Hindsight Cleanup

From YMMV.13GoingOn30:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • Certainly for Marvel comics fans due to the fact that this movie includes Elektra Natchios as Jenna Rink, Dr. Bruce Banner/The Incredible Hulk as adult Matt, Spider-Man as teenaged Matt, Ulysses Klaue as Richard, Maggie Lang as Lucy "Tom-Tom" Wyman, Kayla Silverfox as Wendy, and Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel as one of the Six Chicks.
  • Due to a Freeze-Frame Bonus, you can see that Brie Larson's character in the Six Chicks was replaced by Jenna after she became popular. It would later be the other way round, with Jennifer Garner first playing Elektra and then getting replaced once the Marvel Cinematic Universe started up.

My first thought went, "Marvel has so many adaptations, that it shouldn't feel remarkable when a movie shares cast members with some," but I wanted someone else's opinion on if that sounds like a good reason to remove these.

There's literally nothing about why would this be funny, though.

Like if you made it a Harsher in Hindsight entry, you wouldn't have to change the actual text of the examples because they're that vague.

It's just "Actors work together sometimes."

Cut.

Edited by ArthurEld on Feb 26th 2024 at 5:14:17 AM

Any thoughts on my Galko rewrite?

Thanks!

Edited by ToonAbby on Feb 26th 2024 at 3:41:48 AM

"The name's Uzume Tennouboshi! Yeah, it's pretty badass, I know." - Uzume, Megadimension Neptunia VII

I think it looks good.

Found this on YMMV.Zom 100 Bucket List Of The Dead

• Harsher in Hindsight: The story starts with Akira getting broken by his Soul-Crushing Desk Job before feeling liberated by the collapse of society as he won't need to return to work. This feels ironic when you account for the anime's production issues that led to its Schedule Slips.

Now, I was afraid of bringing this up because I could have missed something and I'm well aware of how exploitative the Japanese animation industry is (look at the MAPPA controversy for instance). But from my time reading news about the slips, I never once heard that something about abuse or anything like that (Akira's job being constantly overworked and abused by his boss). So I don't know if this entry is valid.

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From HarsherInHindsight.Supermarioglitchy4s Super Mario 64 Bloopers:

• There's a moment in "SMG4 Are You Okay?" where SMG4 enslaves a bunch of Toads to make content for him, and is cancelled when SMG3 exposes him. A year later, Glitch Productions found itself in hot water when numerous former employees spoke out about the work environment.

I do believe that the controversy is ongoing as I speak.

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I'm genuinely scared to ask, what is going on there?

Oh that's why. I just didn't feel like clicking the above link knowing full well it's not a good situation. Still a violation of NREP though.

Edited by ToonAbby on Feb 28th 2024 at 6:50:23 AM

"The name's Uzume Tennouboshi! Yeah, it's pretty badass, I know." - Uzume, Megadimension Neptunia VII

Basically Tari's former VA was laid off without notice and things are currently spiraling out of control over there.

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These are on Recess: School's Out under Harsher in Hindsight:

• During his "The Reason You Suck" Speech to TJ, Prickly says that, at one point in the school year, he got busted by the FBI because TJ informed them that Prickly was working with the Chinese as a double agent, all because he was giving the students a speech about personal hygiene. This can bring to mind the scandals involving college professors leaking intel to China.
• As a child viewer, Miss Finster taking such glee in selling back ice cream to the district for chalk and erasers comes off as typical Kids Versus Adults conflict, with the adult valuing something boring over something fun. As an adult viewer, particularly one familiar with the American school system, the need to get funding for basic supplies necessary for teaching makes a lot more sense. In a bad way.

The latter is more Unintentionally Sympathetic or perhaps Strawman Has a Point, because it seems the situation didn't change, the audience's ages did.

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Another one, this time from the same HarsherInHindsight.Supermarioglitchy4s Super Mario 64 Bloopers page:

• One of the scene from "SMG4…Are You Ok?" includes SMG4 manipulating Toads to make videos, while SMG3 is recording an "SMG4 Exposed" video. Replace SMG4 with Kevin, and we can get the main problem of Glitch Productions, which is mismanagement from the CEO himself.

As I said in the Locked Pages thread, the controversy is still ongoing and it has caused edits like this to appear in the various YMMV and Trivia sections. Not sure when they'll respond, but this is getting tiresome for me.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Feb 29th 2024 at 12:58:03 PM

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From YMMV.Hotel Mario:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • Mario's exhortation to the player to "check out the enclosed instruction book" is funnier now that an entire game exists that revolves around piecing together its own manual.
    Feels like a massive stretch.
  • The Gay Luigi Lady Mondegreen becomes especially funny when you consider he gets some serious Ho Yay with Prince Peasley in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga.
    Also a stretch.
  • Super Mario 64 also has a similar Memetic Mutation to "Gay Luigi", with "Gay Bowser". Both lines are even said by Mario.
    Not sure about that, might be okay.
  • Fast forward to Super Paper Mario. In Chapter 7, Mario is separated from Princess Peach. Where is the princess taken? The "Overthere!"
    That one could also count. It might need some rewriting to clarify the "Over there!" line.
  • This line from Luigi, considering his modern characterization:
    Well maybe a Koopa will lend us his [light], if we...(raises fist) persuade him!
    That feels more like Characterization Marches On.
  • Luigi's Mansion 3 takes place in a hotel. Naturally, the internet has noticed. Adding onto the hilarity, the lead technical character artist for Luigi's Mansion 3 is Jeff Zoern, who actually worked on Hotel Mario. Additionally, Ludwig's Thump Castle Hotel is haunted, complete with giant Boos.
    Maybe this one is okay.
  • "When you pinch Wendy's pennies, they pinch back." In a certain Paper Mario game, failing to meet a certain criteria when fighting Wendy leads to her pummeling Mario with a shower of coins (each doing 1 damage each) until he collapses. And to add insult to injury, these are, in fact, real coins she showers you with, which immediately get added to your coin counter as they hit you. In other words, you're pinching them just as they're pinching you back.
    I guess that one's fine too.
  • In Ratchet & Clank Future: A Crack in Time, Mr. Zurkon (also voiced by Marc Graue) calls his enemies "toasters".
    A voice actor says "toasters" in two different roles. That's a stretch.
  • This wouldn't be the last time Mario would use a giant fan to solve a problem.
    Really not sure about this one.
  • A tutorial monologue that was cut from the game says this about Mario's jump:
    Look at that, I should've gone in the Olympics.
    Also not sure about that.

Agree on all these.

The last one might be OK.

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

Agreeing as well.

Any thoughts on the entry that I brought attention to earlier?

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If the controversy is still ongoing, it's best to cut the example for now.

So, I removed this Hilarious in Hindsight entry from YMMV.Twisted The Untold Story Of A Royal Vizier:

• "Dream a Little Harder" has been cited in discussions of Disney's centennial Milestone Celebration film Wish (2023) for basically being that movie's Aesop, as the beautiful heroine Asha merely wishing really hard for a better life for her kingdom is what brings Star down from the sky to help her, and wishing really hard is also what defeats the villain at the end when the townspeople do it en masse. In fact, the villain King Magnifico, who was designed as a slimy, irredeemable villain in the Jafar mode, got huge amounts of Draco in Leather Pants / Strawman Has a Point fandom for being a monarch who created a peaceful near-utopia, the only downside being that he hoarded the people's dearest wishes (most of which they could have accomplished under their own power if they'd just made an effort) and only granted a few in order to hang on to his power. The only reason he goes Jumping Off the Slippery Slope into total villainy is because the heroine Asha gets mad he won't just grant, or at least let everyone realize, all their wishes and ends up calling down Star; in the face of what he sees as a threat to his power (and an ungrateful populace, as he puts it in his Villain Song) he's desperate enough to become bound to forbidden magic to stop it. Not to mention that he ends up imprisoned in a mirror while his once-complicit queen, having betrayed him, takes the throne - while Asha gets granted wish-granting magic.

I removed it because well it seemed like a lot of stretching to make it fit the trope (plus it doesn't explain the hilarious part) but I just realized that I should have come here first. Thoughts? Should I add it back or keep it cut? I think everything before the mention of Magnifico might fit but I am unsure.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 2nd 2024 at 4:47:49 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

I'd say you were right to remove it (unless Twisted has something not mentioned in the example that further supports it.)

From Fantasia:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • The introduction to the "Rite of Spring" segment has Deems say that dinosaurs had the brains of pigeons, the context implying unintelligence. It'd be more accurate to say the reverse of both dinosaurs and pigeons, nowadays.
  Unsure. I'm tempted to move this to Science Marches On.
  • And in the introduction to the "Nutcracker" segment of the original roadshow where Deems states that nobody performs the ballet nowadays. Skip to 70 years later, when said ballet is arguably the most well-known and performed ballet in the world. In fact, the "Nutcracker" is probably the only piece in the movie (with the possible exception of "Tocatta and Fugue" and maybe "Dance of the Hours") that is more well-known for itself rather than for being part of this film. According to this D23 article, the ballet had not been performed in the United States before Fantasia was released: it didn't have its American premiere until 1944. Arguably, Fantasia introduced ''Nutcracker'' to American audiences.
  I think it's fine.
  • This isn't the last time Disney will depict fairies.
  Easy cut. There are SO many Disney films with fairies.
  • The Pastoral segment features colourful pegasi and unicorns prancing around, years before My Little Pony would feature similar depictions.
  Another cut. This is pretty much the overly saccharine depiction of unicorns that finds its way across pop culture as a whole.
  • The Pastoral segment as a whole and its depiction of Zeus when Hercules was released, especially when compared to how both are portrayed, with this film's Zeus being the common Jerkass God he was in the myth while the latter film's Zeus is the exact opposite. Even more hilarious when Disney would go back to portraying Zeus as accurate to the myth in DuckTales (2017).
  Unsure, but probably fine?
  • A Pteranodon snatches its prey, only to be eaten itself by a Mosasaurus, something that would happen again decades later in Jurassic World.
  Unsure. Possible Fan Myopia
  • It's difficult to watch the Dance of the Hours segment without humming "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" to yourself.
  Possible Fan Myopia

Any opinions?

Your judgments sound fine — I think you can make the appropriate changes.

For the last one, it might be worth a mention that "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" is meant to be a parody/With Lyrics version of "Dance of the Hours". I'll admit it probably has undergone some degree of Parody Displacement, but it would be fairly similar to writing an entry that says something like "It's difficult to listen to Ridin' without thinking of White and Nerdy".

Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.

Bumping

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I agree that it sounds like a stretch, at least from the information given.

(x4) Agree with most of those. I think the Zeus / Hercules connection is a bit pointless and could go, honestly.

Sounds like the "Dance of the Hours"/"Camp Granada" point is Parody Displacement, not Hindsight.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Mar 4th 2024 at 4:41:00 AM

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

Shoehorn based on the info we have. Cut.

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This is on HilariousInHindsight.Sponge Bob Square Pants:

• "Krabby Land" has Mr. Krabs creates a carnival in order to get the money of children on summer vacation. Mr Krabs, being being the cheapskate that he is creates it out of garbage without any care. Almost twenty years later, The Willy's Chocolate Experience event in Glasgow made Krabby Land's cheap nature oddly prescient.

While I have seen memes comparing the two, I'm not sure if this is hindsight or not.

Also, the titlar Krabby Land is a cheaply made playground that falls apart almost as soon as the kids see it, not a carnival.

I think people compare any recent crappy experience to Krabby Land. It's more Memetic Mutation than anything specific to the Wonka thing.

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