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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Fan response to any major alterations to a previously released song tends to be middling at best, with the Music/PhilSpector-esque single mix of "Sub-culture" and the ''Republic''-era remixes of past hits being particular points of contention. The cuts made to "The Perfect Kiss"[[note]]on CD copies only[[/note]], "Sub-culture", "Shellshock" and "Hurt" on ''Substance'' are also seen as a prominent drawback of the otherwise well-received compilation.

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Fan response to any major alterations to a previously released song tends to be middling at best, with the Music/PhilSpector-esque single mix of "Sub-culture" and the ''Republic''-era remixes of past hits being particular points of contention. The cuts made to "The Perfect Kiss"[[note]]on CD copies only[[/note]], "Sub-culture", "Shellshock" and "Hurt" on ''Substance'' are also seen as a prominent drawback of the otherwise well-received compilation.compilation.
** Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans."



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans."

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* SampledUp: The chord sample in "Blue Monday" is taken from the Music/{{Kraftwerk}} song "Uranium", but is much better known nowadays for its use in New Order's track.


* ContestedSequel: Most of the band's post-''Republic'' musical efforts, ''Crystal'' being the only exception.

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* ContestedSequel: Most of the band's post-''Republic'' musical efforts, ''Crystal'' "Crystal" (off of ''Get Ready'') being the only exception.



** One Word: '''[[InMemoriam Elegia]]''', especially when you learn it was New Order's tribute to [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis]].
*** It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in Joy Division, ''Ian'' was the one who wrote all the lyrics, and sang most of them too, and now he's no longer there to do either. ''Jesus''.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans".

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** One Word: '''[[InMemoriam Elegia]]''', "Elegia"]]''', especially when you learn it was New Order's tribute to [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis]].
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Curtis]]. It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in Joy Division, ''Ian'' was the one who wrote all the lyrics, and sang most of them too, and now he's no longer there to do either. ''Jesus''.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans".fans."



** ''Technique'' was a gargantuan critical and commercial success for New Order when it came out in 1989, and is often considered by both fans and critics to be the band's greatest album. Consequently, it's ended up being the measuring stick against which all later albums have been compared. Only one post-1989 album ended up escaping the shadow cast over New Order by ''Technique'': ''Get Ready'', which itself ended up becoming another example of this trope for the band, commonly being used by fans and critics as a point of reference for what was expected out of New Order in the 21st Century.

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** ''Technique'' ''Music/{{Technique}}'' was a gargantuan critical and commercial success for New Order when it came out in 1989, and is often considered by both fans and critics to be the band's greatest album. Consequently, it's ended up being the measuring stick against which all later albums have been compared. Only one post-1989 album ended up escaping the shadow cast over New Order by ''Technique'': ''Get Ready'', which itself ended up becoming another example of this trope for the band, commonly being used by fans and critics as a point of reference for what was expected out of New Order in the 21st Century.

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** Pretty much all of their output from 1982-1989, starting with ''Power, Corruption and Lies'' and ending with ''Technique'' counts as this trope.

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* BrokenBase: There's one over which version of "Sub-Culture" is the best. Most prefer the original album version, however there is a significant minority that prefers the single mix that appears on ''Substance''. There's also a smaller third camp that prefer the Razormaid/Sarm West mix that came packaged with an issue of the magazine Record Mirror.


*** It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in [[Music/JoyDivision]] ''Ian'' was the one who wrote the lyrics. ''Jesus''.

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*** It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in [[Music/JoyDivision]] Joy Division, ''Ian'' was the one who wrote all the lyrics.lyrics, and sang most of them too, and now he's no longer there to do either. ''Jesus''.


*** It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in [[Music/JoyDivision]], ''Ian'' was the one who wrote the lyrics. ''Jesus''.

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*** It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in [[Music/JoyDivision]], [[Music/JoyDivision]] ''Ian'' was the one who wrote the lyrics. ''Jesus''.

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*** It's been suggested that one of the reasons "Elegia" is an instrumental is because in [[Music/JoyDivision]], ''Ian'' was the one who wrote the lyrics. ''Jesus''.


** While initially met with polarizing reviews, ''Waiting for the [=Sirens'=] Call'' has since gone on to be regarded as on par with New Order's Factory-era classics.

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** While initially met with polarizing reviews, ''Waiting for the [=Sirens'=] Call'' has since gone on to be regarded as as, while not on par with New Order's Factory-era classics.classics, a much better album than initial reviews suggested.


* ContestedSequel: Most of the band's post-''Technique'' musical efforts, ''Get Ready'' being the only exception.

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* ContestedSequel: Most of the band's post-''Technique'' post-''Republic'' musical efforts, ''Get Ready'' ''Crystal'' being the only exception.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans".


* SoBadItsGood: John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion".

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John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion".Motion".
** A lot of Website/YouTube commenters on the band's ''TOTP'' live version of "Blue Monday" say they find watching it compelling despite being one of the worst live renditions ever.


** The band's infamous live appearance on ''Series/TopOfThePops'' of "Blue Monday", which was so inept (due to them attempting to perform the song live--on a show that usually required the performers to mime-- with [[TechnologyMarchesOn naturally temperamental analog synthesizers of the era]]) that they were one of the few acts to have their single go ''down'' on the charts afterward.

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** The band's infamous [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTb2rZ0SBg4 live appearance appearance]] on ''Series/TopOfThePops'' of "Blue Monday", which was so inept (due to them attempting to perform the song live--on a show that usually required the performers to mime-- with [[TechnologyMarchesOn naturally temperamental analog synthesizers of the era]]) that they were one of the few acts to have their single go ''down'' on the charts afterward.


** The band's infamous live appearance on ''Series/TopOfThePops'' of "Blue Monday", which was so inept (due to them attempting to perform the song live-- on a show that usually required the performers to mime-- with naturally temperamental analog synthesizers) that they were one of the few acts to have their single go ''down'' on the charts afterward.

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** The band's infamous live appearance on ''Series/TopOfThePops'' of "Blue Monday", which was so inept (due to them attempting to perform the song live-- on live--on a show that usually required the performers to mime-- with [[TechnologyMarchesOn naturally temperamental analog synthesizers) synthesizers of the era]]) that they were one of the few acts to have their single go ''down'' on the charts afterward.


* NightmareFuel: "In a Lonely Place," one of the last songs Joy Division wrote and demoed before Ian Curtis' death; while the New Order re-recording isn't as haunting as the Joy Division demo, it still carries a primeval sound and eerily suicidal lyrics that make it seem like something straight out of the ''Music/{{Closer}}'' sessions.

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"In a Lonely Place," one of the last songs Joy Division wrote and demoed before Ian Curtis' death; while the New Order re-recording isn't as haunting as the Joy Division demo, it still carries a primeval sound and eerily suicidal lyrics that make it seem like something straight out of the ''Music/{{Closer}}'' sessions.sessions.
** Being a continuation of their work as Joy Division with ''very'' conspicuous CreatorBreakdown at play, much of the songs on ''Music/{{Movement}}'' delve into this.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYBS4yV2DXs "Murder"]], a chaotic PostPunk instrumental with heavy influence from the ''Closer'' and ''Movement'' sessions, featuring some rather unnerving samples of dialogue from ''Film/{{Caligula}}'' and ''Film/TwoThousandAndOneASpaceOdyssey''. The shouts of "CROWS, CROWS, CROWS, I HATE THEM!" will certainly send chills down your spine.

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