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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s, culminating in their stateside breakthrough with "True Faith" and ''Music/{{Substance|NewOrderAlbum}}''. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.

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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s, culminating in their stateside breakthrough with "True Faith" and ''Music/{{Substance|NewOrderAlbum}}''. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', post-''Music/{{Nevermind|Album}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.
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* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/PetShopBoys, due to their similar style as well as both bands working with producer Stephen Hague. Frontman Neil Tennant has professed a love of Joy Division and New Order in interviews, as well as contributing vocals to several Music/{{Electronic}} songs. The bands were even set to tour together before being interrupted by the COVID-19 pandemic.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With Music/PetShopBoys, due to their similar style as well as both bands working with producer Stephen Hague. Frontman Neil Tennant has professed a love of Joy Division and New Order in interviews, as well as contributing vocals to several Music/{{Electronic}} songs. The bands were even set to tour together before being interrupted delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic.
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** Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans", as its upbeat sound had inverted their former band's famously gloomy image.

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** Peter Hook Bernard Sumner famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans", as its upbeat sound had inverted their former band's famously gloomy image.
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Moving to Trivia under Creator Driven Successor.


* SpiritualSuccessor: The ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', with cover artwork that [[CallBack calls back]] to that of "True Faith", ''Substance''[='s=] lead single, and a focus on the band's singles. However, the former draws from the band's 7-inch singles rather than the 12-inch versions that ''Substance'' uses and also includes the band's post-1987 singles.
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: While not as dark and depressing as Joy Division, New Order still contains some of the angst that made Joy Division such a big hit (e.g. "Blue Monday").
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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s, culminating in their stateside meanstream breakthrough with "True Faith" and ''Music/{{Substance|NewOrderAlbum}}''. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.

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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s, culminating in their stateside meanstream breakthrough with "True Faith" and ''Music/{{Substance|NewOrderAlbum}}''. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.
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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.

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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s.1980s, culminating in their stateside meanstream breakthrough with "True Faith" and ''Music/{{Substance|NewOrderAlbum}}''. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The 2016 reissue of ''Singles'' addresses two of the biggest issues fans had with the original 2005 iteration: the [[LoudnessWar horrendous brickwalling]] (it's still squished, but much less so) and the fact that some of the included songs were in a different mix from the single release (usually the album version), replacing those tracks with the 7" mixes. The 2016 version even throws in "I'll Stay With You" from ''Lost Sirens'' as an added bonus, thus giving the additional advantage of representing the entirety of Peter Hook's tenure with the band.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: The ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', with cover artwork that [[CallBack calls back]] to that of "True Faith", ''Substance''[='s=] lead single, and a focus on the band's singles. However, the former draws from the band's 7-inch singles rather than the 12-inch versions that ''Substance'' uses and covers the band's post-1987 singles.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: The ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', with cover artwork that [[CallBack calls back]] to that of "True Faith", ''Substance''[='s=] lead single, and a focus on the band's singles. However, the former draws from the band's 7-inch singles rather than the 12-inch versions that ''Substance'' uses and covers also includes the band's post-1987 singles.
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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.

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** New Order established a cult following in the U.S. almost immediately due to club and CollegeRadio play and the notoriety of their previous incarnation, Music/JoyDivision, which they would successfully ride to mainstream success through the 1980s. The band is also one of the original wave of '80s alternative bands like Music/{{The Cure|Band}} and Music/DepecheMode to have maintained their popularity in the U.S. post-''Music/{{Nevermind}}'', albeit mostly in urban areas where dance and indie music have prominent followings. The band's post-reunion tour stops have been mainly concentrated on the East and West Coasts.
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* RefrainFromAssuming: The song is not "How Does It Feel?" or "I Thought I Was Mistaken" but "Blue Monday." Thanks to their fondness for [[NonAppearingTitle Non Appearing Titles]], other potential examples are too numerous to list here.

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Works that share a creator are moved to Creator Driven Successor on Trivia per TRS


* SpiritualSuccessor:
** To Music/JoyDivision, consisting of the surviving members of that band and starting their careers where Joy Division left off. Many analysts even speculate that Joy Division would've gone in New Order's direction (or at least some variation of it) anyway had Ian Curtis lived, given his love of Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and the introduction of SynthPop elements in Joy Division's latter-day material.
** The ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', with cover artwork that [[CallBack calls back]] to that of "True Faith", ''Substance''[='s=] lead single, and a focus on the band's singles. However, the former draws from the band's 7-inch singles rather than the 12-inch versions that ''Substance'' uses and covers the band's post-1987 singles.

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* SpiritualSuccessor:
** To Music/JoyDivision, consisting of the surviving members of that band and starting their careers where Joy Division left off. Many analysts even speculate that Joy Division would've gone in New Order's direction (or at least some variation of it) anyway had Ian Curtis lived, given his love of Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and the introduction of SynthPop elements in Joy Division's latter-day material.
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SpiritualSuccessor: The ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', with cover artwork that [[CallBack calls back]] to that of "True Faith", ''Substance''[='s=] lead single, and a focus on the band's singles. However, the former draws from the band's 7-inch singles rather than the 12-inch versions that ''Substance'' uses and covers the band's post-1987 singles.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: The 2005 ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''Substance'' as the latter is now out of print (at least on physical formats). ''Singles'' is another 2-disc compilation, but focuses on the band's 7-inch releases and also covers the band's post-1987 singles, while using original versions instead of re-recordings. Its cover art is also a CallBack to that of the "True Faith" single, featuring the leaf's skeleton atop a white background instead of blue.
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* SpiritualSuccessor:
** To Music/JoyDivision, consisting of the surviving members of that band and starting their careers where Joy Division left off. Many analysts even speculate that Joy Division would've gone in New Order's direction (or at least some variation of it) anyway had Ian Curtis lived, given his love of Music/{{Kraftwerk}} and the introduction of SynthPop elements in Joy Division's latter-day material.
** The ''Singles'' compilation seems intended to be one to ''[[Music/SubstanceNewOrderAlbum Substance]]'', with cover artwork that [[CallBack calls back]] to that of "True Faith", ''Substance''[='s=] lead single, and a focus on the band's singles. However, the former draws from the band's 7-inch singles rather than the 12-inch versions that ''Substance'' uses and covers the band's post-1987 singles.
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** John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion", to the point where it used to have its own Wikipedia article (it's since been merged into a section of the "World In Motion" page).For those not aware, keep in mind that Barnes was not a professional musician, but rather ''a football player''; his addition being due to the song being produced for the England national football team's 1990 FIFA World Cup campaign.

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** John Barnes' rap in "World In Motion", to the point where it used to have its own Wikipedia article (it's since been merged into a section of the "World In Motion" page). For those not aware, keep in mind that Barnes was not a professional musician, but rather ''a football player''; his addition being due to the song being produced for the England national football team's 1990 FIFA World Cup campaign.

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Looking back, Waiting didn't get a big enough reappraisal to justify being listed as VBH, especially compared to Movement.


* VindicatedByHistory:
** ''Music/{{Movement}}'' has gained recognition over the years for having some good songs and serving as a link between Music/JoyDivision and the band's later work. It's also got an iconic Peter Saville cover. Peter Hook has also since warmed up to it.
** While initially met with polarizing reviews, ''Waiting for the [=Sirens'=] Call'' has since gone on to be regarded as, while not on par with New Order's Factory-era classics or even their first two London albums, much better than initial reviews suggested.

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* VindicatedByHistory:
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VindicatedByHistory: ''Music/{{Movement}}'' has gained recognition over the years for having some good songs and serving as a link between Music/JoyDivision and the band's later work. It's also got an iconic Peter Saville cover. Peter Hook has also since warmed up to it.
** While initially met with polarizing reviews, ''Waiting for the [=Sirens'=] Call'' has since gone on to be regarded as, while not on par with New Order's Factory-era classics or even their first two London albums, much better than initial reviews suggested.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: The band's "guitar" era, encompassing 2001 to 2013. While ''Music/GetReady'' is well regarded, its two follow-ups, ''Waiting for the Sirens' Call'' and ''Lost Sirens'', are seen as below the band's usual standards thanks to its stark deviation from their typical AlternativeDance sound, with ''Get Ready'' being credited with instigating the change. ''Music Complete'', which moved back to a synth-heavy dance style, is generally regarded as what ended the slump.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: The band's "guitar" era, encompassing 2001 to 2013. While ''Music/GetReady'' is well regarded, regarded (to the point of being considered the only album to have escaped the gargantuan shadow of ''Music/{{Technique}}''), its two follow-ups, ''Waiting for the Sirens' Call'' and ''Lost Sirens'', are seen as below the band's usual standards thanks to its stark deviation from their typical AlternativeDance sound, with ''Get Ready'' being credited with instigating the change. ''Music Complete'', which moved back to a synth-heavy dance style, is generally regarded as what ended the slump.
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** Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans."

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** Peter Hook famously described "World in Motion" as "the last straw for Music/JoyDivision fans."fans", as its upbeat sound had inverted their former band's famously gloomy image.

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