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Crossover theories
"Madoka is really set in the X universe", "QB is dealing with X villain", etc etc. Just for Fun.- Strongly jossed in episode 8. Kyubey is actually contracting magical girls so that they become witches themselves, not to destroy every witch in existence.
- Alternatively, if Alaya is the counterforce of humanity and Gaia is the counterforce of the Earth, Kyubey is the counterforce of the Universe as a whole.
- Madoka's ascension made her a Heroic Spirit Independent of Gaia and Alaya
- Incubators have access to the Third Sorcery (Materialization of the Soul) and Homura has access to the Second Sorcery (Operation on Parallel Worlds)
- Or....
- She doesn't need a container and if she turns into an MS she can fight using her soul as a weapon. A combo of Eirin and Youmu.
- Both are the representation of the heart of the caster. Just like Unlimited Blade Works is a representation of Archer and his struggles, Sayaka's represents her desire for attention and wish to be loved by the person she cared about the most, which is shown by the concert.
- Witches can only live within the labyrinths, and that is the same as Nero Chaos who can only live by sustaining the reality marble that composes his body.
- Inside the Reality Marble, the caster has the most power available to him/her.
- Actually, calling the Barriers a Reality Marble is suprisingly accurate. Sealed off from Real World? Check. Takes into it anyone in range when activated? Check. Naturally used by things that could probably be considered demons? Check.
- The World is constantly trying to crush Reality Marbles, as they are abnormalities (the strongest Servants and Dead Apostles cannot maintain them for a single night because of this). Witches need to constantly feed on humans and absorb their lifeforce so they can maintain their bounded field and therefore survive.
- The Magical Girls themselves draw their attack power from their own Innate Bounded Fields. Their weapons are formed via powerful Projection magic, akin to Unlimited Blade Works, but can only manufacture one image (e.g. a sword, a bow, a ribbon...). Homura is something of an inversion; all her guns are stored within the Marble, and can therefore be summoned at will. When the girls become witches, their Reality Marble deploys and becomes a Barrier.
- Rebellion adds a lot more fuel to this fire. The majority of the movie takes place in Homura's Soul Gem, which, due to her witchification, ensnared everyone in a utopian, Mental World version of Mitakihara. Her Reality Marble is comparatively complex in the same way that the Moon Cell's Reality Marbles from Fate/EXTRA are.
The reason why Homura has enough magic to be worthy of a contract, despite lacking a true soul, is because homunculi have naturally strong Magic Circuits, but, also due to the Akemi clan's poor craftsmanship, she is one of the weaker Puellae Magi in terms of raw power. Also, as her template utilized time magic and guns, Homura is naturally attuned to both (she was already a master gunslinger by Timeline 4). And, since Kiritsugu fell in love with Irisviel, it's likely that Homura may be projecting those same feelings onto Madoka.
- With the revelation that Magical Girls become Witches, it seems more likely that magical girls are just Changelings, while Witches are True Fae, since Changelings can also become True Fae.
- The similarities go far, far beyond that. Witches are worlds unto themselves, beautiful and terrible worlds with surreal landscapes and shaky physical laws that mirror the witch's former personality's dreams in a very twisted way. Yet, witches are also lifelike characters, strange as they may be, who exist within the world which they are, and are also a host of small faceless minions in same. Girls who are exposed to witches often return to this world feeling like aliens, like everybody else is strange and distant and the world itself has changed forever. By contract, some of them gain powers similar to the witch's own they use to fight them, not knowing that as their powers grow and they become more detached from humanity, they are just getting closer to becoming witches themselves... There is just no end to this!
We can even theorize that the being known as Haruhi Suzumiya, as the creator of this system, is the First and most powerful Witch, complete with Barriers, Mazes, Labyrinths (Closed Spaces and existence itself) and Familiars (the Celestials, with the SOS Brigade and the Incubators acting as enslaved pseudo-familiars to enforce her will). This Witch is so powerful as to become The Omnipotent, with Madokami as nothing before the power of Haruhi. And of course, the fundamental ingredient for a witch is melancholy, another name for grief or depression, and according to the title what does Haruhi have? MELANCHOLY. So LOGICALLY...
- But the Haruhi hardened Incubators' hearts, that they hearkened not unto the weeping and wailing of Puella Magi; as the Haruhi had spoken unto Kyon.
- Actually, Haruhi never was a Witch, but the Goddess-(Re)Creator of Madoka's Crapsack World universe. Incubators, humanity, etc., were all created (or rather, recreated) by Her, and the structure of Reality as powered by the torture and despair of cute Moe Girls was all by Her melancholic Break the Cutie-fetish design.
- Alternatively, Haruhi wasn't a complete monster, but driven to near-insanity by realizing her Omnipotence. She created the Madokaverse and it was good, for her love of Moe tropes are what serves as a form of reason to live. But the Wrath, Lust and Insanity of The Haruhi shall intrude into the sugar bowl of Madoka's world, and so behold, the cute Magical Girls by whose sadness and eternal torture all the Realities are saved.
- Of course, Jesus Madoka eventually sacrificed herself to have a few treaties with Her...
- In exchange for being crucified for the amusement of The Haruhi.
- His form is what most people consider "cute" therefore lulling them into a false sense of security
- He grants them wishes, which baits them into becoming Magical Girls
- Their soul is put into a Gem for easier consumption and or manipulation when need be
- Him eating Soul Gem's is actually him consuming what's left of the former magical girls soul
- He then get's them into situations where they reach their Despair Event Horizon thus turning them into Eldritch Horrors which cause Human Suffering and thus amuses him.
- His goal for creating the Ultimate Witch is actually a ploy...to awaken the Great Old Ones from their earthly tombs, with Witch!Madoka as the catalyst.
- If he is Nyarlathotep, then he knows that his "entropy" reason for doing what he does is a farce, as you know...he's Messenger to the LIVING CENTER of the UNIVERSE and all. He just crafts this reason as a a method to give a reason to what he does that won't destroy their mind, and most teenage girls aren't knowledgeable enough in that field to call him out on it.
- He is intentionally causing Homura to constantly go through the Time Loop. For his own amusement
- Nyarlathotep has over 1,000 forms, the Mythos barely covers a 100 if that. It makes sense for him to have a form like this to make deals with mortals less difficult.
- His entire plot of creating God!Madoka actually is a method of WAKING UP AZATHOTH as she would generate a massive amount of power, which would be enough to awaken the living center of the universe, ENDING REALITY. That and we all know what happens next... on a immense scale of course.
Said Magical Girls mutate into Witches, which are a lot like mini-Azathoths that are the cores of their own dimensions. These mini-Azathoths are, in fact used by Nyarly and the Incubators to feed the dormant Greater God himself, Azathoth, essentially acting as drugs of sorts to keep it in dreaming all of reality. Thus, if Nyarly let his hatred/disgust of humans get the better of him, then all of existence, including himself and the rest of the Outer Gods may even be obliterated by Azathoth's awakening.
Nyarly and the Incubators act as assholey parasites that we think are out to destroy us For the Evulz, but in fact are parasites that know not to destroy their host yet, although Nyarly and some Kyubey may acquire a little amusement from their trolling. The Entropy story is just a coverup because us laypeople such as Madoka can't comprehend the workings of the Outer Gods. Turns out, laypeople and xenophobes afraid of the unknown, such as H. P. Lovecraft himself, will exaggerate their conceptions about the Incubators and turn them into apocalyptic horror tales. Alternatively, it's Metaphorically True, with Azathoth the "Nuclear Chaos" and his burgeoning awakening as representing Entropy.
Hence why they had the alternative, as in mutate Magical Girls into immortal Witches trapped in their own eternal Hells (do you wonder why their Grief Seeds can never be destroyed?) so that Yahweh's desire for some sort of eternal punishment is appeased while the Incubators and the rest of all the species in all of existence and nonexistence don't go into Hell. "The needs of the Many outweigh the needs of the few." This also parallels with Magical Girls, especially Madoka herself, acting as mini-Jesuses of sorts.
- The Incubators might have been a race that mastered alchemy, to the point that they can make a Philosopher's Stone out of a single being that still retains its sapience and strengthens itself with either its own emotions (as a Puella Magi) or sacrificing other people's souls (as a Witch).
- All of this has happened before, and will happen again. The Enemy Within and the Enemy Without are constantly being kicked in and out of the human soul.
- TA, TB and TC are also Incubators, and were planning to destroy Amaterasu who may or may not be, or have been created by, Homura as part of a plot to disrupt the time loops and overthrow Goddess Madoka. Terumi kills them and disrupts the plot either because he thinks he can do it better, or for the hell of it.
- Trinity and Luna were once true Magical Girls, but are now vying for time in Sena's body. Coincidentally, this means Platinum IS, in fact, a trap.
- Bang's nail has the power to sever Boundary connections only because it contains a Puella Magi's soul.
- Murakumo Units and dolls like Nirvana and Ignis operate on the same premise; they're Magical Girl souls with Restraining Bolts to force them to follow orders.
- Arakune became a Demon/Witch/Whatever because he crossed over the Boundary. Phantom probably became a Witch the same way because Madoka's influence doesn't extend outside of her Barrier.
- Tsubaki gets the power for her Astral Finish by invoking Goddess Madoka.
Another theory is Madoka becomes the Black Beast (aka Kriemhild Gretchen) in an alternative continuity instead of Ragna.
- And then that attention went to their universe, which was so incredibly screwed by The Corruption that it fell into her jurisdiction and she was able to guide everyone's souls to a better afterlife. (We actually see this afterlife in New Game Plus.)
- Nier is a rare male helper in Magical Girl Valhalla; but he doesn't mind if it means his daughter/sister Yonah will have a peaceful place to go. Madoka's a good kid, anyways.
- Related to the above; the black cat that Madoka and the cast have hanging around them was in fact Chen, in her cat form. Having accidentally ran through one of Yukari-sama's gaps that transported her off-Gensokyo, she ended up in the show's OP, leading to Yukari's discovery of the Madoka 'verse and seeing the show. Her sympathy for Madoka and Homura (which reminded her of a certain maid that made damned good cake) caused her to weaken the border between hope and despair, allowing Madoka to break through it (when combined with the power that she gained from the time loops it became a certainty that she would succeed) during the finale. Madoka now resides with the rest of Gensokyo as a new early Stage Boss (though absurdly powerful and uses lots of arrow spam, like Sakuya's knives, Madoka is still new to the Danmaku genre so she's still not that 'powerful' when ranked in the Spell Card system. Plus she's not really trying to "win."
- Madoka is in the place of Ryuki, only she is still unable (or unwilling) to transform. Her reactions to Kyoko and Sayaka fighting seem to mirror Shinji's reactions when he first sees a Rider Vs. Rider fight.
- She is also something of an Expy of Yui, in that the timeline is constantly being reset for her benefit. She also drew the magical girl outfits accurately, much like how Yui drew the Monsters of the Mirror World accurately, although these are for different reasons.
- And like Yui, it is by her Heroic Sacrifice that the whole terrible cycle is put to a close.
- She is also something of an Expy of Yui, in that the timeline is constantly being reset for her benefit. She also drew the magical girl outfits accurately, much like how Yui drew the Monsters of the Mirror World accurately, although these are for different reasons.
- Homura and Knight are both black and have Hidden Heart of Gold.
- She also shares some similarities with Odin, and by extension, Shiro. Powers over time? Check. Flash Step? Check. Constantly resetting time to get the ending she wants? Check.
- There's also the fact that Shiro also didn't want Shinji to be a rider, much like how Homura didn't want Madoka to be a Magical Girl.
- And perhaps the closest comparison to Shiro ever, she accepts Madoka's death much like how Shiro accepted Yui's death in the finale to get Bittersweet Ending.
- The fan art, before it was removed, compared her to Alternate Zero, who tried to end the senseless killing by trying to screwing over Shiro's (in this case, Kyubei) plans.
- Also, her shield is similar to TaJaDoru's shield.
- She also shares traits with Ryuga. Much like how Ryuga desires Ryuki to be one with him, Homura desires Madoka to be one with her... in the fan-interpreted way.
- And in Rebellion, Akuma Homura basically becomes the polar opposite of Ultimate Madoka, much like what Ryuga is to Ryuki.
- She also shares some similarities with Odin, and by extension, Shiro. Powers over time? Check. Flash Step? Check. Constantly resetting time to get the ending she wants? Check.
- Mami and Scissors. Yellow? Check. Killed off shortly after debut? Check. Eaten alive by Monster of the Week? Check. Heck, even the line they say in the battle (which takes place just before said death) is similar. Mami is not really evil, though. Unless you counted that one time in #10.
- She also shares some traits with Zolda. BFG? check. No Kill Like Over Kill Finishing Move? check. Both wishes have something among the lines of them wanting to live because they were dying? Check.
- She also shares some traits with Raia in which she is one of the nicest Magical Girls besides Madoka much like Raia being one of the nicest riders besides Ryuki (Okay, save for that one timeline in #10 for Mami and Kamen Rider Zi-O: Rider Time Ryuki for Raia, but you get the idea) and is a Big Brother Mentor compared to Raia.
- Kyouko is egoistic Magical Girl, and wields a stick. (With a blade at the end.) Yup, she's Puella Magi equivalent of Ouja.
- She is also compared to Zolda. A Jerkass who often butt heads with Knight.
- Sayaka fits Knight more. Her weapon is a sword, much like Knight's, she possess a cape and is colored blue, much like Knight's Super Mode, and her wish is similar to Knight's (wishing for their love to be better) and shows what might have happened to Knight after said wish was granted.
- Kyousuke fits someone who would have become a Kamen Rider, Miyuki's friend, Yuichi Saito. Both were musicians whose careers are ruined by a broken hand. Yuichi's wish, had he made the contract, was to cure his broken hands, much like how Sayaka's wish is to fix Kyousuke's hands.
- As for Kyuube... Coming out of nowhere, asking for - all right, demanding - the contract that grants the transformation with one's wish? Am I the only one to see the image of Kanzaki Shirou from this disturbingly Faustian Weasel Mascot?
- Other Ryuki References include...
- The multiple time-lines being shown in #10 have some semblance to "Episode Final" and "Thirteen Riders", one a movie and another a TV special that show how the show could have went.
- The witches' maze resembles Mirror World, in that it's where the battle between the protagonists and Monster of the Week takes place. They have that only Magical Girls/Kamen Riders can enter and exit anytime whereas humans can enter and never exit. As well as the No Body Left Behind thing.
- There is also the wish thing. Magical Girls make a wish and receive Magical Girl powers. Kamen Riders on the other hand get their wish after they murder twelve other riders.
- When a monster is defeated in both shows, they drop an item that the Magi/Riders can feed to their Monster/Gem. Don't feed your Mirror Monster? It eats you. Don't feed your Soul Gem? You become a Witch! Which is like dying.
- Forming a contract guarantees a "no-exit" clause in either show.
- There are also some resemblances with the American adaptation, Kamen Rider Dragon Knight. Kyubey is essentially a cute version of Xaviax: both take advantage of the magical girls'/Riders' moments of despair for their granting of wishes, and both play them like fiddles. Plus, Madoka and Kit both have Superpowered Evil Sides — Kriemhild Gretchen for Madoka and Kamen Rider Onyx for Kit, though the latter was actually just Dragredder taking control of Kit in his dreams.
- There is also an OOO resemblance. Kyubei is Ankh if he actually succeeded in fooling Eiji to being his tool. And he's turning into a Greeed, which is OOO's version of a Witch.
- And just like in OOO, Madoka manages to outsmart her Evil Mentor...
- There are also some comparisons that can be made between Kyoko and Ankh. Red? Check. Big Eater shown eating ice lollies? Check. Selfish? Check. They even share the same mispronounced nicknamenote
- There is also the ironic use of a catchphrase from a certain Kamen Rider. "Despair is your goal." Despair is what fights off entropy and is what Kyubei desires. So in other words, Despair is Kyubei's goal.
- Another possible translation to it is "Despair awaits you in the end." This is what happens to all Magical Girls.
- Ironically, the finale where Homura lets Madoka go, and then continues her crusade against the demons brings to mind Double's finale, where similar circumstances happen.
- There is also a comparison to Kamen Rider 555. In order to be a Kamen Rider in 555, you would have to be dead (most of the time), and demise usually follows those who do become Kamen Riders, much like the Puella Magi, albeit a little differently.
- And then there is a comparison with Sayaka and Kusaka. Sayaka's relationship with Kyousuke is Kusaka's relationship with Mari without the Yandere (we hope) aspects, uses a sword much like Kusaka, and dies near the end like Kusaka.
- In Decade's tour of Hibiki's World, Hibiki turns into Gyuuki after he stopped fighting for justice and tried to be strong for the sake of being strong. This happens to Sayaka, albeit for different reasons.
- Speaking of Decade, Walpurgisnacht's ability is to summon up fallen Magical Girls to do her bidding. Just like Diend and Basco...
- Also, the ending are similar with Kamen Rider Blade. Both Madoka and Kenzaki sacrifices their humanity for the sake of their best friends. In this case, Madoka and Kenzaki as goddess and Navy Joker respectively.
- Confirmed by Shinbou.
- Source?'
- Well, Urobuchi has written a Kamen Rider Show, Gaim. Let's rip it apart.
- Kouta takes cues from Madoka, as well as a few from Hitomi.
- As the expy of Madoka, he represents the Madoka who is already a Puella Magi and actively fights the enemy. He is one of the nicest people in the series, is willing to help anyone in need, and gets broken by events. Both are also Determinators. He also ascends to Godhood and Takes a Third Option to save the world, like Madoka did, and gets his Godhood removed from him temporarily (by Megahex). What he says about allies fighting amongst each other mirrors some of Madoka's lines.
- Regarding Hitomi Shizuki. Both of them are Determinators who Take a Third Option and blame themselves for losing Micchy and Sayaka (respectively) to the point of feeling sympathy for them. And just like Hitomi, Kouta is Mai's love interest, despite being unaware of this.
- Kaito is just Kyoko, but without the Big Eater trait. They both are red spear-wielders, they both are Social Darwinists and, while their fruit motifs may not match up, Kaito does use the Ringo lockseed in his V-Cinema. They both even have fathers who committed suicide, shaping their selfish personalities.
- Mitsuzane starts like Sayaka, an idealistic person who tried their best to do good, only to have situations out of their control screw them over and having their main reason to do good reject them, finally making them snap/fall into despair. He also had Homura's obsession with protecting his friends at any cost. Him becoming Ryugen Yomi also represents him becoming Akuma Homura to Kouta's Kiwami Arms's Ultimate Madoka.
- It can be said that the lyrics of Mitsuzane's Image Song can apply to Homura as well.
- Takatora, with the shield, cold personality and mysterious impression, in the beginning, represents the Homura from the first half of Madoka Magica.
- Mai is the half of Madoka who cannot fight. She's an All-Loving Heroine who is so selfless to the point of forgiving the likes of Micchy.
- She, like Kyousuke Kamijo, is the Sayaka expy's love interest, but she does not know that, and instead has her eyes swooning over Kouta.
- And after becoming the Woman of the Beginning, she is the other half of Ultimate Madoka, complete with Homura's time travelling powers.
- We have Ryoji Hase, who suffers the same fate as Mami (their deaths being the turning points of their respective series) and Sayaka (Turning into the very thing that they were fighting against). His death even aired one day (January 19, 2014) before Mami's (January 20, 2011).
- Oren is basically a more jerkass version of Mami. They share the cake motif and use foreign languages (Mami names her attacks in Italian, and Oren puts French in his speech), as well as being veterans (although in different regards. In a spin-off, they even gain new forms through being Mind Controlled.
- Hideyasu Jonouchi's relationship with Ryoji and Oren draws direct parallels to Nagisa Momoe. This is further strengthened in #12, since Hideyasu becomes the key instrument in Ryoji's demise, just like how Nagisa (as Charlotte, the Dessert Witch) sends Mami to her death.
- We have two expies for Kyubey, Sid and DJ Sagara. Sid was the one who provided the powers, while DJ Sagara is A trolling Magnificent Manipulative Bastard who is playing on both sides for his own agenda. He's even in the same position in the end with Kouta winning the Fruit and becoming a god, though unlike Kyubey, he can understand emotions and people, he's a force for progression, especially in Kouta's character, rather than pure manipulation, he's gracious with his defeat, if initially disappointed.
- Kouta takes cues from Madoka, as well as a few from Hitomi.
- In terms of combat:
- Gaim represents Sayaka, complete with a sword (in Orange Arms), a cape (in Kiwami Arms), and healing powers (as an Overlord).
- Baron is, obviously, Kyoko, with a lance and also the apple motif (in Ringo Arms)
- Ryugen is Mami, armed with firearms. Ryugen Yomi is Akuma Homura, as the Devil archetype to Gaim's Kiwami Arms' Messianic Archetype.
- Zangetsu has the shield, representing Homura, and Zangetsu Shin's melon motif and bow use mirrors Madoka. The transition from Zangetsu to Zangetsu Shin can represent Homura losing her time travelling powers, but getting powers similar to Ultimate Madoka. Makes one wonder what a Homura vs Akuma Homura fight would look like...
- Let's talk about the show itself...:
- Show starts off lighthearted but gets darker later on? Check. Enemy is insentient and focus is on interactions between Riders/Puella Magi? Check. Characters turning into enemy they were fighting against? Check.
- The summer film is oddly similar to Rebellion's concept, the characters finding themselves in an alternate universe where nothing bad that had happened in the show has occured. We also have Kouta fighting a hive mind who doesn't understand human emotion, like Kyubey.
- Heck, even some of the music is similar.
- Urobochi had openly stated that Chirico Cuvie, the lead character from Votoms, had inspired his life since his youth. Now consider Kyubey, one of the lead character from this show: shares similar name in Japanese, both are Determinator for their goals, and will never die for some sort of reason. Alternatively, either Madoka or Homura can replace Chirico as resident Determinator since:
- Madoka's presence and choices in the timelines affect the whole universe just like Chirico to the prolonged interstellar war.
- Votoms' Opening Theme, Destiny of Fire (Honou no Sadame), describes Chirico's fate and feelings among the wars he faced. Now replace Chirico with Homura (which also means "fire" in Japanese), and rethink her desparation to save Madoka in each timeline......Which is her fate to do so. And like Chirico fights for saving Fiona in the original, she also fights to save Madoka throughout the anime, though there're more twist than the original.
- Madoka saying goodbye to Homura (both naked) in the last episode is an obvious tribute to Votoms' original ending.
- Need concrete evidence? This fanmade video from Niconico Douga. 12 of the Votoms' Next Episode Previews are totally synchronous to what happens in each Madoka Magica episode.
- Kyuubey felt this was a good idea; but didn't go nearly far enough. Why scrape for power from a contract when you can get the lion's share? For a simple reality warp; contract with someone and then infect them with Magic Erebea. Suck as much power out you can; while having contractee's using fallen Magic Erebea users remains to stoke for a slightly slower burn. Then leave the area with the useable mana as the surviving Magical Erebea's blow everything to hell.
- Slenderman feeds off negative human emotions.
- Witches are a product of such. (Also, Grief Seeds)
- Magical girls eventually become Witches.
- Kyuubey forces girls into becoming magical girls.
- The magical girls hit their Despair Event Horizons and witch out.
- PROFIT!
- Slenderman is the closest form the Incubator has to a real form.
- It is known to create something similar to a witch's barrier. Some of its victims vanish. The same thing happens to people who die inside witches' barriers. Proxies are people affected by its witch kiss. Slenderman, like the witches, is responsible for "unexplained deaths and suicides". Slender sickness is a result of it feeding off its victim's grief.
- Its wish probably had something to do with protecting children.
- Alternatively, Kyuubey's a Nobody (he can't feel emotions, after all) and is trying to make the Puella Magi release enough hearts so that Kingdom Hearts will open for him.
- So all we need is a Xehanort's Heartless Expy and we're set! "GRIEF IS THE SOUL'S TRUE ESSENCE!"
Since he is a skilled actor, it explains why Madoka and co didn't suspect him.
I believe Chris Nolan somewhat has a hand in this series too.
- Bonus points for inheriting the same voice actress to boot.
- Homura is a lot like Ange, even having jumped to another timeline.
- This◊. (*Madoka episode 9 spoilers.)
- And this◊.
- As of episode 10, Homura is basically going through what Rika did. What if Homura's time jumps lead to the creation of a witch version of herself, just as Rika's world hopping created Bernkastel? Maybe that's just what Bern wants...
- And that created witch is Walpurgis Night.....
- Unfortunately for Bern, her new witch partner would not look like her average witch does... Unless she actually doesn't mind AT ALL.
- Kyuubee (Beatrice) is trying to get Madoka (Battler) to become a magical girl (believe in witches) and puts her in increasingly desperate situations to make her make that decision as everybody she knows and cares about is being killed left and right (increasingly inexplicable murders where everybody is dying).
- Clearly, the Incubators are a creation of Lambdadelta, while Homura is another independent avatar of Bernkastel, and Devil Homura is Bern assuming direct control. This also explains the Sudden Downer Ending; Bernkastel, after all, is the Anthropomorphic Personification of True Art Is Angsty, and was either unsatisied with the Surprisingly Happy Ending of the original anime and manga or wanted to teach a lesson to fans who were.
- AND NOW HE'S A WIZARD. His witch's kiss is The Dark Mark.
- He managed to keep his original Soul Gem (Horcrux) because he tricked Kyubey and blocked his power, so not all of his soul was poured into the gem. He didn't want to relinquish control of the situation. He slew Witches and members of the Wizarding Community to seem like a normal Magical Guy (R.I.P Myrtle...) but learned how to make his own Soul Gems/Horcruxes and, wanting absolute immortality and invulnerability, did, evading Kyubey and killing more people, increasing his power. Unfortunately he 'matured' into a full-blown Witch after graduating from Hogwarts and became the Big Bad we all know today. He was able to retain human form and speech because of his alternate Soul Gems/Horcruxes.
- You might be on to something. Kyubey also collects the energy created when Akuma are formed and when they evolve. Maybe the Noah are Magical People who managed to stay 'in between' Magic Girls and witches? Innocence are really Soul Gems too! Maybe Akuma and the Noah are all witches, too? But the Noah might be "evil" Magical People? Maybe Road designs all the Witch's Barriers, or they're all her different Dream Worlds?
- Could this mean that Dung Beetle and Kyuubei might be related to each other? Or the same person?
- The Kyubey are like Dark Eldar, sacrificing tortured souls to despair so that Chaos does not consume them instead.
- Speaking of Eldar, isn't their plot to create Ynnead basically their own version of Kriemhild Gretchen?
Sure the daemons are less forgivable (and in fact, less powerful: if Episode 12 is to be believed.) than Witches, since witches are tragic Magical Girls, while daemons are made from wandering Chaos, but fast-forward to the events of pre-40k (expansion of the human population to trillions, the Horus Heresy, Birth of Slaanesh, and the Eye of Terror as a whole) and you can see what the daemons have become, i.e., the Ruinous Powers of Chaos, with their own Hell/Alternate Dimension/Witch Barrier (The Warp, or Hyperspace).
Not only that, It's safe to say that Magical Girls and other people who have encountered an Incubator may have been under Excommunicate Traitoris under the Ecclesiarchy or Inquisition due to using the daemons as a Source of power (Or they're just burned along with the majority of psykers from sheer superstition if they aren't fed to the Emperor). Guessing that you've seen the horrors of 40k before, You can easily say that Kyubey's method is a lot nicer than an exterminatus. And even an Exterminatus is one of the "nicest" things a planet can go.
- Alternatively: In the grim darkness of the far future, after the disaster of the Age of Strife, with humanity on the brink of extinction, Madoka decided to rise up and manifest Herself in a physical manner again, creating a new identity to save Humanity and inspire Hope and Faith in Her species once again. The identity: The Emperor of Mankind. As for why Madoka chose a male form, even She knew She had to be tough in the grim dark future. Well they're both Jesus...
- Actually, the Emperor of Mankind existed before Madoka; though its entirely possible that Madoka is responsible for giving the Emperor his Omniscience...Oh wait.
- But since the Emperor was born in REALLY old times (8000 B.C.), She may have ONCE created him as an agent of hope, continuously serving the years masquerading as notable figures. And became the last line of offense for humanity when it went downhill. Considering that she's a Goddess who apparently redid everything else...she had a lot of time offscreen.
- I usually think of Madokami as the primary consciousness behind the Astronomican.
- Chaos you say? For all we know it could be the same thing.
- The Puella Magi system is the backup system the Master threatened to destroy.
- Alternatively, thanks to Madoka's intervention an improved version of the Block Transfer Computation replaces the Puella Magi system (although it's more literal since demon-harvesting does involve Kyubey eating literal blocks).
- YOU DARE INVOKE MIMA ON THIS PAGE? Oh yeah, you asked for it. TOUHOU EPILEPTIC TREE TIME!
- Madoka's sheer potential is because she's part youkai/devil/demon/spirit/god/whatever, with a typical hax Touhou ability.
- Kyuubey was made by Yumemi Okazaki.
- Yukari Yakumo is an insanely powerful Witch- the gaps are actually her barrier. Fortunately, she seems to be much nicer than a standard witch, probably because she didn't need Kyuube's meddling to become one.
- Sayaka is Cirno. Don't ask how.
- Youkai Jesus will/Shinki will save the day.
- The Anti - Spirals doing something GOOD?! ... I actually like that.
- Alternatively, the Incubators realized that Madokami's new system works so well it overloads the universe with energy. Cue them becoming the Anti-Spirals.
- Za Wurdo with bullets and rockets? And an ice cream truck instead of a steamroller!
- In one of the timelines where Homura fails to save Madoka, Madoka eventually transforms into a most powerful witch capable of destroying the world in 10 days. That witch is Flandre Scarlet. However, due to a wish Madoka made, her human body was turned into a vampire, who took the identity of Remilia Scarlet and was able to keep Flandre from doing any harm by assuming the role of Flandre's "sister". "Madoka" then found the Homura that was still in that timeline, gave her the name of Sakuya Izayoi, built a mansion for the three of them, locked the witch in the basement, and eventually moved the three of them along with the mansion to Gensokyo to keep the world safe. (And now I have a headache.)
- Hold on a moment. Madoka becoming Flandre makes sense, but the 'older sister' Remilia is instead Sayaka, now a rather arrogant and cynical self having been brought back from being a Witch. So to 'protect' Madoka, she seals her in the mansion. Meiling's shoes are filled by Kyoko, who now sleeps a lot because she never had time to rest as a Magical Girl (just like near-starvation caused her to take on Big Eater traits). Homura is Sakuya, again as always, but as well as that her 'first' self - the Meganekko Shrinking Violet - has become seperate from her 'Magical Girl' za warudo time-stopping self and now acts as a 'guest' of sorts, living in the library to try and find some way of bringing unstable vampire Madoka back to her human self.
- I thought the race that sent Kyubey was more akin to the Spiral races, what with the continued addition of mass/energy to an otherwise closed system, which may still lead to disaster. *coughSpiralNemesiscough*
- But you need emotions to harvest Spiral power, while the Incubators themselves are emotionless (making them incapable of using magic).
- And by extension, Kyubey is also behind Justin Bieber's popularity.
- Or the Brush Gods plus Ammy dear are Incubators. Just the emotional/benevolent/mentally unstable kind. In line with the TSAB theory down below, when in doubt blame Belka. Maybe they're some form of modified familiar and the reason they're not active in the present is because they've been cut off from whatever energy source the blasted weasels have. They did have spaceships in that game after all... and now I have plotbunny.
And now you know why there are so few mages on earth.
Yes. I've just completely destroyed Nanoha's noble intentions for about one episode./人◕ ‿‿ ◕人
Human mages have always been rare; no matter what era or dimension. In one of the old worlds; the war with their neighbors was all but lost. All of their active mages were dead; and while some of their familiars were left; they were about to die/lose sentience without their masters. A few people who were given command altered the familiars. They no longer required masters to exist; they could create multiple bodies, and their job was to create mages and energy to "save their universe." (The reprogrammers were dramatic and patriotic) The war had cost most of the adults; and women were more prone to magic than men so they focused on them for logistical purposes. These Familiars would Incubate the next generation of Mages. It was decided that the best way to ensure loyalty would be to program them to be emotionless and be only dedicated to their goal.The augmented familiars went through the population; and by "forcing" non-mages to cast a Reality Warp even though they don't have Linker Cores (making a Wish); they burned part of their permanent Life Energy into positive and negative energy to create a type of pseudo-Linker Core/Device fusion Cast From HP and the owner's emotional state. Soul Gems. Unlike normal Devices; these did not use computations to protect the owner from being directly linked to Magic.
Magic Users were regained; at terrible cost. Untried in combat; many of the new batch of mages quickly fell. But those who survived fell into despair; and their Soul Gems collapsed. Their despair; running unchecked through the magical channels blasted open by the Reality Warp; turned them into terrible monsters; and the dimensional walls surrounding the old world collapsed.
The familiars, now the Incubators, viewed this as a complete success. The remaining witches were "safe" from the old world's enemies. They left the dimension; to fulfill their programming. To save the universe by creating magical energy.
Worlds visited by the Kyubey often experience massive jumps in technological and magical advancement due to the Reality Warp; sometimes without the social infrastructure to handle this. Often their populations fall to rampant interwarring sessions or are slaughtered by witches and the world becomes a danger to the dimensions surrounding it, requiring the world to be destroyed or dimensionally quarantined.
The TSAB considers the Kyubey to be Alpha-level threats and they are to be destroyed upon discovery via Arc N Ciel.
- In any universe affected by Madoka's wish; most of this story is still true. Any time the old world lost a battle with its new mages; the opponent could never hold that area for long due to Demons that sprang up due to weakening world walls to the Spirit World (where Summons come from). The Puella Magi could not keep up a war against their countries enemies and their own Demons; and they died. One of the last Puella Magi of that world made a wish to send all their non-mage population offworld. The Incubators still escaped through their own means. Planetary destruction of worlds visited by them is still possible due to Demons, but far less likely.
- The TSAB is divided on Incubators. While there are some who argue that the wishes possible are worth it; others feel the risk is too great. They have enough problems with Lost Logia; why add Demons? Sometimes they don't have a choice; and feel that having anyone who can fight Demons and Lost Logia is better than having noone who can fight Logia alone.
- Most TSAB believe that the process doesn't create demons, but rather opens gateways to a Layered World where emotional states have physical form. Usually the TSAB prefer to strengthen the dimensional barrier; there is debate on whether relying on beating physical manifestations of negative emotions is healthy; as it bypasses people and society from naturally addressing their own issues.
- Most Administrated Worlds ban Incubators; and the few that allow them (usually due to critical low mage population) have it very regulated. Incubators are not allowed to contract anyone without permission from the TSAB; and contractees are briefed by experts on how to make and word their wishes (even better if the TSAB can "buy" a wish by using their resources to accomplish the goal instead. The wish can then be used for less emotional goals; thus giving a better chance of a favorable result). "Puella Magi" Mages have regular psychological check-ups; and many are assigned professional teams ("Hope-Givers") to keep their spirits up. Every last one are, of course, employed by the TSAB. Attempts have been made, with no success, to restore Soul Gems to a Puella Magi's soul; or to modify Soul Gems with Devices and/or traditional familiars.
The Incubators are unchecked on Non-Administrated Worlds.
Kyrios: A machine that uses the power of a magical girl to control the flow of energy across the multiverse and prevent the energy death of any one world.
Kyrios even has an "artificial" magical girl guardian who acts as its protector.
- Morning Rescue is LCL!
- Homura's soul gem is really a Temsik fragment, and on top of her time traveling, her Hyperspace Arsenal is a actually a variation of Missile's ability to swap the places of objects!
Lets take Mami for an example. She's based off of the Mayor. The Mayor has an old-fashon clothing style. So does Mami. The Mayor is an old person. Mami is the oldest looking of the group. The Mayor dies by Wilfre's hands. Mami dies by Charlotte's hands (or mouth). Also, one of the magical girls (I think it's Mami) made a wish when she was in a car crash. This could represnt Mike going into his coma because of the car crash. Houmra begins each timeline waking up from a coma. This could represenent Mike's coma and him waking up at the end of the second game. Madoka is the Scrappy and also the Woobie, kind of like how Mike became both because of the ending of the second game. Wilfre and Kyubey are both (at least acrounding to this wiki) are Well intentioned but ended up coming out evil. Madoka's heroic scarfice in the first timeline represents The whole Raposa race giving up their lives so Mike can wake up. And the older Madoka transforming Madoka in the opening? That represents the possible theory that The Creator is really a godlike subconsice of Mike! Madoka opening her eyes in said opening? Mike waking up from his coma! Her crying tears of joy holding the cat? Mike getting reuited with Heather! Madoka holding Kyubey in the final shot? The Raposa are now a part of Mike, inculding Wilfre! Heck, maybe it IS part of the Drawn to Life series! This is the Drawn to Life 3 we been all looking for! Wilfre must have put Jowee in a nightmare, and all the paraells to Drawn to Life in the show are all his memories leaking through! The Series might end when he finally wakes up, and still thinks he's Madoka. At first we see it from his point of view, as Madoka runs trying to find her friends, paraelling the seane in the opening where she is running. We see her running for days until she finally gets to his Village, where we finally see Jowee crying out for Madoka's friends. Thats when we reallize that Madoka and her friends were all part of Jowee's mind, messed up by Wilfre. The ending credits may paraell these events, Madoka walking past her friends represents her train of thoughts just before making the wish that would wake up Jowee, and Madoka running repressents "Madoka" running to find her friends, her floating in the mask repressents "Madoka" trying to blend in with the Raposa, hoping they might think of her as a visitor and not knowing that "she's" on of them. As if the series wasn't whammy enough...
- Also, had Kyubey gotten his way, Hitomi would become the Green Ranger, just because both are green.
IT ALL MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE. Here, have some explanations with visuals:
- Another version of Madotsuki's outfit; Madotsuki first meeting Kyube,Madotsuki and her fellow Magical Girls; Poniko going Witch, alternate rendition of Madotsuki facing Uboa - notice Poniko's empty body being held within it; the first time Madostuki got sucked into a Witch-Realm after witnessing a Witchkissed friend stab themselves; Madotsuki finally turning into a witch; and Madotsuki's witch form (Danbooru links, may contain NSFW ads).
- The fate of her friends? Monoko died a horrible death being mutilated by a Witch (hence her odd misshapen appearance when you use the Stoplight on her), Monoe couldn't take it and faded away after smashing her Soul Gem before she could suffer Terminal Corruption, and Poniko became the Witch Uboa (Which particularly traumatised Madotsuki since it happened during a sleepover) - I like the implication that she was having a sleepover with Poniko to try and keep her friend's spirits up, but Poniko's trauma was too great and she became Uboa right in front of poor Madotsuki in spite of an attempt to mercy-kill her by stabbing.
- While everyone assumes that Monoko's deformities are indicating that she died, in this case she may have become a Witch as well, and her growing multiple arms represents her transformation. Stoplight!Monoko may even be the witch Patricia, though that's a bit of a stretch. Also being killed and witching aren't mutually exclusive, unless the Soul Gem breaks. Monoko could have also been horrendously injured and then witched as a result of it; witching out by running out of magic while regenerating from horrific mutilation is a pretty grim fate.
- Alternatively, Poniko's Witch form is the bleeding multi-armed monster in the background of the area Uboa takes you to. Uboa is its familiar. Witches tend to be more complex-looking then their familiars, after all.
- In Madoka Magica, one of the Witches Fought was H.N. Elly, the Hikkikomori/Box Witch◊. One of her primary Motifs was Flying Wings and some Checkered patterns. Guess the Yume Nikki character who is a Hikkikomori and has checkered patterns and flying as motifs normally associated with her◊. And don't the bluish things in this picture◊ of Elly's barrier look an awful lot like Mars-san?
- There's lots of symbolism behind Madotsuki's powers in-dream, such as that decapitation one being the time she lost her own head but somehow survived because her Soul Gem was intact. The Crashing event in the Famicom World could have been an combination of the times her old RPG cartridges glitched and the time she got stuck inside a Witch's maze after getting separated from her friends, only escaping once they beat the Witch. The Toringen? They were beefed-up Familiars that managed to survive her knife attacks, and their attempts to kill/imprison her traumatized her badly.
- Alternatively, all the the powers/eggs that Madotsuki collects within her dreams could represent all of the Soul Gems of fallen Magical Girls that Mado wishes to save. Soul Gems are egg-shaped by default, are they not?
- Mars-San is a Witch and Masada is its familiar. The Spaceship and Mars areas are Mars' realm. Masada's duty as Mars' familiar is to take Magical Girls and other victims deeper into Mars's realm. Also there are multiple Masada-familiars that pilot the "spaceship"; this is apparent from Masada always appearing to respawn in front of the piano whenever you exit and reenter the room after killing him within the game. Furthermore, befitting the creepy Puella Magi series, the Masada familiars look neither Bishounen nor Moe as commonly depicted by the Yume Nikki fanart community; they acyually look nightmarish like this. And concerning Mars-San, the Magical Girl who became Mars was really interested in astronomy and science fiction, explaining Mars' space travel-themed Witch realm. And once Madotsuki encountered and started attacking Mars, she gained the realization that Witches were more than simple Eldritch Abominations. Even as Madotsuki attacked it, Mars wouldn't fight back and continued to weep quietly to itself...
- So when Madotsuki finally acquired all the powers, she realised her own Gem was fading and tried to off herself before she became a Witch. Unfortunately, given the Familiars that surround her broken body in the ending, she may have become a Grief Seed before landing. ~the Ace Of Scarabs
- But then, why do we never see the witch? Why don't the familiars attack Mary? Because Mary is the witch herself. She's exploring her own labyrinth, playing with her familiars. Plus, the inhabitants all have a theme - much like Witch's familiars in Madoka - and acknowledge that they were dreamed up by Mary, or "created" by her. Who else but a Witch would create a labyrinth's familiars? The only reason Mary doesn't look like an [2] is because she's seeing herself as she was prior to her witchification. 'Dream' Mary is her Puella Magi appearance; the Mary who 'wakes up' at the end is how she looked normally.
- It also explains why there was so much symbolism in the world of the game. After all, every Witch builds the labyrinth based on herself...all around, there is evidence of sexual abuse, which could very well be what resulted in Mary's despair. It might also explain the shadowy figure in one area. - Spiral 15 (who built this theory based entirely on the fact that Dreaming Mary and Madoka Magica have similar artwork.)
- But then, why do we never see the witch? Why don't the familiars attack Mary? Because Mary is the witch herself. She's exploring her own labyrinth, playing with her familiars. Plus, the inhabitants all have a theme - much like Witch's familiars in Madoka - and acknowledge that they were dreamed up by Mary, or "created" by her. Who else but a Witch would create a labyrinth's familiars? The only reason Mary doesn't look like an [2] is because she's seeing herself as she was prior to her witchification. 'Dream' Mary is her Puella Magi appearance; the Mary who 'wakes up' at the end is how she looked normally.
This would explain why the inhabitants of strange Mitakihara have access to the very finest of technology, and why it seems to contain such a mix-up of famous architecture, while there is no reference at all to any wider world: it is a virtual Paradise carefully constructed from models of the Earth as it might be in AD 2010. The entire world was created by the machines as an experiment to see if a slightly different management model would be successful in generating more energy and encountering fewer human problems than the mainstream Matrix.
To prevent the inhabitants from paying attention to the world around them and possibly realising that it is a simulation, the human batteries are convinced that they are not only living ordinary, humdrum lives, but are being drawn into a sudden, inexplicable and progressively more terrifying phantastic scenario in which their ultimate doom is to go mad with grief, and become a witch. (It is plausible that humans wallowing in the depths of despair produce increased amounts of whatever nebulous energy the machines derive from them, as well.)
The Incubators are therefore the quintessential Agents, whose purpose is to facilitate and perpetuate the cycle of grief and madness; they can appeal to governing powers to conduct alterations, such as gaining new bodies (provided they keep the internal balance of mass by 'eating' the old body), eliminating injuries, and resetting the universal clock, "reloading the Matrix" (though the reformatting of human minds is somewhat incomplete, and may leave traces).
The most prominent evidence in the favour of this is the presence of a character from the Matrix in the anime. The much-speculated-upon black cat of the Opening first appeared in the original Matrix movie: notably, just before time turned back, and Agents arrived.
- Therefore, Madoka is The One, meant to "reload the Matrix".
- I imagine a situation where the Kyubey before Madoka's cosmic reeboot returns to the New World, now filled with Despair and having become the Madokaverse's equivalent of Agent Smith.....
- In this scenario, "Magical Girls" would be batteries with high production of energy and (consequently) short-lived. With a population large enough, they can be seen as... convenient.
- And "Magic" is a set of "cheat codes", given to the "magical girls" in exchange to the larger production of energy or perhaps specifically to obtain their high-performance in energy production. Therefore, the shorted life.
- Witch's labyrinth: it follows as a consequence of the previous points (cheat codes included): a degraded version of the virtual reality (defective animations, surviving memories, garbage data), because of negative feedback or other bugs caused by the conversion of the "magical girl" in "witch", affecting the immediate surrounding of the Matrix simulation. Compare to the Episode "Beyond" in Animatrix.
- Possibly the Witches are comatose girls, or dead girls with the nervous system liminally active because of the connection to the Matrix. They cannot be disconnected, however, because of the previous high-performance link. They are really a sort of undead.
- Homura's Time Travel can be an objection to this scenario. It seems to affect Incubators' memories and a simulation would be limited to the humans and disadvantageous for Agents/Incubators. Moreover, it would need a cascade of Madoka clones, always stronger and able to destroy a increasing larger part of the Matrix.
- Alternatively, Lain ended up doing the same thing as Madoka, and Madoka is the reincarnation of her, which made Madoka do the same thing as Lain did (go Messianic Archetype and save the universe from destruction by sacrificing one's existence).
The same power that drives Shadows and by extension your Persona is what fuels meguca, witches, and majuu. The Incubators want to harness this power to make the universe permanent and undying, but lack the emotions/"will" to tap into this power, considering anything that can harness it insane.
They have learnt the secret of forcibly activating this 'power' in Magical Girls, making it manifest first as a Wish that alters reality based on the girl's desire. As the girl uses her Magic to rewrite reality to her whims, she becomes closer to a Shadow, hence the darkening of her soulgem as her 'self' is slowly enshrouded by the fantasies made real. Witchdom occurs when the meguca rejects her Shadow and is consumed/replaced by it, representing the fracture of her psyche that leaves behind id without direction. The Labyrinth is part of the Realm of the Shadows encroaching on the real world, shaped by the mind of the meguca.
Madoka's Ultimate form is basically her gaining full control over her Shadow and merging with her Persona (as well as the residual "fate" power of a vast number of timelines, while Homura's is her basically going Shadow while retaining the better part of her mind.
What about the normal ending? Charlotte had to come from somewhere, don't you think? Just replace "cheese" with "rice cake" and they're practically identical.
Remember what happens in episode 12?
- She ascends...
- ... Madoka, as an Archetype, joins the rest of the Invisible Clergy reforging the world in her image...
- ...and Madoka, as a character, is erased from the newly-reborn world, remembered only by Homura, who dedicated her soul to keep Madoka, as a person, alive.
We know who the last is.We also get to meet him.He's Tatsuya, and remembers Madoka because he contains her, as he contains all other Archetypes from past worlds.
You can't say it doesn't make sense.
- There's also the fact that Madoka erasing her own existence sounds like a Logic Error.
- Turns out that they've been here for a long time. A long, long time. Since humans discovered fire, since we developed the wheel, they have been here, and the Silence have manipulated us since. They don't even need weapons.
- Taking this further, if the Soul Gems are their hearts then the Mahou Shoujo are all actually Nobodies!
- Or lairs in the PMMM world are beyond portals to the world of Soul Eater...
- You missed an episode, Madoka changed the world to prevent witches from ever existing. Also, the Sailor Senshi's Soul Gems are obviously their Sailor Crystals. Also, they're not witches it's just their initials.
- To continue with this logic, the Winx Club and every My Little Pony character will become witches…or will they?
- If Buffy can be considered a magical girl, I could see her becoming a witch.
- Also, Ahiru's Transformation Trinket is later revealed to be a piece of Mytho's heart, which she parted with at the end of her series.
- So how would Otome fit in? Their powers are the product of science, HUMAN science, and many of them use Transformation Trinkets that are older than them.
- And Lyrical Nanoha is established as Sufficiently Advanced magic. And it's more like forming a bond (friendship or co-worker type of bond) with the Intelligent Device.
- Supporting this, the bits and pieces we see of the afterlife are similar to the concept of dreambubbles, which the dead reside in once they no longer have a body to go back to. Plus Madoka basically has the same role that Aradia ends up having: Guiding the dead so they can move on and live their afterlives in peace...even though their environment is basically a wall between them and countless eldritch abominations.
- Recent events of Homestuck aren't helping, what with Jade ascending to the God-Tier Witch of Space, or the Scratch-causing Beat Mesa resembling Walpurgis Night's gears.
- Okay, here's the deal: Kyubey is this world's version of Doc Scratch. In addition, Madoka's wish is what essentially sets off The Scratch, creating a whole new universe on the foundation of the previous one. Madoka as Goddess Madoka is personally escorting each girl to the dreambubbles when they die, as evidenced by the scene with dead!Sayaka in the theater. Witches are analogous to denizens, albeit tweaked, as they reside in their own pockets of reality (i.e., The Land of Chess and Gardens, or The Land of Sweets and Medicine). And making a contract to become a magical girl? That's this universe's twisted way of becoming God Tier. Madoka is the Heir of Hope, as she inherited the magical power from the doomed timelines to embody hope for the entire new universe, Homura is the Rogue of Time because she "stole" time with each doomed timeline to distribute the benefit to Madoka, Kyoko is the Knight of Heart because of her sacrifice and eventually revealing herself to believe in the good in people, and Mami is the Seer of Doom ( she was the first to find out in one of the doomed timelines that the girls were doomed to turn into witches and went crazy because of it). And Sayaka? Why, naturally, she's the Witch of Rage.
- A small quibble: Heirs' powerlevels start out weak, growing over time. This is the opposite of Madoka, who started off strong (in the first timeline), or at least average compared to other players.
- The Wish doesn't seem to be something Kyubey himself has power over; rather it's some kind of ingrained feature in the human soul. And "Equal Part Despair and Hope" that they generate do sound like Equivalent Exchange.
- Post-Madoka change; the Unlosing Ranger eventually disappears into the Bizzaro Universe; to battle manifestations of despair until he dies. Madoka will offer him a place in Magical Girl Valhalla, but L'Etranger will likely have a say in that.
- And on that, Kamijou is a descendant of the Tsukiyomi family. Perhaps Tadase too. Perhaps Madoka is related to the Hinamori family, simply because of the pink hair and Annoying Younger Sibling factors.
- Or she could be Zatsune Miku instead; Elly's witch appearance has black hair rather than turquoise◊, and Zatsune Miku's hair is sometimes depicted as somewhat shorter then Miku's, which more closely matches the length of Elly's pigtails.
- That's just creepy, and if it's paradise, what's Discord doing in it?
- And on that note (see below)...
- That's just creepy, and if it's paradise, what's Discord doing in it?
Once there, Kyubey erases their memories of their previous life, and plops them down in the middle of the hero fantasy many young men dream of:lets go slay some dragons/evil demon monsters! Their Soul Gems are preserved inside of them, which gives them immense durability and potential over the normal person, but limits their ability to call on its power in the ways that magical girls do. Slaying Daedra allows the Magical Dudes to absorb their energy, which is internalized as their expertise, and sometimes bound into Soul Gems(of the Elder Scrolls variety). By capturing their essence, Kyubey gains energy from the endless font of energy that is Oblivion. Dragonborn, on the other hand, harvest Dragon Souls, which naturally contain immense amounts of power, and gain both power and sustenance from doing so.
From there, a few ends await the Magical Dude. If they fall in battle or reach critical levels of despair, the energy they have collected will leave them, leaving them to become Dragon Priests, Liches, and other undead, which are then hunted by others for their own power. If they get tremendously powerful, without dying or succumbing to despair, they become immensely powerful beings in their own right, ascending to become Daedra(Hero of Kvatch), god-entities(Tribunal, Nerevar), or one of the Divines(Tiber Septim). The energy released in these events, which are similar to Madoka's wish, on a smaller scale, are called Dragon Breaks, to explain the changes in reality which occur after them.
- Not just males. Females who wish for "adventure", "freedom", or simple escape from abuse can also get dropped in Nirn. One Magical Girl wished to escape slavery, and became St. Alessia, who liberated Cyrodill from the Ayleids.
- Look at this concept art◊ for a Dragon Priest. See that gem dangling off his left hand? That looks an awful lot like a Madoka-type Soul Gem...
- Pre-Madokami, undead such as Draugr and Dragon Priests had black souls. The original adventurer's soul was still in there. Post-Madokami, the undead were actually allowed to ascend to the afterlife (such as Olaf One-Eye), and the undead now have white creature souls as replacements.
- The internalized Soul Gem is the main reason why these heroes suffer from Critical Existence Failure. The gem's main purpose is to provide an instantaneous Healing Factor, which explains why the heroes can take eviscerations, incinerations, decapitations, arrow wounds, etc. and shrug it off like it's nothing. However, the Soul Gem only has a certain amount of power it can use for this function (represented by a health meter that improves as the hero levels up), and when it runs out of power, the gem expires and the hero immediately dies. Healing spells and potions supply energy for the gem, as it can only draw magic from Aetherius if the hero is asleep or comatose (at least until the Fourth Era, where Incubator technology improved to the point where Soul Gems could draw power from Aetherius while the hero is awake).
Forsworn Briarhearts are a much closer example to an Incubator's creation. They are created when a Forsworn "contracts" with a Hagraven to gain power at the cost of their humanity. The Briar Heart they put in them is kinda based off of a Soul Gem, in that they hold the power of the lich (though it isn't a Soul Jar, as Briarheart souls can be captured). Also, they are the only credible threat in the game to a well-equipped and trained Dovahkiin, who, according to the above theory, is a Puel Magi/Puella Magi. Finally, they also leave powerful undead behind when they die (like Red Eagle, who leaves behind a powerful Draugr or Dragon Priest).
- Witches create pocket dimensions that represent their psyches ("barriers," "labyrinths"), feed on human misery, and create monstrous familiars to serve them.
- Selenim are magical spirits that possess human bodies and feed on human emotions like jealousy and faith. When they've hoarded enough lifeforce, they can create pocket dimensions ("kingdoms," "realms") that reflect their psyche. These pocket dimensions are often populated by monstrous creatures that exist to collect more lifeforce.
As we see, their Resurrection machinations result not in a happy ending, but on the contrary, in forcing the world to descend From Bad to Worse, culminating in an Assimilation Plot and The End of the World as We Know It. Most importantly, in the end they still fail to bring their loved ones back to existence.
Of course, Kyubey could be a representation of Seele, the powerful and manipulative utilitarians who once helped them acquire the ability to perform the reality-screwing in the first place, but also managed to be even more of a jerk-ass and on which both of these stoics rebelled against just to get to their loved one.
When Instrumentality took place during End of Evangelion, Gendo finally admits that he is a coward who spends most of his time trying to screw up reality just to resurrect Yui, while rejecting and avoiding out of fear his own son, the "weak-minded" Shinji, but when Shinji does take control of Instrumentality, he asks for forgiveness from him while visualizing himself as being eaten by Eva-01.
This leads us to the events of Madoka Magica which takes place inside the Instrumentality version of Purgatory, where thanks to this wish to become The Atoner, Gendo himself is forcefully genderbended (thus stripping him off of his patriarchal, manipulative Über-Pimp tendencies), and has to spend the rest of his/her life in Purgatory trying to protect a representation known as Madoka, a sort of "God" of Instrumentality whose personality consisted of the ones who controlled Instrumentality itself, Yui, Rei, and most especially Shinji, the very one who turned Instrumentality against him.
The Yui-to-Shinji transformation (starts out as helpful and confident, teaching a suicidal Homura/Gendo how to live, although we don't see the epiphany that much in the original series, the Drama CD's can flesh out the once-lonely-social-pariah Homura's starting relationships with Madoka. However as time repeats more, Madoka becomes more of an omnipotent but angst-ridden moeblob, just like Shinji) and Homura getting more and more emotionally distant (as Madoka becomes much more Shinji-like, Homura becomes more Machiavellian in ways that disgust Madoka) becomes more obvious as time in purgatory progresses and the Puella Magi universe becomes more and more like the nightmarish Evangelion-verse that he/she helped create due to his/her desperate wish.
Thus he/she has to make up for everything by protecting that same Shinji-Madoka too just as he tried to protect Yui-Madoka, all while this task itself is the very path that will be the harbinger of the Angst and disaster of Evangelion to the once-cheery Puella Magi universe. If Homura continues to continue fighting fate and being emotionally distant against Madoka, Madoka herself will cause the End of the World, like how Gendo's emotional distance against Shinji, that was caused by a desire to reunite with his wife, led to Shinji destroying the world and hating him forever upon acquiring God powers.
- This wasn't Gendo's first purgatory. Before he could admit his flaws, he was first revived as the Director from Red vs. Blue, who shunned his own daughter, violated protocol, and tortured a copy of himself, just to resurrect Yui-Allison. It wasn't until Church and Carolina confronted him that he started his wish to atone, and became Homura, forced to live a similar time-travel experience as the Alpha as well as live with the constant failure and death of Beta. (The fact that Alpha and Beta are considered to be Iron Woobies by the fandom explains why Homura is more sympathetic than Gendo for most people.) "Perhaps next time around?"
- Here is another fanfic that makes things a good deal worse: The traitor primarchs were not only Puella Magi themselves, but they've also become daemon princes because of the despair in their soul gems. Even worse, the Emperor Himself is a Puella Magi, who requires thousands upon thousands of mindraped psykers and grief seeds in order to purify his soul gem...and even then, it's still gradually failing. What's to say that Leman Russ, Jaghatai, Vulkan or even Corax haven't already succumbed to despair and became daemon princes themselves?
- Madokami is the God-Emperor of Mankind, or at least his reincarnation or own wish fulfillment. The Jesus parallels still remain intact, however, unlike the God Emperor's failure to save Humanity from Chaos, Madokami instead succeeded in the redemption of humanity, thus a fantasy of success in the world of grimdark. Homucifer, who acted not out of malice but out of undying love for her goddess, is a more morally acceptable fantasy about his most beloved son, Horus.
To make matters even more sadistic, in the original BTTF timeline, Hitomi's father was killed in that car crash as a boy, while visiting relatives in Hill Valley. One of the survivors became Marty's boss by 2015. He realized the accident was just a case of stupid teenage recklessness and eventually took pity on Marty in his despondent state, hiring him...but he still nursed a bitter grudge which eventually led to his firing Marty when Needles framed him again years later.
Marty's daughter Marleen had contracted at some point for almost the same reasons as Kyoko (wanting to help her struggling family and continually depressed father). She would've become a Witch either when she was busted trying to bust out Marty Jr. in the first timeline, or when her dad was fired.
So...one ruined musical career (and eventual Witchdom) for another. Take your pick.
- And oh yeah, an Incubator planted the idea for the Flux Capacitor in Doc's head. With human nature being what he knew, he felt humanity was unable to handle the responsibilities inherent in Time Travel...so of course it would eventually prove a great way to trigger some contracts and harvest some souls.
- The film series happened during Homura's travels (yeah...), explaining the differences between each timeline (at least concerning Kyousuke and Sayaka). (This is, of course, disregarding the theory that Hitomi's father was in Marty's crash. He still has relatives in Hill Valley, though.)
- Timelines 1 and 2 happened before old Biff acquired the almanac and went to 1955. Kyousuke was perfectly healthy, had his good hand, and played the guitar. Sayaka had no reason to contract.
- Timeline 3 takes place after the almanac was delivered to young Biff. Hill Valley became a shithole, which created lots of grief, which meant that the Incubators could create more magical girls (and therefore witches). One of these witches eventually found its way to Mitakihara (an old grudge involving Hitomi's father or grandfather, perhaps?) and kissed Kyousuke, causing him to attempt suicide. He survived, but was severely injured. Sayaka contracted to heal him, but he ended up with Hitomi, causing Sayaka to grief-seed. Kyousuke still plays the guitar, which is why Oktavia has a guitar motif.
- Between Timeline 3 and the main timeline, Marty eventually rectified his mistakes, destroying the almanac and preventing his car accident. He went on to become a successful guitarist, but the ripple effect means one less successful guitarist in the world. Hence, Kyousuke became a violinist instead. And then the accident happened, injuring Kyousuke.
- The Oriko timeline was caused by a long chain of events that started when Marty (as Clint Eastwood) went into a duel with Buford and got killed. It was unmade when Marty beat Buford thanks to this insight.
- And yes, Homura has noticed the differences. She has no idea what caused them, though.
She lasted about 30 minutes before witching out.
- For contracting with her, Kyubey got a 50-cent wage increase, one day's paid vacation time and bathroom breaks. (Yeah, it's a pretty lousy workplace, but it's the only career option on his planet.)
- The story was originally submitted to his class as a required-reading doujin. The reason the series ended in May 2012 and Studio Shaft has no current plans to animate the end is because his students all committed suicide. Even Kafuka.
- A lot of them looked a lot more like Eldritch Abominations than normal human spirits. The creation of Witches gnaws away at the boundary between the mortal and spiritual realms each time it happens (and Doc, Marty and Homura's aforementioned meddling with time didn't help). And then of course that one apartment building was a continually building strain. (It may have been designed under the influence of a Witch's Kiss.) Then one day in the summer of 1984 one unknown fallen Puella became The Last Straw that allowed Gozer and his minions a huge hole to crawl through into our world.
- Slimer may have an origin story similar to Charlotte (e.g., she suffered either from cancer, diabetes or bulemia). Heck, let's say that she was the straw that broke the camel's back and tore open Gozer's doorway.
- Instead of giving them the Mercy Kill that our beloved five do, the Ghostbusters of course imprison the Witches in an unstable nuclear holding pen. Wrap your heads around that one...
- Ghostbusters 2 takes place after Madoka's apotheosis. That pink slime in the New York sewers is materialized curses. (In the modified timeline, there were still enough troubles with "normal" ghosts to justify the Ghostbusters' business.
- The Incubators may actually be manifestations of humanity's collective opportunism. And then in most of the timelines we saw, Madoka's Witch form bascially restarts Instrumentality, much like God's intent to destroy the world again in Revelations. "As a dog returneth to his vomit..."
- About the Incubators being manifestations of our opportunism (as well as sociopathy), Kyubey's talk about aliens and entropy was symptomatic of our tendency to justify our actions with little white lies whenever we "use" people. In other words, we are all Kyubey at times. Or rather, we gave birth to him.
- And Madoka is "descended" from the remains of Rei (lack of self-worth and willingness to sacrifice herself).
- Also: Charlotte and Charlotte are one and the same. In some timelines, she became a Magical Girl and a Witch, while in other timelines she became a Hollow and an Arrancar. This theory would also mean that, like Hollows, Witches become stronger by consuming one another or by fusing, which would explain Walpurgisnacht.
If true, Rose would've contracted a few years before the events of the book. This raises the question of how many MG's (and Witches) were likely born out of the Depression and other economic downturns...and how many came from impoverished areas like Haiti and Sudan.
The Witches are a combination of the drugs plus confused "readings" of the humans' and other animals' minds. (Picture a young child channel-surfing randomly; occasionally understanding some of the words and imagery and having the rest fly over their head.) For instance, Charlotte was inspired by the thoughts of one scientist thinking he should get some more baby mice for his pet snake. Uhrmann is one of the dogs kept in the lab, always just wanting love and affection and wondering why they're doing all this to her. Roberta came from the thoughts of a female scientist constantly frustrated in romance, who's only been hit on for her looks.
Obviously this has left the enlightened rats with huge psychic scars not just from the horrific imagery burned into their brains, but with great metaphysical confusion, seeing as how these two-legged Eldritch Abominations also provide their food and water and keep their living conditions relatively comfortable. Nicodemus and co. also realized the truth about why the scientists were doing all these things. Fortunately, unlike Kyubey, they managed to keep their minds intact and escape.
Ultimately Jenner represents the "Kyubey-ite" faction that wants to remain dependent upon the humans for energy, while Justin represents the "Madoka-ite" faction which wants to live for itself.
Urobuchi must've known about Kumeta's planned ending to SZS, just as Studio Shaft did (as evidenced by the OP's, some of which were animated by the same artists as the Madoka's Witch scenes.
First things first - this whole WMG takes place centuries before RVB or Halo. The real Homura Akemi was a UNSC-affiliated scientist, notable for being an Adorkable otaku. She befriended a certain Madoka Kaname - one of the first friends she ever made, as well as her best friend - who enlisted in the UNSC Marines and eventually became a Sergeant. Sgt. Kaname died in service; while Dr. Akemi mostly got over it, there was a tinge of grief in her character for the rest of her life. When Dr. Akemi passed on, her brain was used to create an AI who also called herself "Homura" and inherited her template's adorkability (complete with a purple avatar with braids and glasses).
Remember how Church supposedly kept going back in time to try and save the Reds and Blues from the bomb? And how the Cerebus Retcon implies that it was just a simulation engineered by Omega and Gamma to torture the Alpha and make it split? Homura was fragmented by UNSC scientists for a similar reason as the Alpha (to save money, because AI are very expensive to produce). The show was just a simulation, where Homura had her memories of being an AI suppressed. She was put in a Magical Girl setting, to cater to Dr. Akemi's otakuness, and Sgt. Kaname's memory was revived as the center of the simulation. Mami, Sayaka, and Kyoko were based on memories of Dr. Akemi's other friends. Homura was subjected to the same brutal Mind Rape that the Alpha would eventually undergo - she was put in countless time loops where she would fail over and over to save Madoka and her friends, and be tricked into believing that their ordeal was her fault, eventually fragmenting out of grief.
The experiment was a failure, partially because Homura was an older generation AI (her fragments were too unstable to become functional AI) and partially because the UNSC found about the experiment and created laws to prevent heinous experiments like that (laws that the Director circumvented). However, Homura was damaged to the point where she was sullen and numb, and remained shell-shocked for the rest of her existence. This was marked by a change in her avatar (the glasses were gone, and she let her hair down).
Madoka's Cosmic Retcon represents the end of all the torture, and Homura eventually learning to let go of Madoka (like Church's "I forget you"). The final scene in the desert represents the end of Homura's life as an AI, when she finally finds peace.
Ultimately, the whole Homura drama was what inspired the Director to do a similar thing to the Alpha to split him. So, in the end, Homura was partially responsible for the events of the Red vs. Blue series. And a true Walpurgis was made, in the form of the Meta.
- Halo lore says that AI can ward off rampancy by focusing on a singular object. Homura's sole focus on Madoka's well-being was really a subconscious way to stall her doom.
- Also, the technology used in Homura's room (or, at least, its real-world counterpart owned by Dr. Akemi) was eventually perfected by Lopez to create the Reds' hologram chamber. Lopez was kinda unnerved by the all-white of the original holo-room, however, so he made it have the texture of stone in the interior.
- Alternatively, Homura isn't just any ordinary AI - she's the Tex that appeared in the end of Season 10. Tex's main attribute is failure, something Homura knows very well. Both have a thing for big guns and explosives. And it's implied that Tex played the role of the "scary chick" to protect Church, much like Homura with Madoka. So, by trapping Homura/Tex in a "Groundhog Day" Loop, and forcing her to fall into despair, the Director was able to harvest a fragment for every failure and every reset. Each fragment would then be placed into a Texbot. When Homura was too broken to yield more fragments, she herself was forced to lead the robot army literally made of her failures, and could only speak in O'Malley's voice. "You have no idea what kind of trouble you are in."
- For a visual metaphor to compare the two: this fanart◊ of Homura happens to look a lot like this screencap◊ of the Tex army.
- Also, the way that Church split up to reach out to the Texes and possibly Mercy Kill them is quite similar to part of the Ultimate Madoka sequence. The way that the Texes are broken when Church meets them is quite similar to some fan interpretations of a witch's train of thought.
And Kyousuke's Infernity cards? Their effects only work if Kyousuke has a crippled hand.
It's also possible that the Blue Devil that stalks Hiroshi for most of the game is but another familiar specifically designated to act on her behalf and the real witch is left unseen, perhaps waiting for a magical girl to breach on her "master room". Given that information, it's also very likely that her master room lies on the close vicinity of the Oni Room, perhaps directly above it.
The fact that her "barrier" resides in a mansion normal people can perceive relatively normally (even with the "otherwordly" witch/familiars nearby) might also point towards the Blue Devil being a Walpurgisnacht that chooses to stay near her caged familiars and actually take care of them and their home.
- All that stuff about their contracts extending back to Joan of Arc, Cleopatra and possibly Australopithecines? More lies and manipulation. They've only been doing it since about 1960 (the year after Plan 9 failed).
- Alternatively, Plan Incubator was Plan 1, and was really conceived before the dawn of man... but the Zombie Apocalypse took so frakkin' long to cause any real damage (Kriemhild Gretchen's world-eating power was only gained through Homura's temporal distortion) that they tried eight other much more direct methods. (Why they didn't just out-and-out destroy man, ask Ed Wood.)
- The Neutrals provide transportation for the Incubators when Nibblonian ships aren't available (so perhaps Zapp Brannigan was right to hold a grudge against them).
- Depending on whether or not Futurama takes place in a pre-Godoka timeline, the Brainspawn may have been an alien Witch.
- The emotional Equivalent Exchange in the Madoka-verse is also why Homura never bumps into her past self; all time-clones are doomed, and the previous Homura always dies right after the new one arrives from the future (actually the past, following Futurama time-travel laws; sucks for those other Earths she let Walpurgisnacht or Gretchen burn down). If we follow Futurama's "recycling universe" theory, this may be why MG's have vague memories of the previous universes. Each universal phase is consistituted of the same matter, albeit reassembled in slightly different fashion (explaining the slight differences in each timeline).
- If you want to extend the Fridge Horror even further, civilizations and rulers all over the world going back to the start of history knew about the slave trade but have been cooperating in secret for millennia, in exchange for inventions such as fire and the wheel.
Perhaps this painting-witch was once a fully-human Magical Girl herself. The rage and desires the painting expresses during the game stem from her father Weiss Guertena's actions during her human lifetime. Rather than provide her ongoing companionship and love like a father should have, Guertena neglected her emotionally in favor of pursuing his lucrative artist career. Not only did this leave the girl feeling extremely lonely, like she might as well have been nonexistent in father's eyes, but she also felt resentful towards the artwork Guertena favored over her. To fill the emotional void, instead of spending time with her busy father or exploring the outside world to befriend peers, the socially awkward girl lived her own imaginary world through the crayon drawings (Sketchbook World), toys (the creepy dolls), and storybooks (Carrie Careless and the Gallette des Rois) she created. In this world, she was omnipotent and would always have companionship.
Considering that Witches' barriers are Mental Worlds depicting their troubled psychology during their human lives, the above backstory explains why the painting-witch's barrier is strongly Weiss Guertena-themed.
- With the slight variation in each timeline, the museum might actually be Izabel herself.
- And of course Eric and company usually go there to get high. More proof that this show is the Mushroom Samba of five girls kidnapped by an ephebophile who drugs them up (hence all the weird Witch imagery), does unspeakable things to them and eventually kills them.
If anybody thinks they have a better reincarnation theory, I'd like to hear it.
- Or, Madoka just remembered that the cynical interpretations of the ending aren't necessarily true, and kept the world the way it is.
- A better counterpart for Mami would be Minako: the story of Sailor V and that of Magical Girl Mami Tomoe are depressingly similar, right down to both being a deceptively happy mentor who is dangerously depressed and Married to the Job (yes, even Anime!Minako is borderline suicidal. She's just better at hiding it).
- Another good match for Mami would be Manga!Rei. They're both Ojous with tramautic pasts.
- All new magical girls have subconscious memories of the Incubators. Because they think they're male, they developed subconscious aversions to men, and that's why most magical girls are lesbian or bi. (Incubators actually reproduce via spores, but that's a topic for another WMG.)
Also, Durnehviir is the closest thing to a Puella Magi Dovah.
Homura=Aria
Mami=Hanna
Sayaka=Spencer
Kyouko=Emily
Madoka=Alison
- The Beatles themselves were drawn into her barrier by "Jeremy", one of her familiars, and were replaced by doppelganger familiars. This was in about 1967, just before Sgt. Pepper was released, which explains the group's sudden psychdelic, Darker and Edgier shift in tone.
- Much like how Witch!Sayaka's familiars drew in and absorbed victims with their music, the familiar!Beatles did the same. Charles Manson and his "family" were other victims of this, namely after hearing "Helter Skelter".
- I am a hippie, and I was thinking that if I was a magical girl who became a witch, my barrier would resemble Yellow Submarine.
- The girl's name as a witch was either Lucy, Madonna, or Jude.
- The futuristic chatroom avatars running amok in his latest work, Psycho-Pass, reflect A.M. reminding Ted of his actual state.
- On the other hand, perhaps Madoka's boundless hope represents A.M. finally reaching the end of all those words "hate" written on his memory cells, giving Ted a Mercy Kill and destroying himself in the process.
Izabel's witch card says this "The artist witch. Her nature is vanity. Without a slightest doubt, she believes her existence is blessed. Wanting someone to see her work, she often interferes with the human world. However, within her barrier only exist works that you have probably seen somewhere before. To defeat this witch, just bring a well-known critic with you." Her minion Michaela is representative of Daria. Michaela's card says "The artist witch's minion. Her role is to be a piece of artwork. Any human that has been killed by this witch will have their body parts placed within this familiar." Doesn't that sort of describe Daria's role in Jane's life? The "well-known critic" needed to defeat Izabel could refer to Daria herself, who might break Jane's heart if she didn't like some of her art. The "well-known critic" could also be Beavis and/or Butthead. Imagine Jane's reaction to Daria's former enemies, who are well known for their music video reviews, reviewing her artwork.
Quitterie’s witch card says this: “Witch of needles, with a respectful nature. She is the remains of a magical girl who gave up everything to fight for the universe. She believes that she is saving the universe even now.” Quitterie’s disguise form represents Quinn’s image as a ditzy shallow fashionista, while Quitterie's real form shows Quinn’s kind and intelligent self. Their names even have the same 1st two letters. Her familiars represent the fashion club.
The unnamed witch of needles is a member of the fashion club.
Gozer was indeed an ancient Sumerian/Lovecraftian demon, but as often mentioned, Witch Barriers puncture the fabric of space-time (and, unbeknownst to the Incubators, would've actually destroyed the universe had not Madoka intervened; they may be smart, but they don't know everything), and he used those punctures in the New York area to pass into our world. (In a deleted script for Ghostbusters 3, where the boys would literally have gone to Hell, Harold Ramis described reality thusly: "...it’s like a film shutter — it’s the darkness between the 24 frames." WP obviously creates a huge patch of darkness which serves as the final straw.)
- Dana's "Spook Central" apartment building which served as Gozer's portal was indeed designed under the influence of a Witch Kiss from a former MG who lost her brother in World War I. (She had a pacifistic nature and wanted to end all wars at all cost, but unfortunately conflict is in our blood, so by default she thought "humanity was too sick to survive", much like how Gretchen wanted to "save" humanity by wiping it out.)
- And on another unfortunate note, Adorkable Janine would've contracted in another timeline.
- In the end everything works out when Madoka erases Witches from existence.
- The rich girl was a small nation.
- Or the fairy from the preview.
- Walter Elias, the Amusement Park Warlock. It is his nature to entertain the masses at any cost, despite his deteriorating grip on reality. To him, the audience is paramount and the show must always go on.
- His Familiars are Elizabeth and John. Their duties are to distract the press from his declining mental state. Unfortunately, more often not they attract more negative attention.
- I think...i think he gave up at the end. I mean, if you hear his "last words", it makes sense.
- Considering how Madoka is getting a sequel movie, do you think there may be more to this...?
- Well, Production I.G appears to be cool with Urobuchi: they're working together again. At the rate things are going, this show may end up making the Human-Covenant War real...
On a meta level, see the Mage Chronicler's Guide: Faustian Sorcery in Chapter One and Mad with Power in Chapter Four sync up remarkably with the Madoka Magica universe, allowing for a Puella Magi game using Mage.
Each of the five main characters also corresponds to a given path:
- Madoka: Acanthus, if her rose-branch bow is anything to go by. She has a focus on Fate and a minor one in Time. Her Virtue is Hope, and her Vice is Sloth. At the end of the series, she becomes an Archmaster. In another timeline, she fails and becomes the Qliphoth Kriemhild Gretchen.
- Homura: Mastigos, with focus on Space and Time. Her Virtue is Fortitude, and her Vice is Wrath.
- Kyoko: Thyrsus, with a focus on Life for self-enhancement. Used to have control over Prime, mostly for illusions. Her Virtue is Prudence, and her Vice is Gluttony (she does eat a lot). Would be pretty low on the Wisdom scale (around 3-5 Wisdom) at the start of the story.
- Sayaka: Obrimos, with a focus on Forces and Matter. Her Virtue is Justice, and her Vice is Lust. Hits Wisdom 0 and becomes a Witch.
- Mami: Moros. Yes, it seems strange, until you remember that she became a Puella Magi via a near-death experience. Her chosen spells are mostly in Forces and Matter, which explains the guns. Her Virtue is Charity, and her Vice is Lust. Has high (8+) Wisdom.
It makes sense, I tell you! It all makes sense! I have glimpsed the heart of the Diamond Wheel, and now the world shall knoSECRET LEVEL WHITE COMPROMISED. THE BREACHER OF THE VEIL HAS BEEN REMOVED. THE MYSTERIES MUST BE DEFENDED.
- Frank O'Connor is apparently a huge anime fan, listing favorites of his as Fist of the North Star, Space Battleship Yamato, and Cowboy Bebop. It's not too far-fetched that he watched Madoka and liked it, to the point where it partially inspired Halo 4.
- Homura's chuunibyou stemmed from the death of the real-life Madoka, and her desire to try and bring her back; she developed delusions where she would keep trying and failing to save her. The universe being rewritten is simply Homura's violent jerk back to a cold, sobering reality. (So, yeah. Despair.)
- Madoka was killed by a car trying to rescue Amy the cat. And in this universe, Dekomori herself attends Mitakihara Middle School and sees Homura as her opponent. Thus Homura imagines her arch-nemesis as a catlike creature with Dekomori's long, frilly Girlish Pigtails. And the reason Witches look like scrapbook collages is because they were just that, part of Homu's scrapbook. (Their names came from various Wikipedia visits.)
This can also extend to a Meta WMG: Ume Aoki may have been inspired by Dialga and Palkia when coming up with the character designs.
- PsychoPass takes place In a World… where Madoka never contracts and Witch Kisses eventually caused such dismay in Japan that the Sybil System was implemented to restore order at any cost. Needless to say, many of the brains used were "infected" by Kisses. This could also remain true with the Demons in the new world. Meanwhile Sybil eventually comes to lead the Galactic Alliance in Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet.
- With Fate/Zero, the Incubators may have created the Holy Grail as an easy way to generate curses in the new world and/or a way for males to generate delicious despair in the old world. (Males can't contract; Kyubey would've probably gone straight for Kamijou if he could.) Alternatively, the Incubators may actually entities generated by the sheer sociopathy of the Grail. Yes, this does mean the Butcherverse overlaps with the Nasuverse.
- The real reason why Soul Gems are necessary for magical girls' powers is because the Incubators are using the Third Magic, Heaven's Feel, to grant them their power; a soul that is materialized by the Third Magic will essentially become a magical perpetual motion machine. (It's also why the girls can use magic, even though they don't have any Magic Circuits.) Of course, the girls' limits stem not from a shortage of magic, but by the corruption that the Incubators use in their version of Heaven's Feel.
- They created the Holy Grail to see if mankind could reach the Root and wield True Magic, thereby evolving into beings on par with them. The Grail being tainted by Avenger may or may not have been part of the plan.
- Kyoko's father, being in the Church and all that, may have believed in the cause of the Eighth Sacrament. His Pater Familicide may have been in the name of that cause, as he sought to purge his family from the Faustian curse that Kyoko bestowed upon them.
- The real reason why Soul Gems are necessary for magical girls' powers is because the Incubators are using the Third Magic, Heaven's Feel, to grant them their power; a soul that is materialized by the Third Magic will essentially become a magical perpetual motion machine. (It's also why the girls can use magic, even though they don't have any Magic Circuits.) Of course, the girls' limits stem not from a shortage of magic, but by the corruption that the Incubators use in their version of Heaven's Feel.
- An interesting concept for Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet: Incubators were actually a different "sect" of Evolvers created from a merger with salamanders. Kyubey's resemblance to an axolotl has been previously noted.◊ But whereas squid!Evolvers lost their intelligence with their new forms, the salamander!Evolvers managed to keep theirs to the mastering of telekinesis. They then called themselves the Pefecteds; feeling that they had perfected their beings to the highest state, they felt their new duty was to reverse all the problems in the universe and create utopia. And of course this meant solving the issue of universal heat death.
- Of course, what this means is that Madoka actually takes place after Gargantia, and the seas eventually recede and allow humanity to rebuild. The MG's saved by Godoka only resembled Cleopatra and Joan of Arc; history unfortunately has a way of repeating itself, and treachery, poverty and war would eventually come along and lead girls in similar situations to contract.
- Continuing with Aldnoah.Zero, the Incubators' aforementioned creation was set in motion by Heaven's Fall and its likely dire climatic and tidal effects.
- Ein will soon be contacted by Kyubey. Based on the ending of the anime version of Phantom Requiem for the Phantom with Ein's breakdown upon seeing Reiji murdered, Kyubey promises Ein can once again be reunited with Reiji and to truly escape the clutches of their criminal past.
Kyubeys are strange little creatures that bear a disconcerting similarity to the little fairy mascot magical world residents from Precure.
Due to the methods and MO of various Precure villains, the damage inflicted upon the universe by them (and the subsequent death/rebirth of the world) is being mistaken for Heat Death in the Kyubey's calculations, so they are trying, in their own twisted way, to save the universe with the power of the Magical Girls.
Take for example the villains from Smile and Heartcatch. The minions of Pierrot draw out the negative emotions of living beings to summon his form into the world and destroy it with pure Despair, and their method of siphoning this negative emotion is essentially the same thing as a Grief Seed sucking out the corruption from a Soul Gem. The Desertrians from Hearthcatch steal the metaphorical "Heart Flower" that represesents the "soul" and emotion of people, trapping them in crystals.
However, their methodology severs the Magical Girl's soul from the Precure system and prevents it from replenishing their strength and supporting them in times of need.
- Theme: PMMM is a cynical Magical Girl anime that runs on Moe factor, Magical Girls and Tragedy, while TTGL is an idealistic Humongous Mecha anime runs on manliness, Rule of Cool, awesomeness and warping reality itself and achievement through sheer force of Will.
- Protagonists: TTGL's Spirals are fully fledged humans; PMMM's Magical Girls are Undead Liches
- Energy and violation of Equivalent Exchange: TTGL's Spirals produce energy through Manliness and Hope; PMMM's Magical Girls produce energy through Tears and Despair.
- End of the Universe Scenario: TTGL has Big Crunch Spiral Nemesis when the universe acquires too much Mass and Energy and creates a supermassive black hole; PMMM has the Second Law of Thermodynamics, when all the Energy in the universe is lost to waste heat. In TTGL, Equivalent Exchange preserves the universe while No Conservation of Energy kills it; in PMMM, Equivalent Exchange destroys the universe while No Conservation of Energy saves it. TTGL's universe dies in a Bang; PMMM's universe dies in a whimper.
- Antagonists: Both Anti-Spirals and Incubators are cold, logical, ruthless Totalitarian Utilitarians with the philosophy of "The Needs of the Many outweigh the needs of the few." They only care about preserving their respective universes, and are the faceless Straw Vulcans to contrast with the emotional protagonists. The difference is that Anti-Spirals think that there is too much Energy, and want to suppress energy overproduction by causing Despair, while Incubators think that there is too little Energy, and want to manufacture Energy by causing Despair.
- Messianic Archetype equivalents: Kamina is Extroverted, Assertive, straightforward and Impulsively Badass, yet inspires by being a Rebellious Spirit and defying the conventional law of his society; Madoka is Introverted, shy, fluttering, and careful, yet also chooses to sacrifice herself and inspire hope and love in such a universe of despair, even though she knows how meaningless it is. Kamina is the radical Übermensch of Romanticist philosophy; Madoka is the Ethical Hedonist of Enlightenment philosophy.
- Ending: Rebellion versus Reformation, choosing between destroying the system altogether from the outside or changing it from the inside. The Spirals know that the Anti-Spirals are doing the right thing by preserving the universe from the Spiral Nemesis. Madoka knows the Incubators are doing the right thing by extracting despair-energy and giving humanity civilization. The difference: Spirals choose Rebellion, and kick Anti-Spirals to the curb while delivering a grandiose speech on Free will ("We will decide our own destiny"). Madoka chooses Reformation and knows that humanity needs the Incubators, but sacrifices herself to reform the system, rewrite reality, eradicate the needless Witch mutation so that the Magical Girls who sacrificed themselves for human civilization may no longer die alone in vain, and become the embodiment of hope in such a universe of despair.
- The Cynics: Rossiu is wrong, and his Well-Intentioned Extremist methods get the Spirals nowhere. Kyoko and Homura are right, and their Well-Intentioned Extremist methods allow them to survive.
Kyubey's real motive is not to deal with that thermodynamics mumbo-jumbo (the word itself may or may not have been invented by Sheogorath), but to try and preserve these stars, which anchor the planets of Mundus and prevent them from being devoured by the void of Oblivion. Magnus and several other et'Ada are actively trying to slowly shrink and eventually terminate these portals in an attempt to undo the fruit of Lorkhan's trickery. The only way to sustain these portals is to expose them to a foreign, non-Aedric source of magicka (Title Drop right there), so the Incubators eventually devised a method to derive magic gained from emotion.
To do so, they took the Daedric concept of Soul Gems, which can convert souls into raw magicka, and modified them to their needs. When a magical girl draws upon her Soul Gem's immense reserves of Aetherial magicka, the Soul Gem produces an equal amount of emotion-based magicka, which takes the form of the black gunk within a corrupted Soul Gem. If too much of this magicka is accumulated, the Soul Gem will fully explode on itself, becoming a fully Padomaic object - a Grief Seed, which acts as a micro black hole that devours and stores any foreign magicka it touches (which is why it's good for cleaning Soul Gems). Incubators, desiring as much of this magicka for their quota, created the wish-curse system to ensure that enough Grief Seeds will be made. Of course, this is where Madoka, disgusted by the unnecessary cruelty of the system, comes in.
Once Madoka accumulated enough foreign magicka through Homura's loops, and made her wish, she ascended into Aetherius and, due to her wish's retroactive nature, became a true et'Ada. Ultimate Madoka's divine nature is unknown. She could be an Aedra, sacrificing her power to ensure that the world would come into existence. To the denizens of Tamriel, she could be Mara, goddess of compassion, or she could manifest as Arkay, once-mortal god of life and death. She could be a Daedric Prince, one unknown to Tamriel, as she rules over her own realm and implies to Sayaka that she can exert direct power on Mundus. Either way, she is known to have supported Lorkhan, wanting him to carve the world that she held dear as a mortal. In that same vein, she is in direct opposition to the Aldmeri Dominion, who wish to destroy Mundus for the sake of their own divinity.
In one of Homura's timelines, Madoka made a wish that Kyubey be given emotion and be able to empathize with the Magical Girls he contracts. Rather than delete that particular "defective" unit, The Incubator civilization decides to see if it might work because the circumstances surrounding the emergence of this "defective" unit were unprecedented. Somehow or another they contact Princess Celestia and she is willing to take in this Kyubey - a relative Sugar Bowl like Equestria might be a good place to nurture something so unique. At worst, The Incubators can just cut and run, leaving it Celestia's problem. This Kyubey is reborn as Fluttershy, and finds that Good Feels Good and indulges in it so much she (eventually) holds the Element of Kindness. On the other hand, she's not a Genki Girl like Pinkie Pie because she also carries a massive amount of guilt and remorse over past actions.
- Her shy nature reflects that she was not originally a pony and so wasn't really sure how to conduct herself properly in pony society at first. She gets better with time, but still doesn't want to screw it up because Good Feels Good. Similarly, her scaredly-pony (at least on the surface) character is from a sudden loss of relevant knowledge of her new world combined with general fear of the unknown.
- Her taking care of animals acts as a sort of practice for taking good care of Puella Magi, as well as seeing what altruism is like. It also serves as an outlet for her to practice communicating and empathizing with other beings with ponies not readily available at first.
- Her general selflessness to the point of Extreme Doormat might be a holdover from being an Incubator with little sense of self-preservation in the service of a greater cause. The inner struggle with Flutterbitch might be trying to grapple with taking a heightened sense of self too far in the other direction.
- Her traumatic foalhood is an example of what kind of life Kyubey's usual leads go through. Something to use empathy for once she returns to contracting duty. An episode like "Hurricane Fluttershy" would also serve as good examples of the despair and hope that for the longest time Kyubey would just treat as resources.
- Her apologizing all the time is partly a quiet admittance both of her outsider status ("I'm sorry for barging into your group") and a reminder of her guilt ("I'm sorry for all the ways I've hurt you" - "you" in this case meaning more than just the pony she is addressing).
- Rainbow Dash became her first real friend because she represents everything Kyubey was not: brash, loud, acting on instinct rather than rationality, seeking immediate gratification, and loyalty to an individual like her (similarities to Sayaka would be in the back of her mind).
- Her freaky knowledge of sewing stems from exposure to all the intricate outfits that Puella Magi wear. By extension, being friends with Rarity allows for new insight on how and why Puella Magi end up dressed as they are when they do contract - might be useful in understanding why they are dressed that way.
- Her living near the Everfree and away from most other ponies serves to both maintain secrecy and as a contingency containment plan should the original Kyubey resurface; Fluttershy may live in fear of losing herself to an Incubator's nature (whether or not the fear is well-founded). Angel Bunny may be in on this as additional security - he is tough and direct because he understands the high stakes involved. It also allows Fluttershy the time and privacy to organize her throughts and feelings ("Dear Princess Celestia...").
- Her not-so-beautiful moments (i.e., "The Best Night Ever", Flutterbitch, "Putting Your Hoof Down") is sorting through the potential pitfalls that being emotional brings, or possibly her original nature attempting to sabotage the whole experiment. It's probably not desirable for a de facto commanding officer (if Magical Girls are like soldiers) to lose his/her cool in the middle of a fight and lose sight of the bigger picture, and introducing emotions into the equation likely brings that risk. Better to work out the kinks in Equestria, where the damage can be contained.
- Something like reforming Discord may be equivalent to a mid-term exam by Celestia to see how well Fluttershy has incorporated the EQ lessons learned: can she still perform the Incubator's job while having emotions and empathy?
- Her infamous "Stare" is a holdover from the Mind Rape / Exposition Beam she did to Madoka. Due to issues of secretcy (humans doesn't exist in Equestria after all) no information is conveyed and only the profound sense of despair if felt.
The explosion of phenomenal cosmic energy that was the Instrumentality attracted the attention of the Incubators, intelligent alien nanobots who wandered space trying and failing to find a solution to Universal Entropy (The Last Question by Isaac Asimov is about a computer being unable to solve entropy). The Incubators arrived on Earth and then salvaged and reverse-engineered the Evangelions, where they discovered the solution to create a God with the potential to override Universal Entropy. The purpose of the Incubators' Evangelion Revival Project is to transform Shinji's descendants into artificial Angels, and use those Angels to counteract universal Entropy and power the Incubators forever. They experimented onto Shinji's descendants, and discovered from the Evas that the most central ingredients are female souls (maternal souls used as the Evangelion software) and puberty (the adolescent pilots of the first Evangelions). They increased the efficiency of the reverse-engineered Metaphysical Biotechnology from the previous human civilization, such as the ability to salvage and manipulate souls and replicate the effects of S2 Engines, which they then use to transform adolescent females into neo-Evas by activating and turning their souls into S2 Engines/Fruits of Life/Angel Cores (Soul Gems).
Now that the female neo-Evas' S2 Engines are activated, the next part is how to mature the S2 Engines into fully-fledged Angel Cores. The final trigger was Depression, a relic courtesy of the male ancestor, Shinji Ikari, and the amounts of angst and despair of the previous world that was Evangelion in general. Shinji triggered the entire Instrumentality catastrophe and became a God by falling into Despair Event Horizon. The neo-Evas have inherited this and therefore they turn into fully-fledged Angels once they suffer Absolute Despair. However, the new Angels possessed Absolute Terror Fields so powerful they warped reality and created "Dirac Seas" and pocket dimensions for themselves (the labyrinths) protecting themselves from any attempts by Incubators to subdue them. It can only be destroyed, neutralized and opened by another powerful A.T. Field, such as those generated by the neo-Evas.
They weaponized the neo-Evas for subjugation and capture of the Angels, thus the creation of the Puella Magi and the repetition of the previous Angel versus Eva storyline. In turn, the weaponized neo-Evas themselves (Puella Magi) fell into Despair and mutated into Angels (Witches), allowing Incubators to exploit unknowing girls to fight Angels and volunteer as neo-Evas, hence the birth and evolution of the Puella Magi vicious cycle. The Incubators' experiments also contributed to the rebirth of human civilization, and the humans from Madoka Magica got the legends of gods and fallen civilizations such as Atlantis and Noah's Flood from the antediluvian civilization that was Neon Genesis Evangelion, which was literally flooded by the Instrumentality catastrophe.
- In the previous universe, Sara wished to return home, and eventually became a very destructive Witch. Perhaps Godoka pulled some cosmic strings for Shuu to come to Hellywood to help remind her that life is still precious. The "pulling cosmic strings" may explain why Lala-ru didn't suffer Sayaka's fate in the Portable game after losing her Soul Gem for so long.
- In a less happy timeline, Sara wished to return home, and eventually became the Witch Patricia, who gave off some vibes of a rape victim, as well as of things being beyond her control.
- A Madoka/NTHT crossover is especially poisonous if you think about it, since NTHT takes place so far in the future that the sun is burning out...implying that despite the Incubators' efforts, universal entropy still takes place. In other words, PMMM would become a "Shaggy Dog" Story.
- Phillip Coulson. As noted on the WMG for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Coulson appears to have low-level psychic powers that could be explained by being a magical boy. He was able to come back from Loki's attack because his Soul Gem was unharmed, and even though he "died" his body just had to be repaired. The thing that Hill says he can never know as of the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pilot is the mechanism for his survival - Fury (who is also of Kyubey's race - who said the cat-bunny thing is the only form they can take?) knows he will have a freakout if he realizes his soul is outside his body (like Sayaka did). His wish was probably that they could find out what happened to his childhood hero ...
- Howard Stark (original idea from Iron Man WMG Page): While Steve's plane was going down, Howard desperately wished to save his life. The Incubators being what they are, this led to Steve surviving ... but frozen under the ocean and lost to his friends forever. It was a downward spiral from there and that's why Tony always knew him as a cold man.
- Tony Stark: He wished for supernatural intelligence in the hopes he could impress his dad instead of just wishing for a better relationship with him (similar to the mistakes the girls make throughout PMMM).
- Or maybe he contracted with Kyubey so that he can escape from his terrorist captors. His arc reactor is actually his soul gem.
- Loki may not have contracted, but he has seen the Incubator homeworld. He tells Thor he saw many worlds - which implies he didn't end up with the Chiaturi right away. A big part of why he went completely nuts between Thor and Avengers was seeing the Incubator homeworld where anyone with emotions is imprisoned as a lunatic and they sacrifice other races willy-nilly for a threat billions of years away.
- Since he lost to a group of colorful Magical Girls that restore good feelings, he made a reality where feelings are their downfall and the cute little animal only takes advantage of their innocence and good heart.
And as you'll sound find out, the notion of Madoka's world being one big, horrible reality show for Earth's elite leads rather nicely into the first WMG in Part 4...
- Nil and the Incubators' planet are just a few light years far from each other. Kyubey's species never considered to make contracts with Nilians because Nilians like the Incubators is a mostly emotionless race.
- Here are the characters of Stardust Witch Meruru a fictional show in Oreimo and their Madoka Magica equivalent.
- Meruru is Madoka Kaname - both are magical girls with pink hair with twintails.
- Alpha Omega or Al-chan is Homura Akemi - her name means the beginning and the end which may refer to her time-based magic.
- An unnamed cyan haired magical girl is Sayaka Miki and Mami Tomoe in one person?
- Comet-kun is Kyubey
- Thanatos Eros, the Octopus, and Dark Witch Meruru are "witches" (definition in Madoka Magica)
- Witches (as in Meruru) are Puella Magi
- Dark Witches are Witches (as in Madoka Magica) - they don't have barriers in this universe.
- The story somewhat goes like this: Meru Akaboshi makes a contract with Comet-kun, Alpha Omega from another timeline comes to warn Meruru. At some point of the story, Al-chan becomes a dark witch so Meruru killed her with one strike. Cyan haired girl later wishes for Al-chan to be revived, Comet-kun allows since the wish only revives one person. The cyan haired puella magi do not have the power to revive magical girls but rather heal them. Meruru later turns into a dark witch and destroys the planet with one hit. Al-chan resets the timeline. Then a next season for Meruru is released.
- Zathura, the space-traveller witch whose nature is to play always. Unlike other witches, she does not actively trap humans. She lets humans trap themselves in her barrier. The only way to escape this witch's barrier is to beat the witch's game.
- She may have wished to have someone to play with her upon contracting with Kyubey. Her possesive personality may have cause her to become a witch.
- The Flying Dutchman is a witch in this episode. His barrier is his ship which includes the "perfume department" and the Fly of Despair where his minions are. Take note how Spongebob and Patrick were unable to escape the witch's barrier. Squidward faced the Dutchman's minions during his fall at the Fly of Despair.
- Those were more like cathedral windows. If anything, Elly might be a better match for Elsa's Witch form; Elly acted like a Hikikomori and Elsa spent most of her life shut away in her room, plus the production notes said Elly's barrier was modeled on a snowglobe. Plus Elly sounds like a nickname for Elsa, and Kirsten (her full name; Elly is just her online nickname) is a common Scandinavian name.
- Elsa's Witch barrier would probably resemble her canon ice palace; Marshmallow might be her Witch form (especially in how he represents her desire to be alone). Snowlem Olaf would be one of her familiars (he was actually created to recall her childhood memories).
- Wait, where is her soul gem? Her soulgem is white and is actually her hat, thus Ika claims she would die if one removes her hat.
- How about the witches? Ika actually fights witches offscreen. However due to being overloaded by her duty as a magical girl plus being a waitress at Lemon, Ika can't manage to actually start her invasion of humanity.
- When Ika temporarily loses her squid abilities in episode 12 of season 1, it is the result of Ika Musume rejecting her wish, upon losing motivation to invade humanity and doubting her ill-feelings towards humans. This is similar to what happened to Kyouko, losing her Rozzo Phantasma illusion magic upon the death of her father. Kyouko's wish was to make people come to her father's church and believe to her father's sermons.
- Similarly the octopus girl had the same wish as Ika's and also rejected her wish.
- Alternatively, given the desaturated and somewhat gloomy and isolated-looking world, the 'real' world could be a variant of Layer 2 ("Deception"). Some Witch-realms have hints implying that they evert to Layer 7 ("Commotion") or deeper, with many more hazards than average. Charlotte's sweets-and-medicine filled realm is a surrealized Layer 4 ("Desolation") or 5 ("Apprehension").
- Madoka's idealism makes her push towards everting in the direction of Layer 1, and also results in her getting extra traumatized by some of the raw violence the deeper Layers possess. Homura's darker nature is the result of resetting the timeline and ending up being forced to evert deeper and deeper to save Madoka, which cumulates in her Pumpkin Queen form in Rebellion, where she everts the entire universe and imprisons Madoka in a Layer 1 Gilded Cage.
- For more tearjerking, remember that Penny desperately wanted to be adopted...and Albertine's familiars "never seek her out".
Her witch form is that of a spider due to her fear. As a witch she is of motherly nature, so she lures children into her barrier which trully loves, but in the end smothers and loves them to death. Her barrier is the parallel world that looks like the house in the real world. She sews by hand her familiars (the mice, the other neighbors, the other father, the other Wayne, the furniture, etc. ) and her witch kiss are the buttons.
Which also means Coraline fought a witch without being a Maho Shoujo herself...and won. (and her grief seed is most likely lost somewhere in the house)The black cat is just a common housecat who knows alternate entrances to her barrier other than the tunel on the living room for which there's only one key, but these entrances are so small only the cat can use them.
- The laws of causality are clearly broken by Madoka's final wish: when she reaches across time to collect exhausted Puella Magi, she necessarily must create a warp storm in this area: laws of physics are locally suspended, otherwise it wouldn't be possible. Given the scope of her action, the entire planet must be in the Warpspace by now, not real space. Earth is therefore not a physical place, but a Warpspace location, and Madoka is its Daemon Prince. (Well, now Homura too, which has necessarily transformed the Earth in some ways, and the eventual emergence of subsequent Daemon Princesses will modify it further.)
- Creation of Demons - beings brought to life by negative human emotions gathering together - is a pretty direct proof of the Madoka Earth being in the Warp. This sort of thing is just not possible in a physical universe, but pretty standard in the Warp.
- Kyubey is quite possibly a C'Tan; judging from his modus operandi, most likely The Deceiver himself. C'Tan are immortal and probably indestructible, and the only thing they want (or maybe even the only thing they can do) is to eat, therefore they fear heat death of the Universe more than anything else. The Puella Magi program is based on some ancient technology, much like the one that created Necrons.
- As mentioned above, Madoka and Homura are Daemon Princes, which is one of the two basic outcomes for psykers who survive, the other being Spawndom (though the Puella Magi technology makes them very powerful and aberrant Spawns, here called Witches). It never occurred to Kyubey that Princedom is even a possible outcome for a Puella Magi, but given that he seems to be The Deceiver, it's not really a surprise (while clever, the C'Tan aren't exactly bright and they don't understand people well, and they don't get magic at all).
- Alternatively, especially after the events of Rebellion, it is Homura who has become the Daemon Prince whose powers over Madoka and her own universe rivals or even surpasses the original Heretic, Horus himself. The events of the Madokaverse and its descent into chaos was entirely dependent on Homura's psycho-temporal manipulation which made an innocent potential such as Madoka to be forced to accumulate so much suffering in the first place. And when Madoka became an agent of the God-emperor of Mankind did Homu reveal the true nature of her existence, as Chaos Undivided, the ultimate Daemon possessing the Four: Nurgle (her unlimited depression) Khorne (her unending hatred to the C'tan and basically everything) Slaanesh (her obsession with Madoka) and Tzeentch (her maunholy manipulation of time and space). Only Madokami seemed to be immune because she may have the essence of the Starchild (i.e. God-Emperor) but that also curses her to be a plaything in Homura's chaotic universe of insanity.
- This would make Sayaka a powerful daemonic servant, elevated by a Daemon Prince, but not a Daemon Prince herself.
- After Zeep eventually rebelled and Rick had to discard his previous battery, he opted for a subtler, more insidious method of power generation. This is the guy who gave humanity "melting ghost babies", after all.
- He may have gotten the idea from the Meeseeks Box.
- If the series isn't continued after Rebellion (as of spring 2017, 3.5 years later, all we have is a Vaporware trailer), we'll know it's because Rick noticed something wrong with his new battery and tossed it out for a new one.
- Or considering that Homura discovered interdimensional travel, she might end up fighting Rick.
Kyubey has always been seeking a good energy source to fight off entropy, and the Grief Seeds aren't really cut out for the job. However, Akemi Homura was Kyubey's attempt of creating an energy source better than the Grief Seeds, the Chrono Stone. However, despite Homura's attempt to alter time; she and her friends did not fufil the conditions to become a Chrono Stone, though Kyubey did get something just as good.
Homura was always an unstable Yandere who, like Russell, killed her Abusive Parents, possibly Madoka and the others as well, and was sentenced to death. Then she was chosen to partake in the experiment. The witches are manifestations of her past, like the bosses in Russell’s dream. The grief seeds represent her guilt. Kyubey is a computer program created by Dreamsend Inc. to serve as a guide for Homura. Eventually, in Rebellion, she finally peels away the false reality and begins to awaken, with the goal being to accept her guilt and be “taken away” by Madokami, before she hijacks the dream, putting her to eternal sleep in real life. Another failure.
Soul Gems also contain SP technology stolen from the Sagitta Civilization. In addition to the emotional power potential of magical girls generated by their wishes, their emotions and memories generate SP energy, which is harvested by Incubators. When their despair becomes too great, it crystallizes the excess SP energy and their negative emotions form into Ba'als.
All I need is for you to make a contract.
—->Fuck off, Kyubey.