- Him being surpised at Pai Mei having taught her the 5 point palm exploding heart technique more or less reinforces how little he really knows her. If he did he shouldn't have been surprised.
- Given his age, Bill is probably more familiar with the pre-Crisis iteration of Superman where Clark Kent is indeed the disguise.
- This is now part of my personal canon. Thank you.
- Playing piano at a church would be fitting job for the newly religious Jules.
- He also mentions how he "walks the earth" playing piano all across the country. Jules Winfield said he would "walk the earth" at the end of Pulp Fiction.
- In fact he said he'd walk the earth "You know, like Caine in Kung Fu" and ends up being killed in a massacre committed by...Caine, from Kung Fu.
- Jules Winfield was based on a man named Saint Moses the Black, who was a criminal until he had a religious experience and became a monk, and then later a priest. He eventually died as an old man defending a monastery from a group of bandits, who killed him and seven others. Let's see...not counting the baby and the Bride, since they weren't killed, there were how many people? I believe... eight (Reverend and mother, four friends, groom, Jules Winfield). Eight.
- Rufus was none other but FBI Agent Neville Flynn. Both films feature serpents... of a sort. Clearly his infiltration of a ceremony featuring a suspected assassin was one of his earlier missions. He didn't die, either. Blood packs.
- I came to this page looking for this. I came to the same conclusion (about Jules being Rufus) and I'm pleased to see i'm not the only one!
- I also decided this on my own, but he's not dead. He's too badass to die.
- I think he's still alive. As for "God put him right where he wanted him." his death was a punishment for what he did as a hitman, but he gets to go to Heaven.
- Alternate reality, nothin'. Bill is the original Kwai Chang Caine. What can I say, that many years can change a man... and God knows what horrors Pai Mei put him through before deeming him worthy of the secret to eternal life.
- No. Elle will be the blind master who will adopt and train Nikki Green (Copperhead's daughter) to take revenge on the woman who murdered her mother in front of her. Nikki and B.B. (the Bride's daughter) will be best friends, attending the same school (they're both the same age). The Bride even said that she'll be waiting, should Nikki ever seek revenge.
- And since Beatrix is no doubt now in hiding, Nikki will need to learn how to hunt a person down. Perhaps from a charming old German immigrant with an interesting scar.
- Nikki will be issued Budd's Hanzo sword.
- Elle will be Zatoichi; Sofie Fatale will be the One Armed Swordswoman. That depends on whether the deleted scene showing Sofie's other limbs getting chopped off is canon, though.
- There will be a hilarious scene where Elle and Sofie team up...and try to drive a car.
- That would be an incredibly wasted opportunity
- Jules Winfield will be there too, having decided that God led him to that church to witness the birth of a great evil. He will come out of retirement for one last job, and help Nikki kill The Bride.
- No, Elle will team-up with another blind assassin: Special Agent Sands.
- Think about it for a minute. Angelica is The Bride, Suzie Carmichael is Copperhead, Lil is Elle Driver, Kimmi is Oren Ishii, Tommy is Budd, and Dil is Bill. Angelica's crazy as it is, Kimmi's Asian and not from the US, Suzie's black, Lil at the beginning of the series was the only other female peer, and Tommy and Dil are brothers.
- The crazy 88 are the Mr. Friend dolls.
- That's all well and good until you remember that Tommy and Dil are Angelica's cousins, which means that Angelica would have been pregnant with her cousin's baby.
- Also, Angelica was a toddler when Dil was born and The Bride is a few decades younger than Bill.
- Yes, this does mean that Quentin Tarantino exists in the universe of Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction.
- This was already part of this troper's fanon, actually
- Tarentino said in one of his interviews that he made Kill Bill so if the cast of Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs would watch it they would like it.
- I believe this has been confirmed.
- Supposedly, this has been confirmed by Word of God.
- It's almost indisputable - he has the same distinctive rings (and sword) that we see in the shot of Bill's hand when he's talking on the phone to Elle in the first movie.
- No, that is incorrect, I just watched both scenes back to back. When Bill is speaking to Elle Driver on the phone you only see his right hand, and he has an emerald ring on his third finger. The assassin in white has a ruby ring on his first finger. Also you do not see the man in white's sheathe, so saying the swords are identical is kind of hard to prove since that is what is most distinctive about Bill's. You can see that the wrapping on the hilt is similar, but there are no little rubies between.
- My only problem with this is that, why the hell would O-Ren then want to work with him? He helped murder her parents; unless we're going to say she's completely dispassionate by that point, I don't see her allying with such a person.
- She was hiding the entire time, so she probably never got a clear view of the killer, and never knew it was Bill.
- Alternately, as a professional assassin, she only blames the person who calls the hit, not the killer.
- On the other hand, O-Ren beheaded somebody because he verbally mocked her american ancestry. It would be odd that such a character decided to forgive the person who actually mudered her father out of professional courtesy.
- This would explain a lot, and leads into...
- Also, it adds an extra level of punishment for those later on the list: Extra time to know and fear that she is coming to kill them.
- I agree that O-Ren and The Bride had been the closest out of all of the assassins working with Bill. I also think there was at least a lot of mutual respect. O-Ren understands revenge better than anyone in the vipers.
- There's also the fact that the Bride knew O-Ren's whole life story, and narrated it for the audience.
- Also, their battle was the longest if you count getting through the Crazy 88 and definitely the most honorable.
- I think the whole kill order transitions this way: she was close friends with O-Ren, and fairly friendly with Vernita. I'm guessing her relationship with Budd was almost entirely professional. But she HATED Elle!
- O-Ren also apologized after mocking the Bride. The Bride accepted the apology and asked if O-Ren was ready... something that she did not afford the others on her list. She also seemed somewhat remorseful when she fought her, implying that there was a part of her that still felt kinship with O-Ren.
- There's also the fact that the Bride knew O-Ren's whole life story, and narrated it for the audience.
- California Mountain Snakes aren't venomous.
- Then he prepared for Sidewinder venom. The point is he didn't think Elle would use Black Mamba venom, given her relationship with the Bride.
- The House of Blue Leaves was built over the site of the house in The Grudge and has now an alluring aura for those seeking revenge.
- That's actually a very clever theory. A No-Prize for you, my friend.
- Interesting theory but why would O-Ren find anything unusual to look into? She knows why the Bride attacked her and her people, she was one of the one that tried to kill the Bride on Bill's orders. If anything after the Bride was killed by her she'd be happy, she'd ended her friend's pain after she put up a great fight and will be known as the one who killed the Black Mamba, boosting her reputation.
- Pretty sure word of god has stated that giving O-Ren a juicy backstory was done in order to convince Lucy Liu to take the role
- That sequel would be amazing.
- Considering there were two gunshots and a lot of screaming during their talk, it makes a lot of sense that she would've woken up.
- Not really, considering she fell asleep watching Shogun Assassin, and there was screaming and shots on the TV.
- That would explain why she didn't wonder what happen to her dad.
- Also why he made a point to explain that Daddy hurt Mommy before the final fight, so she would understand that Daddy had it coming.
- Tarantino originally wanted Chiaki Kuriyama (Gogo) and Kou Shibasaki (Yuki) as sisters (Chigusa and Mitsuko from Battle Royale respectively). Due to conflicting schedules, Kou Shibasaki was unavailable so Tarantino changed it to twins before scrapping the idea altogether. (I would love to see Shibasaki in the sequel however)
This self-realization is what allows him to be the only character who snags the Bride. He doesn't play by Bill's rules, which he knows she follows. I also think that this allowed him to be the most effective assassin in the group when they were still together. Because he didn't fuck around. It also likely makes him more like historical Ninja than anything Bill ever could achieve.
- The Bride has a lot of in-depth knowledge on O-ren's past and origins. The Bride gives us more background on O-Ren than she does on herself.
- Finishing each other's sentences in the "Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids" line is clearly a past inside joke between them.
- O-Ren apologizes to the Bride for insulting her during their fight.
- O-Ren's death is the only kill in the movies (besides Bill's) that the Bride cries over.
- This is because...
- This also explains why people can bring swords onto commercial passenger aircraft and not arouse suspicion.
- And why the only police we ever see in the movie are the ones cleaning up after the Massacre at Two Pines. If the whole story is all going on in the Bride's head, they don't belong in her revenge-fantasy.
- A first hint comes from Budd. Upon hearing about all this, he remarks that it is typical for the Japanese to never forget a grudge they bear against someone. Bill and Hanzo indeed seem to have had a personal conflict back in the old days.
- Then, when Bill and the Bride finally meet again, he asks her if Hattori Hanzo's sushi is still that bad. This indicates that Bil actually has tasted Hanzo's food. When has this been? When Bill still was Hanzo's pupil in katana fighting? Maybe, but a weapon smith who can't cook that good is hardly remarkable.
- This leads us to the conclusion that Bill actually has once visited Hanzo's restaurant, probably shortly after Hanzo did retire and celebrated his grand opening. Back in these days, the two must still have been friends, because you'd hardly let your sworn enemy enter your house. Bill came as friend, tasted the food, was asked how he liked it, gave an honest answer - and departed as Hanzo's enemy.
- I think Hanzo is supposed to be a good guy. I never watched the TV series but from what I understand, it's a long line of do-gooders who make really good swords. Bill took his training and swords and not only became an assassin but trained others to be assassins as well. Feeling betrayed, Hanzo retired and became a devout Buddhist.
- Much as we would like that theory to be correct, it is simply far too unreasonable to assume that Pai Mei - the man known to turn people into a red mist for so much as thinking about him wrong and who has previously plucked out Elle's own eye for giving him sass, would actually allow her to go after attempting to murder him. If he was in any shape to do anything whatsoever at any point during the process, there wouldn't have been enough left of Elle to fit in a rice bowl.
Obviously, we know that Elle killed Pei Mei after he tore her eye out. We don't know exactly when this happened but it's implied that it happened during her training. Now, the Bride had already gone through training and it seems that Vernita went through training with Pei Mei since she could go hand-to-hand with the Bride. Considering O-Ren was Bill's protege', we can assume that she also recieved training (we never see her martial arts skills). This would leave Elle as the last person to be trained and we know how that ended. Everyone seemed to have a low opinion of Budd's skill. Obviously, he let himself go, but when Bill asked if he was still practicing sword-fighting, martial arts never came up. Budd certainly didn't expect the Bride to punch her way through the coffin (seems that technique was the very first lesson.) He was next in line to be trained and it never happened due to Elle.
After the original Basterds successfully killed Hitler and ended the war in the European Theatre, Lt. Raine was ordered to put a new team together and do the same to the Japanese. Among the members were two young OSS agents who were familiar with Japanese martial arts and culture.
Let's face it, if the guy's a murdering bastard, he's a magnificent murdering bastard. That said, his real reason for orchestrating the Massacre may have been because he didn't want to live without the Bride, and so orchestrated the massacre in a manner that would allow the Bride to survive, knowing full well she'd be after his blood if she did survive. Then he took their child after the doctors were able to save her and settled down to a quiet life to await the day the Bride would kill him. This would probably explain why he's such a Graceful Loser when the Bride hits him with the dim mak she had learned from Pai Mei, the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique.
It was just a lie to antagonize the Bride. Pai Mai is too wise and powerful to be killed so easily.
The five point palm technique was never taught to Elle in her training montage...the move doesn't work and Bill simply plays along to make her believe he died, the best way out for both of them.In the final credits (the black and white ones) the actors of those on the kill list have their names crossed out (Elle Driver's actress has a question mark) apart from Bill...his name is left uncrossed. He's still alive. http://imgur.com/a/hgzIz
- Given David Carradine's Actor Existence Failure , it would be an accomplishment to bring him back if a sequel happens.
- This is foreshadowed by the earlier scene where they're playing Cops and Robbers and Beatrix pretends to die. It's just a game all over again.
- If you watch Bill, he actually takes 6 steps, instead of 5 before dropping. so supported by mistake?
- Interesting theory, although the actress who played the original Nikki is 21 as of 2016, and the actress who played B.B. turns 19 this year, so they're definitely old enough to play their vengeful characters as adults.
This theory is especially wild, because of the drastic Genre Shift from action movie to...spy drama? Yeah, spy drama seems to be the best fit here, what with the assassination mission and the emotional conflict.
She will Hand Beatrix's sword back to her, saying something along the lines of "I'm certain you have a good idea where to stick it. I'm going to leave you now and live a life that wasn't chosen for me."
Bill most likely has several people all over the world who want him dead, the problem is that he is probably one of the deadliest people on the face of the Earth and has some equally deadly allies all over the world. The Di VAS being the least of them. So how do you kill, you send someone who is not only as deadly as he is, but also someone, against whom, due to remorse as well as no small amount of remaining love, Bill is powerless.
Also think about all the money and resources the Beatrix would have needed just to travel as a part of her Roaring Rampageof Revenge. She has been in a coma for four years, how would she have gotten them, unless someone was bankrolling her.
The Bride will go back to being an assassin, and her daughter will be at her side, assisting in the killings like Daigoro assisted his father.
- in the continuity that Tarantino's other movies (Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, True Romance, Inglourious Basterds, etc.) take place in; possibly even a movie that Mia Wallace made during her time as an actress.
- I read somewhere a theory that 'Kill Bill' was either a reboot or a sequel to 'Fox Force Five', with Mia Wallace's character as the central character.
- After all, Boss Matsumoto was a pedophile
The stinger comes, when, as a parting gift, Bill asked Hanzo to make him a sword. A Hattori Hanzo sword. Ergo, Hanzo breaking his oath. Probably at this time he had Hanzo make a sword for Budd as well.
Hanzo, thinking that he had taught the art of the samurai sword to Bill for a good purpose, was upset at the fact that he was an assassin. Plus points if, after all, Hanzo was like a father figure to Bill.
At first, like when he made his sword for the Bride, he is beset by deep regret and sorrow on having broken his oath. But soon after, he found renewed purpose and renewed his oath to not make something that kills people.
That is, until the Bride came along and asked for a sword from him again and make him break his oath yet again.
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