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I remember that movie from my young years. It was strange. To say the least.

As for elsewise, I have three things to say. One, has The Nail's interpretation of The Joker been discussed, or are his crimes listed on his main entry? Two, have we all agreed that Minerva Liddel is a solid keep? Lastly, Colonel Muska's listed twice on Anime & Manga, but on different pages. That should be rectified.

edited 25th Jan '15 3:35:32 AM by Scraggle

So Satan has five votes to no . Now, I'll wait for say...two or three more votes, but for now he's the entry I've written out for him.

• Saints Row: In a series filled to the brim with gangsters, mass murderers, and corruption, who better to be an example of pure evil than Satan himself ? In Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell, opens with the Boss being dragged into Hell where Satan intends to make them marry his daughter Jezzabell. In his backstory, following his fall from grace, he twisted what was once a timeout zone in the afterlife into what it is today and takes pride in the suffering of souls. When God gave him the Black Cathedral to repent, he willingly rejects the offer. He doesn't care for his own daughter, making it clear he see's her as a possession and even threatens to kill her during his first standoff with Johnny Gat. He makes it clear he see's his followers as expendable, and even praises Johnny for his brutality killing them. He forcibly makes a deal with Johnny to release the Boss if Johnny takes their place. His ultimate goal was to make the Boss or Johnny his general to lead Hells army to invade Heaven so that he can get his revenge on God.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

I just requested Muska be fixed.

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Satan

I'll go and cut the Even Evil Has Loved Ones and Alas, Poor Villain misuses then.

@ bobg: Actually, I think I'm leaning down on Warden as well at this point. While briefly seen, the fact that he doesn't talk after he wakes up in the hospital makes it damn near impossible to figure out if he wasn't just driven insane somehow. On top of the child murders being offscreen and the heinous standard in slasher movies being pretty damn high, I really don't see what more can be said about him. And just how selfish is his killing of the other miners portrayed when the air is already running out? Extenuating circumstances can lessen the impact of that, like with Xavier (Saw), Quentin (Cube), and Torrence (The Day of the Triffids).

Here's a new write-up for the third Millennium villain, listed here with the other two:

• Millennium: Frank Black has faced many killers and other villains. These are the absolute worst.
  • From season 1's "522666", Raymond Dees is a Mad Bomber who derives sexual pleasure from the numerous deaths he causes. He initially blows up a crowded bar while watching the scene from afar. He later plants bombs in an office building, killing dozens more, and then participates in the rescue of the wounded simply so he can be hailed as a hero by the community. When Frank Black eventually discovers his true identity, Dees realizes that his game is up and arranges to be killed by the Feds so he can become notorious as a criminal instead, but not before taunting Frank with the possibility that he's rigged Frank's car to explode.
  • From season 1's "Maranatha", Yaponchik (aka Sergei Stepanovich, real name unknown) is a mass murderer who sees himself as an Antichrist figure whose mission it is to spread evil in the world. Taking inspiration from the Book of Revelation, he causes the Chernobyl disaster to kill many people and poison the land. A decade later in the United States, he kills a police officer and several people who tried to appease him, to re-establish his status as The Dreaded to the Russian community. He kills one of the two Russian officers who had been tracking him ever since Chernobyl by shooting him in public. He later goes on a killing spree in a bathhouse, before using religious fear to convince his nemesis Surova to help him escape so that he can continue his rampage elsewhere.
  • From season 2's "The Mikado", Avatar is a serial killer who terrorized the streets of San Francisco in the 1980s, claiming nineteen victims before eluding the authorities. He eventually returns to broadcast his latest murders over the internet, kidnapping several women and presenting them on a website with a counter indicating the time until their deaths. He leads the cops to a remote trailer, planting deadly boobytraps after killing the previous occupant. When Frank Black finds Avatar's new lair, he tries to kill Black as well before disguising his latest victim as himself in the hopes that Black will shoot her by mistake. Avatar never speaks, but his huge body count and his sadistic games make him one of the show's most heinous villains.

And a new write-up for Muriel.

• Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters: Muriel the Grand Black Witch is the leader of the Black Witches and the vilest one in existence. She tries to kill the Grand White Witch (Hansel and Gretel's mother) by using her heart in a ritual sacrifice to make evil witches impervious to sunlight, only to find that she was already burned at the stake by a human mob. Years later she and her two Co-Dragons kidnap twelve children to use them in a Human Sacrifice, after already boiling one down for a magic brew. She kills four trackers who were hired to rescue the children by letting their dogs maul most of them to death, and one by putting a curse on him that forces the man to eat maggots before exploding when he returns to Augsburg. She sets parts of the town on fire to kill the townsfolk as a distraction, and forces a guard to shoot himself with his own gun. She later kidnaps Gretel to cut out her heart as part of the new sacrifice. When this fails, she takes Hansel and Gretel back to the Gingerbread House where they killed their first witch before she murders the good witch Mina, whom Hansel fell in love with.

And a final one that's a rewrite for Arliss Loveless, he of the Steampunk Spider Tank.

• Wild Wild West: Arliss Loveless is a former Confederate slaveholder and a technology expert with no allegiance to anyone but himself. He kidnaps a group of scientists to build new weapons of war for him, decapitating one of them for trying to warn the President. He slaughters General McGrath's men in front of him with a tank prototype as punishment for surrendering to the North during the Civil War and to use the General's men as target practice. He kills the General himself when the latter demands that Loveless stop the massacre. He plans to destroy the United States unless the President surrenders to his new alliance, and firebombs a random frontier town to prove his point. He sells out the former Confederacy that he fought for when he presents his plan to carve up the whole country amongst himself and a collection of foreign powers. It's revealed that he previously used his tank to wipe out a settlement of free slaves, including Jim West's family, also for target practice.

edited 25th Jan '15 8:58:03 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

Actually, thinking about Quentin from Cube more (who I've mentioned in passing at least once), I think he might merit a discussion at least.

Cube is a Canadian horror film about a giant mechanical structure comprised of booby-trapped rooms, in which character mysteriously find themselves and are forced to navigate out of the maze. Quentin initially presents himself as an upstanding cop who takes charge to help the 6-person group out of there. Throughout the movie he becomes increasingly hostile, revealing that he has a serious dark side to him. He eventually kills Holloway, a woman whom he quarelled with, by letting her fall to her death and then lying to the group about it. He later takes the teenager Leaven with him with intent to rape her, but is stopped by the rest of the group. He viciously beats Worth before they try to get rid of him, only for him to reappear when they've found the exit and stabs both Leaven and Worth to death before moving on Kazan, the mentally retarded person.

When it comes to situations where a character has to do heinous things to survive a life or death situation, I'm inclined to give leeway for that due to survival instinct being pretty innate in humans. Quentin takes it a step further than that; he murders Holloway not because there's No Party Like a Donner Party or something like that, but simply because she annoyed him. His attempted rape of Leaven goes even further beyond the line, and while his rampage at the end was after they tried to leave him for dead, I don't think he should be given a pass on that since that was specifically for his earlier crimes. I'm not quite sure how much his actions can be attributed to the stress he's under, but he goes much further with it than similar scumbags like Xavier (who didn't really start killing people to save himself until the last minute).

edited 25th Jan '15 6:59:24 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

• Loveless looks good. Just wrap a Big Bad around his name and make it "during the Civil War...".
• Muriel looks good.
• Millennium looks good. Just make body count two words and make it sadistic.

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• Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter: Adam, the vampire from whom all other vampires came and the ruler of all vampires in America, is a 5,000 year old monster who makes his home in the American South. Having created a system where the vampires stay secret while draining the innocent, Adam nourishes his "family" by using slaves sent to the plantation to be drained and torn apart for their blood. When he hears of young Abraham Lincoln's abilities, Adam sacrifices multiple vampires to test Lincoln's abilities and makes Lincoln an offer to become Adam's personal hunter, starting with Henry Sturges, Lincoln's Mentor, who Adam turned into a vampire after murdering his fiancee. Adam later commits his forces to the Civil War, slaughtering Union soldiers en masse. To punish Lincoln for his resistance, Adam sends his sister and enforcer Vadoma to murder Lincoln's youngest child.
• Running Blind: The killer turns out to be FBI Profiler Julia Lamarr, who uses her position to cover up her crimes. The killer murders at least four women, to hide the true target. The true target is Lamarr’s stepsister, who was chosen to receive Julia’s father’s inheritance, and was even going to share it with Lamarr. A cold-blooded Diabolical Mastermind, the killer only cares about itself, and revels in the killer’s intelligence throughout the process. What’s truly horrifying is the method of murder: a skilled hypnotist, the killer hypnotizes the victims to swallow their own tongues, leaving them to suffocate slowly to death and leaving no evidence. The killer is in the process of murdering another victim when stopped by Reacher, who breaks her neck with a single punch.
• Call of Duty: Black Ops: General Nikita Dragovich is a sociopath who creates the "numbers" program that brainwashes captive American soldiers into sleeper agents to kill their own people. Dragovich first demonstrated his untrustworthy and callous nature at Stalingrad, when he deserted his own men and left them to be butchered by the German forces. After the war, Dragovich would lead a project to recover the biochemical Nova 6 weapon. To test its effectiveness, Dragovich and his right-hand-man Colonel Lev Krevchenko used it on Russian soldiers. Dragovich would later become one of the Soviet Union's most powerful members, where he would capture Alex Mason and brainwash him into becoming a presidential assassin. Even worse, Dragovich planned to use his sleeper agents to release Nova 6 on the whole of the United States.
• Saints Row: Gat Out of Hell: In a series filled to the brim with gangsters, mass murderers, and corruption, Satan himself manages to stand above all the rest. The game opens with The Boss being dragged into Hell where Satan intends to make them marry his daughter Jezebe. In his backstory, following his fall from grace, he twisted Hell, which was once a timeout zone in the afterlife, into what it is today, taking pride in the suffering of souls. When God gave him the Black Cathedral to repent, he willingly rejects the offer. He doesn't care for his own daughter, making it clear he sees her as a possession and even threatens to kill her during his first standoff with Johnny Gat. He makes it clear he sees his followers as expendable, and even praises Johnny for his brutality killing them. He forcibly makes a deal with Johnny to release the Boss if Johnny takes their place. His ultimate goal was to make the Boss or Johnny his general to lead Hell’s army to invade Heaven so that he can get his revenge on God.

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I'll submit the above tomorrow morning.

edited 25th Jan '15 9:07:06 AM by ACW

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Quentin

A couple things about Lamarr.

1. How about you mention the part where her stepsister actually planned to share the inheritance with her? Emphasize Lamarr's It's All About Me quality.

2. Her plan is not to make the murders look random—it's actually to fabricate a profile of serial killer who looks for a specific quality in their victims.

3. Everybody's referred by their last names in Jack Reacher.

4. "the killer selfish only cares about itself," This sentence doesn't make sense.

Otherwise it seems satisfactory.

edited 25th Jan '15 9:03:03 AM by forsetipurge

Okay, as promised an effort-post on the Butcher.

Who is he and what does he do?

American Sniper is about Chris Kyle, a veteran of the Iraq War. Whether he was a good guy in Real Life and whether Iraq War was a just war is IRRELEVANT. Talking about the movie. When Chris and other soldiers ambush a home of an Iraqi family, they ask them for some information and they talk about the Butcher. The father reveals the Butcher's existence by showing the soldiers his wife's severed arm. In the Buther's very first appearance, he tortures an Iraqi little boy to death with a power drill starting with legs and later on the head, right in front of his crying parents. In the later part of the movie, the soldiers break into the Butcher's chamber to find lots of body parts as decorations and trophies. The soldiers catch him and he starts escaping only to be killed.

Heinous by the standards of the story?

Absolutely. Chris Kyle and the rest of the soldiers shoot terrorists only but in one scene, a mother and a son are seen trying to throw a grenade at the soldiers. Chris shoots the boy but he is clearly sad about having to do it, plus it only one single shot not a torturous power drill. As for the Iraqi terrorists? Well, they barely do anything other than trying to shoot US soldiers. I would say the Butcher stands out, especially that he is the only one on-screen that targets his own people.

Redeeming Qualities?

Not really. US soldiers might be on his land, but his major enjoyment seems to be from killing his own people and also, he and other terrorists are implied to be a reason US soldiers are in Iraq in the first place (let's not discuss the war in Real Life please!).

Conclusion

I think that ultimately, the Butcher stands out in comparison to other terrorists.

edited 25th Jan '15 9:02:18 AM by holders

Try it now.
Kills a little boy with a power drill???

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There was also a dead man chained up and hanging from the ceiling who looked like he had been tortured in the Butcher's chamber.

Anyway, for him. He does quite a lot as a minor character.

It's all right.

You want to hold a vote on the Duncan clan now?

Sure. Then Edward Lane.

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The Duncan clan (father, uncle, and son), the Big Bad of Worth Dying For, who runs a rural Nebraskan farmer town like a group of tinpot dictators straight out of Ruritania.

Officially, they run a trucking business whose service they force upon every family in town. Anyone who refuses—or disagrees with the Duncans about anything, for that matter—would find themselves beaten up and their properties thrashed out by a gang of ex-Huskers under the Duncan's payroll.

Unofficially, they smuggle children from Asia to the heartland United States for sex trafficking.

Personally, all of them are pedophiles who murder every children they've grown bored with and make a shrine and photographic memento of every corpse (there are about 60 in all, 2 or 3 every year). Even Reacher, a former MP who's seen all kinds of corpses himself, explicitly admits he regrets having taken a look at the barn where the Duncan holds those shrines.

Oh, and they beat their wives, too.

All these has been happening for 25 years non-stop until Reacher stumbled upon this town.

edited 25th Jan '15 10:29:22 AM by forsetipurge

I made a rewrite for Leigh Emerson from American Horror Story: Asylum with more information. If people think it's better than the current one, I can add it to the sandbox page I made:

• Leigh Emerson is perhaps the most vicious Serial Killer at Briarcliff. Originally put in prison as a young man for stealing a loaf of bread, Emerson was raped by several inmates, which twisted him into a maniac. He later murders several families on Christmas, children included, while dressed as Santa Claus. As an inmate at Briarcliff, he attacks an orderly during a Christmas photoshoot, which results in a year-long stay in solitary confinement for him as well as a banning of further Christmas celebrations. When the Devil frees him from this solitary confinement, he is eager to resume his killing spree and his first act is to attack Sister Jude with beating canes and attempt to rape her. Though she manages to non-fatally stab him, he still successfully pins the blame on her. Claiming to want redemption, he convinces Monsignor Howard to baptize him. Afterward, he dunks Howard's head in the tank in an attempt to drown him and nails him to a cross in place of Jesus before escaping from Briarcliff and murdering at least seven nuns. Seeing as how the series makes no mention of him being recaptured or killed, it can be assumed that he remains at large.

Wow, the serial child killing and raping alone would be enough IMO (do we actually see/read any of this?).
Much better. I'll assume him getting raped isn't enough of a disqualifier?

edited 25th Jan '15 10:31:11 AM by ACW

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Are we allowed to copy+paste the actual text from the book?

As long as it's not too long, I think it's been done before.

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The following is an excerpt of Lee Child's Worth Dying For:

Eventually Dorothy Coe (mother of one of the Duncans' victims) asked, ‘How many are in there?’

Reacher said, ‘About sixty.’

‘Oh my God.’

‘Two or three a year, probably,’ Reacher said. ‘They got a taste for it. An addiction.'

‘Who were they all?’

‘Asian girls, I think.’

‘You can tell that from their bones?’

‘The last one isn’t bones yet.’

‘Where were they all from?’

‘From immigrant families, probably. Illegals, almost certainly, smuggled in, for the sex trade. That’s what the Duncans were doing. That’s how they were making their money.’

‘Were they all young?’

‘About eight years old.’

‘Are they buried?’

Reacher said, ‘No.’

‘They’re just dumped in there?’

‘Not dumped,’ Reacher said. ‘They’re displayed. It’s like a shrine.’

There was a long, long pause.

‘I should look.’

‘Don’t.’

‘Why not?’

‘There are photographs. Like a record. Like mementos. In silver frames.’

‘I should look.’

‘You’ll regret it. All your life. You’ll wish you hadn’t.’

Note: I double-spaced it so you can read it better.

edited 25th Jan '15 10:43:33 AM by forsetipurge

Can allowing someone a final request disqualify a character? I ask because I looked into Shark Night, and Sabin allows Ni one by offering to play him his favorite music before feeding him to sharks.

jjj

@ACW I wouldn't say getting raped disqualifies Emerson. Several other characters (including the main protagonist) are raped as well, and none of them become vicious serial killers. Plus, there's no mention of Emerson going after the people who raped him, and it's only mentioned once as a quick throwaway line (and not even by Emerson himself) and then never again.

I assume the Duncan clan don't care for eachother in a redeeming way like The Cousins and since a trio is a small enough group to qualify, I'm going fire a

Oh. Well four then. The point still stands.

edited 25th Jan '15 10:57:04 AM by Beast

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

Whoops, there are actually four Duncans: Jacob (father), Jasper and Jonas (uncles), and Seth (son). But yes, all of them are in the business.

That's a good question.
Good enough, especially if it's a quick throwaway line.
Man, that seems somewhat Offscreen Villainy, but it seems they do enough onscreen . Are any of them worse than the others. Because 4 is dangerously close to a group. BTW, Jacob, Jasper, Jonas, Seth?

edited 25th Jan '15 11:08:27 AM by ACW

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