't created as a monster. She was created as a bodyguard for his room. The reason why she was considered a monster in the episode where she was taken away is beyond me. She's something more like a living computer. And maybe the way Justin created Frankie is an exception.
    • Presumably, Justin knows all rules the Wizard world has, and making Frankie was either in a loophole or something that wasn't covered yet. It's possible all things animated through magic count as monsters(Like Manny, Justin's pimple or the Helping Hand)

Mr. Laritate firing Alex as his deputy in "Don't Rain on Justin's Parade—Earth"

Justin's reason for leaving Rosie
  • This made little sense and seemed like a blatant case of Reset Button to Status Quo Is God—they didn't want to kill off the character but they couldn't have her keep appearing either. (And I could think of several different ways to put her on a bus which made more sense—-for instance, now that she is a good angel again she's on supervised probation somewhere far away.) It seems like the writers don't understand that comedy and drama have different requirements and when you're doing a dramatic moment, things need to make a lot more sense.
    1. If dating an angel prevented them from being there when the world needed them, then it should have been brought up earlier on. None of the angels ever said that dating angels makes it hard for them to do their job. The idea that it does came completely out of the blue.
    2. If acting as an angel is like a job, people don't work at their jobs 24 hours a day. They may be on call 24 hours a day, but they aren't actually called 24 hours a day. At most Justin could expect her to have to leave a date early because of an emergency. And just the fact that an angel dance club exists proves that angels have leisure time and that angels using their leisure time doesn't put people in peril.
    3. Angels are shown to work on a small scale. They help individuals, they don't save the world unless helping an individual happens to do so. Claiming that the world needs Rosie is like claiming that nobody can date Alex because the world needs her (after all, she just saved the world too.)

Frankie Stein
Why the hell was Alex so willing to give her up to the monster hunters? They spent a whole episode making it so she and Frankie were friends, then she just hands her over to be possibly killed? What the heck?
  • Well, Alex never really wanted to be her friend in the first place. She just wanted to bypass Justin's "security system" for his room. Frankie got on Alex's nerves and forcibly made her join the cheerleading squad. Alex didn't seem to like her other than the fact that, now that she could manipulate Frankie, she could get into Justin's room.
  • Besides, they did it so that Juliet (who Alex actually does like as a friend) and her wouldn't be taken away.
  • More importantly, how was Alex able to KO her by making her say, "Ctrl-Alt-Delete"? It doesn't automatically shut anything down, those are Alt-F4 and Ctrl-W! I tried it with IE, and it opened a menu!
    • On my computer, Cntl-Alt-Delete takes me to a page where I can log off, switch users, change my password, or start the task manager. It's sort of... like standby?
    • Back in the days of DOS and early Windows (Pre 3.1) Ctrl-Alt-Del would forcibly reboot the computer. Now it is used to access the Task Manager and security features. It's a legacy thing, there isn't generally a key combination to reboot anymore so this is the closest thing they could use.

So, wait, what exactly is the problem here?
Does anybody else get incredibly bugged by the fact that in "Disenchanted Evening", at the end when Alex complains about the fact that she's not in trouble for accidentally sending her brother to mars, after she charmed them into letting her do what ever she wants? And, even if she does want rules her self, why the hell should she care whether TJ's parent's are charmed or not?
  • She had that moment that everyone has growing up, when you realize that your parents are in charge because JUST MAYBE they know better than you do about some things. It usually happens a little closer to adulthood, but because there was a very real chance that Max could have died, the realization of just how stupid she had been kicked in a lot sooner. As for the TJ thing, this troper has no idea.

What was he supposed to do?
In the episode Daddy's Little Girl (I think that's what it's called ) everyone gets mad at Justin because he beat up Maxine. But she was beating him up and they were in a karate class where they were supposed to be fighting each other. What the heck were they expecting him to do? Just sit there and let her beat the crap out of him?
  • It's even worse, as a) The instructor practically forced Harper, Justin and Alex to participate, even when they weren't students', and didn't know if they could fight, or had violent tendencies. And b) Max had already trashed the floor with poor Harper, and had already beaten Justin to a pulp before. True, it would have been cooler if they had done the scene with Harper kicking Maxine's ass, but then they wouldn't have been able to do the sexist joke.

Why does everything keep changing?
Why do the wizard powers keep changing? In the report card episode Alex gets them sucked out of her and they look like a ball of technicolor light (if I remember correctly ). In the episode with them retaking the test, the powers are in a control panel and are three glowing cylinders. In the episode with Stevie, we don't see them but they're transferred with a machine that isn't needed to take them in the other episodes. In the movie it's a ball of light that looks like the sun and it's transferred by touching it. Also that the competition seems to move from a test, a battle, and something involving levels. Can we get a little consistency?

Wizarding Laws
Besides having to keep magic a secret and not using it for fame or fortune, are there any other rules as to how magic can be used? It seems that wizards have a lot of freedom with their powers. For example, they're allowed to create monsters (Frankie), bring objects to life and let them loose into the world (Calico Woman),mess with time, create alternate universes, and charm people (TJ's parents).

A lot of the things they do could cause some serious problems, possibly even exposing magic, yet there are no rules against it.

  • I don't think TJ's actions were legal. Even so, the legal system, and the wizarding world as a whole is screwed up. You could fill up this page with examples of when the wizarding government is useless or even malignant.
  • The TJ thing seems to fall under the same idea of Harper and Zeke knowing about magic: no one has reported it. Also, why do the monsters follow wizarding laws? If I was one of the magical creatures, I'd want to be governed by my own race. Or have a representative at the least.

Why does she want the stone?
In the movie the bird girl (Gazelle or something) refuses to give the stone of dreams to the mom. Why? She already had her wish, the mom wasn't going to wish anything against her, and the kids didn't know she did anything illegal (was what she did ever mentioned?). Even if they did know, after the experience they had just went through I doubt they'd care/remember.
  • Because she was a bitch, and probably too greedy for her own good. She already manipulated Archie the magician, berating him even as a bird and promising they'd wind up together in order to use him while having nothing but disdain for him; this was established right there in the movie. It's not too unlikely to believe she just wants the Stone in order to use it to her advantage since she already has it. Also, her name was Giselle.
    • But she already made her wish and you only get one.
      • She can sell wishes to dumb wizards/muggles, or she can pay for people to hold the rock and say "I wish Giselle was the most prettiful girl on earth!" even if she already used up her wish, there is no reason to get rid of the rock, specially if you're particularly greedy. Or a bitch.
      • She wanted the Russo children to be Ret-Gone. She's a criminal who was sentenced to be a bird for fifty years. Keeping the stone would erase the only three witnesses, and leave her accomplice an easily disposed of Muggle. She uses this argument (well, without the part about betraying her accomplice) before they even get to the canyon, which is why they stole the stone when Alex and Justin found it.
      • I went through that. They didn't know she was a criminal (in fact if I remember correctly Archie told them an evil wizard turned her into a bird), all they know she that she took the stone from them, which doesn't seem like the kind of thing they can/would report her for.
      • For some reason, I got the impression that the stone was the only thing keeping her human. Didn't she start turning back shortly after it was taken from her?
      • She started turning back because it was Archie's wish.

Using magic for money.
So there's a strict law against using magic for fame and fortune, but there's a spell to duplicate money?
  • Why would someone make a law that was impossible to break?

Why does she care?
Why is Alex so worried about getting suspended in the episode with the Happy Helpers? She seems like that kind of person who'd think "A few days off school for behaving badly? Sounds awesome!". Plus she seems to already have a record at school so it's not like she's worried it'll look bad or anything.
  • She’s probably worried about her parents’ reaction if she came home and told them. Suspension certainly wasn’t a vacation for this troper...

A 30 dollar bill?
In the episode with Alex's T-shirts she says she doesn't have change and the guy she's talking to would have to buy two extra shirts. She also says that her shirts are ten dollars. So the guy would have needed to give her a thirty dollar bill, which I'm pretty sure doesn't exist.
  • Maybe he was buying 3 shirts and gave her a 50 dollar bill, which she didn't have change for and thus told him to buy 2 more shirts.

The Asteroid Belt
In the episode where Alex transforms their shop into the Asteroid Belt for Jerry's birthday, a lot of things didn't make sense to me. When the aliens attack, they all run around going "Oh no, we're being attacked! We have to do something!", ignoring the fact that three of them are wizards and could either try to defend themselves against the attack or just give the milkshake machine to the aliens and conjure up a new one. Did they suddenly forget they had magic or something? Why was Justin being such a tool throughout the episode? Sure, Alex had made a cooler present for her dad and he was jealous, but Justin seems to care about his dad and he should have noticed how happy Jerry was, the constant complaining seemed out of character for him. And lastly, Alex was upset with the restaurant doing so well and being so amazingly popular? Ok, she's lazy, we get it, but she's willing to remove the thing that made the store so popular and leave them scraping by instead of making a lot of money? You'd figure that Alex would like more money.

The episode where he states he punishes Alex, and only Alex, for being the only student he feels is an "Evil Genius", and pretty much giving a hug to any other student doing anything else.

  • Are you talking about Laritate? Because I think there's a heading (and possibly part of the headscratcher itself) missing. If so, he doesn't "pretty much give a hug to any other student doing anything else". He would leniently punish Harper and give her a hug to make her feel better because she's actually a good person and it was an emergency or she didn't mean it or honestly just didn't know better. He would half-heartedly punish Sal because there wouldn't be much of an effect. Alex (and probably a few other students, but especially the clever, deviant, redeemable Alex) are simply in the Goldilocks zone of high punishment, between "doesn't deserve much punishment" and "punishment is a waste of time". It's an awful, awful thing for him to do, and would get him fired in any school system with a decent supervisor, but there's not really anything inconsistent about it.

How did Juliet... return from being an old lady?

There was no explanation for it at the time of this writing, although it could be Hand Waved that Gorog is a powerful Angel of Darkness and has the ability to do such a thing, but so far there has been no real explanation aside from wanting her to be Back for the Finale.

And now that the show is over, there's still no explanation. No Hand Wave or anything, she's just Back for the Finale. She's pretty much there to show the viewers that she's still alive and back to her teenage appearance, cheering Justin on. But again, how?

  • A Wizard Did It.
    • I don't think its that much of a hand wave considering A: She actually states Gorog brought her back, B: By this point he's already turned Justin into an angel, stripped Mason of his werewolf powers, and offered to give them back enhanced, in exchange for servitude, restoring a vampire's powers hardly seems impossible for him to accomplish C: considering his highly intelligent and manipulative personality, is making certain he had an ace in hole to deal with one of the greatest threats to his plans that out of character? D: Considering all he's been able to do so far, is it really that unreasonable he would be able to track down one single powerless vampire? Basically it all makes sense, you just have to pay attention to his character a little closer.

In Wizards Vs. Asteroid...
Why are The Russos the only wizards trying to stop the asteroid? Everyone else just decided to flee into the wizard world, leaving behind billions of people to be killed.
  • The Russos are the main characters, so the whole plot has to center around them.
Another thing: Harper and Zeke. Don't they have families? They're ready to just leave with the Russos, and their parents or sibling aren't even mentioned. Do they hate them that much that they can't even say goodbye?

What are the ramifications of what happened during The Movie?
In the movie, Jerry got back the powers he gave up to be with Theresa, but does that mean Kelbo lost those same powers? What if he was being Shakira? Did he randomly turn back into Kelbo during a contest? Or did Shakira never exist at all? Did all of the magic he ever did after his generation's Wizard Competition just undo itself? And, for that matter, what about all the stuff Justin, Alex and Max fixed/screwed up during their lifetimes? Did that stuff not happen? Is T.J Taylor still controlling his parents with kugel? Does Future Harper's book series not exist? And why were both Theresa and Jerry at the same resort at the same time if they never met?
  • Presumably, during the events of the movie, history was rearranging itself by first eliminating the most outstanding elements of the changing, that is, the russo kids. If it had succeeded in doing that, everything would have runned as if Teresa and Jerry wouldn't have meet, so no Shakira, no Russo kids, and Jerry and Teresa would have been elsewhere. Since Alex repaired history, nothing changed and everything is as it was.

Wizards aging normally
How come Rudy Tootie is several thousand years old but looks like he could still be in his 40s, but all the other wizards look their age?
  • Have we ever seen another wizard who was confirmed to have an age higher than a normal life span? Besides Crums, who still looks younger than his real age even if he does look old.
    • Not to my knowledge. However, Rudy looks about the same age as Jerry even though Jerry really is middle-aged, and Crums does look considerably older than is possible for a normal human.

Why is it always Alex's fault?
The best example I can think of to demonstrate my point is the episode with the retest. Megan refuses to cooperate, Megan refuses to take the retest, Megan rebuffs Theresa's earnest pleas as much as she did Justin, and Alex's. Yet in the end Justin and Max throw all their bile at Alex blaming her "winging it" like she willed the event to happen, or sabotaged their efforts when she was trying just as hard as them. In the end her brothers don't point their anger at Megan, or the system that's tearing them apart, and only reconcile after Alex's apologizes. The finale contains this to, they all lost because she 'talked' them into going to save their friends from a Gryphon, and is again treated like the unequivocal villain, without the guys ever expressing even the smallest bit of elation that their last act with magic was saving two people's lives.
  • It's mainly Justin who blames Alex and Max who just jumps along. Justin puts the competition first and friends and family second. What was his reaction to Zeke getting taken away to be eaten? "Oh forget about him, he's dead." This is probably why him giving Alex the win at the end of the competition was treated like such a huge Character Development moment.
  • They blame Alex in "Retest" because she got Megan to come with them to the Sub Shop by lying to her that Jerry and Kelbo wanted to apologize to her, and Megan left and refused to retake the test after that lie fell apart, and they had told Alex that plan was a bad one.

Worst Crime?
In the Season 3 Finale, Justin said that exposing wizards to the world is the worst crime anyone can commit? So...does that mean that in The Wizard World, exposing wizards is worse than for example...Murdering someone!
  • Yes? If he's not being hyperbolic, it could be justified by the fact that exposing wizards to the world would lead to a lot of wizards being vivisected and/or dissected as well as quite plausibly leading up to a war between the wizard world and the mundane world. Similarly, and for similar reasons, treason and high treason have been (and in some places, still are) considered worse than murdering someone of the same caste.

Wizard Lair location
Have they ever explained why the lair is entered via the same door as the freezer in the sub shop? They appear to have plenty of available doors in the apartments (which would be more convenient than the freezer except during the sub shop's busiest hours, when Jerry doesn't have time to deal with magic lessons). If it's a problem with the wizard world door or the lair itself being too convenient (like people in Larry Niven's stories keeping unlocked teleporter booths inside their apartments until they noticed that it led to getting robbed all the time, or if Alex and Max could sneak in more easily the instant they learn an unlocking spell or spell improvisation), the basement is available. If it's about being able to keep an eye on things while the sub shop is open, so things don't sneak through... seriously, their security sucks anyway, but stuff isn't supposed to get through that easily (except when Alex leaves the wizard world door open). I kind of feel like it might be something about keeping food fresh cheaply, but I don't know if that's a hazy memory or just an assumption based on Jerry's personality.

Alex forgetting spells
In the final episode of the main series when they are having the competition, Alex gives the incorrect answer that 'Cashmerus Appearus' makes cash appear. How did she suddenly forget it's actual purpose since she used that exact spell accurately a couple of seasons earlier?
  • She forgot, or plot stupidity?
  • Rule of Funny
    • The "Rule of Funny" defense kind of falls apart when you recognize that Alex isn't The Ditz, so she shouldn't even have this problem in the first place.

Who gets the family wizard stuff?
In some episodes and the movie, three of the things that the Family Wizard inherits are shown: The Family Wand and the Forbidden Book of Spells from the movie, and the Family Wizard Robe from the Season 4 episode "Lucky Charmed". While these may not be all of them, the question is, since Justin won the Family Wizard Competition, but gave the win to Alex since she would have won if she hadn't stopped to help him, then Justin gets full powers after Professor Crumbs makes him the new Headmaster of Wiztech, who gets to keep the family wizard's heirlooms?
  • Alex does, since she won the actual competition. Justin is the headmaster, which is completely different from family wizard.
  • Then why is she not using any of it?In Alex vs Alex, she's still using her old wand, and none of the Family Wizard stuff. Either it's bad writing, she's sentimental,( I wouldn't believe that), or Justin got the stuff.
  • I can offer up an explanation for two of the heirlooms: Considering the disaster that nearly happened to the family the last time Alex handled the Family Wand and the Book of Forbidden Spells, it'd be understandable if she was a little gun-shy about handling them again. Perhaps she is keeping them somewhere safe for emergencies. As for the Robe, maybe she just doesn't want to wear it in public? (They are in Italy during "Alex vs. Alex", after all. There are Muggles around.)
Why didn't Justin just make a hole in the area where there wasn't any plastic, in the wall? Or magic up Juliet an umbrella? Or change the headscratcher format on this page out of WMG format?
  • I'll do that last one if there's a spell for it.

Jerry's "secret" of having won the wizard competition

Did none of the kids find it strange that they had powers, even though their dad didn't? Or is it standard in the wizarding world for even the children of the losers to have powers?

  • Seems to be standard. In the Alex vs. Alex special, we learn that every family means every family unit, so if Kelbo and/or Megan had children on their own, they would also have powers.

The Transferring of powers, and the change in the competition

Why in the episode with Stevie is there a transferring powers ball, but they don't use it in the actual wizard competition? Also, why was the wizard competition so different from the wizard competition in the movie?

  • Writing? Retcon? Every time we are show the competition is a different way. Either each family gets a different competition or the competition itself is random every time is used, so the families can't cheat.

The Ability to create your own spells

In the episode where Alex and Justin get trapped in the horror movie it was said that wizards have the ability to create their own spell if they are in a emergency situation. Why did they never do this after this episode? Alex, Justin and Max were ALWAYS getting in some sort of trouble with magic and the ability to create your own spell could really come in handy when it came to fixing their magical problems in a snap.

  • They do use them every now and then, but they're just as likely to just wave their wands and get the results.

The Ending

  • Getting stuck working a shitty restaurant for the rest of your life while your siblings zoom off to a magical, exciting future is a happy ending in what way? Seriously, the ending of the series was really frustrating, because why on Earth would ANYONE be satisfied with essentially being stuck as a loser for the rest of their life?
    • First of all, it's Max, so his priorities may not be all there. Also, the only reason the sub shop is "a shitty restaurant" seems to be that Jerry isn't very good at running it, whereas Max opens up a wizard world version in "My Two Harpers" and is highly successful until Jerry and Justin muck it up. For all we know, Max will actually be good at this and make the sub shop successful. It's not being a full wizard, granted, but owning a successful restaurant is nothing to sneeze at.

Do the only child keep their powers as adults?

I have been a watcher for nine years and just realized do the wizards who have no siblings still keep their powers? Wizards such as TJ and Hugh Normous seem to keep their powers because they have no one to compete in their family wizard competition. It was never explained in the show.

Are the Russos religious?
In one episode (the one where the Russos went to court for exposing magic), Theresa mentions that she saved Jerry a corn dog to shut him up at church. Does this mean that the Russos are religious? This is strange, since many religions forbid witchcraft. Unless they're part of some pagan religion.

Wizards and Divorce
How does the family wizard competition work with half-siblings? If two wizards get married, and have three kids, then they get divorced, and the father and his new wife have a child, does that child compete against their half-siblings? What happens if the mother also has another child? Do they have to pick and choose? Also what happens if wizards have kids late in life after the Wizard Competition has finished? Do the kids just never experience powers at all?

Wrong word
  • In “Taxi Dance,” when talking about a gurney, Max says, “There were giving this away, and they took it.” Shouldn’t he have said, “They were giving this away and I took it.” ?