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openZero Context Example and Bullet points
When commenting out a single ZCE in a trope with two bullet points, is it better to hide the ZCE and keep the example looking like it has only one bullet point, or change so it looks like a trope with a single example and leaving the ZCE as a commented out bullet point?
To illustrate:
* Trope:
** Actual example
%% ** ZCE
or
* Trope: Actual example
%% ** ZCE
Which one is better, or correct? Edited by BlackMage43
open Characters.DanganRonpaColorfulKillers... What is this for?
Characters.Dangan Ronpa Colorful Killers... What is this for?
Oh, a cut fanfic, where this wasn't cut... Well, cutting then.
Edited by MaladyopenScarface - Discussion in CBD trope? Film
Hi folks - never posted to Ask before, so apologies if I do this wrong. The troper WELCOME_BRIGADOR and I have been talking over on the trope page for Scarface, specifically about the trope Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. W_B favors the following text as a way of providing context for the use of CBD in the work:
"Chronic Backstabbing Disorder: heavily implied with Sosa. When "bro"-saying Nuyoricans - who are NEVER white - criticize types for being fake Hispanic, it's usually types like him. He behaves very strangely around Tony, like he's ready to throw him under the bus, but never says it to his face. Compare this to the white Frank Lopez, who at least threatens him to his face, quite a couple of times, when he's upset with him. Same with Omar Suarez, also white, Germanic, Visigothic surname, as is Lopez, who was actually openly hostile to Tony the entire time."
I favor cutting most of that as hard-to-follow and not relevant to whether/how the film satisfies the trope. We talked for a bit on the Discussion page, and both agreed that we would like perspectives from a third party. Help?
Edited by IrkedopenExample that admits to not being a real example? Videogame
From Sackboy's entry on Characters.Play Station All Stars Battle Royale First Party Starter
- Creepy Doll: Minus the creepy part.
What does that mean? Is this even a valid example?
open South Park / Stan Marsh
What happened to the South Park page? Why is it called Stan Marsh? See here, South Park
Edited by annette12openWhat an Idiot misuse?
WhatAnIdiot.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic has a folder for general examples. They're redundant With Talking Is a Free Action and Forgot About His Powers. And there's these two suspect examples:
- Equestria is a land of magic. Since magic is so prevalent, it comes as no surprise that many of its villains have figured out various ways to corrupt and/or neutralize it. Given the wildly conflicting personalities present within the Mane Six, it's not always guaranteed that they will be able to utilize The Power of Friendship until after the villain has already thrashed them, destroyed the countryside, filed the paperwork, and picked out a throne to begin his rule over Equestria. You'd Think: Our little ponies would maintain a proper military instead of relying on the untrained Mane Six, and then develop and utilize both magical and non-magical weapons and defenses. For example, outfitting Canterlot with point-defense cannons to guard against attacks by airship. Or, seeing as how every single pony with the word "princess" in her name is a priority target, posting snipers and armed security guards to cover every major event involving them. Or rocket launchers (with triggers big enough for hooves to pull) to blow Anti-Magic villains to pieces. Instead: They only ever fight using magical attacks and defenses (at many points after they've already seen that magic has zero effect on that particular villain), and rely heavily on The Power of Friendship and The Power of Love to save the day after the bad guy's all but won. You'd Then Expect: For at least one villain to just knock one or more of the Mane Six out. Problem Solved, Series Over. Instead: The villains just incapacitate them or break their spirits, an impermanent solution.
The level of violence and military logic for the former to work would be impossible to implement given the shows target demographic. I don't know of any other examples where solutions too outside the tone of the show to realistically consider are considered idiotic. The latter has the same problem as...
- While the magic of friendship is incredibly powerful, Twilight herself (unlike Rarity) has little fighting skills or experience. She's the most powerful magic caster in Equestria, but she fits into the bill of Unskilled, but Strong. You'd Think: While Twilight is giving a speech about friendship, the current villain would just confront her physically, knock her out, and abduct her away from her friends and/or the Villain-Beating Artifact, leaving her completely defenseless. Problem Solved, Series Over. Instead: While Tirek, Starlight, and Sunset DO confront Twilight physically, none of them bothers with the "abduct Twilight away from her friends or instant-win artifact" part. The only ones who do capture Twilight at different points are Queen Chrysalis (who also captured everypony else of importance) and Tempest Shadow, and even then only Chrysalis actually bothered with knocking her unconscious. Even then, refer back to the above passage to see how she failed to do the same with Starlight.
Nearly all those villains were those Locked Out of the Loop who didn't know who they are or their powers worked that way. Those who did know were those with the cunning or power such they successfully dealt with them all at once rendering that irrelevant. The described examples can go under the individual episodes/work.
Should those be removed? I also asked What An Idiot cleanup but it looks fairly inactive.
openCross Wink Links Won't Work Webcomic
I'm trying to do cross wink links for The Webcomic Muted. I'm trying to put a link under the abusive parents page, but even though I put the title in like the other entries, it doesnt like to Muted's tv tropes page. What am I missing? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AbusiveParents/WebComics
open Gym tribune closes over a girl Live Action TV
There is a TV show when in a scene, a bully girl(if I remember well) goes under a tribune and someone pushes the button that closes the tribune and traps her there , she after gets a cast on her body
openLanguage specific trope
Can I put a trope that only apply to one particular translation of a media ? Like what if there was a meme that only sprouted in one specific language ? Can I put Memetic Mutation and possibly Ascended Meme even if it's not from the original language ?
Edited by jOSEFdelavilleopenUnintentionally Unsympathetic misuse?
UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Western Animation
- Jesus christ, the Diamond Authority, especially White Diamond They had been set up as purely sociopathic villains with no redeeming qualities with the exception of Blue, with White Diamond in particular draining the life force of her OWN children in an attempt to fight Steven. While they were clearly intended to be villains, that alone doesn't put up the fact that they murdered millions of their own citizens, corrupted their minds, and used their OWN corpses in order to destroy one of thousands of planets they had already annihilated for resources. During the Human Zoo arc, they are depicted as being torn up for their sisters's (faked) death, and somehow depicted as sympathetic by the show, including Yellow Diamond, who is still a completely and utterly emotionally dead psychopath. It gets worse with White Diamond, who was advertised up to this point as being a Complete Monster in tier with Ragyo Kuryuin, who is explicitly meant to draw up comparisons to nazi white supremacy, and imprisoned her youngest daughter for decades at a time. Then, after nearly killing him, Steven convinces her to drop all the horrible, repulsive things she's done because she blushed a different color, revealing herself to be a hypocrite. She goes completely back on her word and willingly turns Homeworld into a republic solely because of this, and is depicted as an adorably doting grandmother for Steven in the movie. Needless to say, a lot of fans were absolutely outraged at how easily the show had rehabilitated a horrible dictator, since Jasper and Lars had been depicted as being far more realistically in that regard.
I toned down some of complaining, but I question if it's an example given it's a notoriously controversial issue. I believe it's misused (at least as written) as this trope must explain why they were supposed to be seen as sympathetic despite the circumstances . Those traits are why they were supposed be be unsympathetic as villain until they begin to redeem themselves. It's just complaining about being Easily Forgiven. From my limited understanding of the series it sounds like it exaggerating their negative personality traits.
I've asked Unintentionally Unsympathetic cleanup but it's been inactive for the last few days and this looks like a big contentious issue.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenIs this an edit war (hypothetically)?
For instance, let's say I'm editing a page for a show called Alice and Bob. I add an example like this:
- Big Friendly Dog: Fido is a Great Dane and very friendly, as demonstrated in "The Episode" where he lets Amy sleep next to him.
Another troper then comes along and adds, '...and in "Another Episode", where he licks Alice's face."
However, I've seen that episode and know that it was actually Bob whose face got licked by Fido, so I edit "Alice's" to "Bob's", with the Edit Reason: "It was Bob who got licked by Fido".
Would that be an Edit War?
openPurpose of Square Peg Round Trope examples?
For what reason on Square Peg, Round Trope are examples of tropes being misused listed? It kind of reminds me of similar pages like License to Whine, which listed tropes that attracted complaining (when said tropes should instead go through TRS to get the problem solved).
open Animated/CG mini series and a "mon" toys and cartoon. Western Animation
I had been thinking about for quite sometime but couldn't remember their name.
The first one is a 2D/3D animated mini series about 2 students and a I.T teacher discover bug like creatures in a cyber space in their computer. They can have them battle and even one is blasted to pieces revive after the fight. I.T teacher invite a mobile device which the students can check and battle each other.
The second is difficult to remember but I can gather is about a group of protagonists hunting these animals that have been mutate by what I presume to be extraterrestrial virus. They can even use them to fight against other group that to use them to conquer the world. One of the protagonists had this mutant polar bear with icicles for spikes and claws. The same protagonist had a Dad, who I think is studying whatever mutate the animals. I think that they had a toy of different creatures each inside a cylinder shaped container.
I understand that it might be difficult to understand but this is all I can remember.
openCut RL examples from Fun T-Shirt?
The Real Life section for Fun T-Shirt seems like People Sit on Chairs. Should it be removed from the page?
openQuestionable edits in YMMV.Arknights Videogame
So to give context to the YMMV edits I want to discuss, Arknights is a work where the primary conflict centers around fighting the Reunion Movement, a group angrily lashing out at the world governments for treating people infected with the fantasy disease as lower-class citizens and/or outright inhuman. So there's an entry on the page for Applicability as to how it can be interpreted as analogous to real life politics.
It goes on into a tangent about their aesthetic, which is debatably comparable to real life movements.
And DeadmansHand92x45 added their response to the entry in the middle (which seems like a definite violation by having Conversation in the Main Page)
The part of the entry they're responding to
Deadmans Hand92x 45's addition
Their objection is very politically charged in what they're saying and I'm not really sure how to handle this, other than removing all the tangents altogether, so asking here for feedback.
Edited by NouctopenYMMV.Roblox covering controversies surrounding users/their creations
YMMV.Roblox has several entries that aren't about Roblox as a whole, but rather individual user creations or the users themselves. Now Roblox is pretty much a gaming platform in its current evolved state and only a few of the created games have individual pages, so I assume that the YMMV page is considered the best place to put reactions to individual stuff without a page... except a lot are placed in rather unflattering tropes like It's Hard, So It Sucks! and Overshadowed by Controversy with these often being the only places where those games or users are discussed on the page (i.e. Rogue Lineage is only discussed in It's Hard, So It Sucks! while Jailbreak at least gets two other mentions elsewhere that don't feel like people trying to complain). The Overshadowed by Controversy entries in particular feel kind of dubious to me because I'm unsure about if certain things being overshadowed in a gaming platform that is remembered for far more than any controversies is valid or not (and while the Ready Player One event was an official game-wide thing rather than a user creation, its entry feels a little questionable too since everyone forgot about it like a month later and r0cu isn't dead since his last Twitter post was 15 hours before this post). I've been doing edits on Roblox's YMMV page for a while now to add audience reactions (often not my own, but rather the views of others) about game-wide things and to change some stuff that felt like blatant complaining, but I don't know what to do here because most of the views are valid and would be fine on pages devoted to them, but they might not belong on a page covering an entire gaming platform as opposed to individual games. What do you guys think?
openHypocrite vs Moral Myopia
What is the distinction between Hypocrite and Moral Myopia? My impression is:
- Moral Myopia is only for villains, their hypocrisy being intentional to establish we’re supposed to dislike them.
- Moral Dissonance is for heroes Unintentionally Unsympathetic as their hypocrites are unintentional due to bad writing.
So is Hypocrite for examples not reprehensible enough to make them villains but too minor and/or deliberate to fall under Dissonance?
Is Hypocrite like Jerkass where it should only be used if it’s sub-tropes don’t fit?
openGirl Genius Webcomic
On the work page of Girl Genius, there was this line in the description:
"Look over the Girl Genius character sheet, or talk about the comic in our discussion forum for Girl Genius."
I removed the link to the character sheet, as it's redundant and I was told they have to be removed; however, what's the deal with the link to the forums? Is that allowed? I'm asking because Girl Genius seems to be very popoular on TV Tropes (over 3000 wicks and Image Source for 36 tropes) so I'm not understanding if that link to the forum is something that kept going past the radar for years, or it was allowed by someone.
He DID write a book or 2, and DID do acting roles, but he's most famous as a basketball player, and the other ones like Michael Jordan and LeBron James are Useful Notes pages.