Duplicate Trope: Human Mom Nonhuman Dad

This was previously brought up in Trope Talk.

Human Mom, Non-Human Dad's description indicates that a Half-Human Hybrid with a human mother is more common than the reverse because Women Are Delicate: we're more familiar with human childbirth, there's something romantic about a human woman being ravished by a monster, and it's easier to imagine a deadbeat nonhuman dad than a deadbeat nonhuman mom, since the human mother must carry the child to term.

This gender dynamic is not reflected in the examples, as seen in the wick check (reposting here).

Results

• Just lists parents species: 34/50 (24 "straight" + 6 "inverted")
• Attributes some meaning to the dynamic: 4/50
• ZCE, partial context: 16/50

In practice, the trope is redundant with Half-Human Hybrid, as further evidenced by the relative commonality of "inverted" examples (human father, nonhuman mother). Some examples also go better on more specific tropes that have arisen in the meantime, such as Human-Demon Hybrid, Semi-Divine, and Hybrid All Along. In addition, as ~Water Blap has mentioned here, concerns about it being The Same, but More Specific to Half-Human Hybrid have been around since its inception, but were unaddressed.

Potential courses of action:

• Merged and redirect to Half-Human Hybrid and examples moved appropriately; any gender dynamics commentary can go on Analysis.Half Human Hybrid. (my choice)
• Redefine the trope as a Trope in Aggregate about the tendency of women to be the more beautiful/delicate partner in an Interspecies Romance (proposed in the Trope Talk thread)

The Trope Talk discussion suggested that the concept of a half-human who is pro-humanity thanks to the love of their human mother might be salvageable, but it would have to start from scratch. There might also be room for some 'gender dynamics in Interspecies Romance' supertrope.

Edited by Synchronicity on Feb 17th 2022 at 10:07:22 AM

Opening. I tagged the trope page as well.

I am good with doing the first option. Gender based commentary can be safely moved to an Analysis page.

Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 17th 2022 at 11:17:52 AM

Merge + Analysis page.

I agree with the first option, too. I think yarding some of these other ideas would be a good, additional option.

Merge + Analysis for me

Merge + Analysis

Edited by Adept on Feb 19th 2022 at 11:46:57 PM

Merge + analysis

EDIT: And yard any other tropeworthy ideas as suggested by Water Blap.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 18th 2022 at 8:56:33 AM

+1 for merge + Analysis

It feels like this trope is pretty much covered under Half-Human Hybrid and Lineage Comes from the Father

Maybe we could disambiguate instead of redirecting.

As the vast majority of the use is just Half-Human Hybrid, I don't think it's worth disambiguating.

Fair enough.

I'm also not sure if lineage really has anything to do with it... I mean, there's a difference between literal genetics and identifying as part of a specific family lineage.

I think the "identifying as part of a lineage" elements were added much later in an attempt to fix the trope. But the current use is mostly "mother is human, father is nonhuman," rather than something about the identity of the child.

Here are some tropeable ideas that may be yarded (assuming we don't already have them):

• The half-human child is raised by the human parent (usually the mother) and is sympathetic to humans or is "too human" to live with the non-human parent (usually the father). Conflict or drama occurs as a metaphor for child custody battles, assuming it doesn't literally become a "Fantastic Custody Battle."
• The half-human child is raised by the non-human parent (father) and is unsympathetic to humans or is "too wild-like" to live with the human parent (mother). Conflict or drama occurs in a number of ways, such as either the non-human parent dies and the other non-humans return the child to its other parent or the non-human parent returns to the human one with the child. This may be an exaggerated version of Raised by Wolves.
• The genetics of the half-human child is dominated by one parent, making him/her indistinguishable as either a human or the non-human species. This may be Lineage Comes from the Father if not a supertrope concerning artistic license about lineage.
  • For example, the half-Viltrumite half-human hybrid main character in Invincible is genetically "indistinguishable" from full-blooded Viltrumites.
• A general "Hybrid Parentage Plot" trope, or an exampleless supertrope for the following (more specific) tropes.
  • There's conflict between the parents or their two families over how to raise the child.
  • There's conflict between the child and his/her parents about how he/she was raised, perhaps as a metaphor for interracial couples or adoptive parents raising their children.
  • There's conflict between the hybrid family and the local town once the non-human parent is discovered.
  • One of the parents (usually the non-human one) abandoned the family and the other (usually human) parent raises their child. Conflict occurs either when the child develops his/her non-human traits (if living with the human parent) or when the child tries to leave home to find the other parent.

I'm not sure how much of that is already in the wicks for Human Mom Non Human Dad, but I'm assuming that if it's for the salvage yard then it'll be helpful to inspire a TLP drafter at some point.

3: Either/Or Offspring? (In Mark’s case it helps that his dad is a Human Alien)

4: Child of Two Worlds?

"There's conflict between the hybrid family and the local town once the non-human parent is discovered" sounds like Half-Breed Discrimination and/or Maligned Mixed Marriage.

We also have Half-Breed Angst.

All I can say is I tried to cast a wide net. (more pensive than sad)

Are there any (other) yard-able ideas from this?

I moved a decent chunk of the description to Analysis.Half Human Hybrid. I didn't touch any of the on-page examples or wicks.

Edit: Oh, and I indexed the Analysis page because I forgot Analysis wasn't an auto-indexing namespace.

Edit: I moved the examples to Sandbox.Human Mom Nonhuman Dad and turned the main page into a redirect. I figured this would make sorting on-page examples easier because then we could delete examples that have already been accounted for (this is how Contemptible Cover's merge with Covers Always Lie is being handled).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2022 at 10:25:29 AM

Got rid of Main/: 550 wicks to clean

273 wicks left after knocking out the DarthWiki/ and Fanfic/ namespaces. I'm saving Characters/ for last since it's a character trope.

Edit: OK, now only Characters/ is left. I might be able to get this thread out of the way soon.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 12th 2022 at 4:37:48 AM