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alt title(s): The Determinator; Never Give Up
"I don't know the meaning of the word 'surrender'!... I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb... Just - not in this context."
Every character needs a certain amount of Heroic Willpower, but there are some who take it just too far. The personification of raw perseverance, this is the character - good guy or bad, and usually male (but not always) - who never gives up. Ever. No matter what. Whatever other attributes he may possess, his persistence stands out.
There is no stopping the Determinator. He does not understand patience. He does not Know When To Fold Em. No one can reason with him. No price is too great to pay for success, up to and including his own life (and others'). He'll do whatever he has to do. Do not expect him to consider he might be better off letting it go, even if he can barely stand. Giving up is just not in his nature.
The nobility of his goal is in no way proportionate to his persistence. This is just as often an obsessive rival with a grudge as it is a hero on a chivalrous quest. In such cases, his determination could actually be what makes him sympathetic.
Whether his super willpower ultimately leads to his victory or destruction tends to depend on his position. For heroes, "hit the villain until he drops" is a virtue that will be rewarded in a My Name Is Inigo Montoya moment - the villain loses simply because the hero is too stubborn to stay down.
For anti heroes, it's a sign of why they're too insane to be heroes. Anti heroes tend to lack genre blindness in this role, often looking down on their heroic counterparts for whom victory/success comes more easily. This makes the Determinator hard to fit on the Sliding Scale Of Idealism Versus Cynicism - at times he seems to stand off to one side of the Scale and reach for both ends at once.
As for villains, especially those heavily influenced by comic book/cartoon cliches, this streak is occasionally written into their usually one-dimensional personality via We Will Meet Again. Villainous Determinators often come off as scary- badass, particularly when they keep implacably coming after the hero despite things that by all rights they shouldn't have survived, and frequently elicit cries of "Why won't you die?!"
In any case, you admire his dogged persistence even in the same breath that you might have to say, "What an idiot!". There is no line for him between "perseverance" and "insanity."
In shonen anime, it's comparatively rare to find a main character who isn't one of these.
Likewise, practically every scrolling shooter boss ever won't give up, even when it's had huge holes blown in it, is trailing smoke and flames, or has mostly fallen apart. In fact, it may actually get more powerful as a result.
A Sub Trope of Heroic Spirit (as long as it's a hero of course).
Compare Heroic Resolve and the (generally more short-term) Unstoppable Rage. Includes the Implacable Man, Doomed Moral Victor and Well Intentioned Extremist. Quite commonly, he will also be the Badass Normal. Prone to Screw Destiny and continue fighting when normally, he should be dead now. Lawful Stupid Chaotic Stupid characters often act in this fashion. Attack Attack Attack is the fight-specific (and often unmotivated) version of this. Among the characters who most frequently prove to be The Unfettered, though it's also a frequent trait of The Fettered as well. The Plucky Girl is a slightly variant Distaff Counterpart of this trope, where the heroine MIGHT have a breakdown at some point, but will inevitably get back up and be even more unstoppable than before. The Super Persistent Predator will never give up either, even/especially when it has every reason to go pursue something else.
Generally, it's a good idea to Never Tell Them The Odds.
Examples
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a problem anymore, then she WAS willingly to die. Like a total Badass with a smile on her
face. Basically, Rihoko was the one motivation that kept Masane from refusing to give up.
Period.
Comic Books
- Every time you beat the hell out of the Incredible Hulk, he gets madder. And when he gets madder, he gets stronger. For reference, in the official Marvel Universe Roleplaying Game, the highest possible strength score is 10, which is reserved for Thor and other gods. When angry, the Hulk has a maximum possible strength of 18.
- Batman in most incarnations. Lampshaded in an issue of Superman/Batman where the two heroes are standing in the Mall in Washington D.C., surrounded by an obscene number of supervillains.
Superman: They're all around us, you know.
Batman: Do you think we can take them? I think we can take them.
Superman: You always think we can take them. (They can take them)
- All of the Batfamily probably counts, but Jason Todd gets a special mention. In one issue, he's hanging far above the ground, hunted by a tentacled monster as Gotham burns around them.
Tentacle Monster: Is that your super-power, boy? Too stupid to ever give up?
Jason: *heh*... Maybe it is.
- In The Cult, he also argues with Batman when Batman, having been tortured and had his will broken by the leader of a cult, wants to give up on Gotham, and he's the one who finally persuades him to go back on his decision. At the end of the series, he also saves Batman's life after dragging himself through the sewers with a bullet in his leg.
- Steph. Her dad was the third-rate villain the Cluemaster, her mother was an addict, she took up crime-fighting to get back at her father, and she basically spent the next several years being strongly discouraged and occasionally tolerated by Batman. Then he made her Robin, then he fired her, then she was tortured half to death, then she came back to Gotham anyway to keep on fighting crime.
- The Tick.
- Basically every main character in Sin City: Hartigan, Marv, Dwight, Wallace...Some of the predicaments that these characters find themselves in are flabbergasting, yet they never show more than the slightest notion of fear in their endeavors.
- The graphic novel 300 (and really, the real life battle that it it based on) makes a note of showing that all of the 300 Spartans (particularly King Leonidas) are some of the most badass Determinators imaginable.
- The to be-Saint of Killers from Preacher managed to retain his mind even in death by pure hatred of the two men who he had swore vengeance on.
- The Thing of Fantastic Four never gives up, no matter how often his opponents may have beaten him before.
- In the Marvel GI Joe continuity, Snake-Eyes has just been in a helicopter crash, his crush is badly injured, and his head and throat have been burned and implanted with shrapnel-like shards of glass. Ordered to stand down, he writers two letters in the sand: C M. Continue Mission. Then, he all but single-handedly pulls the mission off.
- Rorschach from Watchmen:
"no. not even in the face of armageddon. never compromise."
- Wolverine of x-Men: Healing factor + Power Creep Power Seep + REALLY BAD TEMPER = Pants-wettingly tenacious.
- Captain America defeats superpowered opponents with both his incredible fighting skills and that he just won't quit!
- And Spider-Man could be his protege. That's almost as much a part of the character as Spider-Sense and webslinging.
- The Green Lantern Corps is full of Determinators, with Hal Jordan being the biggest of them all. Seeing as their rings are fueled by will power, this is probably a given.
- Suprisingly enough, Empowered is one if you think about it. Setting aside the fact that a sane person would have hung up the hypermembrane a long time ago rather than put up with the constant humiliation at the hands of almost everybody, her boyfriend once had to shred said suit in order to keep her from responding to an alert concerning a local "Heavy Hitter" on the move when so sick she could barely stand (then he answered said summons with nothing more than a sniper rifle).
- In the Marvel G1 Transformers comics, Grimlock's early hot-headed temper and stoneheaded stubbornness were revealed to be evidence of a greater quality: that of being unwilling or unable to consider giving up. He engaged in forbidden science to bring back his troops, attacked Unicron willingly, and even after the Decepticons had cut them down to five, as he explained to Prowl, post-eviscerating a Decepticon ambush: "That what we do, Prowl. We fight."
- Scrooge McDuck of Duck Tales: "My case is hopeless... but I just haven't the strength to give up!"
Film
- Obviously, De Terminator. As well as the quote formerly at the top of this very page:
Kyle Reese: "You still don't get it, do you? He'll find her! That's what he does! It's all he does! You can't stop him! He'll wait for you! He'll reach down her throat and tear her fuckin' heart out!"
- Given the hellhole of a future he lived in, Reese himself must have been one to survive. Also Sarah embraces her inner Determinator in the climax of the first movie, and practically becomes a Terminator in the second, to the point she's halfway to shooting a defenceless, wounded man in front of his wife and children for something he hasn't actually done yet. Even after that, she's still perfectly capable of firing a 12-gauge shotgun repeatedly after minutes earlier having an inch-thick metal spike rammed straight through her shoulder. Fuck the third film, there are only two Terminator movies.
- In Defiance, there is a random woman firing a mounted machine gun. While firing, she gets shot and, consequently, mortally wounded. She turns and shouts "No!" before using her dying breath to throw her weight down so that her corpse would keep the machine gun trigger pulled, which means it continues firing after she's died until it runs out of ammo. Tuvia Bielski himself is also a determinator. He got blown up like, a lot of times in the movie. He always managed to pop back up after each and every one.
- Carl Brashear in Men Of Honor put up with bigotry, an insane instructor, and losing his leg and was still unbowed.
- Captain Vidal in Pans Labyrinth. This makes him an utterly terrifying villain, while at the same time almost pitiable. (In fact, when he got shot in the head, he actually had the time to feel it!)
- The Black Knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - is actually a Deconstructive Parody of this, based on the old British idea of never surrendering, no matter what.
- Paul Newman's character Luke in the movie Cool Hand Luke is a perfect example of a Determinator. Acts of sheer determination include eating fifty eggs in under an hour to win a bet, multiple attempts to escape from jail, resisting the worst the warden could give him, and "winning" a boxing match by repeatedly getting up, no matter how many times he was knocked down, until his opponent, who was so far unharmed, refused to hit him any more. His nickname came from his habit of keeping going and refusing to quit when he has absolutely nothing - specifically, the time he won a poker game by bluffing.
Dragline: Nothin'. A handful of nothin'. You stupid mullet head. He beat you with nothin'. Just like today when he kept comin' back at me — with nothin'.
Luke: Yeah well, sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand.
- Both Neo and Agent Smith of The Matrix are up there - Smith possibly even more so.
- Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men has a belief system that revolves around this trope.
- Commander Taggart's Catch Phrase in Galaxy Quest: "Never give up, never surrender." Taggart is mostly based on Kirk of Star Trek (see below). This one is a bit of a Double Subversion, in that the character in the movie isn't Taggart, but the actor who plays him, and kind of a coward and a jerk, until he's forced to play the part for real, leading to Becoming The Mask.
- Smith. Shoot Em Up. 'Nuff said. he even manages to kill the Big Bad and The Dragon with guns despite the fact that he had all his fingers broken.
- Oh yeah, this one was deconstructed in Little Miss Sunshine, where the father is an annoying self-help program author who keeps saying "Only losers give up, winners don't!". And on top of that, he's bankrupt.
- Rocky Balboa of the Rocky films, as summed up in this speech to his son
.
- John McClane of the Die Hard movies. He is often outclassed, outmaneuvered, and outfought by his opponents, but the man just will not stop coming. He usually ends up barely more alive than the Big Bad by the end of one of his movies. This is a man so utterly unwilling to ever falter from his goal that even Samuel L. Jackson thinks he's nuts.
- Alex Forrest, the character played by Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.
- Nicky Santoro (Joe Pesci) in Casino. His friend Ace Rothstein (Robert De Niro) describes him thus:
Ace: No matter how big a guy was, Nicky would take him on. You beat Nicky with fists, he comes back with a bat. You beat him with a knife, he comes back with a gun. And if you beat him with a gun you'd better kill him, because he'll keep coming back, and back, until one of you is dead.
- Quint, the obsessed shark hunter in Jaws.
- Nana from Madagascar and Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa is a parody of the trope.
- John Creasy from Man On Fire. Being severely wounded with a partially collapsed lung does not deter him from hunting down, torturing and killing the kidnappers of his charge or anyone else involved.
- Ethan Edwards, the Confederate soldier-turned-Indian hunter in TheSearchers.
Ethan:Injun will chase a thing till he thinks he's chased it enough. Then he quits. Same way when he runs. Seems like he never learns there's such a thing as a critter who'll just keep comin' on. So we'll find 'em in the end, I promise you. We'll find 'em, just as sure as the turnin' of the earth.
- Momma from Throw Momma From The Train.
Larry: She's not a woman. She's the Terminator!
- The paperboy in Better Off Dead. "I want my two dollars!"
- Jason Bourne. At various times, he's shot, thrown off buildings, beat to a bloody pulp, put through horrendous car crashes, been right next to an exploding bomb. And he just gets up, hunts down who did that to him, and keeps on trucking.
- The crew of the Leper Colony in Dr Strangelove will complete its mission, no matter what.
- John Hancock, in Hancock, becomes one when friends and loved ones are threatened.
- One of Jamal Malik's defining traits in Slumdog Millionaire is how determined he is. Among other things, he spends almost his entire life up until the events of the movie looking for his childhood sweetheart, Latika, after he loses track of her not once, not twice, but three times. Not to mention that as a child, he willingly jumps into a pile of (literally) crap so that he can get the autograph of his favorite Bollywood star.
- Porter from Payback wants the money he is owed, will not be stopped by anyone.
- Two Words: Tony Jaa
Literature
- Paul in the New Testament practically exhorts all Christians to be determinators, especially in the face of persecution and/or death.
- Lee Child's Walking The Earth protagonist Jack Reacher (imagine Usagi Yojimbo if Usagi was a muscular ex-Army captain). When the Town With A Dark Secret (and a Meaningful Name) of Despair tosses him out for no real reason other then being an outsider, it only makes him more determined to find out what's going on.
- Ethan Gage from William Dietrich's books Napoleon's Pyramids and The Rosetta Key. No matter what his enemies throw at him, he manages to survive it, including dangling him over a pit of snakes, burying him up to his neck in the middle of the desert and sending an entire (Napoleonic) French military brigade after him. His enemies ask him whether or not he is immortal on several occasions, Including Napoleon right before his planned execution
- Edmond Dantčs, aka the Count of Monte Cristo, is certainly worth a mention. After his betrayal he devotes his entire life to the pursuit of vengeance. Absolutely everything he does is somehow a step in his giant Xanatos Roulette designed to get his just revenge. He does settle down in the end, but by then he's pretty much accomplished everything he intended.
- As far as I know... every single Dick Francis hero/narrator character. I'll just mention one: Sid Halley, who is tortured by a villain who destroys his crippled left hand, then threatens to destroy the right hand as well, the thing he most fears. Needless to say, he doesn't give up. And that's topped in a later book.
- The main character of the Sword Of Truth series is described at at least one point as "the kind of man who would jump over a cliff to come after you". Which is either Too Dumb To Live or Determinator. Or possibly both.
- Hawk and Fisher, the titular characters from Simon R. Green's books, are definitely up there as determinators. Despite being completely human, they're willing to go up against anything Haven can throw at them and stick to their principles. Usually while insisting they've seen worse.
- Most characters in Les Miserables, including Jean Valjean, who is an insatiable dogooder who won't stop even when half the police in Paris are breathing down his neck, Eponine and her insane suicidal crush, eventually all the revolutionaries (even Grantaire), Fantine, who keeps working to save her daughter despite losing her teeth, hair, dignity, health and life, the Thenardiers and especially Inspector Javert.
- In The Wheel of Time, there are several instances.
- Rand.
- The Aiel, on the other hand, take an oath to be Determinators: 'Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit into Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.'
- The extinct nation of Manetheren, who took this trope to absolutely crazy extremes. The Trolloc Wars devastate the world? The Red Eagle of Manetheren flies at the forefront of every battle against the Dark One's armies. The Manetheren army receives word while still on the field of battle that a massive Trolloc army has Manethren in its sights and there's nothing they can do in time to save their home from a horrific fate? They march home faster than even their allies thought humanly possible and meet the army before it crosses the river into their territory. Said army includes a legion of Dreadlords and Ba'alzamon himself? Doesn't phase them one bit. Their aid from other nations (their one remote chance of surviving) is cut off by betrayal by the Amyrlin Seat? They keep on fighting, only crossing the river and burning its bridges when they don't have any more troops left to fight. They finally have to evacuate their beloved mountain city and flee because the Trollocs are at the gates? Some flee, but a huge part of the non-soldier population (most of which consists of farmers and shepherds with nothing but pitchforks) takes up the slack and rides out to fight the Trollocs in a titanic final battle. Everyone last one of them gets massacred? The Queen, fueled by her anger over the death of her beloved husband on the field of battle, NUKES the entire Trolloc army with the One Power, destroying herself and the abandoned city in the process. The few survivors of Manetheren, rather than fleeing to other lands, decide to stay and rebuild what they can. Holy. Freaking. Crap.
- Roland of Gilead, the Gunslinger of Stephen King's The Dark Tower series is determined to make it in spite of losing every friend he ever had, losing a few fingers and toes, and every old man's bane, arthritis.
- Lisbeth Salander from Stieg Larsson's Millennium trilogy: do whatever you want to this 4 feet 11 inches tall girl: strand her on a bed for one full year, beat her nearly to death, rape her in the most gruesome way you can imagine, attack her in the middle of a tropical storm, send half the scandinavian police after her, shoot her in the head then bury her, she will get back and have her revenge no matter what.
- Captain Ahab, from Moby-Dick.
- Given the large number of books, it's no surprise that Discworld has featured several.
- Big Fido of Men At Arms is a tiny poodle that rose up through the ranks of the feral dog population by being a small, fast, impossible to defeat, killing machine. The narration notes that you could have sandblasted him for five minutes and what was left 'still wouldn't have given up and you'd better not turn your back on it'.
- Then there's Zombies, who are literally fueled by their obstinate refusal to die. Reg Shoe is probably the shining example.
- Vimes might get a couple of points here too. The man managed to outlive zombies, Trolls, and Golems in an alternate universe where the Watch was wiped out by Klatch. Not to mention kill two werewolves with his bare hands - and everything else - getting taken off the list of acceptable targets by the Assassins guild (a move he was inclined to appeal), taking history by the throat and making it cry uncle...the man is the the living embodiment of this trope!
- Granny Weatherwax's behavior approaches this at times. She never loses. Ever. No, not even then. She just wants you to think she lost.
"If I've got a fault," she said, contriving to suggest that this was only a theoretical possibility, "it's not knowing when to turn and run. And I tends to bluff on a weak hand."
- Also, the Luggage. Yes, its sole purpose for existing was to carry luggage around in extra-dimensional space for its owner, and it was only armed with its own lid as a mouth, a big red tongue, and the hundreds of very short, very small feet it used to move around. But this thing never ever felt fear, was completely immune to every type of magic, could shrug off most physical damage like it was nothing, and always knew where its owner was and the fastest way to get to him/her. It has an amazing track record, fighting across multiple continents and bottoms of oceans, fighting with the incarnation of a God of madness, and smashing through a diamond shell that encased it; it only ever took two breaks of its own free will, one was to get hammered at a bar, and the other was to get it on with a female Luggage on a trip to its home continent, and to the confusion of its current and previous owners somehow father several children. Keep in mind, till this point the Luggage race were seen as well crafted luggage from special trees.
- The protagonist of half of John Steakley's novel Armor joins the military in a Bug War. This leads to him being in scout armor (weaker than standard issue) in a mission gone very wrong. He's the only person to survive the mission, which, due to a processing error, means he gets sent on every single high casualty raid against the bugs. He doesn't quit. He doesn't complain. He doesn't die. He just kills. Over and over again, eventually devoting a whole mental subroutine to living through constant war.
- The Deliverators from Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash will get you your pizza pie within thirty minutes or else the head of the corporation will fly down by helicopter and personally apologize for wasting your time, offering your family free tickets to Sicily at a luxury resort for compensation. Needless to say, they do not give up lightly. Of course, considering that they work for La Costra Nostra Pizza, and given their bosses original full time occupation, I would not want to cause him to be 'inconvienced' either.
- Fëanor, from The Silmarillion, who has a dying vision that the Noldor will never defeat Morgoth, and tells his sons to keep their oath to take back the Silmarils at all costs anyhow. His sons die too early or break down at the end.
- Speaking of JRR Tolkien, Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli's pursuit of the orc band who kidnapped Merry and Pippin in The Lord Of The Rings shows that they have a bit of The Determinator in them as well. And then there's Samwise Gamgee, a simple gardener and loyal friend/servant/batman
to Frodo, who is the only member of the Fellowship who actually makes good on their original goal: to carry the Ring to Mount Doom and destroy it (though the last part was accomplished with a bit of unwitting help from Gollum).
- Villain Protagonist Knight Templar head of the Guardian Service Operations Headquarters General and Colonel Stanis Alexander Rashid Trastamara from Yulia Latynina's Inhuman, was at a certain point called "inhuman" by his boss, for being completely calm and unphased even after having just gotten fired as a result of intrigue and virtually exposed to revenge from his political enemies; as the boss mused, Trastamara was utterly ruthless (to the point of sending his son on a suicide mission; then again, apparently he did become concerned when it got even more suicidal, implying that he simply was this confident in him), unphaseable and unbribeable. Another quote: "It was not as though Stanis thought he could get away. It was just a matter of principle: don't give up before someone fries your head with a laser, and don't do it yourself. This, after all... was the difference between him and the poor terrorist he stopped [at the spaceport by tackling him immediately upon noticing the mark of a symbiont, despite himself having broken legs from a recent botched operation and disabled prosthetics]. He did not seek death. He sought victory". That was just after he shot the hyper-paranoid Evil Prince with a hidden "primitivi" projectile weapon and went on to have an insanely awesome and successful escape from the prince's private fortress.
- Certain (Citizen) Major Victor Cachat, a special agent of (People's) Republic of Haven in the Honor Harrington books at a first glance is the least physically imposing or frightening person. A very young man for his rank and position (he is in his early thirties in a society where average life expectancy routinely tops 250-300 years), of slim build and rather short stature, somewhat moderately attractive (he was even described as cute at least once), kind, naive, eager, and a bit prudish, he isn't all that menacing... Except when he has his moments, which tend to scare the utter shit out of LARGE groups of heavily armed and certifiedly Badass adversaries, including religious fanatics, terrorists and genetically engineered super soldiers. And it isn't even Split Personality - he just takes his job very seriously, and pull absolutely no punches. The fact that his second novella is just called Fanatic speaks volumns.
- Honor Harrington herself, in the same series. If you are in the way of her fulfilling her mission, or hit the Berserk Button of threatening people she cares about (or both), nothing you can do will stop her from taking you down sooner or later. And it's usually awesome.
- One of the catchphrases of the pulp hero The Shadow was "The Shadow never fails!"
- It's well known that Raistlin Majere of Dragonlance was willing to sacrifice anything for his magic.
- Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride. His "overdeveloped sense of vengeance" drove him onward to a truly iconic Crowning Moment Of Awesome.
- Corwin, from Roger Zelazny's Amber series. Gets out of bed without a memory after a car accident and doggedly discovers his heritage. He gets imprisoned and blinded, and manages to escape...And that's just in the first of the five novels. There's five more starring his son, who is basically just as determined.
- Khalifa in Bones of the Hills pursues the Mongol expeditionary force across approximately 150 miles of desert, during which time several horses on both sides die and the Mongols' and Arabs' eyes are rubbed red by dust. Unfortunately for him, Jochi and Jebe paced themselves to always remain just outside the range of the Arabs' bows so that, when dawn broke, the Mongols could turn around and more easily pick off the slightly less tired Arabs. When this happened, Jebe ordered their Chinese conscripts to move to the back line, but Shu Ten proved his determinator credentials by begging the generals to let his men fight on the front lines despite not having the toughness or endurance that comes from growing up in the steppes.
- The Star Wars Expanded Universe was aware that fans liked Boba Fett enough that he couldn't just be left to die ignominiously. So how did he escape something that preserves and digests victims over the course of millenia, trapping them in their own and each other's memories, while keeping them entirely immobile? With great difficulty. Go to And I Must Scream and ctrl-f "Sarlacc".
Live Action TV
- Agent Paul Ballard from Dollhouse is so radically this, it's pretty much a setup for future Deconstruction.
- Dani Beck from Law And Order Special Victims Unit. Elliot Stabler admired her for her "over-zealous" reputation, but he was very much in the minority.
- In Power Rangers Wild Force the Blue and Black rangers' motto was "Never Give Up!", which they often used to encourage each other when the chips were down.
- ''Doctor Who has quite a few:
- The Doctor himself. The World Is Always Doomed, sometimes the entire universe, yet he rises to the challenge every single time, even after his own planet was converted to radioactive vapour. The Master is also an exceptional Determinator, having died at least three times and yet still coming back for more.
- The Daleks are even bigger Determinators than the Doctor, utterly devoted to their self-imposed purpose of becoming the only form of life in the universe. Part of this is how they perceive themselves, but you have to admire a species that manages to survive even after being made extinct. Twice. At least. In the new series alone.
- The original series' Cybermen are up there too. By the end they're a pathetic bunch of tin soldiers floating around the galaxy in a derelict spaceship, with no home planet and no influence... and they still refuse to lay down and die. "They never get tired, and they never give up."
- Davros has survived several No One Could Survive That scenarios through sheer willpower, and he has never abandoned his dream of ruling the universe through the Daleks.
- Yup. This this trope fits Mal Reynolds from Firefly to a 'T'. The man will NOT stay down. Shot in the arm? Minor annoyance. Hit in the chest with a thrown knife? Flinch and a gasp of pain. Shot in the stomach? Some medical tape and a jolt of adrenaline is all he needs. Impaled through the gut with a sword? Pull it out and keep fighting. Tortured to death? Get back up, stick the torturer with his own toy, and proceed to beat the hell out of the Big Bad.
- Jack Bauer of 24, who will stop the terrorists no matter what it takes. Torturing him to death just makes him angrier. Seriously, they've tried international assassins, nuclear bombs, nerve gas, and even corrupt Presidents; and they STILL can't stop The Bauer.
- Several characters from Babylon 5, though none as much as G'Kar. Over the course of one arc, he takes off in search of a friend, is captured by his enemy, tortured repeatedly (only screaming once, and that was rather than die), has an eye plucked out, and breaks out of "unbreakable" chains.
- Not with violence, but Karl "Helo" Agathon in the Battlestar Galactica episode "The Woman King". Say what you like about the quality of the episode as a whole, but character-wise, seeing that something definitely wrong is happening, he refuses to drop his investigation, over the racism of his crewmates and demands from his superiors to just let it go.
Tigh: You may as well take whatever credibility you have left and chuck it out an airlock. You seriously want to stand up for these crazy frakkin' people? What is it with you?
- Then there's Starbuck. As she says when someone asks what they're going to do at the end of season two: "Do what we always do. Fight 'em till we can't."
- Star Trek:
- James T. Kirk. In Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan, it is pointed out that he is so determined to win that he cheated in his "Kobayashi Maru Test", an intentional no-win situation designed to test the character of officers-in-training. He won. The Character Development of the film is that he must deal with losing Spock, there is no way he can keep Spock from dying.
- Not to mention Khan from the same film. He's successfully stolen a ship, and can go anywhere he wants, but first he has to have his revenge on Kirk.
Khan: He tasks me! He tasks me and I shall have him. I'll chase him round the moons of Nibia and round the Antares malestrom and round perdition's flames before I give him up!
- One episode had Data dealing with losing at a strategy game by repeating said game over and over and over trying to work out where he'd gone wrong, unable to understand (or accept) the fact that a computer had been beaten at strategy. Eventally he he asked for a rematch, then forced his opponent into a draw instead.
- The Borg, even after their Villain Decay. In the Expanded Universe, they take about six levels in badass
- Likewise, the Jem'Hadar.
Q: You can't outrun them. You can't destroy them. If you damage them, the essence of what they are remains - they regenerate and keep coming... eventually you will weaken; your reserves will be gone... they are relentless.
Omet'iklan:I am First Omet'iklan, and I am dead. As of this moment, we are all dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for we are Jem'Hadar. Remember, victory is life.
- Worf, in By Inferno's Light.
- The cool ships are like this as well. Every version of the Enterprise has taken abuse that would reduce another ship to recycled scrap metal. The USS Voyager was stranded a bajillion light-years from any kind of base that could offer repairs and yet managed to take on, and defeat, hundreds of enemy ships and leave a trail of destruction and reconstruction on its way home. And of course, you have the Defiant which almost singlehanded won the Dominion War.
- It shouldn't be too terribly shocking, considering what she is, but Cameron of The Sarah Connor Chronicles is pretty darn tough. Little things like getting caught in a massive car bombing don't do much more than give her a limp for a bit.
- There's also Allison Young, the girl whom Cameron's appearance was based on. She doesn't surrender, repeatedly attempts to escape, and when Cameron is about to kill her, she stares her right in the eye and declares she'll never help them.
- Comedy example: Jack Donaghy of 30 Rock. Among other things, he's grown an inch and a half and defeated a killer peanut allergy on pure willpower.
- Every main character of Stargate SG 1. Their Determinator status is so legit; they've each been killed and resurrected and still they're the baddest heroes in the Stargate Command. It is possible to draw a graph of the series as follows: X-axis is "Number of times Daniel has died/been thought dead". Y-axis is "Apparent calcification level of Daniel's spine". The graph is roughly linear.
- Done in a very silly manner in Monty Python's Flying Circus's 'Upper Class Twit of the Year Show'. The commentator says of one particular Twit 'He doesn't know when he's beaten this lad. He doesn't know when he's winning either. He doesn't seem to have any sensory apparatus whatsoever'
- The Scooby Gang of Buffy The Vampire Slayer as a whole. Buffy herself nearly fits this trope, having taken enough emotional abuse to turn your average Marine into a catatonic shell, but a few things have managed to stop her (such as death). But where she fails, Xander, Willow, and Giles pick up. When she weakened, they rose to the challenge. When she ran away, they fought in her place. When she died, they brought her back. There is no power in this or any other world that can defeat the Scooby Gang. Gods have failed.
- The Closer's titular character, Brenda Leigh Johnson.
- Lampshaded in Tokusou Sentai Dekaranger where Red Ranger Ban gets a promotion, but won't leave until he's sure Sixth Ranger Tetsu can replace him as the "fireball."
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Mythology
- Let us not forget the original determinators, the Erinyes (a.k.a. the Furies) from Greek Mythology (making this trope Older than Dirt.) Hell, one of them (Alecto) has a name that actually has a literal translation of "The Implacable"
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Professional Wrestling
- Pretty much every main event Face in Professional Wrestling since Hulk Hogan, and half the Heels too. Incidentally, being a Determinator is one of the things that can make a heel a Draco In Leather Pants. It worked for Steve Austin, after all. In fact, wrestling actually has so many Determinators running around, that it actually has a contest to see who the biggest Determinator actually is: the I Quit Match, a special Gimmick Match in which the only way for the match to end is for one of the participants to say the phrase, "I Quit," on a live mic, in front of the thousands of fans in the arena and the millions watching at home. Naturally, I Quit matches tend to be among the most brutal affairs one can see in wrestling.
- Austin lost his "I Quit" match vs. Bret Hart by passing out while in Hart's "Sharpshooter" hold, rather than submit. He'd rather deal with enough pain to make him lose consciousness than give up.
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Tabletop Games
- Dungeons And Dragons actually has monsters based around this trope. The Inevitables, a race of extra-planar automotons, are designed to uphold the universal concept of law. Someone who has escaped a fate destined for them, or otherwise gained the ire of the Inevitables will be hunted down unceasingly by these creatures. If you manage to kill one that's after you, they'll just send more. No matter where you hide, no matter which plane of existance you flee to, they will hunt you down until you are dead.
- Characters that take the Diehard feat (and it's required precursor Endurance) tend to be the ones that will finish a fight, even if it kills them. (D&D has a 10 HP buffer between KO'ed and dead as a doornail, Diehard allows a character to ignore the KO and keep fighting at the cost of their few remaining HP)
- The real Game Breaker is the Frenzied Berserker class. When one of these goes into his Unstoppable Rage, she literally cannot be killed or stopped by hit point damage. Her hit points may be less than 100, but you can do millions of points of damage and she'll continue fighting. The Achilles Heel? As soon as she calms down, her wounds suddenly take full effect.
- Some animals in the game, such as badgers and wild boars (as well as their giant-sized monstrous counterparts) are given an ability similar to the Frenzied Berserker.
- Between Space Marines, Necrons, Imperial Assassins, Orks, Tyranids and various other daemons, freaks, unkillable monsters and religious maniacs, Warhammer 40000 has a horrifying number of these.
- The Necrons and their C'Tan gods are [un]living embodiments of this trope. Shoot them, they repair themselves. Blow them to bits with explosives, they reassemble. Rout them, they phase out and will come back for more eventually. Shoot the C'Tan with the combined power of thirteen Blackstone Fortresses, each capable of destroying a star (and the system along with it), and which fire the only weapon in existence, they're noted as powerless against and vulnerable to, and they take a nap (altho how much damage the C'Tan in question sustained is unknown, as it has been "napping" ever since, for 60 million years, and doesn't show any indications of waking up yet). Force the entire race into hibernation, and a few billion years later, they'll wake back up and resume the attack with gusto. Each and every Necron is a Determinator, and there are thousands of them at minimum, complete with physics-bending weapons, vehicles, and starships.
- The Imperial Guard get special mention, as the entire army is one giant Determinator. Unlike their opponents, the regular troops of the Guard are just ordinary men and women who will often break and flee in the face of the mind-breaking horrors they have to fight. However, the Guard itself as an organization is a massive, unstoppable entity that soaks up casualties without stopping, refusing to break and surrender in the face of the tremendous suffering and terror it has to deal with.. The common strategy of the guard is to simply march their men straight into the enemy fire while simultaneously blasting everything infront of them with massed artillery.
- A more specific example would be the Death Korps of Krieg. These regiments are renowned as Determinators in an army of Determinators. The Death Korps soldiers unflinchingly advance under fire and dig in with World War I style tactics, seeing their massive casualties as penance for a planet-wide rebellion on Krieg millenia ago. They won't give an inch of ground as long as there are guardsmen living to grind it out in the trenches.
- The Space Marines embody this trope to the t. Not only are they heavily armoured supersoldiers with the ability to withstand wounds that would kill a normal man thrice over, they are also unshaken n their faith and determination. Some notable examples include the Ultramarines 1st (veteran) company that defended their chapter fortress against the innumerable Tyranid swarms. They managed to hold them back long enough for the orbiting fleet to drive off the Tyranid hiveships, even though it cost them all their lives (as well as several nearly irreplaceable suits of Terminator armour). Also deserving of mention are the Grey Knights, which are always eliter-than-elite's-elite, who has never had any of its order succumb to the call of the Chaos Gods. Then you start going into the named and higher-ranked characters and see what Warhammer 40K is going for. It is said that "A fortress will not stop the Space Marines, although it may slow them down"
- Generally averted with the Tau, whose military doctrine considers ground won as irrelevant beyond being a place to kill the enemy. They consider a heroic Last Stand to be the mark of an incompetent or unimaginative commander, and won't hestitate in retreating from a strong enemy attack. However, that all goes out the window if a Tau army's Ethereal leader is killed. The Tau version of battle-rage involves slowly advancing while pouring ridiculous ammounts of fire into the enemy, only stopping when they run out of ammunition.
- The Orks have an... Interesting view about defeat. Basically, they never lose. If they win, that's good. If they're defeated, they're dead, so that doesn't count. And if they retreat, it's for coming back later fur annuver go with more boyz and More Dakka. Those green barbarians just won't stop coming at your throat until you'd have wiped them all from a planet's ground... And as they emit tons of spores upon their deaths which will form new Orks, even this won't stop them from coming back. Unless you Kill It With Fire, in which you may reduce it.
- Their galactic empire has collapsed. Their species is moving towards extinction and they have no real hope or chance remaining. What do they do? Do they flee the galaxy to live in peace? No, the Eldar keep fighting.
- 7thSea's Erich Sieger, a ruler so stubborn that he salted the earth of his own lands to prevent an invading army from capturing it. He's the poster boy for the mechanical advantage the system calls, "Man of Will".
Video Games
- Kratos from God Of War and its sequel and prequel. He's literally climbed out of Hell... three times. As he puts it: "If all of Olympus would deny me my vengeance, then all of Olympus must die!" The fact that his only clear motivation is the desire to kick the ass of anyone who screws with him just solidifies his status as an undiluted Bad Ass.
- The space marine from Doom utterly refuses to go down without a fight, despite the fact that all hell has literally broken loose, and he is the only non zombified person in millions of miles. He proceeds to blow up all the demons and zombified people that are attacking him. He then fights his way into Hell, kills everything there, and fights his way back out. And that's just the first game. In Doom 2, he indirectly destroys Hell. Talk about a Bad Ass Normal.
- He gets even more badass. In the Nintendo 64 exclusive Doom 64 (the last game in the Doom franchise before it was rebooted with Doom 3) one powerful "mother" demon resurrects everything Doomguy had killed in his previous fights. His response? Eradicate anything between him and the Mother, kill her, and then stay in Hell to make sure the demons don't try anything like that ever again.
- Axel Almer from Super Robot Wars: Original Generation 2 is absolutely obsessed with defeating Kyosuke Nanbu. The part that makes him a Determinator is that his actual beef is with the Kyosuke Nanbu from Axel's original dimension (he is part of an invasion from another dimension), this Kyosuke is known as "Beowulf" and repeatedly humiliated Axel in battle. The fact that this dimension's Kyosuke has no idea who Axel is or why he is so determined to defeat him doesn't seem to matter to Axel.
- Original Generations mellows Axel's Determinator personality a little, but he's still intent on stopping Kyosuke. Though he just uses another reason. And when he's Back From The Dead in OG Gaiden and had a Heel Face Turn, he seems to completely lose his Determinator status...
- And speaking of Kyosuke Nanbu, whenever something happens to his partner and lover Excellen Browning, he himself becomes a Determinator, plowing through anything in his path to get her back.
- And, of course, Zengar Zombolt, despite being easily one of the most competent of the heroes and in a powerful machine to boot often finds himself outmatched, outgunned, and even out and out disabled. His response? "Shut up! And listen! I am Zengar Zombolt! The sword that cleaves evil!"
- Luca Blight, the main villain of Suikoden II is the embodiment of this trope. Despite being the prince (and later king) of a massive country, he is the single most powerful human warrior on his side of the field (and arguably, the entire Suikoden universe), turning the tides of entire wide scale battles simply by appearing and punishing/killing any of his men for so much as hesitating in battle. If more proof is needed, his death scene should make this trope obvious. This trait, combined with the fact that he is a sadistic Omnicidal Maniac and a Nietzsche Wannabe, makes him a very intimidating and frightening villain.
- Deconstructed in Tales Of Symphonia: Part of what made the Knight Templar main villain what he is was that he could not, in any way, manage to give up on his ideals as they became more and more warped and admit that there might be a better way to do it - even as he lies dying, he is unrepentant and claims he would do the same things over again if given the chance to redo his life. This puts the villain in sharp contrast with Lloyd, whose ideals also clash with the way the world works - Lloyd, however, knows to yield and learn from his mistakes when it is obvious that he has done wrong, which is an integral part of the Character Development that turns him into The Messiah.
- Final Fantasy:
- The "Unsent" from Final Fantasy X are people who've died but still cling to existence through sheer willpower.
- Final Fantasy VIII has Seifer, who refuses to back down no matter how many times he gets his ass handed to him, even after it's been made clear to him that he's being manipulated and used by the Big Bad.
- Galuf from Final Fantasy V does it too. The rest of the party is imprisoned... it looks like the end... then Galuf gets up and beats the hell out of Exdeath single-handedly in a completely awesome Heroic Sacrifice. It's made even more awesome by Galuf refusing to acknowledge that he has no HP left.
- Terra, from Final Fantasy VI. With the defeat of Kefka, the source of magic is gone and all Espers are vanishing from the world. This includes the Half-Esper Terra. Even knowing this, Terra chooses to enter her Trance form and lead the party out of the collapsing Tower. In the final stages of the ending, after the last shard of Magicite has vanished, Terra is still flying in order to lead the airship out, even as her power wanes and she beings to fall. In the end, The Falcon catches Terra, who has reverted to a human form. Not only does she manage to outlive every other Esper on sheer determination, she manages to completely survive, albeit as a human.
- Caim, the protagonist of Drakengard, has it in for every single Empire soldier and civilian. All of them. He will kill them all. No one will escape. Even his dragon mount, who detests all of humanity, says to him, "Must you slaughter so many?" Not even The End Of The World As We Know It keeps him from fulfilling his vengeance.
- Adell from Disgaea takes this to the point where it actually grants him in-game bonuses: he deals extra damage against enemies with a higher level than himself.
- Vyse from Skies Of Arcadia. In fact, his Infinity Plus One Title can only be achieved by (among other things) never running from a single battle. At all.
- About everyone who has or once was suppossed to have a Snake in his name from the Metal Gear Solid series.
- Liquid Snake. Pretty determined to kill his brother. He even beats him up after falling of a story tall Metal Gear.
- Naked Snake in Metal Gear Solid 3 is more straight example in that he keeps on going even though his mentor kicks his ass every time they meet.
- Raiden in Metal Gear Solid 4 is equalled in his stubborn desire to get himself killed only by his inability to give up under any circumstances. A vampire is stabbing you repeatedly in the chest? Just fight harder! A building falls on you? You don’t need your limbs! Someone drops a battle ship on your head? Bring it on.
- Not to mention Solid Snake himself, who spends most of the time between later missions coughing up his lungs and trying to put himself back together with sticky tape. It doesn't stop him for a moment.
- Ocelot - the only character to appear in all the MGS games - is stubborn enough to implant another personality into himself to carry on the plans his idol had for the world.
- Volgin. Beat him up with your fists, grenades, shotgun, and whatever else you may have, and then blow up the weapons hangar with him in it? He blasts his way out with the Shagohod and chases after you, trampling everything and everyone who would get in his way, including flipping over a jet on the runway. Blow up the bridge he’s crossing? He launches the Shagohod out of the wreckage and keeps coming. Pepper the Shagohod with RP Gs until it finally breaks down? He punches his way out of the cockpit, uses his electrical powers to reanimate the blasted husk of a tank, and keeps on coming while you fire more RP Gs and sniper bullets at his exposed body. And he STILL DOESN’T DIE until being struck by a lightning causes the bullets he wears all over his body to explode. Liquid would be proud.
- Vhailor from Planescape: Torment, a Knight Templar so unstoppably dedicated to his cause that he didn't even realize he was dead, and endured as a haunted suit of armor
- Doctors Robotnik and Wily from the Sonic The Hedgehog and Mega Man series share more than just a PhD in robotics: no matter how many times the heroes stop their plans to take over the world, they keep coming back. Heck, toss Bowser from Super Mario Bros in and you have a triumvirate.
- Sonic The Hedgehog himself is a pretty fair example. Although it's often obscured by his eternal optimism and devil-may-care attitude, it's clear to see that he will never say die:
- He has, to date, fought somewhere around ten final bosses in space/collapsing dimensions/in the sky/at the planet's core/etc., with his only protection from the environment being his super form that's running on a timer.
- It's also arguable this is a gameplay feature, as he will never die (except via crushed by objects or falling into pits) as long as he has at least one ring.
- And reportedly (this editor isn't sure as he hasn't yet played it), in Sonic and the Black Knight, his will and determination is what gives him the strength to go super and face the final boss, even after it's already beaten him down.
- Re: "never say die" above: His death in Sonic '06 doesn't count, as that game erased itself out of existence.
- Shadow might also qualify.
- Mario himself while we're at it. No matter what the setting, the genre or whether he's alone or with allies, the only real personality traits he has are kindness and simply not stopping.
- The Nasuverse has a selection:
- Emiya Shiro from Fate/Stay Night simply refuses to die (or stop) when someone he cares about is in danger, or someone is about to create danger for others. Slashed from shoulder to waist, overloaded nerves in half the body, broken arms and legs, cuts and slashes, loss of sight, flung into the air from wind pressure, thrown out third-floor windows, et cetera... It appears that the closer he is to the verge of death, the more desperate and insane(ly powerful) his attacks become.
- Another protagonist, Tohno Shiki of Tsukihime, is less of a Determinator, but shares the "closer to death, closer to power" attribute.
- Gordon Freeman from Half-Life. Even when put up against extradimensional armies, the US Marine Corps, and alien-backed world governments, he still kills, kills, and never stops killing. It's possible to temporarily restrain him, but he'll eventually break out and be more than happy to continue his trail of destruction. Not bad for a mild-mannered theoretical physicist from MIT.
- On that note, both the Master Chief and the Arbiter in Halo fit this pretty well. The Chief in particular literally does not believe in losing and will continue fighting against any odds.
Cortana: Just one question: what if you miss?
Master Chief: I won't.
- Also seen in the final cutscene of Halo 3. As they're rocketing away from an unstable, about-to-explode Halo ring that will destroy Gravemind, the Ark, and their only portal home from intergalactic space, with the odds very slim of them reaching the wormhole in time to escape the blast...
Cortana: If we don't make it-
Master Chief: We'll make it.
Cortana: (softly) It's been an honor serving with you, John.
- There is a saying about the Silencers of the Crusader series: "Silencers get the job done." They might not survive, but they will get the job done.
- In Breath Of Fire 2, when Ryu is killed in battle, there is a random chance that he will shudder on to one knee as the game says “Ryu grits his teeth, gets back up.” Since he follows a path of revenge all the way up to killing God Himself, this is par for the course.
- Every single character in the Thing Thing series.
- Beat in The World Ends With You cannot be stopped by anything. Even when he's about to erased from existence, he forces himself to keep going. Actually played with at one point, when he punches through an Invisible Wall that stands in his way... and then later admits to Neku that he had the key for it, which is how the punch worked. (Neku had thought that he'd just muscled it open.)
- Gruntilda from Banjo-Kazooie. She gets pecked and shot with eggs several times, gets slammed by a high-powered jinjo around twenty times, falls off her tower making a hole in the ground, gets hit again when a huge rock slams down on the hole...and still struggles to get the boulder off. In the sequel, she's freed after having spent two years in the hole, having been reduced to a skeleton, but immediately blows up the protagonist's house.
- This is actually part of the battle structure in Earth Bound. First off, if your character has enough HP, they still stay conscious enough after a mortal blow for some quick healing. Furthermore, if their Guts stat is high enough, they may be able to shrug off even fatal blows!
- After Sparkster destroys most of its body, the final boss of Rocket Knight Adventures follows him off the exploding Pig Star and keeps fighting him as they re-enter Elhorn's atmosphere. It doesn't stop trying to kill him until it is vaporized by the heat.
- In the Wing Commander series, the Kilrathi embody this trope. In fact, it's established in Wing Commander 3 that they literally don't know the meaning of the word "surrender" (even those few who are truly well-studied in Terran languages and culture seem to have trouble grasping the concept of it).
- Link of The Legend Of Zelda will do freakin' anything to stop the Big Bad, including setting off volcanoes, turning back country-sized shrouds of twilight, killing monsters across multiple worlds as a kid, and generally making the timestream his bitch. And if he has some fairies with him...
- Link is matched only by his greatest nemesis, Ganon. Turn Ganon to stone, lock him in a void, or just SLAY him, Ganon will rise again. It just doesn't stick. Of course, it helps that the Triforce bearers have some kind of mutual reanimation clause going on. In Ocarina of Time, when Link defeats him, he coughs up blood and stops breathing. Then, after Link and Zelda escape, he somehow comes back to life and turns into Ganon. After Link kills him for the second time by stabbing him through the head, he shows up again in the very next cutscene having apparently sustained no physical injuries and is just trapped in the Sacred Realm.
- And after the next stab through the head he receives from Link, he is still able to TALK a few words, before being Taken For Granite. Most fans agree that this probably wasn't lethal either. Spirit Tracks will show if they're right about that.
- Zagi from Tales of Vesperia. After running into the protagonist Yuri in Zaphias Castle, he mistakes him for Flynn- whom he's trying to kill- and attacks him. After losing, Zagi continues trying to kill Yuri, even though he knows he's not the man he was looking for, because he was "the first man to ever make him bleed". You proceed to fight him 4 more times before the end of the game.
- K.Rool, antagonist of the Donkey Kong series. Each boss fight with him requires him to take a massive amount of punishment before going down, and in the second game he survives being eaten by sharks.
- Max Payne. Both games take place in a timespan of about 24 hours, during which Max hardly ever rests, is beaten up repeatedly, falls from serious heights, is shot and drugged on a regular basis and only really remains standing by virtue of dozens of dozens of painkillers. Of course, none of this stops him from going on a (mostly) solo Roaring Rampageof Revenge across town, until he's found and killed whoever mistakenly believed that killing a maverick cop with a deathwish was going to be easy.
Nicole Horne: What do you mean, "he's unstoppable"? You are superior to him in every way that counts. You are better trained, better equipped, and you outnumber him at least twenty-to-one. Do. Your. Job.
Vladimir Lem: What the fuck is wrong with you, Max? Why don't you just die? You hate life, you're miserable all the time, afraid to enjoy yourself even a little! Face it, you might as well be dead already. Do yourself a favor, give up!
- Isaac Clarke from Dead Space. He has fought an entire Planet Cracker vessel's worth of space zombies (and their Hive Mind) while doing more than the repairs he was originally sent for, as well as being roped into a Thirty Xanatos Pileup between The Mole and an artificial Artifact Of Doom, coming out on top of it all, while being supposedly insane, all because he wanted to find his girlfriend. And during the scene where his girlfriend turns out to have been Dead All Along, Isaac's Heroic BSOD lasts all of five seconds, then he gets back to work. And by work I mean taking out giant freaking monsters with mining tools.
- Shepard and the gang from Mass Effect. They face incredible odds to say the least, and Failure Is Not An Option. In addition, most of the alien races seem to thunk humans are like this on a species level, largely because human first contact with an alien race was a short war with the main galactic superpower which was fought to a stalemate (it ended before the Turian's resource advantage could be brought to bare).
- Prince of Persia: Warrior Within has the Dahaka, an embodiment of fate and guardian of the timeline, who hunts the Prince after he attracted its attention by his liberal use of time-altering powers that allowed him to cheat death many times over in the first game. And in the other corner the Prince himself, who is just as determined to find a way to get rid of the monster as the Dahaka is to kill him. A secondary character lampshades this:
Kaileena: I had hoped the Dahaka would kill you. I had hoped that Shahdee would keep you from the Island. I even cursed the sword I gave you, AND YET YOU DID NOT DIE!
- Jon Irenicus of Shadows of Amn has one thing on his mind: the power he was denied when the Seldarine prevented him from becoming a god. If he has to rip the souls from living men and women, temporarily surrender to the authorities just so their guard is down and he can break out, work with thieves and vampires, make pacts with sworn foes of his people, pretend to be a humble servant, slaughter his kin or destroy entire cities to attain it, he will. You have to fight him no less than three times in the game, killing him twice. And after all that, after following him to Hell and kicking his astral butt there, the ending cutscene shows his soul incarnating again and attempting to fight off a horde of gibbering demons with his bare hands.
- Another example would be Sarevok, the Big Bad from the first game. After dying there he appears to the player in Throne Of Bhaal, the final instalment, having pulled himself back into a ghostly existence through sheer willpower in order to bargain his (vital) knowledge for the piece of the player's soul he needs to resurrect himself.
Sarevok;" Ha Ha Ha! I swore I would scratch and crawl my way back into the world of the living... and I have done it!"
- Crono of Chrono Trigger is pretty determined to protect his friends. "What's that, ancient evil? You've kicked my ass without even blinking and now you think you've won? Well, I'm not done yet!" (Then he's done.)
- Magus is also a very good example. He survived in a (to him) post apocalyptic world, showering warfare on the world, all to find a way to kill the Cosmic Horror that ruined his life. His most famous quote embodies this trope:
Magus: If history is to change, let it change! If the world is to be destroyed, so be it! If my fate is to be destroyed... I must simply laugh!!
I'm coming, Lavos!
- Ayla is this trope to a T, in fact it's her whole life's philosophy and probably why there's a human race at all in the game world. Her most famous quote says it all:
Ayla: Win and live. Lose and die. Rule of life. No change rule.
- Alwan in the Geneforge series. After surviving an attack on his school, his dedication to the Shapers results in him becoming the General in charge of defeating the Rebellion, personally leading a stealth attack on the Rebellion stronghold, somehow surviving massive injuries after the attack goes awry, and becoming the leader of a faction despite ending up like this
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- F.E.A.R.'s Alma is one of these, to a point where her sheer force of will allowed her to survive six days of being drowned with no life support (with one character commenting that she "simply refused to die") and her psychic presence continued to survive well after she finally died.
- The Replica troops are another variation on this, in that they will carry out whatever mission is given to them by their psychic commanders, immediately, without question, and without stopping until it has been completed, with no regard for their own lives. They'll go as far as suicidal frontal assaults to simply wound or slow down an opponent, to the point where they'll attack an enemy in a Humongous Mecha with rifles just to distract and delay it for a couple seconds.
- Asagi from various Nippon Ichi games. Five games, five years, as many defeats by actual main characters, playing second banana to a freakin' Prinny, and all of it still has not extinguished her desire to, finally, one day, become a main character.
- Coily the snake from Q*Bert. While other enemies such as Slick, Sam, Ugg and Wrongway will eventually fall off the pyramid after trying to catch the armless orange alien, Coily will chase him all over the damn board. The only way to defeat him is by jumping on a flying disc and luring him to death by Bottomless Pit.
- The main character from Persona 3, during the real Final Battle. He's receiving an attack that performs instant 9999 damage (in a game with a 999 HP cap) and still stands up. At first he's Weak to them and gets knocked off his feet, but The Power Of Friendship and The Power Of Love keep pulling him to his feet, until they coalesce into the mother of all Spirit Bombs that he uses to seal off the enemy... albeit at the cost of his own life.
- All of the protagonists of Lunar 2 fits this to some degree, except for Lucia. In fact, one of the key points of the game is the "power of humanity" to never give up even in the face of impossible odds. The best example is when the entire party is struck down by Ghaleon... and then, through sheer willpower, all five stand back up on their own and fight him a second time.
- Ness in EarthBound. Ness is overpowered later in the game, and he can take damage equal to five times his maximum HP and still take forty seconds or so to die. In this time, he can heal himself, his entire party, and kill everything in his way. Lather, rinse, repeat. After clearing Magicant, Ness and party are pretty much immortal. See Earth Bound's entry on Combat Medic.
- The Willpower defense powerset in City Of Heroes is described as nothing supernatural, unlike Invulnerability, Regeneration, Fire/Ice/Stone Armor, and the like; the character's defenses stem entirely from the fact that even though "bullets don't bounce off of you, and if you are cut, you bleed," the character is "tough, grizzled and strong willed. It takes more than a little cut to keep you down!" Some examples of powers within this set are High Pain Tolerance, Mind Over Body, and Indomitable Will; the Eleventh Hour Superpower is called Strength of Will. Ironically, this is considered one of the better defense sets in the game, and is a favorite of Natural-origin Badass Normals.
- Takeshi in Ever17 comes down with Tief Blau, hasn't eaten in over a day, has been running around constantly when not passed out, is coughing up blood and suffers some really nasty decompression sickness right after being slammed into a wall. Then he swims through frigid, lightless water to rescue his love interest, swims back still without having rested and finally escapes. Then he's jettisoned out of a submarine to save his love interest again and sits on the ocean floor for awhile, having drowned. And then a disembodied time traveler wakes him up, at which point he swims through the bottom of the ocean back into IBF, saves Coco and still lives to the story's True End. Oh, and he was dead/frozen on the ocean floor for at least long enough for a small robotic dog to swim down and recover the disc he was carrying. Three hundred feet down.
Webcomics
- Girl Genius: Airman Higgs got Baron Wulfenbach out of a burning airship and to safety. During which, he had to deal with a bunch of monsters, an irate Captain Dupree, and a goose, breaking three out of four limbs in the process and getting an infected bite. He managed to get to a town despite his injuries, where he got shot in his last undamaged limb. He informed the local garrison of Wulfenbach's predicament then passed out.
- The Order Of The Stick's side character O-Chul, whom Big Bad Xykon is speaking of in the Quotes Wiki. Just see
for yourself .
Web Original
- Lee Phillips from KateModern, when he wants to punish Gavin for bullying him.
Lee: "Right, a message for you, Gavin: I will fight you on the beaches, I will fight you on the landing grounds, in the fields, and in the streets, and I will never surrender! Bye, Winston." Terrence is also like this in season one, relentless in his efforts to retrieve his software, and violent to anyone who gets in his way.
- P rime example in The Salvation War - a Russian officer is killed during one of the battles for hell. His response? To climb out of the pit of torment he was thrown into upon dying, join up with La Resistance, and rejoin his original unit mere hours after he had died.
- Chuck Norris Facts presents Chuck Norris as like this.
Western Animation
- Robin, especially in situations where he takes a Batman-esque Badass Normal Leader role on a team; for instance, Teen Titans:
Starfire: They are too numerous to fight! What shall we do? Robin: Fight anyway!
- Prince Zuko from Avatar The Last Airbender. Even Sokka, one of his enemies, remarks, "If we know anything, it's that Zuko never gives up." This often gives him a short-sightedness leading to What Were You Thinking Moments with his uncle. Zuko even gives an entire pep talk on the subject in "The Boiling Rock." He put it best earlier:
Zuko: My father says [Azula] was Born Lucky. He says I was lucky to be born. I don't need luck though, I don't want it. I've always had to struggle and fight and that's made me strong. It's made me who I am.
- Brock Samson from The Venture Brothers, being the Bad Ass that he is. The Monarch on the evil side, at least as far as his fixation on Dr. Venture's ultimate downfall.
- Optimus Prime of Transformers is this trope, with Megatron coming in a close second.
- Dinobot from Beast Wars almost never willingly runs from a fight. This reaches its climax in 'Code of Hero', when his insistence on stopping the Predacons from destroying the early humans costs him his life. Depth Charge also fits this trope, as his persistence to find and destroy Rampage leads to him putting that mission above all else, including stopping Megatron from destroying the Autobots and changing the universe as we know it. Really, Depth Charge needs to get his priorities straight.
- By the end of it, he was on board to stop Megatron. Unfortunately, at that time, Rampage was sent out to stop him.
- In Cybertron, Starscream was so much of a Determinator that he managed to use Heroic Resolve in a way that's usually reserved for... well, the heroic. At one point, he took on the combined might of the entire Autobot team to get the Mac Guffin, dragging himself onward no matter how much damage he took, and taking the victory in the end with one well-timed dirty trick (hey, he is Starscream.)
- Actually, this is a pretty regular thing for Starscream. In Transformers Generation One he tried to take over the Decepticons at every possibile occasion—even after he died and came back as a ghost.
- And in Transformers Animated Starscream kept trying to kill Megatron after dying normally, becoming effectively immortal, dying many times, becoming a head, and then being killed again.
- Dib of Invader Zim is a Determinator well past the point of insanity, considering Failure Is The Only Option and he's surrounded by Bats. Zim is a similar case, continuing his "mission" even after being exiled due to his entire species loathing his very existence, although there's disagreement as to whether he merely ignores their scorn or he really is that stupid.
- Riley from The Boondocks. He's not a very good fighter, but he's able to take a lot of punishment before going down. Likewise, he doesn't know when to shut up whenever he's making fun of someone.
- In the season finale of Justice League Unlimited, with no time to come up with a better plan, Batman keeps on coming after Brainiac-Darkseid, relentless even though the other tosses him away casually. After the last such attempt, irritation is evident.
Brainiac-Darkseid: You still try to fight? *tosses him thirty feet* Can't you see that it's hopeless?
Superman: *gives him a flying punch, then a right hook, and pins Brainiac-Darkseid against the wall by the throat, one-handed* That man won't quit as long as he can still draw breath. None of my teammates will.
- How about Marlin from Finding Nemo? Not exactly a Badass but VERY persistent.
- Considering the fact he stayed locked up in prison for twenty years and, upon escaping, was just as intent on becoming the Dragon Warrior as ever, I'd say Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda qualifies.
- As does Po himself. Even when Shifu does his best to make Po quit, Po never does. While Po is in the middle of rolling down the mountain due to a kick from Shifu, the other student have the following conversation about it.
Tigress: If he's smart, he won't come back up those stairs.
Monkey: But he will.
Snake: He's not going to quit, is he?
- Darla Dimple from Cats Don't Dance, while not physically intimidating, is still a Badass Lolita who refuses to allow anyone to interfere with her films, to the point of constructing elaborate plans to discredit them, and (almost) suicidal attacks on their shows.
Darla: I didn't get where I am today By letting myself get pushed around! And no man nor beast or kittycat or doggy Is goin' to drag me down!"''
Real Life
- Cole Younger, as part of the James-Younger gang, attempted to rob the bank in Northfield, Minnesota. During the robbery, Younger was shot in his arms, legs, and chest a total of eleven times before being captured. He died on March 21, 1916, forty years after being perforated like a block of Swiss Cheese.
- Squirrels that raid birdfeeders. Capsaicin powder in the seed, slinkies on the poles, greased poles, and a hundred other ploys will not keep these Magnificent Bastards from the birdseed for long. It gets really aggravating (although some people derive amusement from the antics). People who want the birds to have a chance have produced the aforementioned contrivances and more. Sorry, squirrel, this feeder's inaccessib- Oh Crap. Maybe this will work.
- Pick ANY African-American who's broken the color barrier in any field, be it business, the military, sports, whatever. We're talking real men and women who've taken abuse that would reduce whole platoons of Marines to tears. Case in point, the Navy's First Black Master Diver Carl Brasher, as portrayed in Men Of Honor. Or there's the famous Malcolm X.
- Nichelle Nichols who played Lt. Uhura in Star Trek. What's the big deal about her you ask?? During her first season on the show, the executives refused to make her a regular cast member, so she was being paid a fifteenth of what everyone else was making. One executive told Gene Roddenberry that he refused to film a scene where Uhura was shown in command of the Enterprise. Oh yeah, and her fan mail was kept from her. It took Martin Luther King himself to convince her to press on.
- In sport, Helio Gracie was an incredible Determinator. One of the founders of Brazilian Jujitsu, in 1955 he had two incredible matches that very much earn his title here. In the first, against Masahiko Kimura, he had two of the bones in his arm broken, and would have kept going, if not for his brother throwing in the towel. In the second, against Valdemar Santana, he fought for 3 hours and 42 minutes, only losing when he collapsed from exhaustion. The second was the longest fight in Mixed Martial Arts history.
- Perhaps only rivalled by Kazushi Sakuraba's epic 90-minute fight with Helio's son, Royce Gracie in the PRIDE FC. Sakuraba is the Determinator here, as shortly after that fight he showed up for the next one, against the 50 lbs heavier, much better rested, and feared striker Igor Vovchanchyn (pretty much his worst nightmare if you would choose one)and went the distance for another 20 minutes - fighting well enough for the match to be considered a draw. His corner decided to throw in the towel at this point before the extra round was on, just as Royce's corner had done earlier.
- Not to be outdone (in what is now considered a classic rivalry), a few months later another Gracie, Renzo, faced off with Sakuraba and refused to submit to an armlock to the point where his elbow was broken - and beyond, until the referee had to stop the match because of the injury. Renzo paid tribute to his opponent after the fight.
- In the quarterfinals of the 2009 Big East Championship Tournament, Syracuse beat Connecticut 127-117 in 6 overtimes, and Jonny Flynn of Syracuse played 67 out of a possible 70 minutes.
The next day That evening, Syracuse played West Virginia in the semifinals, and again needed overtime to pull off a win—and Flynn didn't spend one second on the bench. Is this guy even human? Despite Syracuse losing to Louisville in the finals, Flynn was named the tournament MVP. Surprisingly, he was the fourth MVP to come from a losing team. There were others?
- William Wilberforce was determined to see slavery abolished and the character of the British people reformed. And he never faltered, though it took his whole life; he was in the final stages of a terminal illness when Parliament finally voted to outlaw slavery.
- The British Army (which included their Imperial allies, primarily Canadians and Australians) in World War One: Through fire and steel, despite failure after failure to achieve its stated aims, it kept on coming back for more; in the process grinding down the fine edge of the German Army. After the German March 1918 offensive, at which the British Army came within an ace of being scattered and broken, it came back and for the last 100 days of the war, it handed Germany its arse on a plate day after day. The culmination of this Crowning Moment of Awesome was to cut straight through the Hindenburg Line in three days, against defences which made the German positions on the Somme in 1916 look like a joke (that battle lasted four months). That was when the Germans started talking seriously about peace. These days are actually named "Canada's Hundred Days". [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
's_Hundred_Days Look it up.]] Canadian soldiers also have gone trough this during World War 2. And Korea.
- The Germans deserve their moment too, possibly even more so, for taking on the British, French and Russians and holding them all to a scoreless draw (until the advent of the US made the war unwinnable for them). But few people today remember what the British army actually achieved.
- Charles de Gaulle.
- Why?
- Because he was an officier of an army which had completely collapsed, because he did see the blitzkrieg comming and tried to warn french officials and failed to get their attention, because half his country was occupied while the other half was under the control of a puppet state. Because he was raised to believe that the army was some sort of moral elite and saw the role model for the officiers of his generation (Petain) smugly commiting crimes of high-treason, because half the resistance was communist and half of the remaining resistance did not trust him, because Churchill and Roosevelt never really took him seriously: he did start with a lot of handicaps, yet still managed to organize the resistance, to recreate from nearly nothing the French army hundreds of thousands of men strong and make sure that France, which was suppose to know a fate similar to Austria, was considered to be one of the victors.
- Winston Churchill. "We will fight on the hills, we will fight in the streets ... we shall never surrender." See also: the Blitz.
- Joe Simpson, mountaineer and author of the book (and later award-winning documentary film) Touching The Void. After completing an ascent of the west face of Siula Grande in Peru, reaching the 6,344 metre peak, he fell during the descent, his calf bone splitting his knee. Working together with his climbing partner, Simon Yates, they descended - until Simpson fell again, ending up hanging over a crevasse with no way to climb up or anchor himself - and with his body weight slowly pulling Yates after him. After a long time, Yates made the only possible decision - to cut the rope. Simpson, close to hypothermia by this point, fell again and ended up inside the crevasse, unable to climb back out the way he'd fallen; so he climbed down into the crevasse instead, and found a way back out onto the mountain. Then, with no food, water, or painkillers, he worked his way down the mountain - including an unroped crossing of a glacier - over three and a half days, finally arriving back at his Base Camp the night before Yates was planning to leave. He lost a third of his body weight during the ordeal, and he needed multiple operations before he could walk again. Then he started climbing again, and - later - broke his other leg while climbing in the Himalayas. He's now an author and motivational speaker.
- Mountain man Hugh Glass was mauled by a bear and left for dead by his companions. He awoke 200 miles from civilization, with a broken leg, exposed ribs, festering wounds, and no food, water, or weapons. Glass set his leg, wrapped himself in his death shroud, and began trekking through hostile Native American territory. He survived on berries, roots, and carrion, and stove off infection with maggots. After six weeks, he reached the Cheyenne River, fashioned a raft, and floated to civilization. After a long recuperation, he hunted down his two former companions, but chose to spare both of them. He did, however, take his rifle back.
- Another mountain climber, Aron Ralston
, was forced to amputate his own arm with a cheap, dull multi-tool after a rock fell on it and trapped him for five days without food and water. After that he had to rappel down a 65-foot wall and walk for miles until he found help.
- Chris Ryan (pseudonym), the SAS member that during the First Gulf War walked over 200 miles in the Iraqi desert over 8 days with no supplies, evaded detection and capture, survived the weather and even drinking water contaminated with nuclear waste in what is by far "the longest escape and evasion" by any soldier to date.
- Sarah Bernhardt
was the original modern theatre Large Ham, even taking on Large Ham male roles. Nothing could stop her - even being one-legged with almost no mobility could stop her from being an acclaimed actress.
- Rome in the Second Punic War. Every time Hannibal wiped out a Roman army the Romans just shrugged their shoulders and were in the field next year with another one because They Had Reserves. At the end it was the Romans who won.
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