Perhaps make it a subpage for seasonal rot under the video games folder and divide each into actual entries rather than a whiny essay? Seems to be a case not dissimilar to Fairly Oddparents where its heavily debated where exactly the rot set in.
Anyways, anyone want to investigate the potential misuses of Seasonal Rot I’ve higlighted on the previous page? I think at the very least Angel, Monster Rancher, and Magic the Gathering could be cut, while Pokemon could maybe be rewritten.
Edited by xie323 on Jan 11th 2022 at 10:38:25 AM
I'm pretty sure it's five years after the work's release, but the No Recent Examples, Please! entry (which was done through that index's thread and not this thread) isn't clear about that.
Also, could I get some feedback on this post I made on the previous page?
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 12th 2022 at 3:11:13 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.It's supposed to be five years after the Dork Age, or rather, Audience Alienating Era began. I guess I'll have to edit the page to put that in.
Also I feel that maybe we need a Sandbox but I'm no expert repair guy so I feel a more experienced person should voice their opinion.
Edited by JustaUsername on Jan 13th 2022 at 6:37:05 AM
Some people say I'm lazy. It's hard to disagree.So, does Dork Age/Seasonal Rot/ whatever we're calling it now refer to viewership or to the actual quality of the work? I'm asking because I went on the "Dork Age" page for TV networks, and I found that a majority of the instances were focused on the perceived quality of the programming, rather than its popularity. The one for Cartoon Network— which has been reverted since my last edit to it— is a good example.
Dork Age (which is now Audience-Alienating Era) is for popularity, Seasonal Rot is quality. The pages haven't been completely cleaned yet.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI see. But I don't think either of those can really apply to whole TV networks.
It's not Audience-Alienating Era quite yet, because only one person responded to my question of whether we need to sandbox the description or whether Dork Age's current description can be moved as-is. If it can be moved as-is, I'll move it; the reason I haven't is because I wasn't sure whether that was a good idea.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 15th 2022 at 3:41:40 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I just feel like, whatever we call it, it's going to end up being a magnet for complaining. I've been paying particular attention to the TV networks page, where a majority of the examples can essentially be summed up as "the network cancelled a bunch of good and/or debuted a bunch of bad shows", with no regard for, say, the circumstances regarding that. The Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon sections, for example, are full of complaints about those networks' tendency to overdo Spongebob and Teen Titans Go marathons.
That's not what this trope should be used for, and it's steering dangerously towards Complaining About Shows You Don't Like. I've tried to edit those sections to be more neutral in tone and less complaining, but whenever I do it, they always get changed back.
Edited by ElSquibbonator on Jan 15th 2022 at 8:11:01 AM
Well, like I said; the pages still need cleanup.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessThere's also the issue that, in theory, anyone could declare a period of time in which certain works were released to be a Dork Age if they personally dislike the works in question.
Edited by ElSquibbonator on Jan 15th 2022 at 8:18:10 AM
Not really. We have requirements. The work needs to suffer a decline in popularity and ratings.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessTo continue with the example I gave earlier, one editor on the TV Networks page seems utterly convinced that Cartoon Network is in a new Dork Age that began in 2020 when Tom Aschiem became head of the network. And it is within their right to believe that.
But that is not an opinion I have seen frequently, and if Dork Ages— or whatever we're calling them now— are decided by popular opinion after a certain period of time, then I do not think it is fair to list this as one on the site based on the hunch of a single editor. And while it's true that the network has suffered a decrease in ratings over the past few years, the same can also be said of every other kids' TV network, due to competition from streaming services. The new CEO probably had little to do with that.
My point is, I think that this system, no matter how clearly we establish the rules, is one that people will still abuse in order to complain.
Edited by ElSquibbonator on Jan 15th 2022 at 8:21:41 AM
Are there users edit warring on the page? If so, you might want to bring them to ATT.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 15th 2022 at 8:34:34 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI'm not disputing that there's a lot of problems with the current page. But I think the new title, coupled with wick and page cleaning, will at least make the issue more manageable. I think it's too early to assume we have an issue based on the old examples.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI looked over the TV Networks page again and I noticed a glut of walls of text that, as Squibbonator mentioned, were filled with complaining.
That page has some serious issues. If we do end up doing a cleanup thread, that page is going to take a lot of work. And as I mentioned before, if people try to revert everything, they may need to be reported to ATT.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallMy assumption was that we'd only move the valid examples to the new page, rather than move everything wholesale and then clean it.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAh OK. That page will still be quite a bit of work due to the bloated walls of text. I already brought up an entry about [adult swim] in the Is this an example? thread because I questioned its validity.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallIf the page has problems in its current state, then does that mean the description needs to be sandboxed before the rename officially occurs? I've been trying to ask if a sandbox is needed for the description instead of just using the page mover to move the contents as-is, but I can't seem to get a clear answer despite asking three other times up to this point.
ElSquibbonator's posts are starting to feel like derails at this point due to how they're distracting from the question of how to handle the page move, and I'd rather not have to start thumping posts.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2022 at 5:58:30 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Some observations
I don't think there's policy of a "correct"order of rename-description-move, but it at least makes sense to do cleanup AFTER both...
And the questions of long, complainy entries on both are valid (since in my experience looking at entries for long runners, if someone wants to complain, they will without regard to whether it's a commonly held opinion in the audience) and relevant to the question of "Are the descriptions ready?" if you're asking how such entries inform the descriptions... Otherwise, the TV network thing is a cleanup job to untangle after the tropes are separated.
Nobody likes writing descriptions.
I assumed the time limit on the dork age is after the dork age has ended, but I guess I'm wrong.
(I dislike both of these and have barely paid attention to this thread.)
I'd rather make the new description and then move good examples over; that way we don't need a massive page cleanup immediately afterward.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI went ahead and moved Dork Age to Audience-Alienating Era due to the trouble I had getting an answer. Here are the wicks.
The subpages need to be cleaned up as well, and maybe also the description.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 16th 2022 at 6:46:50 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.That's great. I updated the renamed tropes section of the Trope Epitaph to reflect the rename.
I'll be over on DeviantArt if you need me.I neglected to mention that I already recorded the rename in the Renamed Tropes thread, the relevant Renamed Tropes page, and the old discussion page.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.It honestly annoys me that listing the Wii U/3DS era for Super Mario Bros in Dork Age was barred off considering the series was struggling in popularity and relevancy at the time. Sure it remained a recognizable brand, but I remember frequently seeing people shrugging off Mario and comparing it to Call of Duty in terms of oversaturation.
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Consensus was to rename Dork Age. What should its new name be?
So, 5 years after the dork age started or 5 years after the dork age ended?
I’m also wondering what we should do with this whiny Bomberman folder that’s in DorkAge.Video Games. It feels like an essay on the downfall of the series split into examples.
Note that some of these entries have been Vindicated by History. This does not, however, change the fact that the games were heavily contested at the time of their release.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Jan 10th 2022 at 2:20:53 PM
Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!