To-do list:
- Since this was disambiguated between Combat Tentacles, Lightning Lash, Tail Slap, Vine Tentacles, Weapon-Based Characterization, Weapon Specialization, and possibly other tropes, move wicks that fit other tropes accordingly, and remove Chairs-y examples.
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Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes.Macron's OP
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. I conducted a wick check and most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes.Wick Check Percentages
- Just whip as a weapon—13 wicks~~~26%
- Character carries a whip for the aesthetic—2 wicks~~~4%
- Covered by Other Tropes—22 wicks (including two of the wicks from the "Multiple entries" category) ~~~44%
- Whip It Good + additional context—4 wicks~~~8%
- Other~~~2%
- ZCE/Insufficient Context—10 wicks (including two of the wicks from the "Multiple entries" category") ~~~20%
Solution
I think the best course of action would be to disambiguate Whip It Good with the following:and yard the Whip of Dominance concept because I didn't find enough good examples on that.
Wick Check
- Characters.Between My Brother And Me Ab Inito: Carries a whip which she uses to lashes out at Molly.
- Characters.Kamen Rider Revice Happy Spa: Under Prehensile Hair "Her ponytail can be extended and used as a whip"(pothole)
- Characters.Lulus Bizarre Rebellion Britannia: He pulls out a whip during the final battle.
- Characters.Dungeons And Dragons Classes Fourth Edition Classes: Under Evil Weapon— Gloom Pact Whips it good with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Film.The Jade Faced Assassin:The oldest sister of the Chang Clan uses a whip in her fight scenes.
- Funny.Dragon Quest The Adventure Of Dai: Flora takes them down in one fell swoop with her whip
- Funny.Tiger Mask W: And one of the wrestlers tries and asks her out until Miss X whips him in the ass (pothole) and sends him back to train.
- ImprobableWeaponUser.Video Games: Namu Amida Butsu! -UTENA-: Kongōman Bosatsu "Leader" has a very long flower garland, which he uses in battle as if it's a whip.
- Manga.Cowa: One human mook uses a whip as a weapon.
- VideoGame.Dark Devotion: Whips are one of the available weapon types.
- VideoGame.Salt And Sanctuary: Whips are available in this game as well, and they scale primarily with Dexterity.
- VideoGame.Unexplored: One of the weapon types. You can also get a Flaming Whip by killing the Balrog.
- Raggedy Ann & Andy: A Musical Adventure: Under Action Girl: Babette is very much a Damsel in Distress in the earlier parts of the story but by the climax [[spoiler: has taken over the pirate ship and is wielding a whip(pothole)
- Characters.Galaxy Angel Video Games: Though she never actually uses it, she's often seen holding a crop.
- Characters.Wooden Overcoats: She carries a whip with her everywhere, though she doesn't seem to use it on the animals.
- Arsenal Attire: In Brave10, both Rokuro and Nanakuma hide their combination whip/rope darts Hidden Weapons
- Characters.Batman Beyond One Shot Villains: The source of his name comes from the robotic whips he had Corso install in his wrists.
- Characters.Common Sense: Vine Whip, though primarily used for restraining and retrieving. Vine Tentacles
- Characters.Digimon World Infamy Coal And His Family: Naturally has the ability to use her extending vines as whips, although nobody probably expected her to start playfully, or semi-playfully, whipping her twin brother a few minutes after being born.(Vine Tentacles)
- Characters.Dungeon Fighter Online Players:Can whip her summons and party members to beef up their stats. Status Buff
- Characters.Fire Emblem On Forums Classes: One of the signature weapons of the Jester line. Weapon Specialization.
- Characters.Going Another Way: Shamsel can use her two long tentacles like whips. Difference is that these things can also slice through almost everything. Combat Tentacles
- Characters.Kamen Rider Den O Movie Exclusive Characters: His weapon of choice is a whip, which he uses to also scatter about exploding tops. (Weapon Specialization)
- Characters.Kaiten Mutenmaru: Meer wields a pair of whips in combat. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Overwatch Roadhog: His infamous hook deals 30 points of damage and can kill low-health enemies. His hook essentially acts like a lasso to drag and stun enemies into range for a point-blank shot of his Scrap Gun. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Ranma One Half Major Story Arc Characters: Ebiten's primary means of attack is lashing his foe with his fishing rod's line so that it slices their flesh. He also uses a minor version to capture Akane, sending the line out to grab her by her arm and pull her to the spot in which the group is. Rod And Reel Repurposed
- Characters.Vindictus: Her alternative primary weapon is a spellwhip, which grants her smash attacks and focuses her mana into close and medium range attacks. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.With A Snap: Her main weapon. Bare minimum context but it fits Weapon Specialization.
- ComicBook.Jonah Hex: Stiletta from Hex was an expert with a whip. Weapon Specialization
- Fanfic.The Black Emperor: Lelouch's first Ace Custom, the Raijin, has a pair of whips that can be electrified. Lightning Lash
- Fanfic.Storm Hawks Fan Third Season: Dr. Sins main weapons are whips.Weapon Specialization
- Manga.Takeru:Ogyokura dual wields beam whips. Dual Wielding
- Sandbox.Hellfire: City of Heroes soon-to-be-released Demon Summoning powerset for Masterminds has a few demons that attack with hellfire, as well as giving the Mastermind a whip made of it (pothole). Elemental Weapon
- VideoGame.Nitemare 3 D: The weapon of choice for the stone-wall living statues. Weapon Specialization
- WMG.Kamen Rider OOO: Wani probably grows a tail for Whip It Good (Tail Slap)
- Characters.One For All And Eight For The Ninth: His Quirk lets him create whips of a black material, which he can use to bring targets close or more around.
- Characters.Stormwatch Backlash: As a result of his Kherubim heritage and his exposure to the Gen Factor, Marc Slayton can sprout whips of psionic energy from his forearms.
- DisproportionateRetribution.Literature: [spoiler:Ryker]] prepares a bath for Tierney, complete with flowers in the bathwater. She is left speechless, because back home, bathing with flowers is considered a sin and punishable by whipping.
- FistOfTheNorthStar.Tropes Q To Z:
- Uighur is a huge, huge man running a prison, so the theme of control and enslavement is still there but without any of the usual vampiness associated with whips. In fact, he's presented as a serious martial artist (well, as serious as you can be if you're not named Kenshiro, Toki, Raoh, Souther, or Rei anyway).
- A military-style minor villain from one of the earlier episodes also wields one capable of slicing people in half. For all the good it does him against Kenshiro. Whip indicates dominance
- TabletopGame.Fortune And Glory: Probably the closest this game comes to directly referencing Indiana Jones is the Gear card "Bull Whip". It gives a combat modifier, and can be risked for a chance to change the outcome of a fight.
- Trivia.Devo: Trope Namers entry.
- Characters.Spiral Chaos Characters:
- Under Aruta Catus: Just the trope name
- Under Alice: She can use her tail as a whip, mostly in her first attack, Pendulum Arrow. Tail Slap
- Under Isabella "Ivy" Valentine: Just the Trope Name
- Under Plum: Her Pakkun Whip, used in many of her attacks, including her map move. Weapon Specialization
- Characters.Bravest Warriors: Her Cat Lashes.
- Characters.Firestorm DC Comics: His ropes can be used for this.
- Characters.Sharpe: Berry is eager to use a riding crop on Josefina.
Berry: The Countess has been very naughty, making eyes at Sharpe, making a fool of Sir Henry and calling herself a countess. Very naughty indeed. Naughty girls get spanked and put to bed.
- Characters.Super RWBY Sisters RWBY Characters: Whips it good (pothole) with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Characters.Tropers The Series: What one seal would have tried on Ladro had they not been left Behind the Black.
- VideoGame.The King Of Fighters 99: Leona Heidern, Ralf Jones and Clark Still return on a new mission, joined by the mercenary Whip(pothole).
- VideoGame.The King Of Fighters XIV: Whip(pothole), Ryuji Yamazaki, Vanessa and Rock Howard
- WMG.Ace Attorney: She charmed a national ambassador who's twice her age within hours, made even Franziska(pothole) and Detective Badd show softness with her.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 14th 2023 at 12:09:40 PM
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Paging ~MacronNotes to the thread. Anyway, I agree with disambiguating.
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Disambig. The Whip of Dominance / Whip Of Sadism idea can fit into Weapon-Based Characterization for now. Other examples like Indiana Jones can probably be at Weapon Specialization and Long-Range Fighter.
Edited by Amonimus on Apr 9th 2023 at 8:11:58 PM
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Disambiguate or split
Nevertheless, I don't see, why the use of whips as a waepon is not tropeworthy itself, as this is mostly an untypical and clearly enforced idea of the author and can be seen as a trope itself, even if it a subtrope of weapon specialization
To be clear: The use of whips to show seductiveness or dominance itself as given by this trope here is possibly tropeworthy itself and if we hold it as a trope itself, the meaning should really be clearified.
Weapons themselves aren't tropeworthy because tropes aren't just in the patterns, but in the specific meaning those patterns attach and in the case of weapons, the meanings can be quite different. For example, "character uses a knife" can be done for a whole host of reasons:
- because it was conveniently placed - Improvised Weapon
- to show that they are suspicious/cunning - Devious Daggers (which is a sub trope of Weapon-Based Characterization)
- because they have a distinct preference for the way knives feel and have a unique specialization in it - Weapon Specialization
Those all have different meanings/functions for the narrative/characterization so they shouldn't be lumped together. Similar case here.
On that note, I think disambig-ing and yarding (or sending to the TLP if someone wants to sponsor it) a Weapon-Based Characterization trope for whips for seductive/domineering characters is good.
Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 9th 2023 at 2:55:54 PM
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Splitting isn't an option for reasons already explained in the OP: We don't have enough examples. It has to be done from scratch.
Thinking of other meanings to whips:
- The implausible/Rule of Cool/rule-of-story-convenience ways they are used as weapons/tools in fiction. Grabbing onto stuff, using them to swing like a Grappling-Hook Gun (and the whip easily coming undone afterward for retrieval instead of getting stuck), yanking a gun out of someone's hand, etc. Like a whip version of Implausible Fencing Powers?
- Catwoman's whip, in the context of her cat theme, is reminiscent of a cat tail. Themed Weapon?
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We can yard the Themed Weapon idea.
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Disambig. Implausible Whip Usage might have merit.
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I dunno if I'm fully on the disambiguate train. People using whips as a weapon isn't exactly common the same way a gun or a sword is.
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It's not about commonality, it's about meaninglessness.
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The Man Outside Reality
How is someone using a whip meaningless?
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How is it meaningful?
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Using a whip isn't meaningful on its own, and a disambiguation page would direct people to tropes that apply when there is meaning (such as Weapon-Based Characterization). And yeah, whether something is or isn't Chairs has nothing to do with how common it is, and is solely based on whether it's meaningful.
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I mean if I were fighting some dude trying to attack me with a whip, I'd definitely be keeping my eyes on him the whole time. That's meaningful enough for me.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Eh, I'd say the same of someone using knives, or a sword, or an axe, or a club, or...
These are all just dangerous and relatively uncommon (in modern times) melee weapons. Any other connotation had by a whip is already covered elsewhere.
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Well, it's kind of like having blue hair where it's so unusual that it is likely done with intention, but the same way You Gotta Have Blue Hair had scope/meaningfulness problems, so does this. It is better to find the specific meanings behind the intent
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I agree. Keeping your eyes on your opponent during a fight has nothing to do with what your opponent is wielding and everything to do with staying on your toes. Looking away could leave you vulnerable regardless of what they're wielding.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 10th 2023 at 5:38:26 AM
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I dunno about this one. Unlike axes, I wouldn't consider "Whips as a weapon" chairs because being a weapon isn't the primary purpose of a whip. They're tools of torture and fear.
Using them as an effective weapon is such a wild exaggeration of their purpose that I feel that is notable on its own. It runs on Rule of Cool logic.
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Torture is already covered by A Taste of the Lash I think
Most of the wicks I found were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes when they did have context so I don't see a reason to keep this as a hub for all whip related uses. It's better to have separate tropes for those usages if there are enough examples of them.
As noted above, it's probably less that it's chairs and more that all possible usages of a whip are better being their own trope if they don't exist already. Unless the weapon is pure fantasy or incredibly improbable, I don't think a character using x as a weapon is good enough. I think whips have been treated as weapons in fiction for long enough (this trope has 3k wicks) that it's not that striking to see them
Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 10th 2023 at 7:14:57 AM
Macron's notes
Dressed Like a Dominatrix would be good to add to the potential disambig and catch any "dominatrix-esque character has whip but not necessarily as weapon" usage I think.
Edited by Synchronicity on Apr 10th 2023 at 6:16:48 AM
Crown Description:
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. A wick check determined that most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes. What should be done with Whip It Good?
To-do list:
Original post
Note: This thread was proposed by MacronNotes.Macron's OP
Whip It Good is a trope about the use of whips as a weapon but that isn't tropable on its own. The description notes that whip owners tend to be domineering or seductive but that isn't reflected in most of the on page examples and wicks. I conducted a wick check and most of the examples that weren't ZCE or "whip as a weapon" were covered by other weapon/whip related tropes.Wick Check Percentages
Solution
I think the best course of action would be to disambiguate Whip It Good with the following:and yard the Whip of Dominance concept because I didn't find enough good examples on that.
Wick Check
- Characters.Between My Brother And Me Ab Inito: Carries a whip which she uses to lashes out at Molly.
- Characters.Kamen Rider Revice Happy Spa: Under Prehensile Hair "Her ponytail can be extended and used as a whip"(pothole)
- Characters.Lulus Bizarre Rebellion Britannia: He pulls out a whip during the final battle.
- Characters.Dungeons And Dragons Classes Fourth Edition Classes: Under Evil Weapon— Gloom Pact Whips it good with the Scourge of Exquisite Agony.
- Film.The Jade Faced Assassin:The oldest sister of the Chang Clan uses a whip in her fight scenes.
- Funny.Dragon Quest The Adventure Of Dai: Flora takes them down in one fell swoop with her whip
(pothole)Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 14th 2023 at 12:09:40 PM
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