Is this an example?

I put it on Rooting for the Empire, and found the name of the webcomic.

• A comic strip by artist Mallorie Jessica Udischas, author of Manic Pixie Nightmare Girls, presented the artist Self-Insert laughing about a "millionaire gamer-bro douchebag" getting robbed (a reference to PewDiePie, who was robbed in early December, 2019). Her co-worker, a stereotypical skinhead looking male character whose nametag reads "New Guy", calls her out on this, asking her "Hey, how'd you like it if you were robbed?". Mallorie self-insert then sarcastically tells the guy they could be friends only to later remark "Hell no". Due to the protagonist being unlikeable for being a spiteful jerk with an agenda of the dehumanization of people due to their wealth, many people ended up agreeing with New Guy, who the comic didn't present as anything but some reasonable guy with empathy. Starting in 2020, New Guy was taken by Twitter users as a symbol of "empathy", even trending on the site. The artist made her account private after supposed harassment.

I think it sounds too biased or anything. What do you think?

Reposting from the previous three pages so that it doesn't get lost again.

From VideoGame.Shin Sakura Wars:

• Casting Gag:
  • Shinichiro Ota voices the commentator for the World Combat Revue War tournament. This is not the first time Ota has done this before, as he previously served as the floor reporter for the Iron Chef TV series.
  • One of Arthur's attacks is Overlord Excalibur, a massive Sword Beam similar to Saber's Excalibur. Nobunaga Shimazaki is a big Fate Series fan and voiced the male character of Fate/Grand Order.

The Casting Gag trope is where an entire role mirrors or parodies an entire previous role or real-life situation of an actor. Do either of the above entries count as true examples of that trope? If not, would a different trope (i.e. Actor-Shared Background) apply here or should they be removed?

Edited by gjjones on Jan 5th 2020 at 6:38:03 AM

I agree that it's an example of Rooting for the Empire, but I suggest a couple of minor wording changes, partially for content, partially to streamline the text:

• A comic strip by artist Mallorie Jessica Udischas, author of Manic Pixie Nightmare Girls, presents the artist's Self-Insert character laughing about a "millionaire gamer-bro douchebag" getting robbed (a reference to PewDiePie, who was robbed in early December, 2019). Her co-worker, a white male character whose nametag reads "New Guy," asks her, "Hey, how'd you like it if you were robbed?" Mallorie's self-insert sarcastically tells the guy they could be friends only to say "Hell no" when he asks for confirmation. Many people wound up sympathizing more with the New Guy's empathy than the ostensible protagonist's schadenfreude and sarcasm. Starting in 2020, "New Guy" was taken by Twitter users as a symbol of empathy, even trending on the site.

Edited by HighCrate on Jan 5th 2020 at 3:45:20 AM

Thank you! I didn't even know schadenfreude was a word.

Updated. Thank you, my previous edit felt like it was taking sides or even attacking the girl, which is why I came here first.

Leave it to the Germans to come up with a word describing the pleasure you feel in the misfortune of others. (-:

I added this to WesternAnimation.Peter Pan And The Pirates, checking it fits:

• Adaptational Nice Guy: Although it's a stretch to call Hook "nice", in this continuity he's been given some redeeming features, and is more of a Friendly Enemy to Peter Pan than the usual hero-and-villain dynamic. But, this is more downplayed, as he still has elements of his core persona, despite the Darker and Edgier setting.

From YMMV.Baba Is You:

• Unwinnable by Insanity: In older versions of the game, by going well out of one's way to ignore the puzzle and assemble contradictory rules, it was possible to create an unresolvable loop that crashed the game in Chasm-3, "Broken". Later versions patched this out by recognizing the loop and making it an in-universe Reality-Breaking Paradox that can be backed out of normally.

Things that only crash the game don't count as unwinnable, right? As far as I know, it doesn't corrupt your save file or anything like that.

Proper Lady in Professional Wrestling. See also here.

I think all the examples in the folder are misuse. Asking you to evaluate all examples at once is probably too much (it's a Wall of Text).

So just one example.

• referring to oneself as a lady doesn't make one a lady, let alone a Proper Lady
• slut-shaming and name-calling other women who are supposed to be her opponents is not very demure and lady-like
• her costume (wearing purple, scarves, white shirt + black tie + long black skirt) might signify a proper lady, but it's the problem most personal appearance/costume tropes have — it can be used to strengthen the trope visually, but it can't be the only defining trait

So is she an example? Personally I think it's misuse. ^note Defining traits of Proper Lady (as I see it; the description of the trope is overly long and a bit rambling) — being feminine, delicate, humble and modest, selfless and self-sacrificing, acting for the benefit of one's family, especially husband and children, or father and siblings, or nieces and nephews if she happens to be unmarried; usually upper-class and if not, girls/women trying to be as dignified and angelic as upper-class ladies.

Edited by XFllo on Jan 10th 2020 at 12:14:50 PM

I'd say OK to delete. Strays too far from Proper Lady

Thanks you very, very much for your feedback.

YMMV.South Park

• Acceptable Targets: Everyone and everything on the planet, at one point or another, has been lampooned on the show, even the show itself.
  • Out of everyone they've ridiculed, favored butt-monkeys include hippies, Ben Affleck (at least until Argo came out), and Barbra Streisand.

My impression is that this that it's about targets audiences find acceptable. But the entry is about the show finding them assertable which doesn't sound YMMV. ALL the Acceptable Targets entries I've seen are written as the work treating them as assertable, not audiences.

Is there some element that makes this YMMV I'm missing? (Is it because audiences would object to this if not for their being acceptable? None I've seen are written that way. That seems like chairs and speculating how audiences would have reacted differently seems too contentious even for YMMV.

I'm considering taking this to TRS per ATT, but want to be sure there's something we're missing.

Found this on Film.No Tears For The Dead. For now it's commented out. Does it fit either of these two tropes? Obviously I can't let it stay as-is...

• Earn Your Happy Ending/"Ray of Hope" Ending: Even though Chaoz had an opportunity to shoot Mo-gyeong, he spares her and leaves the Ventura Holdings building with a severely wounded Gon in tow while the major bad guys are dead.

I'd leave it commented out, with fixed example indentation.

Are these tropes mutually exclusive? It seems like it should at least from the perspective of one character, so only one of those trope should be used. It's a bit weird, though — it explains what happens in the story, but it isn't clear how and if the tropes applies. For instance, for Earn Your Happy Ending, the hero(ine) is supposed to work hard on their happily-ever-after and it should feel like they really deserved it. It's impossible to tell from this context.

Perhaps it would be okay to remove it from the page and move it to the discussion page.

Is a character still a Child Hater if they don't hate children, but hate babies specifically? Is there a Baby Hater trope? After asking on Ask The Tropers, I've added the trope for Nimrod from Children of the Lamp and said it was downplayed since he really only hates babies and gets along fine with his (almost teenaged) niece and nephew, but someone also directed me to this thread so I wanted to be sure.

See, that's what I would do if I believe any of the tropes actually fit the example. I'm asking because I don't know if the tropes are being used properly.

Are these misuse of Adaptational Attractiveness? According to the troper who deleted them, Adaptational Attractiveness is for when a character is made more attractive in-universe, not just from a fan's POV.

From Characters.Harvest Moon Mineral Town:

• Adaptational Attractiveness: Became just a little more conventionally pretty in the Friends of Mineral Town remake.
• Adaptational Attractiveness: Was a little more cleaned up in terms of appearance in the Friends of Mineral Town remake.
• Adaptational Attractiveness: Downplayed. His untidy hair and heavy eyebrows were cleaned up in the Friends of Mineral Town remake, though his face is a bit plainer and less Bishōnen.
• Adaptational Attractiveness: Was made more humanoid in the Friends of Mineral Town remake.

at War Jay 77 re those ending tropes:

Me not knowing the work, I can't offer a better feedback. Just deleting it seems okay. Nothing wrong with that — with an edit reason, it'll be clear it's done with best intentions; and moving the example(s) to the discussion page is even better than just removing them because someone might see it and move it back with better context if it actually fits (even considering that the discussion pages are rarely used now).

Seems like misuse to me, too. Especially if it's adaptation from literature/animation to live-action format. Adaptational attractiveness is almost universal in this case, and being slightly prettier or a bit tidier in appearance is actually standard/not that relevant. My two cents.

Edited by XFllo on Jan 10th 2020 at 11:31:09 AM

As far as I know, we don't have a Baby Hater trope. That would be too specific and too narrow.

That case is almost certainly an example of Child Hater. (Only if the character hates onl one particular baby, then I guess it will not count.) Tropes Are Flexible. Hating babies, or being uncomfortable around babies and disliking them because of it is very much in the spirit of the Child Hater.

Teenagers are more grownup and almost adults, so that's fine in my book.

(Perhaps we might have a separate trope for characters who are nervous and uncomfortable around babies because they are so vulnerable and fragile and they are worried they might hurt them. Not irrational hatred, just some fear and awkwardness. That might make sense.)

Edited by XFllo on Jan 10th 2020 at 12:12:22 PM

Is this the correct usage of Canon Foreigner, or is it Square Peg Round Trope for this example from WesternAnimation.Harvey Street Kids, of which I'm only vaguely familiar with:

• Canon Foreigner: Bobby, The Bow, Fredo, Frufru, and Pinkeye were characters created for the show. Also played with, since the "Audrey", "Lotta", and "Dot" of this show are not the originals, but original characters that just happen to have the same names and similar looks.

Shouldn't it be a different trope for original characters with same name and similar looks, and just the first list for Canon Foreigner?

Seconded. I don't believe Adaptational Attractiveness necessarily needs to be commented on in-universe, but those seem pretty iffy and subjective.

Came across this in I Know Madden Kombat

• Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: Harry uses his Quidditch skills to help him win the first task in the Triwzard Tournament. He uses his masterful flying to avoid the dragon and his flames, the Wronski Feint (a complicated technique which he had only learned a few months earlier) and seeker skill to scoop up the egg the moment the dragon moved away from it.

Harry isn't really fighting the dragon though, he's just luring it away from the egg. I don't think this actually counts, does it?

The description of Adaptational Attractiveness doesn't say it needs to be acknowledged by characters, but those Harvest Moon examples lack context.

This example from Captain Ersatz is one I'm not sure about, even if Tropes Are Flexible, should it go on No Celebrities Were Harmed or be cut entirely.

Here's the entry:

• In the late 80s and 90s, every major US city that didn't air The Howard Stern Show had a Howard Stern Imitator at some point. Mark & Brian (LA), Lex & Terry (Dallas), Paul & Young Ron (Miami), and Opie and Anthony(Boston) were the biggest. When the Stern Show would enter their markets, very often locals listening for the first time thought he was the imitator of them and just had a black (or female, since not everyone realized Robin Quivers is Black) sidekick.

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Jan 11th 2020 at 12:44:43 PM

Does this count? The current version has a "Standard" difficulty, with an Easy of "Elementary", and a Hard of "Graduate".

"Graduate" was the original difficulty... I suppose it counts as a rare form of Played With only possible through Updated Re Release?

Easier Than Easy:

Edited by Malady on Jan 11th 2020 at 8:16:46 AM

Sounds like a case of Examples Are Not General, since it's about multiple different shows.

I think it could count.