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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

Penguin3470 Since: Mar, 2015
#15026: Apr 26th 2015 at 3:55:36 AM

@ Sorantheman It's something about Cure Heart. I originally planned her to be in The Fallen as the Goddess of Revulsion to Staleness, but now that I've seen the reactions, I want to consider putting her into the Disgraces as the Wasted Good Character.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15027: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:13:35 AM

Yeah, what about locking up that Disgraces?

edited 26th Apr '15 4:18:37 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
rin14100 Darkness' old friend from The Guatemala City Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Darkness' old friend
#15028: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:14:32 AM

If I wanted to give a character From Beyond the Fourth Wall, would that be better associated with the character being interacted with, or the player character?

In times of trouble, turn to the Devil for guidance.
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
.....
#15030: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:48:12 AM

PENGUIN3470!!!!!

I gave you a chance to fix yourself and play by the rules. Now what's this? Yet another pushing people to the Disgraces/Fallen!?!? AGAIN!?

Are you thinking that just because it's on YMMV means it's the truth that needs to be put into the Pantheon? All you've given is trying to push Base Breaker characters into the Disgraces. Do you have ANYTHING against them!?

Clearly this proves that there is no way you would like to abide to the rules or get along with the people here. You are not making a point, all you want is to shape this whole Pantheon we worked on together into something that as long as you agree to it, you don't give a fuck to anything else. This will not do. I'll work on something.

.... With this, I may as well ask this... Should we make it a rule that a Base Breaker or Broken Base alone isn't enough to push someone into the Disgraces/Fallen? Note that this is an alternative before we have to roll out the "LOCK DISGRACES/FALLEN" rule.

[down]On second thought, forget what I said. Once something is done to that guy, work on your concept, GM.

edited 26th Apr '15 4:49:58 AM by ChrisX

GM_3826 (Not) A Game Master from Ylisse Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
(Not) A Game Master
#15031: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:48:26 AM

@TPPR Finally, someone has come around to my point of view. Before we lock it up, though, we need to make some changes. Roughly in order of importance:

  • Shinji Matou and Prince Charmles might actually deserve to ASCEND: I've been watching Unlimited Blade Works, and not only is he not nearly as bad as you make him out to be, not only is his Disgracehood presumably based on a route (Heaven's Feel), which has been criticized for having bad writing in general, not just him, but he is fulfilling exactly his role as intended in the story. The evidence for him is overwhelming. Prince Charmles, meanwhile... He's a Jerkass, not some paragon of horrible writing nor completely spot on evil. Plus, he's supposed to be a dick.
  • Johnny Turbo and Anne Mae Sue should both be removed for being parodies. At least, Johnny Turbo is PROBABLY a parody. (Maybe we could ascend Bonk as Yellow Heart's Herald?)
  • Rhymey should be removed because horrible poetry is not worth Disgracehood (As much of a Flat Character he is.)
  • Lastly, and probably the one I'm willing to submit to, Professor Hojo, Aki Honda, Eliza Reagan, Loly Aivirrne and Menoly Mallia, Minami Obuchi, Natsumi Koizumi and Kumi Mouri, Mr. and Mrs. Shun Ayasaki, and Teppei Hojou both fulfill one criteria (Being a special kind of evil) but fail to fulfill the other (Being examples of bad writing.) (OK, maybe not the School Days characters, because Toony isn't willing to defend them, of all people, but you get what I mean.) They seriously challenge what the Disgraces should be, and if the Disgraaces are ever unlocked, then these characters would probably be prime bait for others to ascend.

  1. Chris It's already a rule. For the Disgraces, I mean. For the Fallen? Yes, maybe, but most of the characters who get put in the Fallen actually deserve it...

edited 26th Apr '15 4:54:12 AM by GM_3826

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#15032: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:57:29 AM

OK, everybody STOP.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
.....
#15033: Apr 26th 2015 at 4:59:47 AM

It looks like the Holler button works... too effectively, it seems.

I hope I made the right choice...

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#15034: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:08:43 AM

OK, can someone explain to me what the problem is? Because all we have in the hollers is a vague "this person isn't playing by the rules".

"Yup. That tasted purple."
EDFHemlock Cynical Culture Enthusiast from Why would I reveal this? Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Cynical Culture Enthusiast
#15035: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:08:58 AM

[up][up]Good thing I slept through the giant fiasco.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:09:09 AM by EDFHemlock

Super Happy Fun Time with Monokuma, Lucifer and YHVH
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
.....
#15036: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:22:29 AM

Most of it are added in the Ask The Tropers, but I will do my best to explain, Mr. Mod.

See, the Disgraces and Fallen are kind of a volatile place. Something very similar to the Complete Monster page. It has quickly turned into an orgy of "I don't like this character, so this guy should be in the Disgraces!". A Fan Myopia gone wrong. We were trying to fix that, either by trying to redefine what the Disgraces meant, and/or eventually... locking it, just like Complete Monster.

Then this Penguin guy came.

He kept pushing on his opinion that some characters he doesn't like should be pushed into the Disgraces, even if we kept disagreeing because it's just a Broken Base, they have their own fans as much as their own haters. However, Penguin's reactions are nothing but being a Jerkass and uncaring with how we feel. He kept pushing his opinions that reeks of Fan Myopia, against what we were trying to build upon the Trope Pantheons.

After awhile he annoyed many people, obviously, everyone decided that he should be ignored. But I thought people could change, I mean, fellow troper Toony has shown us that even if one is flawed and have issues like that, they can get along, respect the rules and keep themselves under control. So, I 'kindly' gave a warning to Penguin, saying he should try to play by the rules and especially not being a Jerkass. And he said he'll try.

But not even a week, and then he's back to his old tricks, just towards a new character. And he's still being a Jerkass, even called a fellow troper as an idiot, and then looked like he's playing Strawman Has a Point in an attempt to 'cover' his mistakes or make it look like he's on the side of righteous. Is he even trying in his statement of 'fixing himself'?

I'm not that good at explaining, but... that's the gist of it. Penguin suddenly gave an outrageous idea, we said why it's a bad thing, he kept pushing it to us while looking down at us.

I hope my explanation helps in how we came to this. Perhaps we can also get the input from other tropers. Like HotmanX32, TPPR10, and others here.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:25:05 AM by ChrisX

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15037: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:28:03 AM

The talk about Cure Heart reminded of this one guy who wanted to place these two characters from a series of Precure fanfics for Designated Hero. And, well, it was probably dropped because no one paid attention to it because I am pretty sure they would have landed into the Disgraces. But that is me just remembering stuff.

I admit, I partly want to lock the Disgraces so that my temptation to place Tobias or the Moon Sisters there wouldn't come true.

But on the actual subject, where Penguin has tried to make things better... I cannot say it hasn't worked. Like, he once tried to push this one character from Black Bullet into the Disgraces, which got negative backlash. He has tried to place her properly, but the profile isn't really helping the case. And I think he tried to place this one guy from Puella Magi Madoka Magica for Oblivious to Love after trying to redeem the previous holder, and where we let him try to redeem the previous holder, the replacement was violently dropped.

Though this one is probably the worst. For couple of posts, he has said that Precure hasn't had the best viewer score lately, and what he suggested? That maybe Precure isn't worthy being in the Pantheon. Sorry, but saying that "this show has low viewer score, they don't deserve to be here" is just dumb. And now he wants to demote a perfectly fine character from the Pantheon proper into the Disgraces just because he has a beef with her. So really, he is playing in dangerous waters no matter how many times we say "Don't do that".

I try to not get mad in the internet, but this forum sometimes tests my patience.

[down] We knew that, but I think we suggested giving Puma Man some other trope. I forgot what trope, though. Something to do with him being totally incompetent as a hero, where the two who were mentioned (the names were Blaze and Shadow) are just inhumane to be considered being heroes.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:48:46 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#15038: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:35:30 AM

Huh, I thought Pumaman was already Designated Hero. Or was he put in after that guy tried to put them in?

I can't say that I disagree with locking Disgraces, since discussions tend to turn sour or there's often problematic attempts to toss someone into the disgraces. I mean, someone tried to toss JUSTIN BIEBER in there once.

However, we need to remove certain dudes from the Disgraces before we lock it up. #FREEHOJO

The Fallen can stay unlocked in my opinion, but still needs to be treated with care for obvious reasons.

Also, I have to say that removing someone based on viewer counts or something like that is just silly. By that logic, Asura should be removed because Asura's Wrath didn't sell well.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:37:06 AM by Eldrake

SkyHavenPath13 Half Hope and Half Des-bear from Original Eden Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Half Hope and Half Des-bear
#15039: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:36:37 AM

Retool Ex:

Fiamma of the Right, Wielder of the Holy Right (The Likeness of God, La Persona Superiore A Dio)

Please help me add more. What allies, enemies, and other relations should he have? Should his alignment be Neutral Good?

Also what does anybody think of ascending Reinforce Eins?

Edit: Should Fiamma be in an alliance or no?

edited 26th Apr '15 5:53:52 AM by SkyHavenPath13

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#15040: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:44:28 AM

[up][up][up]This is why I also mentioned Toony in. You know how much she has beef about how we seem to sympathize with Homura Akemi a lot? Well, she DOES flip out a little, but eventually she calms down, and never once she has talked shit about us. (I thought she was also one of those tropers defending Kamijou back then. Now that I think of it, is it also Penguin who tried to shove Kamijou in? If yes... well, how could I miss that?)

Penguin, on the other hand, most of his 'justifying' talks are just sounding condescending as hell and this hits us in the wrongest places ever. I used to have a very short temper in regards of some things, until I took an arrow in the knee, but I've learned to at least calm down and take it to the stride. Penguin, on the other hand, it's like a test of patience dealing with him. He thinks that because it's a Base Breaker or Broken Base, it totally means it's legit to put the guy into the Disgraces.

That is where I thought that the Disgraces is becoming something to toss someone you don't like in the way of Fan Myopia, the same way as Complete Monster, so I decided that maybe it's better if it's locked after we take care of things there.

Remember, guys, we are talking to a mod here, trying to present our case. Let's give it our best.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:45:19 AM by ChrisX

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15041: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:47:24 AM

[up][up] Oh yeah, you. Say, I have been suggesting Kazari Uiharu for What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart, Anyway? but since I don't know the character, I have been waiting if any one can help with it. Can you maybe do it?

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#15042: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:50:08 AM

GM@ First time I'm hearing HF having bad writing. But doesnt UBW route still have Shinji try to raep Rin? Let put him in the unsorted and see what happens after the UBW end and if we get Heaven Feel's route movie.

[up] [up][up]Help you out later.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:51:28 AM by WhirlRX

protocol95 Since: Sep, 2014
#15043: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:51:04 AM

I don't know if it's appropriate for me to speak up, but I am in agreement with the re-examination and at least temporary lock of the disgraces.

Negativity and positivity have their benefits and downsides, and thus both should be balanced carefully. But I believe that the disgraces has long been an easy source for reckless negativity and one that has only become easier for that purpose.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:57:10 AM by protocol95

NeoAnkara from Love Harem Garden Since: Jul, 2012
#15044: Apr 26th 2015 at 5:53:00 AM

@Fiamma Maybe you should add some Christian character like Xenovia or Irina as enemies or some character that come from England. You also mention Superman so maybe you should also mention Aqua of the Back too.

edited 26th Apr '15 5:53:39 AM by NeoAnkara

Harem genre is not only about lust but overflowing love between haremates
HotmanX32 Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#15045: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:09:57 AM

Just a few hours ago on the previous, Penguin first wanted to put Mana Aida in as the Goddess of Revulsion to Staleness to The Fallen (Which I have mentioned earlier in the previous page, is not even a character trope to begin with.), then he wanted to have her replace one of Berri Shirayuki's title of Canon Sue, which everyone protested, and then finally, he wanted to send her into the Disgraces as the Wasted Good Character, which I think is a ridiculous idea. All because a low rating of a show.

edited 26th Apr '15 6:13:55 AM by HotmanX32

Trope Pantheon Story site
WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#15046: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:16:05 AM

Didn't even know Index was actually in the Treasure. She needs more text.

Sky@ Maybe you can talk about who Fiamma is.

edited 26th Apr '15 6:18:36 AM by WhirlRX

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#15047: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:20:31 AM

They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character sounds more like something for The Fallen at worst.

On a different topic. Hey Chris X, I remember you wanting to ascend the Lost Vikings for Vikings (which I approve of by the way. Thorkell's profile is barebones anyway) so my question is just "What are you going to use for their picture?". I'd prefer something like this but I wouldn't mind this if that one works better for what you got in mind for their profile.

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#15048: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:24:40 AM

I am still building up their portfolio by the way, but I think for this time I'd use their HOTS pic. I just need to find a version where they are sticking closer. I mean, that pic is too wide.

@Hotman: ... Uh, remember his previous cases as well? Enju and Kamijou? And how he acted throughout all those? It would make no sense for us to call in the Mod if Mana was his only offense. But he acted the same way before with two cases and he's not getting any better attitude-wise.

edited 26th Apr '15 6:27:41 AM by ChrisX

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#15049: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:30:16 AM

[up][up] Besides, YMMV seems to put emphasis on Alice, not Mana. And that is only slightly.

edited 26th Apr '15 6:32:29 AM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
SkyHavenPath13 Half Hope and Half Des-bear from Original Eden Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Half Hope and Half Des-bear
#15050: Apr 26th 2015 at 6:32:40 AM

[up][up] Got it.

Retool-Ex II:

Fiamma of the Right, Wielder of the Holy Right (The Likeness of God, La Persona Superiore A Dio)

  • Rank: Greater God, bordering on Overdeity, Full-blown Overdeity when he had attained La Persona Superiore A Dio
  • Symbol: The Holy Right manifested as a bird's talon.
  • Alignment: True Neutral, formerly Neutral Evil
  • Portfolio: Having every ability related to the right hand, One Hit Kills, Being of the strongest beings in his universe, attaining the position of ''La Persona Superiore A Dio'' but losing it quickly, Antagonist Abilities including Always Accurate Attack, instant teleportation, and Unblockable Attack, easily dominating everybody he faces, Person of Mass Destruction, turning good when defeated
  • Domains: Faith, Power (can't think of anymore}
  • Allies:
    • Non Ascended: Ollerus
    • Ascended: None so far...
  • Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: Touma Kamijou, (can't think of anymore).
  • Enemies: Index Librorum Prohibitorum, Kaori Kanzaki, Accelerator, Lucifer, YHVH Xenovia Quarta and Irina Shidou, Asia Argento, anyone from England
  • Odd Friendship: Superman
  • Originally the leader of God's Right Seat, after attempting to reach the position of La Persona Superiore A Dio, making the entire human race his enemy, and trying to kill them all to save the world, he ascended after failing and being defeated by Touma Kamijou.
  • With the power of the Holy Right, Fiamma easily ranks as one of the most power magic users in the Pantheon. The Holy Right is the ultimate representation of the right hand in Christianity. As such he is able to use and has every ability related to the right hand. As such, he can destroy an entire city in one swing of his hand, teleport anywhere as long as he has a horizontal plane, and create a Flaming BFS forty kilometers in length. Not only that, but the Holy Right is automatically set so it will always destroy its target and it reaches the target with no speed, thereby making it undodgeable.
    • In addition, The Holy Right also manifests itself as a "Third Arm" which protects Fiamma from any threats against him.
  • Is widely distrusted, mainly from attempting to kill all the humans in his world.
    • Fiamma, despite being a Catholic Christian, has met displeasure from YHVH himself, for even attempting to reach a position above him.
    • Lucifer has also been irritated that Fiamma tried to kill all the humans, calling it a "foolish move". That said, after the latter's HeelFaceTurn, Lucifer has offered him a position within the GUAC. Fiamma as a Christian, had politely turned the offer down.
    • He has also garnered the ire of every god from England, for starting a civil war within their home country, as well as other gods who believe in Christianity.
    • There are some exceptions, though as Superman has attempted to make bygones be bygones. Then again, it's Superman
    • When they first met, Fiamma expressed bewilderment as "Superman" was a moniker of his former ally, Acqua of the Back. When Superman explained about who he was, Fiamma could definitely see some semblance between them.
  • It has been revealed that, Aleister Crowley had ambushed him and weakened, thereby making the Holy Right unstable.
    • Nevertheless, Fiamma is still very powerful. As such he is currently being recruited by Alliances, though with his HeelFaceTurn, he may possibly end up in the GUAG.

My questions still stand: Which gods would he ally with?

Also what does everybody think of ascending Reinforce Eins?

edited 26th Apr '15 6:35:30 AM by SkyHavenPath13


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