To-do list:
- Since Grumpy Bear is now a disambiguation page, wicks that fit any of the tropes on the disambiguation page should be moved accordingly, and ones that don't should be removed.
Original post:
Grumpy Bear is supposed to be about a cynical character in a Sugar Bowl world but most (like 99%) of the examples are about grumpy characters because of the bad name. The misuse is so bad the only wick I could find that actually matches the description was a Playing With/ page. I think the only way we can fix this is to turn Grumpy Bear into a disambiguation between The Eeyore, Sour Supporter and some other tropes I am forgetting and then yard the original definition if we can't find enough examples to do a transplant. The old TRS thread here
suggested Grumpy Character Saccharine Show as an alt title so we can use that if we decide to rename or yard.
Wick Check
- PlayingWith.Good Is Not Nice: Amazing Girl is a person in an idealistic, bright-colored environment that can come across as being the Grumpy Bear with a cynical attitude towards society.
- Cast Speciation: Under Touhou Project:— Reimu outright believes(pothole) that effort is not rewarded." '''There's nothing in this entry that indicates that Reimu is a cynic in a Sugar Bowl. I am familiar with the work so I already know that she's not an example.
- Children Are Tender-Hearted: "Even Lucy, a Grumpy Bear extreme, occasionally had moments of genuine compassion and kindness." Grumpy character
- Tears of Joy: In a blink-and-you'll-miss moment of one episode of Il Était Une Fois... l'homme, Pierrette kisses the cheek of Le Teigneux (pothole), which causes him to shed a tear of joy.
- Awesome.Drake And Josh: It's not a main character per se, but they get one in "Driver's License". Drake and Josh are assigned to two driving instructors: respectively, a pretty, fun-loving young woman and a cranky, curmudgeon old lady (pothole).
- Blog.Ask King Sombra: Drizzle. She's extremely jaded and cynical, despite being the youngest of the cast. It turns out to be because of the emotional trauma of being kidnapped by the Crystal Wolves for months. She used to be pretty happy pony. This trope is so pronounced that when doing a post were she's genuinely smiling after managing to summon Princess Luna to their aid, one of the tags is "also, it is SO WEIRD DRAWING A SMILING DRIZZLE". Partial Context Example. No mention of an idealistic setting.
- CharacterDerailment.The Simpsons: Moe is also worth a mention. When he first appeared, he was merely a surly and cynical bartender, who was a pretty decent guy despite his rough edges (pothole)
- Characters.Belle 2021 Dragon— An almost literal example. He has the looks and sour disposition.
- Characters.The Dark Crystal Skeksis:The Garthim-Master—He always looks grumpy. The closest he has to a "happy" expression on his face comes after drinking Podling essence, and it doesn't last very long.
- Characters.Dear S: Ikuhara Takeya—Heading into Grumpy Bear territory. He's very gloomy and greets just about everything with a scowl.
- Characters.Four Knights Of The Apocalypse: Lancelot— Scenes where he is not irritated about anything are quite rare, moreso as he grows up and stops hiding his feelings.
- Characters.Kid Time Storytime: Maleficent— She's pretty negative while most of the others are positive.
- Characters.Have A Nice Death: Death—His company is falling apart, his underlings are in full rebellion, the average work day has him getting beaten up by nearly everyone he crosses paths with, and his coffee machine is nearly empty. It's hard to blame Death for being a grouch during the events of the game, but the intro suggests he was always kind of a styx in the mud.
- Characters.The Magic Roundabout: Dougal— Or in this case, Grumpy Dog. Dougal can usually come across as being smart-mouthed, irritable and gruff around anyone.
- Characters.Overman King Gainer: Gainer is quite skeptical whether going into Exodus is really a good idea.
- Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog Modern Era Antagonists 1: Despite Storm being pretty rude, it's clear that he defaults to being the nice one of the Babylon Rogues due to him being the most sympathetic one in the trio, whereas Jet is the mean one due to him being a trademark immature(pothole) Jerkass. Wave sticks to the middle, being the in-between one, combining her snobbish personality and her sanity.
- Characters.Yona Of The Dawn:General Han Ju-Do—Geun-Tae teases him about it, telling him this is the reason he doesn't get a woman. Word of God stated that he was in love with a woman before.
- Fanfic.The Lorelei Chronicles: Under Covered in Gunge: Lorelei douses the twelfth Doctor in chocolate sauce in an attempt to help him ease up and stop overworking himself. She expects it to work because his past incarnations always laughed at her pranks, but this is TWELVE we're talking about.
- Funny.Star Wars Rebels: One of the scientists is so thankful for his rescue that he praises Chopper(pothole) as a "very kind droid". Chopper is downright insulted.
- Heartwarming.Epic Rap Battles Of History: Pablo Picasso, portrayed as a Grumpy Bear, lightens up when he mentions his pet dog, Lump.
- JustForFun.Lousy Alternate Titles: Grumpy Bear isn't called The Grouch because it would associate too much with a certain character living in a trash can or, more confusingly, someone who stole Christmas.
- LightNovel.The Rising Of The Shield Hero: From left to right: Raphtalia, Naofumi(pothole), and Filo.]]
- Literature.Starting Over: The MC becomes this at a few points, most notably around Christmas, when everyone else is happy and spending time with loved ones, while he's lonely and miserable about his failed life.
- Recap.Battle For Dream Island S 1 E 1 Take The Plunge: Snowball, unlike later episodes, isn't portrayed as the straight up jerk that he is known as, and much more like a Grumpy Bear.
- More Than Meets The Eye S 1 E 7 Rule Of Disengagement: Blanc (pothole)won't do it with outsiders.
- Series.Zondag Met Lubach: In a segment on politician Geert Wilders, Lubach shows a series of clips where Wilders describes his disgust or disapproval of a wide range of things, causing Lubach to wonder if Wilders simply hates everything. (pothole)
- SliceOfLife.Anime And Manga: My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU: Slice of life of a cynical pessimist in High School.
- Webcomic.Blood Stain: It's implied that Dr. Stein's personality has developed into one from the endless hours he puts into his days and from the frustration of working with his former lab assistants.
- Webcomic.Sakana:In contrast to his more laid back coworkers, nothing but his cat (and maybe Jiro being devastated...) seems to make Yuudai's day brighter.
- WesternAnimation.All Hail King Julien: Hector, a lemur who hates everybody.
- WesternAnimation.Green Eggs And Ham 2019: Guy. Though between his crushed dreams and the constant string of bad luck he endures at every turn, you can't blame him.
- WesternAnimation.Jingaroo: Jabiru is a skeptic by nature who sees the glass as half-empty, but the others appreciate him for who he is and he treasures his friends deep down.
- WesternAnimation.Molly Of Denali: Aunt Merna is grouchy and harsh compared to the rest of the cast, who are lively and cheerful. She's even uncomfortable when Molly (her own niece) gives her a hug.
- YMMV.Quidditch Through The Ages: "Then there's the Marsh Witch's diary, which consists entirely of Tuesdays."
- Anime.Ponyo On The Cliff By The Sea: Fujimoto, who (understandably) cannot get past the pollution thing enough to be optimistic about anything where humans are involved. I think this is a partial example because the example doesn't mention how his attitude clashes with the setting (having seen the move, I think this miight be a valid example).
- Characters.Care Bears Unlock The Magic: Grumpy Bear—Well, of course.
- Characters.Genshiken: Mirei Yajima—Just the trope's name.
- Characters.Harvey Beaks—Dade:Seems to have this attitude to most characters (especially Fee and Foo) except Harvey.
- Characters.Have I Got News For You: Ian Hislop—Under Deadpan Snarker: Though unlike Paul and Angus, Ian is more British Stuffiness, Knight in Sour Armor, and Grumpy Bear.
- Characters.Mabel Jones: Professor Carruthers Badger-Badger—Commented out ZCE
- Characters.Mana Khemia Alchemists Of Al Revis: Flay Gunnar— His Mana
- Characters.Model Ronpa
- Hisoka Fukada: No money? No service, no niceties.
- Preston Ng: Just the trope's name
- Characters.Shuriken School: Vlad—Just the trope's name
- Characters.Yu Gi Oh GX Manga: Jun Manjoume—Still busy being this, though on better terms with the others than in the anime.
- DarthWiki.Celestial Guard: Meet Sadako Miyazaki.(pothole) She is a cynical 3rd year middle school student, who is known around the school for being the top student in her class and part of the archery team.
- Eagleland.Anime And Manga: Besides the aforementioned Leonard Apollo, Americans were portrayed rather variously here in Eyeshield 21, from nice people like Patrick "Panther" Spencer, Homer Fitzgerald, Leonard Apollo(pothole), to people like Donald Oberman.
- TheEeyore.Literature: Eeyore, obviously, from Winnie the Pooh. Though he's also The Woobie for his target audience. The original book Eeyore was a very different character (pothole) from the toned-down Disney version though perhaps more similar to an actual donkey: sarcastic, rude, occasionally arrogant, but also somewhat intelligent.
- Literature.The Bridge On The Drina: Alihodja Commented out ZCE
- Literature.Everythings Better With Elves:The girl with improbably long hair. Commented out ZCE
- Literature.Intertwined II The Lost Spirits:Winston is described as such by the core group.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 5th 2022 at 12:34:55 PM
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Since there are so few correct examples, I think we can yard Grumpy Character Saccharine Show and disambiguate Grumpy Bear.
Also, I'm assuming you're morguing the dupe?
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jun 29th 2022 at 11:18:52 AM
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I agree with disambiguating Grumpy Bear and Yarding the original meaning, since, as mentioned, there aren't enough correct examples for this to thrive if we cut misuse.
I think we can leave the name up to TLP if we Yard it instead of running a name crowner, and just focus on disambiguating this page if that's what we end up doing.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 29th 2022 at 10:29:22 AM
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I don't think I've ever seen this one used according to the current definition. Agree with creating a new trope for Grumpy Character Saccharine Show.
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Though I do like the current name, we'll definitely need to change it, part of me wants to go for a pun like Sour Character Sugar Bowl because they're both flavors and personality styles.
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I agree that this needs a new name, but if we're sending this back to TLP due to the wick check only finding one correct example out of 50, I think the name should be something for TLP to decide. We can always put a name suggestion on its Salvage Yard listing.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Ah, good point.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
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Disambig for now, plus The Cynic and Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!. I think the four tropes would cover everything.
Not confident in making a new trope without that many valid examples at hand, so it's something that can be thrown into yard unless someone wants to TLP it.
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on disambiguation.
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Ufff... that few good examples? Disambig, Yard, Make a sandbox for the valid ones (probabily somewhere between 10-40, enough to give a head start to a TLP)
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Should we run a crowner? It's been 3 days.
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The ATT announcement you made has the wrong thread link.
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Calling thread in favor of turning Grumpy Bear into a disambiguation for between Sour Supporter, The Cynic, The Eeyore and Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids! and yarding the original definition.
Macron's notes
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I disambiguated the page, cut the subpages, and deleted the video examples.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Anyone mind if I draft a new trope for the original definition? I'm thinking "Narrow-Eyed Cynic" for the name, but I'm willing to listen to other suggestions.
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Go ahead. We were originally planning to send it to the Trope Idea Salvage Yard instead of completely removing the concept from the site, but if you're willing to skip Yarding and take it straight to TLP, that saves us the time of waiting for a sponsor.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 6th 2022 at 7:23:19 AM
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Working on the draft right now. Would it be okay if I took bits from the old description?
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That's fine. You can salvage whatever you find useful for the TLP.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 7th 2022 at 1:33:02 PM
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Alright, I got the draft started. If you have any feedback, feel free to share.
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Since this thread is on the bottom of the list, I'll make this my next wick cleaning project. I am going to work on knocking out 100 wicks a day until it's done.
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Waffle Cat (she/her)
I'll try to help with the works I'm familiar with. Also, commenting this to bump it and bring more attention to this thread.
Edit: Can we add The Killjoy to the disambiguation page, please? I was cleaning some examples and realized some of them fit The Killjoy quite well since they described grumpy/hard-to-please characters who ruin other people's fun.
Edited by Asterlix on Sep 22nd 2022 at 6:23:37 AM
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I did some work on the main section of wicks. Down 1635. I am too tired to do any more today and I have workin the morning...but hope to get back to this tomorrow night.
As for , Feel free to add any trope that fits the the wicks are being used.
Edited by MacronNotes on Sep 22nd 2022 at 11:32:49 AM
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Meanwhile, I'm gonna knuckle down and try to finish the TLP. Hopefully, it'll be launched by next weekend.
Though seeing some of the responses to the TLP has made me wonder if we might be missing another trope. Should I bring it up here, or would it be better to bring it up somewhere else?
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It's best to go to the Trope Sounding Board for that. TRS isn't the place to discuss potential trope ideas in depth.
Crown Description:
Grumpy Bear has been misused over the years for any grumpy character even though the trope's definition is "cynical character who's in a saccharine show". How should we fix this problem?
To-do list:
Original post:
Grumpy Bear is supposed to be about a cynical character in a Sugar Bowl world but most (like 99%) of the examples are about grumpy characters because of the bad name. The misuse is so bad the only wick I could find that actually matches the description was a Playing With/ page. I think the only way we can fix this is to turn Grumpy Bear into a disambiguation between The Eeyore, Sour Supporter and some other tropes I am forgetting and then yard the original definition if we can't find enough examples to do a transplant. The old TRS thread hereWick Check
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 5th 2022 at 12:34:55 PM
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