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  • Awesome Music: Substance, from start to finish — "Blue Monday," "True Faith," "Bizarre Love Triangle," and "The Perfect Kiss" are especially noteworthy.
    • The original version of Ceremony (on the collector's edition of Movement and the singles discs) on max volume.
    • "Fine Time", "Round and Round", "Run" and other tracks on the Technique album.
    • "Elegia" has gained a fair bit of notoriety for its use in Stranger Things, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain, and More, an Oscar-nominated animated short.
    • Pretty much all of their output from 1982-1989, starting with Power, Corruption and Lies and ending with Technique counts as this trope.
  • The Band Minus the Face: The band without Peter Hook, to an extent. The band deliberately set out not to have a "face", but Hook's distinctive bass sound is conspicuous in its absence. The band's initial refusal to play Joy Division songs was them defying this trope.
    • Though his replacement does play some Hook-esque basslines on a few songs on Music Complete, so it's not a complete example.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: In the middle of the "Bizarre Love Triangle" video the music stops and there's a black-and-white scene (it looks like a movie clip, but was actually made specifically for the video) of a man and a woman having a conversation about reincarnation. And then the music video proper just picks up right where it left off.
  • Broken Base: There's one over which version of "Sub-Culture" is the best. Most prefer the original album version, however there is a significant minority that prefers the single mix that appears on Substance. There's also a smaller third camp that prefer the Razormaid/Sarm West mix that came packaged with an issue of the magazine Record Mirror.
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  • Contested Sequel: Most of the band's post-Republic musical efforts, Crystal being the only exception.
  • Dork Age: Fans will point to either Movement or the post-reunion albums.
  • Ear Worm: "Bizarre Love Triangle" is catchy on an almost ridiculous level.
  • Epic Riff: One writer called the intro to "Blue Monday" "the most recognizable sonic signature of the decade."
    • The opening bass riff to "Bizarre Love Triangle". Okay, it is technically from a synthesizer, but it is still great none the less.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: Goes both ways. Some New Order fans ignore Joy Division, and vice versa.
    • Other common targets:
      • The single mix of "Sub-Culture", which is generally seen as overproduced compared to the minimalist album version.
      • "World in Motion", due to it being significantly Lighter and Softer than New Order's typical material and due to it having a very cheesy rap break in it (which wasn't even written by any of the band members, mind you).
      • Various 90's remixes, particularly the Sly & Robbie mixes of "Ruined in a Day".
      • The post-hiatus albums, which are too guitar-heavy for many fans.
      • Phil Cunningham, due to his nature as a replacement for Gillian Gilbert during her brief retirement and because his appearance coincided with a more guitar-driven direction for New Order up until 2013.
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  • Gateway Series: The band is the entry point into various forms of electronic and dance music for a lot of indie rock fans. Conversely, New Order's also a good entry point into Post-Punk, Goth Rock, and Alternative Rock for fans of dance music and synthpop.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff:
    • "Confusion" was really popular among breakdancers, who likely hadn't heard of Joy Division or Factory Records, to the point where it made the Billboard R&B charts and led to the band's U.S. deal with Quincy Jones' Qwest label.
    • Similarly, "Bizarre Love Triangle" has a cult following among the Asian American community as a dance song. This article posits that it's because of the Narm Charm.
  • Growing the Beard: "Everything's Gone Green" and "Temptation", where the band began to take more influence from electronica rather than copying the old Joy Division sound.
  • Memetic Mutation:
  • More Popular Spin Off: While Joy Division was very well-regarded and influential, New Order was much more commercially successful, at least partially due to their poppier sound but mostly because Joy Division was already on the verge of success prior to Ian Curtis' suicide.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • The cover for the 12-inch of "Blue Monday" is notorious for being so expensive to produce that it lost Factory Records money each time it was sold, but people tend to forget that later pressings swapped out the die-cut sleeve for a cheaper printed one.
    • New Order is notorious as the other band that bankrupted Factory Records by taking too long to record a follow-up to Technique.
    • The band's infamous live appearance on Top of the Pops of "Blue Monday", which was so inept (due to them attempting to perform the song live—on a show that usually required the performers to mime— with naturally temperamental analog synthesizers of the era) that they were one of the few acts to have their single go down on the charts afterward.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • "In a Lonely Place," one of the last songs Joy Division wrote and demoed before Ian Curtis' death; while the New Order re-recording isn't as haunting as the Joy Division demo, it still carries a primeval sound and eerily suicidal lyrics that make it seem like something straight out of the Closer sessions.
    • Being a continuation of their work as Joy Division with very conspicuous Creator Breakdown at play, much of the songs on Movement delve into this.
    • "Murder", a chaotic Post-Punk instrumental with heavy influence from the Closer and Movement sessions, featuring some rather unnerving samples of dialogue from Caligula and 2001: A Space Odyssey. The shouts of "CROWS, CROWS, CROWS, I HATE THEM!" will certainly send chills down your spine.
  • Replacement Scrappy: What many fans think of Gillian's temporary replacement, Phil Cunningham.
  • Seasonal Rot: Their post-reunion albums have had a mixed reception from fans at best. Critics, however, are more kind to the band, save for the polarizing Waiting for the Sirens' Call.
  • So Bad, It's Good:
    • John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion".
    • A lot of YouTube commenters on the band's TOTP live version of "Blue Monday" say they find watching it compelling despite being one of the worst live renditions ever.
  • Song Association: After being featured in the infamous Shock Site video "1 Lunatic 1 Ice Pick" (which depicts the graphic real-life murder of a Chinese exchange student in Canada), many are unable to shake off the thoughts of rather squicky imagery in connection to "True Faith". Ironic, seeing as how the song was previously featured in American Psycho, itself guilty of causing the public to associate various 80's pop hits with scenes of murder and debauchery.
  • Surprisingly Improved Sequel:
    • Power, Corruption & Lies is considered to be much better than their debut.
    • While Republic is generally seen as a good album, its status as a follow-up to the massively acclaimed Technique meant that it suffered heavily from being caught in the latter's shadow. Get Ready, meanwhile, was almost just as rapturously received as Technique and is often considered not only the band's best 21st Century album, but also one of their best overall.
    • Music Complete is considered a substantial improvement over Waiting for the Sirens' Call and Lost Sirens, which aren't considered bad albums, mind you, but, prior to Waiting being Vindicated by History, were generally seen as somewhat dull compared to New Order's prior efforts.
  • Suspiciously Similar Song "All the Way" sounds a lot like The Cure's "Just Like Heaven".
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Fan response to any major alterations to a previously released song tends to be middling at best, with the Phil Spector-esque single mix of "Sub-culture" and the Republic-era remixes of past hits being particular points of contention. The cuts made to "The Perfect Kiss"note , "Sub-culture", "Shellshock" and "Hurt" on Substance are also seen as a prominent drawback of the otherwise well-received compilation.
  • Tear Jerker: "All Day Long", from Brotherhood, which matches melancholy-yet-epic music and lyrics about child abuse to sad (but very powerful) results. "Ceremony" also counts too, due to it quite vividly reflecting Ian Curtis' state of mind in the days leading up to the suicide that would change Joy Division forever; one can even hear a visibly mournful tone in Bernard's vocals on the March 1981 recording.
    • One Word: Elegia, especially when you learn it was New Order's tribute to Ian Curtis.
      • It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in Joy Division, Ian was the one who wrote all the lyrics, and sang most of them too, and now he's no longer there to do either. Jesus.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Joy Division fans".
  • Tough Act to Follow:
    • Technique was a gargantuan critical and commercial success for New Order when it came out in 1989, and is often considered by both fans and critics to be the band's greatest album. Consequently, it's ended up being the measuring stick against which all later albums have been compared. Only one post-1989 album ended up escaping the shadow cast over New Order by Technique: Get Ready, which itself ended up becoming another example of this trope for the band, commonly being used by fans and critics as a point of reference for what was expected out of New Order in the 21st Century.
    • There's also the fact that the band perpetually exists in the shadow of Joy Division, often considered a pioneering force in the Post-Punk movement and one of Manchester's great cultural legends (in part due to the sudden sense of mystique procured by frontman Ian Curtis's 1980 suicide, which re-contextualized Joy Division's famously dreary lyrics). Despite New Order continuously making more money and establishing a greater foothold in the music scene, it's Joy Division that sees the greater amount of acclaim.
  • True Art Is Angsty: While not as dark and depressing as Joy Division, New Order still contains some of the angst that made Joy Division such a big hit (e.g. "Blue Monday").
  • Vindicated by History:
    • Movement has gained recognition over the years for having some good songs and serving as a link between Joy Division and the band's later work. It's also got an iconic Peter Saville cover. Peter Hook has also since warmed up to it.
    • While initially met with polarizing reviews, Waiting for the Sirens' Call has since gone on to be regarded as, while not on par with New Order's Factory-era classics, a much better album than initial reviews suggested.
  • Win Back the Crowd: Music Complete managed to gain back a good chunk of fans and critics who felt alienated by the more guitar-driven direction of New Order's previous 21st-Century output.


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