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  • Move examples that involve a foreign culture being portrayed as more similar to the author's culture than it actually is to Creator's Culture Carryover, and remove misuse.

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Note: This thread was proposed by nw09.

We All Live in America is supposed to be about a foreign culture being portrayed exactly the same as the author's. Instead, it's often used for individual errors (such as a minor language mistake) as well as other misuse (including interpreting the title literally).

We All Live In America Wick Check has out of 50 examples:

  • 8 used correctly (16%)
  • 17 misuse in individual errors (34%)
  • 11 other misuse (22%)
  • 12 unsure (24%)

Suggesting a rename and/or expansion.

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We All Live in America is supposed to be about a foreign culture being portrayed exactly the same as the author's. Instead, it's often used for individual errors (such as a minor language mistake) or a literal interpretation of the title.

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    Correct use (culture is portrayed exactly the same) 8/ 50 
  • My Hero World: Invoked. As many of Kulev's issues with the series are intrisicly tied to Japanese values, they are ignoring said values in favor of using more Western values despite the setting still being in Japan.
  • Hogwarts Exposed Timeline: Obviously by the Tropes above, the entire story is written with the United States in mind and most changes, social transformations and advances are done in here (The Maskarade break was done by the President Clinton). Going to ridiculous levels with the Magic World (We All Live in Britannia) since all the spells, weapons, institutions and abilities are exactly the same regardless of Nation or Culture.
  • William Shakespeare: He might have been writing a play set in Celtic Britain, or ancient Rome, or ancient Greece, or Italy, but the themes and ideas in the plays pretty consistently evoked Elizabethan/Jacobean England.
  • The Descent: A British movie, filmed in Britain, with British flora and fauna, and vampire-like cave monsters typical of European folklore. The setting: North Carolina.
  • The Neverending Story: The original German versions of the movies—and the books—base the story in Germany. How come Bastian's hometown looks like an American city, then? Especially ridiculous since the Fantasia scenes were filmed at a studio in Munich, meaning the filmmakers could easily have preserved the original setting simply by taking their equipment outside the studio.
  • The Final Sword: The fic seems to constantly forget everyone is living in Japan. Apparently everyone in the fic listens to Western pop music more than they do Japanese music, photos of Western rooms are used to represent the interior of the very Japanese Citadel and English wordplays that don't make sense in Japanese show up; for instance Rebora's pet squirrel is named Lucky after it's said to haven been lucky to be alive, which does not make sense translated into Japanese no matter which way you try to put it.
  • Hollywood Provincialism: Subtrope of Creator Provincialism and of We All Live in America, which happens when American media assumes that life and culture in other parts of the world is the same as in the United States.
  • Vantage Point:
    • It's set in Spain, yet the Secret Service are seen seizing cars from the locals, as well as chasing, arresting and shooting them, even cops. Plenty of wars have started over much less.
    • Never mind that it is an international summit, but it is presided over by the city's mayor (with no member of the Spanish national government apparently present), the President of the United States is the absolute star, and the public waves a zillion Spanish flags at him and only Spanish flags, something much more reminiscent of Eagleland (If they want to honor the POTUS and Spanish-American relations, shouldn't they be Spanish and American flags? And what about the other foreign representatives there? Does nobody care about them?). It's painfully evident that the writer had an American president giving a speech in the US in mind and only painted a light "but in Spain" coat over it.

    Misuse (individual errors) 17/ 50 
  • Damon Knight: "Rule Golden" has a BBC news reporter say "In Commons today..." But omitting the article like that is an Americanism; any real Brit would at least say "in the Commons", and a BBC announcer would more likely say "in the House of Commons", which after all takes only about half a second longer.
  • Lindsay Ellis: In the Loose Canon episode on Jack the Ripper, there is a throwaway "they're trying to take our English guns!" line speculating as to what would happen if the Ripper killings happened now. IN the UK, civilian handguns are completely banned and shotguns heavily controlled.
  • Sam & Mickey: While Sam and Mickey is usually flawless with portraying various American accents, they sometimes use Australian terms to refer to certain things, such as "aubergine" for "eggplant", calling the flashlight on the smartphone a "torch" in one episode, Skipper referring to a bag of chips as "crisps", the word "cilantro" being pronounced with a soft a (as in apple), just to name a few.
  • The Amazing Spider-Man: It's questionable whether a scientist, and a British scientist at that, would record his core body temperature in Fahrenheit ("89.7 degrees").
  • The Fifth Element: Inverted. Korben lives in New York, and loses all five points left on his driver's license. In America, points are added for traffic violations, whereas in France, points are removed. This is also not an inversion
  • The Muppet Christmas Carol: Lampshaded below:
    Sam the Eagle: Mm, you will love business. It is the AMERICAN WAY!
    (Young Ebenezer looks extremely confused)
    Gonzo: Ack! Uh, Sam... (whispers in Sam's ear)
    Sam the Eagle: Oh... It is the BRITISH WAY!
    Gonzo: Good. (thumbs up)
    Young Ebenezer: Yes, Headmaster.
    Sam the Eagle: Hmm. (looks around, confused) This is just a gag
  • Italians Talk with Hands: Averted in Gunslinger Girl where the mannerisms of the cyborg girls and their handlers resemble Japanese reserve rather than Italian expresssiveness.
  • Japanese Spirit: In the Iron Man manga, Tony Stark works hard to curtail his American sensibilities, especially his womanizing, while in Japan, knowing it won't win him any points with the locals. His behavior, however, more closely resembles what a Japanese writer would GUESS an American hotshot would act like. For example, at one point, he is sparring with a Japanese fighter and compliments the man on his Japanese Spirit...before cheating and then proclaiming that as an American, he instead has "Pioneer Spirit". Not only Japanese Spirit is something most Americans have vaguely heard of, at best, but no American would ever use the term "Pioneer Spirit". The "American Way", maybe, but in this context, even that's a stretch.
  • Symbology Research Failure: The Da Vinci Code opens with Robert Langdon conferencing about symbology in France. He shows the audience an image similar to this and asks them the first idea it conjures in their mind. They say "hatred," "racism," and "Ku Klux Klan." Langdon replies: "Yes, yes, interesting. But they would disagree with you in Spain. There, they are robes worn by priests." This is wrong. They are Nazareno suits, worn by lay congregationists during Holy Week processions. They are only worn by priests when the priests don't want others to know that they are priests - the point of the suit, at least in its origin, was to hide the identity of the so-called penitents. It is also unbelievable that a French audience would think of an American hate group before a tourist attraction in the country next door that is visited by thousands of Frenchmen every year.
  • Analysis.Artistic License Paleontology: Smilodon, a strictly American genus, is sometimes placed in any other continent, and often long after every other sabertooth had gone extinct there. It's also often shown living in a snowy environment alongside woolly mammoths, despite ranging farther south in warmer climates. The South American species S. populator was known to have lived in a savannah-like environment which spread much of the Amazon was during the Ice Age, and it didn't live alongside mammoths but rather the elephant-like gomphotheres. On the other hand, the North American species S. fatalis would have seen snow during winter, given California's colder climate at the time, but its range is still far away from woolly mammoths. That species, however, did live alongside the massive Columbian mammoths as well as American mastodons.
  • V for Vendetta: Mostly averted (like V saying "lift" instead of "elevator") but not always — several uses of "cop" which is generally an Americanism (Brits prefer "copper"), Finch pronouncing lever as leh-ver instead of lee-ver. Additionally, Lewis Prothero was based more on American television pundits (like Bill O'Reilly) rather than anything off British TV. The colors of the national postal carrier are based on USPS rather than Royal Mail. In the freight yard a bell is heard from a moving locomotive, not a UK requirement.
  • Titanic (1997): When Rose asks Thomas Andrews where she may find Jack, he tells her to take the elevator to the bottom, despite being an Irishman who would say lift. In the following scene, a crewman does indeed correctly say "lifts." Then again, Andrews may have said it for Rose's benefit, since she's American.
  • Gunslinger Girl: The series, though it's set in Italy, had many of the adult handlers be quite reserved towards their charges, probably causing Values Dissonance for any Italian viewers. They even bow sometimes. The girls don't act much like typical Italian girls, either.
  • Im: Great Priest Imhotep: A particularly weird one where the Amen Priest Society's Egyptian branch decides to throw a Japanese style festival complete with kimonos, fireworks, and Japanese games and dishes. The only real reason that's offered is that the Magai rampage that happened earlier wrecked the area. A major example, but it's still just one event
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Golden Wind:
    • The main characters are Italian gangsters who despise the drug trade. Such beliefs are commonly attributed to Yakuza, but aren't generally associated with organized crimes much of anywhere else.
    • While doing math, Narancia draws a henohenomoheji on the side of his paper (which is made of Japanese characters).
    • Guido Mista has a deep superstitious fear of number four, as if he were Japanese. Italians actually fear seventeen the most. The In-Universe explanation is that his tetraphobia originates from his neighbor being attacked by a kitten who was born in a litter of four, which, as far as justifications go, is laughably weak.

    Other misuse 11/ 50 

    Unsure 12/ 50 
  • Doug Walker: He's gone on weird rants about his country being too rebellious at least twice, and as he's talking about the Asian-based Avatar, it comes off as even stranger.
  • Frollo Freak: Danisha goes back in time to medieval France. Does she spend time trying the native foods? Listening to the traditional and contemporary music? Learning the history and local stories? Of course not! She—and her companions—spread American culture throughout 15th century Paris. They teach the kids how to play baseball, kickball and other games you will find on American playgrounds. And American history — or rather, American future — as well as American literature. Danisha—and clearly Frollo Freak—is from Indiana, so she puts emphasis on foods like fried chicken, mashed potatoes, pecan pie, ice cream, lemonade, etc. They turn medieval Paris into a small Midwestern town. When they go to the future, Danisha takes Frollo around places Frollo Freak must frequent. It also happens in The Disney Seven where Walroy is described as being in the Midwest. This is invoked in-universe
  • Hermione's Talent: Even aside from the anachronism, a lot of the musical choices are not well known in the UK. To say nothing of how the characters talk.
  • My Immortal: Hogwarts is in Britain, but you wouldn't know it with all the American cultural references this story contains.
  • The Bourne Series: It appears the CIA can do almost anything they want in any European country while the local authorities dutifully assist them, or at least don't do anything to hinder them. That the local authorities might refuse to help the CIA based of the fact that an American organization has no jurisdiction in their countries never seems to have crossed the writers' minds. (On the other hand, they are often seen lying to local authorities to manipulate them into capturing the protagonist. It's only in Berlin that the CIA takes an active role on the ground interacting with German officials since it's American agents that were murdered.) It's essential to the plot, but it doesn't say anything about how foreign countries are portrayed
  • The Debt (1999): Everybody pays in American dollars rather than zloties. Justified since in the early 1990s, when the movie is set, the Polish currency (as well as pretty much every other in the post-Soviet bloc) experienced a period of inflation that did not come to a close until mid-decade and so much of business was made in dollars.
  • Time Bokan 24: Rather, "We All Live in Modern Japan". Whenever the duo go back in time to find the True History, the people there indulge in quite a few Japanese pasttimes like Manzai acts or idol concerts.
  • SD Gundam Force: While the show features tons of American stereotypes, Neotopia still features lots of Japanese customs. Such as Shute knowing how to make rice balls and several of the citizens having Japanese names.
  • Queen's Blade: Despite the Western European Medieval setting of the series, some Japanese stuff still prevails on it: The biggest offenders are the armors of the Vance County and later, the Claudette's army's soldiers, who looks a lot like Ashigaru soldiers from the Japanese Sengoku period, the members of the Assassins of the Fang are Medieval Ninjas and we can hear a woman who sounds like a Benshi announcing the final battle between Leina and Aldra in the second season.
  • Characters.The Asterisk War: Exploited, In-Universe. In volume 7 and 8 they briefly attempt to take down Sylvia with the rumor that she has a boyfriend. (One supposes they're trying to ruin her reputation in the otaku community, since this probably wouldn't have much effect in the Western world.)
  • A Cruel God Reigns: A minor example, but some Japanese cultural issues seep into the story, despite the characters and settings being American or British
    • Early in the manga, Cass claims he needs to prostitute himself in order to pay the cost of school and books, even though American high schools would be free.
  • Pet Shop of Horrors: The setting is in Chinatown of Los Angeles, but the original manga and anime has people speaking Japanese. In one case, Leon is able to get beer from a vending machine, which does not exist in America.
  • Planetes: The section, and the company as a whole, are nationally and ethnically diverse (but seem to act unilaterally Japanese in certain cases).
  • Vinland Saga:
    • Most characters are fairly Japanese in spirit. It's easy to equate Japanese samurai and Danish vikings, as they are both warrior cultures, and there certainly are similarities, but there are differences between them.
    • Olmar and Garm act like Japanese Delinquents (including ridiculous hair which they must spend a lot of time on...) in medieval Europe. Chalk it up to Rule of Funny.
  • Little Big: Despite ostensibly existing in Russia, there are surprising number of Americanisms in their videos. For example, the police officers in Hypnodancer and Rock Paper Scissors, though not Skibidi, wear stereotypical NYPD uniforms. This is almost certainly deliberate.
  • Miracle of Sound: On Social Media, it's been making claims that every country's politics and social issues are exactly like America's.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 12:18:19 PM

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#26: Dec 7th 2022 at 7:31:19 PM

Re: the wick check: As it happens, I'm the one who added the Asterisk War example. AFAIK it's correct: the author, or at least the characters making the plan, are assuming fans worldwide would react to rumors of the targeted character having a boyfriend in the same (frankly insane) way Japanese Idol Singer otakus would (there's a corresponding example for We All Live in America on the main work page IIRC).

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#28: Dec 10th 2022 at 3:25:25 PM

Huh, guess I missed this one when I went through the active crowners before I went to bed.

Calling in favor of Creator's Culture Carryover. I'll turn it into a redirect instead of moving it right away in case the revised description needs to be sandboxed, since having it as a redirect will remove the need to file a Locked Pages thread request when the sandbox is ready.

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#29: Jan 7th 2023 at 1:15:05 AM

Made a sandbox for the new description + tried my hand at it.

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#30: Jan 16th 2023 at 7:52:07 AM

Might it be good to add a to-do list? At this point, all that needs to be done is finishing the wick cleaning, from what I glean.

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#31: Jan 16th 2023 at 10:17:38 AM

Done. I also added it to Administrivia.Renamed Tropes, the Renamed and Split Tropes thread, and moved the discussion page and linked to this thread on the old name's discussion page, since I saw that the page was moved at some point.

Edit: Here are the wicks. Not an overwhelmingly large amount to go through. As a side note, it would have been preferable to migrate the indexing when the page was moved instead of saving it for when the rest of the wick cleanup is being done, but eh, we'll get to it when cleaning the wicks.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 12:22:43 PM

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#32: Jan 16th 2023 at 12:42:34 PM

Any input on the new description, or are we good to swap the sandbox in?

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#33: Jan 16th 2023 at 1:00:37 PM

nw09 already swapped it in. Was that premature?

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#34: Jan 16th 2023 at 1:03:38 PM

Double posting because I swapped the description in since the page was already moved to the new name. I'll move the page because I wonder if ~nw09 did the move prematurely.

Edit: Oh, but I left the sandbox in case anything else needs to be done with it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 3:04:45 AM

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#35: Jan 16th 2023 at 1:07:01 PM

Whether it was or not, the description needs to be changed, because as it is now it refers to the previous definition.

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#36: Jan 16th 2023 at 1:16:15 PM

OK, then why did you move the page if the description wasn't done? And why did you remove the image without going though Image Pickin'?

Edit: Did make a handful of tweaks since examples can cover errors involving portions of a country's culture in addition to errors that involve entire countries.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2023 at 3:24:11 AM

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#37: Jan 16th 2023 at 1:28:22 PM

I guess I was just impatient to add it, or I thought it was ready. As for the image, I'm not sure why, maybe I was just removing to preview what it would look like without the image and accidentally moved that version over. Sorry about that.

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#38: Jan 16th 2023 at 1:31:49 PM

I did discover one change from what was already on the new name and what was on the sandbox and reverted it; mainly, I brought back the "In more obvious examples" wording because it covers examples that already fit the old definition, while other parts of the description cover the expanded definition's examples involving individual errors.

Edit: After making some more tweaks I think the description matches the revised definition, so I don't think we need any more changes. I did copy the current description to the sandbox in case any more are needed, though.

Edit: Oh, right, forgot to mention that I moved the indexing over. I removed it from some United States-related indexes since the trope isn't literally about the US, but moved over the others.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 17th 2023 at 6:10:48 AM

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#39: Jan 19th 2023 at 10:35:59 PM

I checked and it looks like the on-page examples are already fine, so I guess that just leaves the wicks to go through. I'll update to to-do list to account for this.

Edit: Oh, I guess the to-do list didn't need to be changed. I'll still leave this hear for record-keeping's sake.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 19th 2023 at 12:36:40 PM

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#40: Feb 3rd 2023 at 3:09:25 PM

This one's only a couple hundred wicks and doesn't involve multiple target tropes. Should be pretty straightforward to get through. I've chipped away at some Main/ wicks.

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#43: Mar 11th 2023 at 8:31:54 PM

I finally dewicked Main/ after a few months of procrastinating and working on other projects. Lots of misuse that simply potholed it to references to the US and things within it, so they had to go.

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#44: Mar 12th 2023 at 7:25:43 AM

Of the misuse, the likeliest usage I see it wicked for is Americentrism gripes.

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#45: Mar 15th 2023 at 3:31:10 PM

Done, so locking up.

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Trope Repair Shop: We All Live in America
7th Dec '22 12:54:18 AM

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Consensus was to rename We All Live In America and expand the definition to cover individual errors involving a work mistakenly portraying other cultures as similar to the creator's, instead of only covering the whole work as with the current definition. What should the trope's new name be?

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