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Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

This entry added in Trails Series Rean Schwarzer and I don't know if they are wordy enough to be considered text walls so I'm asking for confirmation.

• Heroic Self-Deprecation: Deconstructed. Rean's extremely low opinion of himself tends to annoy the people around him more than anything else. In chapter 1 of Cold Steel I, he bluntly tells Laura that, when it comes to swordplay, he's a "drop-out who's never been able to move pass beginner level", much to Laura's dismay as she dislikes people who make light of their own abilities and can tell that Rean's capable of a lot more than he's convinced himself, something he proves beyond doubt in that very same chapter. Later, in chapter 4, he devastates Elise with the revelation that he's essentially going to disown himself from the Schwarzers out of a belief he's got a lot of grief for them (which isn't entirely wrong, but nevertheless isn't Rean's fault by any means), with Elise all but outright stating that he's been doing this kind of thing for as long as she can remember. At one point, he even goes so far as to say he doesn't have the right to be treated kindly. He works on this flaw considerably as the games progress, but it nevertheless remains a subtle part of his character.

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Oct 27th 2023 at 12:20:54 AM

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This is on The Black Stork:

Values Dissonance: The film features eugenicist Dr. Harry Haiselden playing a fictionalized version of himself. The film has a pro-eugenics message with Haiselden's character portrayed as doing the right thing for allowing a "defective" newborn baby to die (this was based on something Haiselden actually did, by the way). The movie's tagline was, "Kill defectives, save the nation and see The Black Stork." The National Board of Review of Motion Pictures had almost banned the film for being too graphic, and had some of the most lurid images, along with references to God, taken out. Depicting an infant being left to die as good, however, was allowed. Both famed defense lawyer Clarence Darrow and Helen Keller (herself often deemed "defective" over being deaf and mute) defended the idea (Darrow though later turned anti-eugenics at least, while Keller did not seem concerned by the fact that, under this standard, she could have been allowed to die as well after becoming disabled). Some of the title cards read like Nazi propaganda, with some characters preaching the importance of race betterment and lamenting the expense of defectives' care. Not at all coincidentally, the film went out of circulation just as word of the Nazis' atrocities was starting to reach America. This similarity is not a coincidence: Nazis took many ideas from the American and British eugenicists. For instance, the model eugenics law Harry Loughlin wrote inspired the "Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring" Hitler issued, which legalized involuntary sterilization of all disabled and mentally ill people under rulings by special "Health Courts". Loughlin even got an honorary degree from a German university in 1935 for his work on the "science" of "racial cleansing". They used the same reasoning for their own "euthanasia" program, Aktion T4.

I'm not going to argue that the film's views aren't horrifying, but does the example need to be this long?

Sorry if it's fine.

I'd say that everything through the "Leaving an infant to die depicted as good" bit could be left, since that seems an effective enough description of the values that wouldn't resonate today. Everything after that feels like natter.

There's a really lengthy Rule of Symbolism section on Psycho. A lot of the text there feels like speculation or analysis that could go elsewhere.

Is it okay if I shorten this entry on FandomRivalry.Live Action TV?

• Jeopardy! versus Wheel of Fortune. Both shows were created by the same person, are made by the same production team, and air one before the other in most markets (the order varies, but most see Jeopardy! before Wheel), but that doesn't mean everybody loves to watch both shows. Even though they're arguably one of TV's most popular program pairs, the games themselves play out quite differently. Jeopardy! is more about general knowledge and trivia while Wheel is more of a luck-based word game. The differences between the two shows, and the fact that they typically air one right after the other, link to many different views on one show in comparison to the other, as well as various jokes about the difference between them, to the point where Wheel is commonly dubbed "Jeopardy! for dumb people". While Wheel is far from the only game show that isn't focused on trivia, it's pretty much the only one that gets flak due to its pairing with Jeopardy! leading to constant comparisons in the latter's favor.
  • The consensus from both sides is not unlike that of the Friends/Seinfeld rivalry. Wheel fans generally enjoy Jeopardy! or at least respect the show. For Jeopardy!, while many fans do like Wheel, there is a significant portion of the fandom that despises the show to the point where they wish it would be cancelled and replaced with another run of Jeopardy!. Most distaste for Jeopardy! from Wheel fans is not so much for the show itself, but for having to constantly be reminded that Jeopardy! is now the more popular and more lauded of the pair. Wheel fans who don't watch Jeopardy! are more likely to explain that trivia is just not their thing, rather than outright hating the show. Conversely, a Jeopardy! fan's explanation for not watching Wheel will more likely be that they can't stand it.
  • The rivalry can be traced to NBC's decision to replace a cancelled Jeopardy! with Wheel on its daytime schedule in 1975. Older fans of the former still won't let them live it down. In 1978, the network did try a revival of Jeopardy!, but it proved unpopular due to several unfavorable rule changes, and it was cancelled after only five months.
  • While Jeopardy! began before Wheel well before the boom of syndicated game shows, Wheel proved an instant success for NBC. After Wheel launched an even more successful syndicated version, Merv Griffin decided to revive Jeopardy! once again and offer the two as a package deal for local stations. Said deal was a major factor in the birth of the "prime access rule", which gave local stations the full 7-8 PM hour for programming local or syndicated shows and resulted in the Big Three networks moving their national evening news programs back from 7:00 PM to 6:30 PM. For the first three decades or so of the shows' syndicated runs, Wheel came out on top in ratings, with Jeopardy! usually a close second. This gradually reversed in the mid-2010's, with Jeopardy! now usually beating Wheel by a small, but slowly-increasing margin. Wheel fans blame this on executive producer Harry Friedman causing the show to "run on autopilot" for much of the 2000's and 2010's, resulting in the show earning a reputation as being stagnant and increasing its reputation as being a "lesser" Jeopardy!. Since the majority of Wheel fans watch Jeopardy! as well, any time Wheel sees a ratings spike, Jeopardy! generally sees one, too, but not vice-versa. Today, Wheel now only beats Jeopardy! if a large amount of breaking news coverage pre-empts most pre-7:00 programming, or during certain rerun periods, since the general public is more likely to recognize Jeopardy! being a rerun than Wheel.
  • Wheel fans in particular have been upset at the difference in treatment of both shows by both its showrunners and the media. This started when Harry Friedman was hired as executive producer of Wheel in 1995 and was brought onto Jeopardy two years later. While Friedman was and still is commended for his work on Jeopardy!, he alienated many fans of Wheel by making numerous unpopular changes. One change that indirectly led to even more feuding was when he reduced appearances on Wheel to one and done while keeping the returning champion rule on Jeopardy! and later removing the five-game limit completely. Jeopardy! has since seen increased ratings whenever a superchamp goes on a lengthy run while Wheel struggles to keep pace around the same time, and Jeopardy! frequently trends on social media as a result. It got to the point where fans believed Sony's budget gets affected by champions breaking the bank on Jeopardy!. During James Holzhauer's reign on Jeopardy! in Spring 2019, Wheel had a Bonus Round record of 1-29 in its last six weeks of the season, included a record 20 losses in a row. Whenever Wheel makes headlines, it's usually clickbait websites about something Pat Sajak said out of context, a judgment call disagreement, or a puzzle with questionable content, while Jeopardy! makes positive headlines for things as small as former contestants getting married.
  • Some Wheel fans have not been keen on the rising imbalance in popularity, especially since the two shows are almost-always marketed as a package deal. This had led to feuds in the Wheel fandom itself over this. Some fans have accepted that Wheel will probably always be less popular than Jeopardy! moving forward (some will even outright admit that they actually prefer Jeopardy! now), but the show is still successful nonetheless. Wheel fans on the other side of this argument are tired of having to feel ashamed for liking Wheel more than Jeopardy! and feel like Jeopardy!'s "superiority" is constantly rubbed in their faces. It has gotten to the point where mainstream media will sometimes outright say that Jeopardy! is the "better" show when running a story about both.
  • Fans noticed that Wheel finally started getting some respect after Friedman retired in 2020 and was replaced with Mike Richards. At the start of the decade, Wheel saw more Emmy nominations (though still failing to win any), more positive publicity (including the show giving away a house a prize), and a Celebrity Edition on ABC for the show's very first primetime spinoff. However, Richards' position was short-lived after the backlash over him allegedly perverting the replacement process to succeed Alex Trebek on Jeopardy!, backlash that Wheel fans feel was only brought on by vocal Jeopardy! fans on social media. It was argued that the situation was a Double Standard and that the ordeal would not have happened if Richards had used such tactics to replace Pat Sajak on Wheel. Richards' firing led to various teased changes for Wheel, including the show's first tournament in over two decades, being dropped (although it did end up happening later on). Jeopardy! fans still believe that the Richards ordeal "almost killed" the show. Wheel fans dispute this, because the show was still earning equal or better ratings than Wheel during and after the ordeal, mostly because a long-running champion named Matt Amodio proved to be a distraction from the controversy at the perfect time. Richards was replaced on Jeopardy! by Michael Davies and on Wheel by Bellamie Blackstone, who has received universal praise in the Wheel fandom. While this has yet to show any effect on the shows' difference in ratings, her improvements to Wheel have resulted in the overall game show community being nicer to the show and treating it less like the Butt-Monkey of game shows.
  • Michael Davies' announcement that Jeopardy! would being having "Second Chance" tournaments was met with yet another instance of Wheel fans raising a Double Standard. The main reason Wheel got rid of returning champions was because the game was too dependent on luck, which Jeopardy! supposedly lacks by comparison. Wheel fans and former contestants have argued that Wheel deserves "second chance" episodes for contestants who barely get to play the game due to bad spins. Other game shows such as The Price Is Right, Press Your Luck, and Let's Make a Deal (all of which also have a fair amount of luck) have had redemption specials, so Jeopardy! seemed like the very last show that would get one. Fortunately, Wheel soon began "Fan Favorites" weeks which brought back former contestants, some of which were infamous for having bad luck.
  • Jeopardy! fans are not keen on the average Wheel winner winning more money than a day's Jeopardy! champion, plus the fact that Wheel's losing contestants get to keep the money and prizes they've won, while Jeopardy!'s automatically receive $3,000 and $2,000 for second and third place, respectively. Pat Sajak even mocked Jeopardy! for the latter in a 1995 episode of Wheel where Jeopardy! announcer Johnny Gilbert filled in. Wheel fans argue that Jeopardy!'s goal is being the returning champion rather than winning money, and since their show doesn't have returning champions, it's only fair that they get a chance to win more money on the one day they have. While one is more likely to win $100,000 on one episode of Wheel, Jeopardy! has seen more six and seven-figure winners overall thanks to its returning champions.
  • Usually, when Wheel has something over Jeopardy! first, Jeopardy! will quickly get an equivalent. After Celebrity Wheel of Fortune proved to be one of ABC's biggest successes of 2021, Celebrity Jeopardy! was greenlit just two seasons later, and almost immediately, the latter was given better time slots than Celebrity Wheel, ensuring higher ratings. However, many Jeopardy! fans don't care for the celebrity spin-off due to the dumbed-down difficulty and commentary from the celebrities, while some Wheel fans consider Celebrity Wheel more entertaining than the regular show.
  • Regardless of order, the "jarring" transition from one show to the other leads to many jokes, mostly at Wheel's expense. A common analogy from Jeopardy! fans is that Wheel is "the appetizer before the main course" in markets where Wheel airs first. In markets where Wheel airs second, the typical joke is that the only people who watch it in that slot are people who are "too lazy to change the channel after Jeopardy! Fans have also joked about having to rush for their remote to change the channel before having to hear Wheel's famous opening title chant.
  • In February 2022, Wheel had three $100,000 winners in a row. The odds of this happening, taking the show's average Bonus Round win rate at the time into account, were roughly 1 in 350,000. This was shortly after a period where Jeopardy! saw heavy publicity and a ratings spike thanks to a long-running champion named Amy Schneider, who received notoriety for being the show's first openly transgender champion, and has since returned to the show multiple times. After news about the wins on Wheel spread, some casual Jeopardy! fans (unaware of the federal laws against rigging game shows) accused Wheel of rigging the wins in an attempt to "steal the spotlight" back from Jeopardy! after Schneider's reign.
  • With both shows airing in first-run syndication, Wheel fans have also accused networks and local stations for prioritizing Jeopardy! on their schedules whenever there are pre-emptions for sporting events, breaking news, or special programming. Many stations have admitted to this, mostly because Jeopardy! has champions, regardless of the circumstances on either show's episode for that day. Outlets usually fix a half-hour pre-emption by airing Wheel in the most dead of hours (or not at all) and airing Jeopardy! at its regular time, or even moving it to Wheel's time slot for that day. On the West Coast, it is common for affiliates to schedule both shows after sporting events that air in primetime on the East Coast, and if said event runs over its time slot (which is almost always the case), the affiliate will run Jeopardy! in its entirety but only show a portion of Wheel or even skip it entirely. In March 2021, the ABC O&O stations in New York and Chicago aired a women-owned small business special in place of Wheel while a Jeopardy! episode emceed by Dr. Oz was unaffected. Fans of both shows did agree that Dr. Oz had no business hosting Jeopardy!, and boycotts of the show had made the rounds in the media well before the pre-emption. In February 2022, during the aforementioned triple $100,000 wins on Wheel, Jeopardy! had no notable events, but this was happening during the Winter Olympics, which air on NBC for a period of over two weeks. Most NBC affiliates still chose not to air Wheel during this time (despite heavy publicity about the wins), but still aired Jeopardy!; most Wheel fans in NBC markets would have to wait until July to see the wins when they aired in reruns. In September 2023, ABC adding Monday Night Football pregame at 7:30 PM (Wheel's most common time slot) on the same day as the premiere of Pat Sajak's final season resulted in viewers missing out on Wheel in top markets like New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Orlando (Jeopardy! was affected in a much smaller number of markets, the largest ones being Washington, DC and Miami). Fans have reported that some markets seem to treat infomercials better than Wheel. Wheel fans are also quick to call out how Jeopardy! fans on social media will express rage in the rare case their show does get pre-empted, usually for immediate news coverage, saying things like, "Couldn't they have done this during Wheel of Fortune?", no matter how serious the matter is. These complaints are far less common in the Wheel fandom since most fans are used to this by now. Unlike Wheel, Jeopardy! does air in the afternoon in some markets (mostly in the Central Time Zone), meaning it often avoids getting pre-empted by evening specials or sports, and most markets air Jeopardy! twice a day (the second airing being a repeat from a few months ago) while Wheel strictly airs once a day in its prime access time slot.
  • The rivalry is almost nonexistent on the shows themselves, since they are sister programs and share many staff in common. Any digs at one show from the other are always tongue-in-cheek, and current executive producers Michael Davies and Bellamie Blackstone show nothing but respect for each other. Blackstone is quick to congratulate Davies whenever Jeopardy! wins an Emmy (even over Wheel), while Davies sent condolences to Blackstone after her husband passed away in May 2023. That same month, ABC aired a Jeopardy!/Wheel crossover in the form of a Celebrity Wheel episode featuring Vanna White playing against Mayim Bialik and Ken Jennings (with Pat Sajak's daughter, Maggie Sajak, filling in for Vanna's usual role). Wheel fans were left humbled when Vanna placed a distant third, but a good time was had by all involved. Overall, the special was well-received by both fandoms, with some Jeopardy! fans remarking that it was a rare time they were actually excited to watch Wheel.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

Yeah, that needs to be reduced a lot.

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This one's just been added to RuPaul's Drag Race UK:

* Transatlantic Equivalent: The British version of the original US series began in late 2019 and assembles queens from across the four Home Nations of the United Kingdom; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Despite initial fears of a simple rehash, the show has garnered a strong following both at home and abroad — mostly due to the difference in British versus American drag. British drag has its roots in more raw, less glamorous venues (pubs, working-men's clubs, etc), and lacks the look-based pageant/ballroom culture of the US drag scene, which lends the UK iteration a tone that is a little grittier, more humour-based, and full of outrageously shocking language. And since there's no big cash prize, the queens are more able to have fun and not outgun each other like their American counterparts. In some ways, the US and UK drag scenes (before drag became more universally mainstream) are relatively antithetical and each other’s Foil. It’s not a universal truth, but historically, in the prominent ball culture and pageantry of the American drag scene, the ‘rich lady’ lifestyle is celebrated and aspired to, with queens, often from (very) humble backgrounds, wanting to be like the rich, Dynasty-style women they portray — see Paris Is Burning for additional insight. However, the British drag scene, especially with classic pub queens, compères and the venerable institution of the pantomime dame in mind, has its origins in making fun of and sending up the affectations, cattiness and airs and graces of the aspirational women of the middle-classes, who would have (certainly in the past) been a higher step up on the British social class ladder than the more humble drag performers (and their appreciative audiences). There's nothing the British love more than poking fun at class distinction and, for the working-class, indulging in a spot of épater la bourgeoisie. Ru has clearly leaned into the British setting in a big way, and along with a newly badged, Queen's Guards themed "Brit-Crew", she has tasked the queens with a multitude of British-themed challenges and main-stage looks: "Day at the Races," "Downton Draggy, "Bond Girl Glamorama", "Wimbled'Hun" and of course, THE (former) Queen herself, Elizabeth II. When Ru quizzes The Vivienne on the subject, she perfectly sums up all of the above, as does show judge Graham Norton.

The Vivienne: "I want to go to the pub on a Sunday, get a pint, and have someone like Baga make me laugh."

Graham: ''"I think what makes the British Drag scene special is how funny it is. It doesn’t just have a sense of humour, it has a sense of humour about itself. I think that’s a real difference that you get watching the other versions. No matter how dramatic or tense it is the British Queens are still having a laugh."'

I think it may need a trim?

I think that example is covered by the time it gets to "...like their American counterparts". Everything from "In some ways, the US and UK drag scenes..." onwards is just analysis. I'd keep the first four sentences and the quote, and scrub the rest.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

We might need to use an AI summarizer for that Great Wall of Wheel vs. Jeopardy Text that puts the Great Wall of China to shame.

By the looks of it, it might not be easy for someone to summarize it quickly.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Nov 4th 2023 at 8:24:22 AM

Kirby is awesome.

I found this on "Anger Is Healthy" Aesop, where the quote is even longer than the entry (which is big in its own right).

I don't watch this, so does anyone know how to cut this down?

• The Nostalgia Critic: In his review of "I'll be Home for Christmas", the Critic is stuck with a character called D-Bag and he's an obnoxious jerk who loves to bring misery to others just to entertain himself. After enduring his actions for the entire episode, the Critic finally snaps when D-Bag tries to figure out why he hasn't gotten angry with him yet. The critic explains that he was always angry with D-Bag but didn't express it because he knew D-Bag would just revel in the attention and not learn anything from it. The critic goes on to further explain that being angry about injustices is important and good as it's the first step to making real change. At the same time, being uncontrollably angry and easily upset will lead to you being manipulated by those who want to exploit you. It should be worth noting that this episode was released in 2016 after Donald Trump had been elected president, the election had divisive reactions from the American population and Doug Walker (who plays the Nostalgia Critic) did not support his presidency.
  Nostalgia Critic: (snaps) BECAUSE IT'S TOO EASY!! (pause) It's the easiest thing in the world to do! Any imbecile can hate! It's lazy!! (pause) You wanna know what takes effort? Being nice. It is so hard to be nice to some people! But what am I supposed to do? Call you a jerk over and over and over, and hope that one day, you'll wake up and go (slaps both sides of his head) "I'M CURED!" Yeah, the first million times didn't work, but the millionth and one, that was the magic number! That's what got through! How likely is that gonna happen?! And don't get me wrong, there's times when we need to be angry. We need to fight. If not, we'd be goose-stepping our way to work right now! But, it should be one of the last options, not always the first, because when you get angry, you don't think straight, and people take advantage of that. And maybe you disagree with me. Okay, fine. You know what? I'll listen. I'll listen to what you have to share. And even though so much of what you say feels wrong, I'll still keep it in my mind that you could possibly be right. Because if I'm not willing to change for you, how am I supposed to expect you to change for me? I want to be patient enough to see more how we're similar rather than fear how we're different. And you know what? It's gonna be hard. It's gonna be so hard, and I'm gonna fail a lot. Hell, I've failed a lot already, but this is the one thing I'm certain the more I do it, the better I can get at it. (sighs) I may be a screw-up, but I'm tired of being lazy. And if you're tired, too... maybe we can work on being screw-ups together.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

How about this (I don't know what to do with the quote but is it really necessary? Can we just axe it?)?

• The Nostalgia Critic: In his review of "I'll be Home for Christmas", the Critic is stuck with D-Bag, an obnoxious jerk who loves to bring misery to others for his entertainment. The Critic finally snaps when D-Bag tries to figure out why he hasn't gotten angry with him yet, but he had been angry. He didn't express it because he knew D-Bag would revel in the attention and not learn anything from it. He then explains that being angry at injustice is important and good as it's the first step to making real change; however, being uncontrollably angry and easily upset will lead to you being manipulated by those who want to exploit you.

CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors

Looks good to me.

I found this monster on SerendipityWritesThePlot.Live Action TV a while ago.

• The Tear Jerker ending to the final episode of Blackadder Goes Forth, in which the main characters go into the attack but are then obscured by a huge explosion before the image fades to a field of poppies, had to be thrown together in post-production. There was limited filming time, and the director had no experience with action scenes, and there was no money for a stunt co-ordinator in the budget. The resulting footage of Blackadder, George, Baldrick and Darling charging through No Man's Land while shells blew up around them looked distinctly underwhelming (they just fell over and lay on the ground looking not very dead), but the explosion effects were also so terrifying for the actors that Rowan Atkinson refused point-blank to do any retakes. The footage was deemed unusable, but while the film editor was cycling through it and trying to figure out what to do, he realized that slowing it down made it far more effective. As a result, they re-edited the footage, slowed it down, dropped the audio out and replaced it with the theme music played as a Lonely Piano Piece, and then at the moment, a large explosion obscured the actors from view, crossfaded to a still photograph of some poppies. The result was the most hard-earned Downer Ending to any situation comedy.

I’ve managed to whittle it down to this, which is better but still a bit big:

• Blackadder Goes Forth’s famous Downer Ending had to be thrown together in post-production. Limited filming time, no money for a stunt co-ordinator in the budget, and a director with no experience shooting action scenes made the charge into No Man's Land distinctly underwhelming — the characters just fell over and lay on the ground looking not very dead. The explosion effects were so terrifying for the actors that Rowan Atkinson refused to do any retakes. The footage was deemed unusable, but while the film editor cycled through it trying to figure out what to do, he realized that slowing it down made it far more effective. As a result, they slowed the footage, replaced the audio with the theme music played as a Lonely Piano Piece, and at the moment an explosion obscured the actors from view, crossfaded to a still photograph of some poppies.

Is there anything else I could cut down?

Edited by loserswithwifi on Nov 19th 2023 at 4:14:40 PM

That looks fine to me. Thanks for having a go.

How about?

• Blackadder Goes Forth's Downer Ending was thrown together in post-production. The footage of the final charge was unusable due to limited filming time, no stunt co-ordinator budget, and an inexperienced director combining to create underwhelming action sequences where dying characters flopped unconvincingly to the ground. It was salvaged by the film editor slowing down the action speed, playing a Lonely Piano Piece of the theme song and using actor-obscuring explosions as a crossfading hook to poppy stills.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 25th 2023 at 5:35:32 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Found this badboy on Trivia.Bocchi The Rock

• Sleeper Hit: It's a comedic slice-of-life series that people weren't expecting much from (especially with its studio's mixed reception in the past year and a season packed with adaptations of heavy hitters such as Spy X Family, Bleach, Chainsaw Man and Mob Psycho 100, plus its publisher's rather lukewarm reception among general audiences in regards to their anime adaptations), but the anime quickly became one of the break-out hits of the season due to its relatability, expert comedy, creative directing, and its willingness to mix and match different styles and looks of animation in order to better deliver its gags. It was even announced that pre-orders of the first Blu-Ray sold out on Amazon — in its first two weeks, the first volume sold 19,000 copies. It has spectacular critical acclaim, with a fan score up to 9.01/10 on My Anime List, peaking at #13 of all time, and was heavily discussed as "Anime of the Year" in spite of much more hyped shows and in fact won this award (along with seven other awards for genres or technical aspects) in 9th Anime Trending Awards, while also placing second in three more categories and third in one more. Even if you disregard the latter four, the eight wins that BTR had is still the highest number of awards any other show has ever won at ATA as of 2023. It also won Reddit's r/anime's 2022 anime of the year vote. It has quickly become one of the most recognizable School Girl Series. In terms of merchandise, it got glossed over by Goodsmile in favor of other series when it first came out (keep in mind they tend to quickly announce merchandise of anime within the season - including some of the aforementioned heavy-hitters). However, when its popularity was realized, Goodsmile was quick to announce a Nendoroid of Bocchi and later figures and Nendoroids of the other characters.

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That's super gushy. All it needs to say is that the anime wasn't expected to be popular, but then became wildly successful and well-liked.

Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

Common Knowledge at YMMV.Shimeji Simulation feels the need to recap the entire plot with text so long it's broken by an ad and requires three full scrolls on mobile. Just to say that people who haven't read it mistake for Iyashikei.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

Any possible rewrite for that?

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While I'm still waiting for a response on my earlier post on MMPR: The Movie's Troubled Production entry, I wonder if we can trim down the Troubled Production entry for Trivia.Star Trek Nemesis if it's needed.

• Troubled Production:
  • For the most part, writing and filming went pretty smoothly. Maybe a little too smoothly, however — Oscar-nominated writer John Logan was given Protection from Editors in his contract, and director Stuart Baird was only there for the paycheck, and so wasn't inclined to ask Logan for rewrites (Logan's contract meant Berman couldn't fire him or have the screenplay rewritten without his permission, but there was nothing stopping Berman, Baird or the studio just asking him to change the script).
  • There were also some conflicts between Baird and the cast, mostly over Baird's unfamiliarity with the series, to the point where he mistakenly thought that Geordi was an alien instead of a human with artificial eye implants, and repeatedly mispronounced LeVar Burton's name as "Laverne" during filming, even after Burton had repeatedly tried to correct him. Marina Sirtis, while considering the film overall a slight improvement on Insurrection (as did Burton), didn't have too many kind words to say about Baird afterwards, and even Stewart and Frakes, while liking him personally, later admitted him to be a poor fit for the series.
  • What few character scenes were in the film were deleted by Baird during editing, in order to emphasize the action sequences, resulting in the Big Bad's original introductory scene and most of the Enterprise crew's character moments being deleted, to the point where Dr. Crusher doesn't even get a single line after the final battle commences.
  • It was after production had finished where things started to go wrong; the film's screenplay was leaked, and heavily mocked by fans, and then the trailers hit, confirming said screenplay had been used without any major revisions. When it was actually released, it got the worst reviews of any film in the series outside of The Final Frontier, being hit with a healthy amount of It's the Same, Now It Sucks! from critics, and also picking up some backlash from the tepid second season of Star Trek: Enterprise (which didn't do much to help the fortunes of Nemesis by airing the widely-despised episode "Precious Cargo" two days before Nemesis opened).
  • However, it was the choice of release date that sent things really, spectacularly downhill. 2002 had arguably the busiest Christmas release schedule of the modern era, with major franchise films such as Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Die Another Day, surprise hits such as Maid in Manhattan and The Santa Clause 2, and a whole host of Oscar Bait movies all vying for attention. However, it was one particular film that helped turn Nemesis into a Box Office Bomb of staggering proportions, namely The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, which was released less than a week later. Having failed to beat the aforementioned Maid in Manhattan in its opening weekend, Nemesis experienced the worst second weekend of any major movie release in history until that point, dropping 76% of its intake, and then dropping out of the top ten altogether the following week, while flopping just as badly in foreign territories. It, along with the continued poor ratings of Enterprise (despite the show Growing the Beard the following year) ultimately proved the Franchise Killer for the Next Generation incarnation of Star Trek, at least until Star Trek: Picard premiered in 2020.
  • And it didn't end there. Tom Hardy, who played the film's villain, became so depressed over the film's critical and commercial failure that he descended into depression and drug abuse, not experiencing a Career Resurrection until Inception nearly eight years later. To this day, Hardy dislikes talking about Nemesis in significant detail.

Thoughts?

Edited by gjjones on Nov 29th 2023 at 3:10:06 PM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Remove word cruft and stick to the facts. "Production went a bit too well" is word cruft to the max.

Gotcha. I've trimmed down some of the text on the Troubled Production entry on Trivia.Star Trek Nemesis.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

How this for the rewrite of the Sleeper Hit on Trivia.Bocchi The Rock:

• Sleeper Hit: Despite being released in the middle of other highly anticipated animes (like Chainsaw Man, Bleach, Mob Psycho 100 and Spy X Family), Bocchi quickly gain popularity, with many praising it's relatability and willingness to mix and match different styles and looks of animation in order to better deliver its gags.

How does it look?

She/Her | Currently cleaning N/A

Someone massively extended the follow entries on Bitch in Sheep's Clothing and Legend Fades to Myth, misusing Deconstruction in the process.

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Bitch in Sheep's Clothing (this is just character development from elements introduced relatively early in characters' stories).

• RWBY has two prominent cases with Emerald and Whitley. It's deconstructed as the story goes on, when Emerald and Whitley's depths are revealed and explains why they act this way:
  • Emerald Sustrai has a knack for masking a cold personality under a polite façade. She acts very sweet to the old shop owner while trying to find the location of someone she's looking to murder in cold blood, stealing his wallet in the process. During the tournament, she is very friendly and cheerful in conversation with the show's eponymous heroines, but when they part ways, Emerald immediately begins telling her partner Mercury about how much she despises them; she apparently can't comprehend how they could be so happy all the time. Emerald grew up a poor and destitute thief, having to rob people in order to survive while no one else helped her until Cinder came along. As such, she developed the mentality that the elites like those who were part of Beacon clearly couldn't be anything except self-serving frauds who pretended to care while actively disregarding people like her. It's only after seeing the lows that Cinder is willing to go for the sake of power and recognizing her abusive nature, and the similarities of the Fall of Beacon that she helped instigate reoccurring in Atlas, where hundreds of innocent people are forced into a situation similar to her past through no fault of their own that she realizes how wrong she was, and defects to the very people she once opposed.
  • When Weiss meets her brother Whitley after returning to Atlas in the fourth volume, the latter acts as a decent brother towards her. She's suspicious of this because she knows that Whitley dislikes both of his sisters, but the latter blows it off as a sign he's growing up. But as it turns out, Whitley's encouragement and support for Weiss is an act. By behaving like a perfect, obedient son, Jacques views Whitley as the only option for the legacy of the SDC when his daughters disobey him. He disinherits both Winter and Weiss and makes Whitley his sole heir, exactly as Whitley planned. This is further elaborated on in the Atlas arc, as unlike his sisters Winter and Weiss, Whitley was left completely alone with his abusive father and negligent drunk mother, meaning that he had no real way to save himself except by becoming like Jacques to avoid pain. As such, he grew to resent Weiss and Winter for abandoning him, even if in truth neither of them were in any position to really help him due to their own troubles. Weiss at the least recognizes her own part in his pain and began to try to reconcile with him.

Suggested rewrite to shave this down. Can anyone shave these entries down any further?

• RWBY
  • Emerald masks her intentions behind a polite façade, being sweet to the old shopkeep while stealing his wallet, discussing books with Tukson as a build-up to murdering him, and faking friendship with Team RWBY to obtain intel for the villains. On each occasion, her mask drops once away from the event, such as complaining to Mercury about his teasing or how much she dislikes the heroes' cheerfulness. A street urchin saved from starvation by Cinder, her Undying Loyalty is increasingly tested as she learns more about the villains and Cinder's lack of compassion. Eventually, she switches side to join the heroes and discovers the camraderie she's always yearned for.
  • After being dragged home to Atlas in Volume 4, Weiss is surprised and suspicious that her brother Whitley is being so decent and supportive, despite disliking both of his sisters. She only finds out why when it's too late. Jacques has abused his family for years; while his daughters had the ability to escape, Whitley did not, felt abandoned and that his only "escape" was to conform to Jacques demands. Once Jacques is out of the way, Whitley becomes an extremely useful "ideas man" whenever the heroes aren't sure what to do.

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Legend Fades to Myth:

• RWBY: Many of the myths and fairy tales of Remnant are directly based on true stories about the true history of the show's world, such as the story of four Maidens gifted with Elemental Powers, or tales of silver-eyed warriors who can slay the creatures of Grimm with a single glance. The truth of these stories — and, in turn, the fact that magic and divine power really do exist — were deliberately encouraged to fade into myth by Professor Ozpin, who turns out to have also been the star of several fairy tales. This is because his equally immortal adversary, Salem, is trying to obtain these powers for her own goals; he is trying to protect the users of these powers, four divine artifacts, and humanity itself from her machinations. This gets deconstructed as it becomes increasingly clear that Ozma, in his crusade against Salem, has heavily altered and outright obfuscated the truth behind the legends in order to conceal his many, many mistakes during his millennia of fighting, as well as the fact that he doesn't know how to truly win the war. This ends up consistently causing anyone who finds out the full truth of his deception to lose faith in him or outright turn against him for effectively dragging them into a suicide mission with critical information being constantly withheld from them. It also ends up making it exceptionally difficult for the current generation (RWBY and JNPR) to be able to properly fight the forces of evil because they're having to figure out what is actually true amid layers of half-truths to outright falsehoods while they fight.

Suggested rewrite: It was the spoiler text that was added, but it's only repeating what was originally there, and contains inaccurate information, as well. Since the originally entry is also very long, I'm suggesting the following rewrite:

• RWBY: Some of Remnant's myths and fairy tales, such as true magic, the Four Maidens and silver-eyed warriors, are based on true stories about the world's true, secret history. Professor Ozpin has deliberately encouraged some things to fade into myth in order to protect certain individuals and the world at large from an Ancient Evil, who is endangering the world by trying to obtain specific Artifacts of Power for a secret goal.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 30th 2023 at 12:14:29 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

For what it's worth, I trimmed both examples down.

Edited by gjjones on Nov 30th 2023 at 6:57:46 AM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Did you catch the Legend Fades to Myth example as well? I accidentally hid it with broken mark-up. I have butterfingers today.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 30th 2023 at 12:14:58 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Just did.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Thank you.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.