To-do list:
- Merge Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic into UsefulNotes.Furry Fandom.
OP credits go to Amathieu 13
In terms of these two indices on their own, there isn't much of a difference between comic/webcomic and neither page is all that long to begin with, so I'm not sure why they are separated into two anyways. At a minimum, these two should be merged.
But if you consider the outcome of such a merge—Furry Works, essentially—it makes it clear that this would then be a duplicate with Popular with Furries. A likely counter argument is that "Popular with Furries includes works that weren't intended to be popular with furries but just are, often because they use World of Funny Animals, in addition to works explicitly created for furries. These indices are for works intentionally made for furries." But two things:
- differentiating between "what's intended" and "what's not" is hard without Word of God. In lieu of that requirement, people are seemingly using whether or not the work is set in a World of Funny Animals as a proxy to determine whether the work is in the furry "genre" or not. And because of that...
- in practice both Furry Comic and Furry Webcomics include works that aren't explicitly claimed to be created for furries, something that has been brought up at least once before on the Furry Webcomics discussion page [1]
, making the argument that intentional/unintentional is a meaningful difference moot.
To this second point, Fritz the Cat, The Adventures of Captain Jack, and Geronimo Stilton are all listed on Furry Comic.
- On Fritz the Cat's page, it's noted that it is considered a predecessor of the Furry Fandom, but that doesn't mean it was intentionally made to be a part of it; in fact, since the fandom didn't even exist, you could argue that it's impossible for it to have been.
- Nothing on Captain Jack's page even mentions being for furries and the only thing that seems to justify its inclusion is the anthropomorphic animal leads, similar to many Tex Avery MGM Cartoons which is likely part of its inspo since it also makes use of Slapstick.
- And Geronimo Stilton, being a children's series, almost certainly wasn't made for furries.
I'd personally label all 3 as misuse. But how we determine what qualifies as part of a "furry genre" and whether that's redundant with World of Funny Animals and Popular with Furries is exactly the issue. Way I see it, either these indices are just collections of comics and webcomics set in World of Funny Animals without having been intended to be furry works by the creator (which if then they should just be on that page) or these are works that are considered Popular with Furries because they are set in World of Funny Animals and/or have anthropomorphised animals in prominent roles, so they should be merged there.
Recommendation: If people disagree with my read on things re: in practice, these two aren't different from Popular with Furries or World of Funny Animals despite what they say, then I guess, we can just merge the two together. But if people agree
- Option 1: Cut both and move examples over to either Popular with Furries or World of Funny Animals
- Option 2: redirect both to one of the two.
- Option 3: Turn one of the pages into a disambig and redirect the other to it.
Personally prefer 1 over all, but any of the bottom 3 solutions are ok with me. As for which trope to move examples to if we cut or redirected, I'd rather it be to World of Funny Animals, since I actually don't get the tropeworthiness of Popular with Furries—is there any other niche community that we have an entire YMMV page dedicated to works that may appeal to them? That said, that's a critique for a separate thread. Either would be fine.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2023 at 5:34:39 AM
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Bumped the ATT bulletin and edited it to account for a new option being added.
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Calling in favor of merging Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic onto UsefulNotes.Furry Fandom.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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Redirects are now in place.
- Comic wicks
- Webcomic wicks, which includes the singular redirect (not moved yet).
Both are below 200, so it should be relatively quick.
Edited by Berrenta on Jul 18th 2023 at 8:44:01 AM
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The option was to merge, not to redirect.
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What would be the difference in this case? I don't see a problem with what she did.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2023 at 9:34:28 AM
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Merge may have implied moving the work lists and parts of the definition if necessary.
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There's not much to move over, if any, that was necessary.
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The merge option as was discussed was to append to the bottom of Furry Fandom a list of works on the site that are intentionally and explicitly written for a furry audience, moving any works like that over from what was listed on Furry Comic and Furry Webcomic. That's going to be harder to do now that the pages have essentially been wiped and you can't easily click the links on the indexes to go to the work pages to verify their content.
Edited by amathieu13 on Jul 18th 2023 at 12:45:46 PM
Copied the former page contents into sandboxes for example sorting:
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Shame I'm late to the thread already to add something, but this was the TLP that Fernando was referring to. I had proposed it as a giant list regarding works made made by and/or catered to the Furry Fandom, but it got stalled because of how great a scope would it be regarding what is considred a Furry Work, and because there is some moratorium regarding new indexes or something.
Edited by alnair20aug93 on Jul 19th 2023 at 10:36:19 PM
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That solves it. Just create the index at the bottom of the Furry Fandom page and move all explicitly furry works there.
Edited by Snicka on Jul 20th 2023 at 11:50:23 AM
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Nope, that wasn't the one.
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What was it?
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Wick-wise, Furry Webcomics is done.
That leaves us with Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic.
Edit: In the meantime, we should also see about listing other furry-centric media aside from comics, and labeling each section as such. Otherwise, the example list would be pretty awkward.
Edited by Berrenta on Jul 22nd 2023 at 8:38:59 AM
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Wick-wise, Furry Comic remains.
As for the example list, I'm open to other options, which includes adding a bit to the main useful note page about how common it is to implement in a comic form and moving the sandbox to a subpage. What's the better option?
Edit: If doing the subpage idea, I propose FurryFandom.Webcomics, but as I said, I'm open to other ideas.
Edited by Berrenta on Jul 22nd 2023 at 3:35:50 AM
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I don't think we should limit it to comics or webcomics. Those are what's going to be on the list because those are the two indices we're removing, but there are bound to be more works for furries (literature, games, web series, etc) that exist / will exist.
Edited by amathieu13 on Jul 22nd 2023 at 5:45:09 AM
Some that I found while checking wicks.
Film — Live-Action
Literature
- The Adventures of Fox Tayle
- Chakona Space
- The Dogs
- The Fangs of K'aath
- Flight of the Godkin Griffin
- A Fox Tail
- Griffin Ranger
- Industrial Zone
- The Journal Entries
- Kayn
- Light Realm
- The Reclamation Project
- The Red Vixen Adventures
- Rock City Chronicles
- Save the Day
- Space Beasts
- Thebe and the Angry Red Eye
- Trinton Chronicles
- Virtus Draconis
- The Wulf Archives
Video Games and Visual Novels
- Adastra (2018)
- Amorous
- Angels with Scaly Wings
- Arches
- Blackgate
- The Duenkhy
- Echo
- Extracurricular Activities
- Far Beyond the World
- Homecoming: Morenatsu Revisited
- Knights College
- Lagoon Lounge
- Major/Minor
- Minotaur Hotel
- Monster Mind
- Morenatsu
- Mungyodance
- Nekojishi
- Password
- The Pirate's Fate
- Shark Attack
- Shelter (2020)
- Tavern of Spear
- Winds Of Change
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:00:42 AM
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Ooooh, a nice start!
Comic Books
- Albedo: Birthright
- Albedo: Erma Felna EDF
- Bad Rubber
- Circles
- Dog House
- Heathen City
- Katmandu
- Tank Vixens
Comic Strips
Fanfic
Podcasts
Tabletop Games
Web Original (can we use a more specific category?)
Edited by FernandoLemon on Jul 22nd 2023 at 11:44:43 AM
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I'd also add these to the Literature category FernandoLemon compiled:
Trimming the hedges, one trope at a time. From that same author, Waterways and The Tower and the Fox.
We can just add these, right?
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Crown Description:
In terms of Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic on their own, there isn't much of a difference between comic/webcomic and neither page is all that long to begin with, so there have been concerns that they're redundant with each other, and there have been concerns that the two are redundant with World Of Funny Animals. What should be done with Furry Webcomic and Furry Comic?.
Like so? (point to new option)