- With the exception of Sapphire, none of the Dex Holders were 10 when they started out. Also, the games already had kid Gym Leaders, so it's more like it's just the logical extension from the games that children are allowed to have jobs.
- ...why? Red's a pretty cheerful guy. What would happen to him? Besides, the GS arc already had a plot with him in Mt. Silver...
- Complaint seconded. Honestly, Red in PokéSpe is not the antisocial mute guy he is in the games, with solely a rival to be close to. So unless he didn't heal his frostbite well or he needs to take care of another health condition he acquired when he was a stone statue (which then makes you wonder why Green, Blue, Yellow and Silver wouldn't need it), he shouldn't return to Mt. Silver (no motive to; even "training in Mt. Silver because of high-level Pokémon" is unlikely, as he liked competing against Green during their training in the FRLG saga, so he can probably train at his gym in Viridian)
- Red was not anti-social in the games either. Artwork and his counterparts imply he was a bubby, Hot-Blooded boy prior to the Timeskip.
- Complaint seconded. Honestly, Red in PokéSpe is not the antisocial mute guy he is in the games, with solely a rival to be close to. So unless he didn't heal his frostbite well or he needs to take care of another health condition he acquired when he was a stone statue (which then makes you wonder why Green, Blue, Yellow and Silver wouldn't need it), he shouldn't return to Mt. Silver (no motive to; even "training in Mt. Silver because of high-level Pokémon" is unlikely, as he liked competing against Green during their training in the FRLG saga, so he can probably train at his gym in Viridian)
- Semi-Jossed. HGSS has a flashback of him having a practice battle with Gold on Mt. Silver, where he was obviously enjoying himself. He even became the basis for a superhero show thanks to that fight.
- Jossed by the ORAS chapter. At 19 years old, Red is still the guy he was back when he was 11, friendly and helpful.
- Confirmed.
- Jossed in-story. In covers, however, her hair colors keep changing.
- Given what happens at the end of the Black & White Chapter 1, I sure hope this is true. He might even become a Spirit Advisor out of this deal.
- Looks like I've been Jossed, see the Black & White folder...
As for not changing their forms... meh, the franchise has had worse Early-Installment Weirdness...
- Jossed with actual Mega Evolution in ORAS.
- Confirmed.
Other Characters
- Jossed.



...or could it be that it's just a new hairstyle that's fashionable in the Pokéworld? Who knows?
If you actually care about even minor clues, also look at their Pokéymanz. The crows are everywhere!
- Jossed. The question of who Silver's mother is isn't even brought up.
- It is, but the creators have already said they're trying for an entirely new villain with Ariana.
- Then they'll be related somehow.
- Most likely jossed, now that we've seen Ariana.
After all Giovanni never says he wants Silver to take over Team Rocket, the Beast Trio simply speculate that's what he wants. If you need to ask why he drew the Dex-Holders and Deoxys into a battle when he was locating his son, he was still driven as a trainer to battle Red once again. This could be evidence from the battle on board the airship where he says he doesn't intend to fight Red as Team Rockets leader but simply a trainer. He knew the best way to draw Red into battle was to bring Team Rocket back. If you ask "Well why didn't he just ask him for battle" there was no way he could know that Red would be giving it his all, there were no stakes and no tension. He didn't want a friendly battle against the champion, he wanted Red's absolute best and desire to do anything to achieve his goals.
With an organization of loyal followers including Gym Leaders and an army of super Pokémon, NOTHING could have stopped him from finding Silver. Illegal was faster than Legal even if it made him the enemy of the world.
- That thing you said is canon. Related to this is also the fact that Silver was purposefully hiding (or Blue was hiding him) so Mask of Ice didn't find him again. And remember that that guy was quite persistent! If he had to hide from such a guy, not even Giovanni with all his power could have found him... And he found him solely because Silver got out from wherever he usually hides because he was curious about his own family and he surely felt quite safe now that Pryce was gone. Whether using legal or illegal means, Giovanni was still doomed to wait until Silver stopped playing hide and seek on his own free will.
- I kinda doubt that. Giovanni and Team Rocket were written way before Pokémon Gold and Silver were released. Therefore even if he were to change his mind later, the writer did at one point make Giovanni a legitimately evil character. In fact it's entirely possible, maybe even probable that Team Rocket was around before Silver was even born. I like to think that there's more to Giovanni than just "my son was kidnapped". Giovanni loves his son with all his heart, but that's a redeeming quality not the whole of the character, a lot of the fanbase has recently been forgetting that Giovanni is still evil. Then again this is WMG, so it all works out.
- Giovanni does love his son, no doubt, but volume 43 makes it clear that he still wants to run Team Rocket for the sake of evil and power. However, he is okay with Silver vowing to take down the organization, even advising him to get stronger with Pryce and Lance.
- He's simply a trainer from Viridian and the fact that he can take out Lance is because his Pokémon were trained in the Viridian Forest, thus giving them the special edge that they need to take him on.
- The damage he did to the Viridian Forest actually caused his powers to be taken away. If he does a Heel–Face Turn, he may be able to use them again.
- He used them so much when he was younger that he actually damaged his own health, thus accounting for his health issues in FRLG. Note that Yellow exhausts herself when she uses them; perhaps if he continues to use them, he might actually die.
- Or he could've just misunderstood the concept of being a Viridian Trainer, he was never shown using powers like Lance's and Yellow's. In fact he never even mentioned them. He just said he was from the forest. Later he laments on the Mega Volt (which, to clarify, Pika's Thunderbolt with energies from the Kanto trio and their starter Pokémon transferred to him with Yellow's powers), and acknowledges that he nor Team Rocket has the power to stand up to that, further indicating that he's just now learning about them.
- Maybe in the HeartGold SoulSilver chapter.
- The possibility is very small, considering the HGSS chapter is over and focuses on the Rocket Executives and Arceus, and that the closure that was given to him in GSC was a happy one for him; there's no reason to bring him back, he's happy. He might appear in flashbacks had by other characters, though.
- What if he comes in a Big Damn Heroes moment?
- He has no need to; his storyline is truly over, and a lot of other characters are in need of the spotlight. Unfortunately, we need to let nostalgia die; this franchise moves fast, the authors can't keep bringing everyone back all the time, just a select few (namely the Dexholders; they're the only ones that last). Also, consider that no gym leader aside from Whitney, Morty and Clair appeared in HGSS; not even the Kanto ones showed up (including Green), and the Elite Four was barely upgraded to its proper setting in one single scene. The focus of HGSS are the Rocket Executives and Arceus, and that's all.
- Actually, every single Johto Gym Leader shows up in HGSS, or at least mentioned (as was in Jasmine's case), except for Pryce. Green appeared in a flashback, wearing his HGSS outfit, when Silver explained how he got his Rhyperior.
- CONFIRMED
- Specifically, she could have gotten the sword that the boy in the 'Veilstone myth' used to kill and eat Pokémon. Note that Veilstone is where the Team Galactic HQ is located. Hmmmm...
- It's practically confirmed that Sird used Jirachi's power 1000 years ago to become immortal, so that's where her powers came from.
- On Sird and Mew, how the hell did she petrify the dexholders? If anyone still keeps in touch with the anime side, they might remember the first movie, and the clash between Mew and Mewtwo petrifying Ash. Now then, Mewtwo was also present when the dexholders were petrified, and hasn't been seen since. Not to mention there was a Mew nearby that Sird could have caught, considering how she simply doesn't like missing chances... which starts the whole problem to begin with: she went after Deoxys and ended up petrifying the dexholders (by accident) instead!
- She doesn't have Mew. A clash between Mewtwo and her Darkrai ended up turning the Dex Holders to stone.
- The choice of Pokémon (Sableye and Banette) is so similar it's painful.
- Jossed... but they DO know each other...
- Kusaka has absolutely no influence on Gamefreak. While they might take some ideas that could have been influenced by Special (such as Falkner and Janine interacting in HeartGold and SoulSilver) he has no power to influence what they do, especially with important Pokémon like legendaries. Many people think that Kusaka invented the Giovanni being Silver’s father thing but in FireRed and LeafGreen one of the Rocket Scientists in the Sevii Islands mentions Giovanni having a son with red hair. All Kusaka did was gamble on the implications of that hint and guess correctly. The reason Jupiter had frostbite was most likely a result of the battle she was having with Candice (who uses Ice Pokémon) or a result of her trip to Snowpeak. Also Jupiter pulled a Heel–Face Turn in Platinum. That Sird used Jirachi’s wish to become immortal theory to explain all her stunts is much more sound.
- Mostly likely jossed.
- Alternatively, the kid got sent or moved along with his/her family to Isshu. By the time Isshu connects with all the other regions, Yellow will be past 20 and this kid will be over 10...! (might be important to remember that the protagonists are older than 10/11 in B&W)
- N sounds like he could be a Viridian kid, but then again, I doubt that Yellow is ten years older than him. In any case, no more Viridian kids make Yellow and Lance seem a bit more special.
- You forgot Giovanni in there. But yeah, N is the most likely, but imagine another option, like White (the female player chara), who has yet to appear in the manga and be given a personality.
- It's never been confirmed that Giovanni actually has the powers associated with being a Viridian Trainer as opposed to just a trainer from Viridian. Canon was kind of unclear on that point; it's possible that he only counted as being able to take down Lance because his Beedrill was caught and trained in the Viridian forest. Of course, this could always lead to another WMG...
- Well, it's definitely not White.
- I've been doing a reread of Yellow and I can't find where it says one is born every ten years. Someone please point it out to me.
- It's on Yellow's bio page in the FRLG arc.
- Now, assume some degree of game continuity applies. Assume N is the child in question. Now, assuming that he's not his father, let's think about Ghestis's possible reasons for wanting N...
- N sounds like he could be a Viridian kid, but then again, I doubt that Yellow is ten years older than him. In any case, no more Viridian kids make Yellow and Lance seem a bit more special.
Ruby & Sapphire, Fire Red & Leaf Green, Emerald, and Heart Gold & Soul Silver Chapters
- I'm not sure how the translation works, but I always thought that Celebi's powers work something like "reversing the effect of time", therefore what it did was reverse the death "event" of Steven, Norman and Marge/Courtney.
- Word for word, it says Ruby's in a "slightly different future". Also the Ruby and Sapphire chapter suggests that people lose energy to the point where they can die if they use legendary Pokémon. Yet in previous chapters, several characters made use of legendaries and were fine, further suggesting that it is a different timeline.
- Nobody has a problem with controlling weaker legendaries. Upper-tier legendaries, now that's a problem, and those indeed need some help. Mewtwo: cancer, then later developed a human conscious, so no prob there. Lugia and Ho-oh: freaky mask made of god knows how many crushed Gym Badges, not to mention Lance previously tried to control Lugia with a giant badge amplifier. The Weather Trio: the orbs. Dialga and Palkia: the Red Chain.
- Mewtwo was unstable and it only affected Blaine because they shared DNA that caused them both fatigue. If Mewtwo were to allow another trainer to command him, they wouldn't have had the same problems. And even if he did have immense power, he was a scientific, genetically created, artificial lifeform, why would commanding him cause the trainer to randomly start dying? The badges were to make the Pokémon obey the person in the first place, this is based on their game ability of making higher level Pokémon obey you. It wasn't to prevent you from dying. And exactly what constitutes upper and lower legendaries? Steven died controlling the Regis. And Norman had lord knows how many Balance Badges, being the Gym Leader of Petalburg, and still died when he used Rayquaza. His and Steven's later survival hints that in the new timeline they were able to control their legendaries without too many problems.
- Thought Steven died from the exhaustion of everything he had to do up to fighting at Sootopolis, which included waking up the Regis. The Hoenn Elite Four had no problem controlling the Regi assigned to them. Also, I doubt that Norman was holding fifty or so badges with him. And there are upper and lower legendaries. You don't say Moltres is in the same tier as Arceus. Legendaries have varying base stats; by looking at them, you can tell which legendary vastly overpowers another. Also, I have a feeling that only the Weather Trio does the dying bit; any other upper-tier legendary just wouldn't listen to you otherwise.
- Wallace says that use of the Regis took a toll on all of them but Steven the most, and it's subtle but the Elite Four shows signs of fatigue just from using the Pokémon, and remember two people were each controlling a Regi, supposedly for this reason. And since you're arguing game mechanics with me, he didn't need 50 or so badges, in the games you usually get eight. And Norman said he didn't control it completely anyway. And if you're going to argue base stats, Mewtwo has the same base stat as Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza. And the Regis have the same base stat as the legendary birds or legendary beast trio. And even if we assume that you're right here, the original argument still stands, Ruby says he's in a "slightly different timeline". Again word for word. And outside of the RS chapter, no one has died using a legendary. And while Maxi and Archie's use of the Red and Blue Orbs may have helped them control Kyogre and Groudon, the Green Orb was never finished in either timeline. So the way I see it is that using Rayquaza didn't kill Norman in the new timeline, meaning that if nothing else, using Rayquaza isn't deadly in the new timeline. And your metaphor doesn't work, no Pokémon shares a base stat with Arceus, therefore no one is in his "tier".
- If controlling legendaries is supposed to kill you then explain Deoxys.
- Of course everyone was fatigued during the battle of Sootopolis. They were fighting for a couple days straight! Okay, upper and lower tier legendaries, just look at the Battle Frontier to see what counts. The legendary birds, the legendary dogs, the Regis, and the lake guardians are all lower-tiers, as the Frontier have no problem with you using them.
- Alright, while I'm still convinced that controlling the Regis negatively impacted Steven and the others, I'll just let you have the point that it might not have been. That still doesn't explain why "higher tiers" like Mewtwo and Deoxys can be controlled without any problems. And your "feeling that it's only the weather trio" has no ground either, it never states that anywhere.
- Mewtwo and Blaine were okay (sorta) due to their shared link, and Mewtwo eventually gained a more human conscious so it could choose who it fought alongside with. Deoxys? Fanwank, but maybe Red's blood had to do with that. Also, Dialga and Palkia had to be controlled with the Red Chain. Maybe if Cyrus forcibly tried to control them on his own, it might have been more strenuous.
- Red's blood is a bit of a stretch, especially considering Giovanni was the one using him for most of the chapter. Mewtwo and Blaine's link is what was causing them problems in the first place, they needed Entei to heal it. For that matter, Mewtwo didn't develop any significantly higher brain functions between GSC and FRLG, we're just hearing his side of the telepathic conversations this time around. Anyway, this is getting really long and we're going in circles. It doesn't seem like either of us is going to convince the other so maybe we should just drop this debate.
- No prob. I had fun wanking with you.
- That sounds so wrong. XD
- According to Viz's translation, Celebi tweaked the past to change the present, not bringing Ruby and Sapphire to a new timeline.
- Word for word, it says Ruby's in a "slightly different future". Also the Ruby and Sapphire chapter suggests that people lose energy to the point where they can die if they use legendary Pokémon. Yet in previous chapters, several characters made use of legendaries and were fine, further suggesting that it is a different timeline.
- Azelf turns you to stone, it's one of the others that takes your mind. (Uxie?).
- But it's not actual petrification. The myths only say that touching Azelf will make the user "grow immobile" by losing all will, since Azelf is the Pokémon of Willpower. Uxie is the Pokémon of Knowledge and erases all memory, and Mesprit is the Pokémon of Emotion who... drains all emotion. Their effects are based on their titles, no stone involved in Azelf's case.
- Games != manga. It could just be artistic license.
- But it's not actual petrification. The myths only say that touching Azelf will make the user "grow immobile" by losing all will, since Azelf is the Pokémon of Willpower. Uxie is the Pokémon of Knowledge and erases all memory, and Mesprit is the Pokémon of Emotion who... drains all emotion. Their effects are based on their titles, no stone involved in Azelf's case.
- For the first time ever, it could be that the manga borrows from the anime with the clash between a Mew and the spoon-wielding Mewtwo petrifying kids like in the first movie. After all, Mew was seen near the scene by Mewtwo, and Sird was already on her way to that place; how much of a stretch is that she captured it on sight?
- As it turns out, Darkrai turned the Dex Holders to stone.
- Elaborated upon by an entirely different crew of people at Bulbagarden
(starts somewhere around page 5...)
- Jossed. The only mention of Yellow in that chapter is when Petrel disguised himself as her to throw Lance off his groove.
Also, Archer is quite the creep, in the same vein as Carr actually; wouldn't put it past him to be searching for Arceus just to further his own goals, not truly following Giovanni's ambitions. But just wait until the other three (who seem like nice but misguided people, specially Petrel) understand this; it'll surely be a storm of Heel–Face Turn like rarely seen in the manga (offscreen is common, but in it, not so much). This last point holds true with even more strength if you subscribe to the idea that Ariana is Silver's mom. So far, I don't think she had as much hopes as Giovanni to find Silver, so she could pretty much just ignore that nameless kid she ambushed because she doesn't think her kid lived to tell the tale (taken away by the frightening Ho-oh, mind you). A reveal is bound to happen if this is true.
- Actually, turns out Archer's kind of gay for Giovanni and the generals know the relationship between him and Silver. They still have no problem attacking their beloved boss's son.
- Not so fast! Only Petrel knows of Silver being Giovanni's son, actually. Which makes the potential of Ariana being the kid's mom even more tragic. How can she not know she's attacking her own child, you ask? Because she believes him to be dead after the incident with Ho-oh when he was kidnapped!
- Seems like a good possibility.
- Well, Pryce is back, but there's nothing to say who's been looking after the gym for the past five years.
Diamond & Pearl and Platinum Chapters
- But it wasn't time travel, more like reversing the flow of time around the people it did. Not to mention that it would have made Hoenn colder since the effect spreads outward from where its power is used.
- Sinnoh is naturally colder, as it's far up north in the Pokénation. However, it could also simply be winter.
- She's actually trying to save her real bodyguards. Meanwhile, Dia and Pearl are given a mission to search for legendaries.
- She did. Or more accurately, it followed her, knowing it would be needed. And now it's part of Dia's team.
- And according to the Pokémon Ranger manga, Platinum'll get a Manaphy egg too.
- She did.
- Considering they're traveling around Sinnoh, why not?
- And if Sird finds out about Deoxys?
- REVENGE!
- than that means Dia and Pearl maybe be in some deep ***!
- REVENGE!
- Sorry, but no. The far away land in question is Kanto. There are four meteors in Pewter City in Heart Gold and Soul Silver that let you do that specifically. That one was clearly a callback, not foreshadowing.
- Considering that Deoxys was in Kanto when it said it would go find meteorites in a faraway land, I doubt that that's what Deoxys meant. Besides, not everything in the games makes it into the manga canon, or else we'd have the Viridian Forest chopped down and Cinnabar Island destroyed in the GSC arc.
- ....you suddenly made me very excited to read Volume 40.
- Jossed. Rotom does not simultaneously control all five appliances... but it does control Dia's toy robot and somehow saves the day in it.
- This works out with the fact that around power-granting time, all the locals were scared shitless of the rampaging Pokémon as well as the fact that no strong trainers ever passed by because the missing Gym Leader, meaning that N was even more likely to not interact with other humans. Of course, this potentially makes Ghetsis a bigger asshole seeing how this means he dumped a small child in a forest full of rampaging Pokémon that could've killed him.
- I hope not. It's been established that you have to be BORN in the forest to get it's powers, you can't just go there. It would feel like such an Ass Pull, and if the forest were to just randomly give a person the powers if they're empathetic towards Pokémon, then why doesn't Red have the Viridian powers? He was there, he's empathetic, I mean he's the one who noticed that Kangaskhan was protecting it's child. He gave Yellow, easily the more empathetic person with the powers compared to Lance and arguably the most empathetic character in the series, her life philosophy, "treat Pokémon with a kind and gentle heart, and they'll always be your friends".
- Hey, maybe N just got there first ^-^. But seeing how there are already people in the Pokéspe world with the power to understand Pokémon through telepathy-like abilities, who were granted said powers through supernatural means, it seems like an asspull to me that someone just randomly get it out of nowhere. You can't just say it was because N grew up with Pokémon, or else Gold could do it too. If Pokéspe does handwave it through some other source of magic power (maybe the Goddesses?), I'll back off. Though the "every ten year" rule thing the Forest supposedly has means there has to be some people out there with the powers.
- Well then shouldn't N be a seven year old? Maybe there's a machine that lets him do it that we're not aware of. Maybe he's just a really good guesser lol.
- Hey, maybe N just got there first ^-^. But seeing how there are already people in the Pokéspe world with the power to understand Pokémon through telepathy-like abilities, who were granted said powers through supernatural means, it seems like an asspull to me that someone just randomly get it out of nowhere. You can't just say it was because N grew up with Pokémon, or else Gold could do it too. If Pokéspe does handwave it through some other source of magic power (maybe the Goddesses?), I'll back off. Though the "every ten year" rule thing the Forest supposedly has means there has to be some people out there with the powers.
- Objection! During his battle with Black, N claims not to be able to hear the voices of Pokémon when they're in their Pokéballs. Yellow has been shown to be able to read minds and is hinted to be able to mentally communicate with Pokémon regardless of whether or not they are in their Poké Ball. Exhibit A: Her talk with Mewtwo during her fight with Lance while he was in his Master Ball. Exhibit B: She used her powers to see what Pika saw when she put him in a Poké Ball to squeeze through a hole in the cave she and Bill were trapped in. Secondly, N has not been shown to possess the healing abilities of the Viridian Forest or any powers previously displayed by Lance or Yellow. And more importantly, being able to understand Pokémon when they try to communicate or quote "Speaks Fluent Animal abilities" is different from reading minds, as thoughts do not always come in the form of a verbal phrase and indeed written thought balloons in any comic or manga are meant to give the reader an idea of what the character is thinking, not an exact verbal sentence formed in the brain. Therefore, N does NOT have the powers of the Viridian Forest. Indeed his powers may not even be supernatural they may just appear that way, only time will tell as the story progresses.
- I'm having far too much fun defending my fan-wank which I admit is probably not true. Yes, Yellow can hear a Pokémon that's in a Pokéball; however, she's always shown holding it when she does so. She has been shown that she can hear a Pokémon even if she's not touching it a la Deoxys (though it is easier for her when she does). N can hear a Pokémon just fine during a battle, but he's never heard a Pokémon in a Pokéball because his repulsion for the balls means he never got close enough to one to hear the 'mon inside. Also, he didn't heal his Pokémon during the battle because he thought it wouldn't be appropriate for him to fall down and fall asleep. Also, hearing a Pokémon's thoughts in sort of human language still counts as Viridian powers, or else Yellow wouldn't have been able to give all that exposition from Deoxys. I doubt she would've understood anything if she was just shown its memories. SO IT STILL WORKS.
- Doesn't N get right next to White and Black though? Do you really think the distance is enough. I mean it was never stated that Lance and Yellow had more trouble reading the thoughts of Pokémon, and not being able to hear them would make more sense if it were a vocal thing, not a mental thing. Especially when you consider that N's powers focus more on voices than thoughts. And in the Mewtwo example, Yellow read what Mewtwo was feeling rather than a vocalized thought, in the case of Deoxys it was specifically trying to talk through Yellow, because it needed to be vocal. Also throughout the Yellow chapter, Lance heals his Pokémon with no negative consequences. Not relevant to the argument but maybe it's just Yellow who has that problem.
- N wasn't touching the Poké Balls, so he couldn't hear the Pokémon inside. Also, he spent the entirety of the battle listening, so using anything else would have risked knocking him out. Yellow uses her powers more often than Lance to make up for her sub par battling skills, so she's more at risk than he is of falling unconscious.
- Not really, Lance heals his Pokémon some five or six times and is fine. Yellow got drowzy after reading Pika's mind in her battle with Lorelei. And Yellow's battling skills aren't really sub par so much as they are different. She just doesn't like hurting the other Pokémon and tries other methods. She's kind of like the Shaolin Monk to most other character's Samurai, in that the Shaolin don't kill and Samurai do. Similarly, Yellow tries not to hurt the opponent unless it's a last resort, whilst other characters just go at it.
- Hold it! And speaking of holding, Yellow wasn't holding Mewtwo's Master Ball when she heard him either, it was in her belt pouch.
- As a matter of fact, Yellow is in fact capable of understanding Pokémon as if they were speaking a human language. It happened with Lance's Dragonite.
- I'm having far too much fun defending my fan-wank which I admit is probably not true. Yes, Yellow can hear a Pokémon that's in a Pokéball; however, she's always shown holding it when she does so. She has been shown that she can hear a Pokémon even if she's not touching it a la Deoxys (though it is easier for her when she does). N can hear a Pokémon just fine during a battle, but he's never heard a Pokémon in a Pokéball because his repulsion for the balls means he never got close enough to one to hear the 'mon inside. Also, he didn't heal his Pokémon during the battle because he thought it wouldn't be appropriate for him to fall down and fall asleep. Also, hearing a Pokémon's thoughts in sort of human language still counts as Viridian powers, or else Yellow wouldn't have been able to give all that exposition from Deoxys. I doubt she would've understood anything if she was just shown its memories. SO IT STILL WORKS.
- Alternatively, N was only conceived in the forest, thus getting a weaker version of the power.
- ...What about Silver? Isn't he also from Viridian? And therefore at least have it slightly?
- Maybe Team Plasma knew about the Viridian forest, and tried to replicate it through experiments within their castle. N was the result of these. Since the powers are man-made and not natural, they are weaker.
- Actually, it was a misreading of his tweet. He uses シンボル (symbol, talking about Crystal's star symbol), and not シンボラー (Sigilyph).
- Alternatively, he's truly Ghetsis's son, but was renamed from his birth name (Gray > Nezu > N; or also Gray > Void > Null > N) while being brainwashed into obeying fully and being the freaky person he is in the manga. It would serve Plasma's objectives better to have an unquestioning leader figure, after all... In other words, an abusive childhood changed him from Gray to N. Also, we can still hope the next arc is called Gray; we don't even know.
- Brainwashing sounds like something Plasma would do, because you're right; it would make things much easier for them if their leader was completely unquestioning of the whole thing. And it doesn't really matter what the arc is called, Gray is just a placeholder at this point.
- Jossed, in some way. N's real name is confirmed to be Naturia Harmonia Gropius. Not sure where Gropius came from, so he's got an interesting past to work through. But he can't be Gray, not with his true name.
- Jossed even more. Instead, it's going to be Hugh, The Rival from B2W2.
- That is not confirmed. It's a Prologue chapter to set up for when it officially comes out.
- Utterly Jossed: There is no "Gray" Chapter. Heck, Hugh's The Rival in what did follow Black & White.
- Well, there's nothing to say that Sird is Charon's daughter, so she possibly made the last wish.
- Most likely jossed, since Ghetsis is just like every other human. (not immortal)
- In a recent chapter, they are seen using Pokémon, unlike in the games. Those Pokémon are Lilligant, Larvesta, and Basculin; a Grass, Fire (and Bug), and Water type respectively. They also have the same poses as the trio had in their intro chapter.
- This would explain why they never show up to fight the Seven Sages with the others!
- And take a look at both groups' Character Tics...
- Well...Jossed. So much for that.
- Are you talking about the manga or the game?
- All Canons. Wait, No! I didn't mean *Killed Midsentence*
- Are you talking about the manga or the game?
Regarding the First Chapter
A possible motive for Servine is wanting to have the life the Tepig had and gave up. It might have watched the Pokémon Music and wanted to try it for itself.
- As an alternative, Gigi and N's Servine were part of the same "starter class". Perhaps there was a rivalry between them. Or perhaps it wanted to thank White for her care of Gigi prior to their reunion.
- Another potential motive. Maybe Servine was appalled by Gigi abandoning White and sending her into her Heroic BSoD so she became White's partner as a means to apologize or make up for Gigi's betrayal?
- Jossed. Her team is now complete and there is no Emolga in sight.
- Jossed as well. Like in the BW games, N got Zekrom.
- Jossed: They're only doing their own thing while waiting for them to be fixed.
Regarding the Second Chapter
- Jossed.
Cut to 2 years later, where Cheren now lives as a gym leader and teacher in Aspertia City. He encounters Hugh somehow, whether through a gym battle or by other means, and Hugh's goal on seeking revenge against Team Plasma gets mentioned. Hugh would probably start questioning why Team Plasma has been doing such immoral things. Having been influenced by the team himself, Cheren gets into a long conversation about morals, revenge, reaching your dreams and all that jazz. And once all's been said and done, Cheren decides to give his Pokédex to him. And thus begins Hugh's journey as the third Dex Holder of the Unova region.
- Well, Petashi is indeed from Aspertia City, but the Hugh part is jossed with Rakutsu and Faitsu receiving Pokédexes.
- Also jossed regarding the fate of Cheren's Pokédex. It was completely destroyed by N.
- Likely Jossed again... one of his contemporaries already has a Dewott. And is established as a Dexholder. I wouldn't be surprised if Cheren gave Rakatsu "his" Pokédex... At least I called said Dewott not being either Bianca's or Cedric's... Hugh will probably get Snivy instead...
- Cheren's Pokédex broke.
- From what I was seeing in the reports, I thought It was destroyed, not merely broken, again...
- Now we see that Hugh has a Snivy.
- Cheren's Pokédex broke.
- Given that Rakutsu is a member of Interpol and Looker's superior, it's likely that it can be jossed for him. Plus, Cheren and Bianca would probably recognize their two friends if they WERE brainwashed.
- Plus, Rakatsu has a Dewott of his own. So much for Hugh being "Gray"...
- And since White does appear at the Pokéstar studios at the same time as Whitley...well, this whole thing is jossed.
- Plus, Rakatsu has a Dewott of his own. So much for Hugh being "Gray"...
- Racket, Faist
- Racto, Fasto
- Names sounding similar to "black" and "white" (Blake, Wheatly)
- Synonyms for "black" (Coal, Ebon, Jet, Pitch, Slate) and "white" (Snow, Light, Ivory, Vanille)
- Foreign names that mean "black" and "white" (similar to Cheren and Bianca)
- Black 2; White 2
- Gray and Rosenote
- Gray and Grey
Shogakukan Asia released Volume 52 in December 2016, and they use Viz's translations. Their names them Blake and Whitley.

- Problem with this theory is that unlike Pikachu, Zorua was never a starter. Besides, that particular Zorua has made it clear that it wants to stay by N's side, not leaving him even when released.
- By that logic, Gigi is available once again. Bonus points for White to technically consider her N's which would probably make Faitsu want to get her. Further bonus if Hugh gets a Snivy, completing the triangle between them and Rakatsu.
- Hm, Gigi's not that available, seeing how she decided to return to the Agency after feeling that battling isn't really her thing. Unless Faitsu decides to take an acting job at Pokéstar studios or something.
- What do you know, Faitsu finds out that she likes acting...
- Hm, Gigi's not that available, seeing how she decided to return to the Agency after feeling that battling isn't really her thing. Unless Faitsu decides to take an acting job at Pokéstar studios or something.
I speak, of course, of Eevee, which can also be found in Castelia City in Black 2 & White 2 only. Bonus for the possibility for being an Early-Bird Cameo for Gen 6 in general and the Fairy Type (via Sylveon) in particular.
- Nope, it's gonna be Purrloin.
- Purrloin never started in a game, main or side, so it doesn't qualify as a "Starter". i.e. Saur is Red's "Starter", not Poli, even though the latter was first; Explotaro and Mega are Gold's and Crystal's respective "Starters", though they both had a few Pokémon before them. etc. And, with regards to my previous theory, the closest that Purrloin got to being a Mascot Mook is A Noodle Incident involving Cilan in the Anime.note
- Except that the woman who stole the Purrloin looks be at least ten years older than Hugh and has uncolored hair. Unless you're suggesting that Faitsu is a Time Lord or something, I'd say this is safely Jossed.
- Anime age. That is all. Besides, this is the same universe where 10 years old is the legal age for everything, Kaijus pop out of spherical capsules, and castles can pop out of the ground without any structural damage, and you're saying Faitsu is YOUNG!?!?! How about you look at her artwork. Her legs are too long, her breasts are slightly more unnatural than Rosa's were, and the Tsurime Eyes just scream "at least 18 years old" to me!
- Twelve year olds can have growth spurts and big boobs in real life (it's only a problem if everyone has big boobs, which isn't the case in Pokéspe), and both Platinum and Ruby have tsurime eyes at age 12. Besides, that woman really doesn't look at all similar to Faitsu. And despite all the fantastical elements that Pokéspe has, at least it has a solid timeline that does not adhere to Comic-Book Time. In any case, five years ago, that woman looks older than Faitsu does now.
- Three years. Also, this is a black and white comic, and the prologue comic was a teaser/pilot. It's natural to have her change hair color. She probably even dyed it so no one would think her to be a Plasma member. At any rate, THIS IS KUSAKA. You're really gonna say my theory is completely false? Even in the WMG section, where everything and anything is possible? That's just mean.
- Five years. Two years before B2W2, three years before BW. And yes, the latest chapters all but confirm that Faitsu is currently twelve, and that would have made her seven in the prologue. If you can honestly tell me with a straight face that the Plasma grunt woman is seven years old...and retconning the chapters in the volumes would mean all the extra work for Yamamoto to redo the art. Even in WMG, there are limits you know, or else I could say that Faitsu is actually Celebi in disguise.
- B2W2 seems a lot like spy fiction lite, so there's no reason Faitsu could've put on a disguise, or lied to people. That girl is NOT 12, that is way too freaking Tsurime for my Suspension of Disbelief to hold up. And three years; Hugh didn't appear in B1W1, so he couldn't have fought Plasma. And if it was 5 years, then Faitsu was 12 or 13 in that flashback.
- Latest chapters confirm that Faitsu is indeed 12 years old right now. Also confirmed are that the team plasma members that stole Purrloin are on Ghetsis' Team Plasma.
- Anime age. That is all. Besides, this is the same universe where 10 years old is the legal age for everything, Kaijus pop out of spherical capsules, and castles can pop out of the ground without any structural damage, and you're saying Faitsu is YOUNG!?!?! How about you look at her artwork. Her legs are too long, her breasts are slightly more unnatural than Rosa's were, and the Tsurime Eyes just scream "at least 18 years old" to me!
Granted, what's not to say that, in this continuity, both Purrloin are one and the same?note
- Jossed. Lack-Two's Dewott and Bianca's Oshawott were shown in the same place.
- Yep. N destroyed Cheren's Dex in Cedric's lab. Too bad N didn't think to take it, but that's just not his style. Also would've appreciated the chance for Cheren to discover just what "true strength" is...
- Perhaps this Tournament will, like the Tournament in the Emerald arc, be after The Cavalry arrived from abroad to put down Ghetsis once and for all.
- YES! YES! And hopefully being older, they also decide to engage in romance. The shipper in me demands it.
- The PWT is still under construction at the time of the chapter, so unless there's a time skip at the end that shows its completion and somehow gets every dex holder to come (which by then would mean no threat to fight anymore), this is jossed.
- Jossed.
There's just one thing they may have overlooked: In order to be able to escape at the end of the 1st BW chapter, they had to put Black into the Light Stone. So when Reshiram merges with Kyurem and Zekrom, Black's soul goes with it. Can you say "Heroic Possession?" The best case scenario for Plasma would be if Kyurem shows obvious signs of Fighting From The Inside, such that they attempt to avert "Why Don't You Just Shoot Him?"
The attempt would fail, of course: my money is on Black living and coming back to his body and the real world. Whether the Tao Trio survives may be another matter...
- Semi-jossed. They don't attempt to create the original dragon, but Black did have an idea of attacking Kyurem from the inside once fused with it.
- That would require all the people in there to call the Pokémon by their English names, unless it's being "translated" to the readers. Maybe he got it from Lt. Surge, also known as the Lightning American.
- Hm, that is true. Although I can't really wrap around the idea of "America" existing in this universe, what with Unova already being partly based on it and all. Plus, not all of the gym leaders are completely based on their game counterparts (Misty isn't rich in the games), so it's not certain whether Lt. Surge is American in this manga unless stated otherwise. Nonetheless, if he is American (which is likely), the idea of the Kalos region calling Pokémon by their English/Spanish/Italian/whichever names is still an interesting concept to think about.
- Technically, Kalos is Poké-France. Doesn't Joss the theory outright, but it does disconnect the "evidence" from it.
- Seems unlikely. X (Calem) and Y (Serena) are childhood friends, and Team Flare comes very close to killing Y, only to be stopped at the last possible moment by X's Kangaskhan.
- Seeing as Y is a girl in a Japanese non-Magical Girl manga, it's safe to say X is the main protagonist here.
- Y has no relatives in Team Flare. Absolutely jossed.
As a bonus, here's how I think it'll break down:
- Trevor: Bulbasaur
- Shaunanote : Charmander Allowing her to Take a Level in Badass over the course
- Tierno: Squirtle
- (Same Troper) A little clarification may be in order here: True, the Squirtle line doesn't learn any dance moves.note However, The Bulbasaur line doesn't have the body frame for dancing.note As for Charmander, I was taking its stock final evolution into account: true, it's very agile, but it flies. Ergo it's not what we'd think of as a dancer.
- Well, doesn't seem likely any of this is happening as X got Sycamore's Charmander.
- And now it's totally jossed. The out-of-universe reason X got Charmander was just so he and Blue (Green in Japanese) can show off both of Charizard's Mega forms. Red and Green (Blue in Japanese) later show off their starters' Mega forms.
- This also counts as it means His cheerful Nice Guy personality has a more morose undertone.
- Granted the manga barely even started, if at all, hence why this is here.
- And now it has ended. Jossed.
- Ruby's Castform once used Sunny Day during a downpour, but the sunlight was concentrated at an incredibly small radius. Crasher Wake needed all three of his Pokémon to use Rainy Day to return the water back to Lake Valor after the Galactic Bomb hit, at that was immediately after it went off. Mega Charizard's ability, in-universe, probably isn't going to have the same devastating effects as Groudon.
- What about Charizard's "X" Forme?
- There were no repercussions shown in the climax. Jossed.
- What about in B2W2? Mewtwo still has his new signature move to show off, and Special makes the effort to introduce every new Pokémon and move before a generation is over. And Mega Evolution was first technically introduced in the fifth generation, thanks to the anime.
- I didn't know Special does that for Pokémon moves. Anyway, how about Mewtwo returns in the B2W2 chapter to explain his progress and says he has a lead seemingly pointing to Sird having fled to Kalos? It'd be a good way to tie the chapter to the XY chapter.
- Jossed on the Sird part. Still waiting for B2W2 to finish, though.
- The B2W2 arc has now ended, which Mewtwo's signature move was shown in the XY arc.
- I didn't know Special does that for Pokémon moves. Anyway, how about Mewtwo returns in the B2W2 chapter to explain his progress and says he has a lead seemingly pointing to Sird having fled to Kalos? It'd be a good way to tie the chapter to the XY chapter.
- Jossed. Malva got Fennekin.
Potential Omega & Alpha Chapter
- Jossed.
We'll be getting a lot of For Want of- and In Spite of a Nail moments. Depending on the backstory, the Greatest Failure of Norman, Ruby, and Sapphire might not happen allowing us to see the latter two as they could've been and triggering an avalanche of "nails". Then again, this universe's Ruby and Sapphire are Doomed By Canon, but not necessarily to death...
Finally, we could get a bonus round detailing the actual Bittersweet Ending in Spe-2 and the after effects of the loss of Steven, Norman, Ruby, and Sapphire in that Universe. We could also get indications on whether the DPP, BW (both parts), and/or XY chapters occur in Spe-1, Spe-2, or any other Universe, as well as whether other Dex holders exist in Spe-2.
conversely...
- Jossed. This chapter is a retelling of the Delta Episode.
- According to Viz's translations, the way Ruby worded was not that Celebi brought them to another timeline, but that Celebi went back in time and fudged the current one.
- All speculation the arc will be based on this supposed alternate timeline (which this troper has always been of the opinion was a misunderstanding anyway) has been jossed with the previews, which show the three Hoenn Dex holders having aged up a little.
- With the chapter over and none of this brought up, it's most likely jossed. He and Sapphire spent time together after the Emerald arc gathering data for the Pokédex. There's no precise date for when the BW Agency, but White's age should give a good clue. All that said, though, it is still possible that he could have visited other regions.
- Jossed, Ruby and Sapphire bonded with the Sacred Dragon and Mega Evolved it in space.
- Jossed, that was done by Archie and Maxie.
- JOSSED. Wally is seen with Aaron making secret bases in his one and only cameo in the whole chapter.
- Not. He isn't the champion, but he does make more appearances, showing up and helping Ruby out against Rayqueza.
- Eh, not too sure. He still isn't named after a game, not to mention that not even in the remakes does he get a starter or a Pokédex.
- Jossed.
- Confirmed about Sapphire, jossed about Wally.
Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon
- Jossed. Sun and Moon simply changes their cloths and hairstyles to match the released games. Heck, it doesn't seem like alternate realities are even a thing in Pokéspe.
- Jossed. Neither Sun nor Moon gets a Poppilo.
- Jossed.
- A bit too fanfic-y, don't you think?
- Mostly likely jossed. Wicke is reorganizing the Aether paradise.
- Confirmed?
- Jossed. Just like before, the male mc takes the name after the "first" of the 2 version, and the second for the female one. However, their names are unique.
- Jossed. That said, she does get her Pokémon stolen...
- Semi-Jossed. Schilly's Scorbunny evolves to Raboot in the gym battle against Nessa.
- RBG Year: 1997. Time Skip: None. RGB: 11. Y: 9. GSC: 8. R: 7. S/E: 6. DPP: 2. BW: 2. (The year the first volume was published. Makes sense to start there)
- Yellow Year: 1999. Time Skip: 2 Years RGB: 13. Y: 11. GSC: 10. R: 9. S/E: 8. DPP: 4. BW: 4.
- GSC Year: 2000. Time Skip: 1 Year. RGB: 14. Y: 12. GSC: 11. R: 10. S/E: 9. DPP: 5. BW: 5.
- RS Year: 2001. Time Skip: 1 Year. RGB: 15. Y: 13. GSC: 12. R: 11. S/E: 10. DPP: 6. BW: 6
- FRLG Year: 2002. Time Skip: 1 Year. RGB: 16. Y: 14. GSC: 13. R: 12. S/E: 11. DPP: 7. BW: 7.
- Emerald Year: 2002. Time Skip: ½ Year. RG: 16. B: 17. Y: 15. GSC: 14. R: 12. S/E: 12. DPP: 8. BW: 8.
- HGSS Year: 2004. Time Skip: 2 Years. RG: 18. B: 19. Y: 17. GSC: 16. R: 15. S/E: 14. DPP: 10. BW: 10. (Did anyone actually refer to the Battle frontier incident as '3 years ago', or anything to that effect?)
- Yes they did. Also, Emerald took place two-three months after FRLG, not half a year.
- DPP Year: 2006. Time Skip: 2 Years. RG: 20. B: 21. Y: 19. GSC: 18. R: 17. S/E: 16. DPP: 12. BW: 12. (2006 fits with Dia having a Wii.)
- The Sinnoh chapters take place after HGSS.
- BW Year: 2008. Timeskip: 2 Years. RG: 22. B: 23. Y: 21: GSC: 20. R: 19. S/E: 18. DPP: 14. BW: 14. (Unova is basically the Pokémon world America, and 2008 was an important year for America.)



- Not a WMG, but actually canon, as the original artwork for a potential female player character went on to influence the creation of the Lass trainer class.
- Well, it does go along with the blonde hair. And the shortness.
- I've always looked on the relationship between Aura and the Viridian powers as the relationship between The Force and The (Fallanassi) Current, the former focusing on active actions with the latter focusing on passive modifications; and also a reflection on the adaptations' respective (true) Chosen Ones. Anyway, I haven't seen any examples of Aura healing in the Anime.
- This seems confirmed.
- Well, some people did. Perhaps Pokémon Origins was a testbed for PokéSpe-type stuff. Heck, judging from the first few episodes of the X&Y season, the anime writers themselves are getting tired of it.
- Yeah, no. The Mangaka is a fan of the anime (he even drew Ash once) AND owns any and all Manga original characters and content, making an accurate adaption would require going back to fiercely outdated stuff from Red and Blue, back before the introduction of Dark, Steel and Fairy types, and several other reasons. This will never happen.
- Maybe they could appear in Pokémon Masters.
- If a Kanto remake ever has an androgynous player option, Yellow (with her hat) could work.